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APPS2SD Confusion.

From the recovery image to get APPS2SD by simply running the format the SD using Ext2+Swap+fat32 right?
I have a class 6 card. How do I know if this actually works? I formatted and my internals space did not change?
Are there major benefits of doing APPS2SD?

Yes, first format the SD card.
To see if its working,
Check your Settings -> SD card & phone storage -> Internal phone storage. Make note of what it is at. Install some apps, maybe even try reinstalling some of the apps on your phone. Then, check the internal storage again and see if you have some more space.
As for the benefits, it just frees up your internal memory on your phone. I don't think it makes your phone faster or anything.

The question I have about APPS2SD is this. How come when I use it my internal memory drops after I install apps. I have not used it since I had to go back to the original Sprint ROM to do the update and installing the same apps I had before, my internal memory was about the same as it was when I used APPS2SD. I used the recovery screen to format to Fat32-Ext2-Swap and files were on the sd card when I checked, but my internal memory still drops everytime I install something. What is the real benifit of this if the internal memory drops anyway. I am real confused about this and have not decided if it is worth using since I have read it can damage your memory card. Can someone with knowledge of how this works please explain it.
Thx for all the great Info found here.

AppsToSD only puts the apps themselves on the SD. The internal memory is still used by the boot-cache, dalvik-cache, and actual app data like settings, saved games, cache, etc.

Must it be ext3?
What if i have ext2?

rvenes said:
Must it be ext3?
What if i have ext2?
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If youre using one of the newer recovery images there should be an option to upgrade ext2 to ext3
as for the difference...im not to sure exactly

Tipharet said:
How do I know if this actually works? I formatted and my internals space did not change
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nelson8403 said:
Just because the apps are installed to the SD card doesn't mean they don't store things on the phone.. cache is stored on the phones, theres a /data/data folder on the phone that the apps populate as well, it just doesn't take AS MUCH space on your phone as a non appstosd
also to make sure your apps are working go into your adb shell, type in
Code:
cd /data/app
pwd
cd /data/app-private
pwd
What this will do is go to your /data/app folder and because with appstosd that is a symbolic link to /system/sd/app the PWD (present working directory) will display /system/sd/app, if PWD shows /data/app you are not running appstosd
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rvenes said:
Must it be ext3?
What if i have ext2?
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As far as I know it works just fine on ext2.
As far as the difference, the nutshell version is that ext3 is pretty much just ext2 with journaling hacked in. If you don't know that that means, do a google search on "journaling file system".
There should be no downside whatsoever to switching to ext3. It can still be read from and written to by anything that can use ext2, and it adds more robust error recovery.
Caveats: I'm not sure how well, or if, that error recovery works on flash memory devices. My expertise is working with large servers that use hard disks. I also don't know if there are tools in our android builds that take advantage of the benefits that ext3 provides.
Having said that, I'm still confident that choosing to upgrade to ext3 offers NO downside, and while there might also be no upside, there is also the potential for a huge upside.
My advice: Do it.

[Q] Galaxy 3 Apps2SD. Data still being saved on the internal memory..

Hey everyone.
I installed a leaked version of Froyo on my Galaxy 3 I5800. I'm using the hack to always install the apps on the memory card. However, only the main apks of the apps are being stored on the memory card. Any application data is still being stored on the internal memory. For example, installing Angry Birds takes 10 MB on the memory card, but also takes about 2 MB on the internal phone memory..
Apps2SD is a huge improvement, but still, if the data's being stored on the internal memory, I'm gonna run out of space some time or the other.
Is there a hack or something to make the phone keep even the data on the memory card? I've heard about Apps2Ext but not sure if that can be installed on my phone and whether it stores the app data on the EXT partition too.
Any ideas?

Android documentation says that even when app. is installed on SD card,
"The .apk file is saved on the external storage, but all private user data, databases, optimized .dex files, and extracted native code are saved on the internal device memory."

TekkenLaw said:
Android documentation says that even when app. is installed on SD card,
"The .apk file is saved on the external storage, but all private user data, databases, optimized .dex files, and extracted native code are saved on the internal device memory."
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May be that's better because program can run faster.. anyway you can solve it by creating of ext2 partition on your SD card and virtualy enlarge internal storage.
But I haven't found any manual how to do it on i5800.

Are there ext2 capabilities in the i5800's Froyo? I'm asking because 2.1 lacks them, much to my dismay. A Linuxish device with a closed file system (rfs) with no tools available (and FAT), erm...

addicted2088 said:
Hey everyone.
I installed a leaked version of Froyo on my Galaxy 3 I5800. I'm using the hack to always install the apps on the memory card. However, only the main apks of the apps are being stored on the memory card. Any application data is still being stored on the internal memory. For example, installing Angry Birds takes 10 MB on the memory card, but also takes about 2 MB on the internal phone memory..
Apps2SD is a huge improvement, but still, if the data's being stored on the internal memory, I'm gonna run out of space some time or the other.
Is there a hack or something to make the phone keep even the data on the memory card? I've heard about Apps2Ext but not sure if that can be installed on my phone and whether it stores the app data on the EXT partition too.
Any ideas?
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install move to SD first then choose the option Exteral SD.Anything you install from now on will be installed to the SDCARD but aware the widgets and programs that require root doesn't work well in the SDCARD together with home replacement program.Unless of course the app itself support installing to SD.

banahaw said:
install move to SD first then choose the option Exteral SD.Anything you install from now on will be installed to the SDCARD but aware the widgets and programs that require root doesn't work well in the SDCARD together with home replacement program.Unless of course the app itself support installing to SD.
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this is what he did. But not everything will be saved to SD. This is the what he says.

nastyba said:
this is what he did. But not everything will be saved to SD. This is the what he says.
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Yeah, the APK file, that is the main package, is installed on the SD card. However, all the data that the application actually saves are usually on the internal device memory.
I have enabled Move to SD and set the install path to external, but it will still save application data on the phone memory. That is how Android is designed to work

banahaw said:
install move to SD first then choose the option Exteral SD.Anything you install from now on will be installed to the SDCARD but aware the widgets and programs that require root doesn't work well in the SDCARD together with home replacement program.Unless of course the app itself support installing to SD.
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Oh yes, I'm aware of all this. But still wanted to mention the point that the internal memory will always get used..

addicted2088 said:
Oh yes, I'm aware of all this. But still wanted to mention the point that the internal memory will always get used..
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you can extend your internal storage with your SD card, but you need to create ext2 partition on your SD card first and then <i>and this is the problem</i> explain to your i5800 to use this partion on SD card.
I've red many articles about it on HTC / SE phones where this method work. They say that the ROM must be customized, which haven't been done yet with our phone. The problem is, that the good programmers have Desire / or SGS and they do not care about the i5800

nastyba said:
you can extend your internal storage with your SD card, but you need to create ext2 partition on your SD card first
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And this is where the problem starts: The i5800 cannot handle ext2, at least not with its stock roms. You're stuck with an exotic proprietary file system (rfs) for which no tools are available.

mizch said:
And this is where the problem starts: The i5800 cannot handle ext2, at least not with its stock roms. You're stuck with an exotic proprietary file system (rfs) for which no tools are available.
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may be one day there will be a custom rom which will allows it

nastyba said:
may be one day there will be a custom rom which will allows it
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mizch said:
And this is where the problem starts: The i5800 cannot handle ext2, at least not with its stock roms. You're stuck with an exotic proprietary file system (rfs) for which no tools are available.
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Is this problem allready solved?
Because my bro has problems with the little internal space.

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Is this problem allready solved?
Because my bro has problems with the little internal space.
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Yes. For that you need to first flash a fugumod kernel. Then you can use Kyrillos' apptosd script from here. You need to use apptosd script v3 if you want your /data/data to be transferred to your SD. But script v3 works good only with class 6 SD card or higher.
Oh yes. You need to convert your data partition to ext4 and create an ext4 partition in SD card also.

ok formating...
seems that i have here a class 4 sd card 8gb... damn it!

I am currently on Kyrillos 6.1. If i create an EXT4 partition in my SD card, via CWM recovery, how can i move the apps which are already installed in my phone memory to that partition? Like if i use Titanium backup, then would moving the apps would go to FAT partition or the newly created EXT4 partition?

mrn123 said:
I am currently on Kyrillos 6.1. If i create an EXT4 partition in my SD card, via CWM recovery, how can i move the apps which are already installed in my phone memory to that partition? Like if i use Titanium backup, then would moving the apps would go to FAT partition or the newly created EXT4 partition?
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First backup your apps using titanuim backup. It will get backed up in SD card. Then copy the backed up apps and the rest of the stuff in your SD card to your PC. Then goto recovery, advanced, partition SD card. Create the required partitions. All data in SD card will be erased. Then in recovery only, wipe data. Then reboot. After that all the apps which you install will goto the ext partition that you created.

Thanks Dhiren!!! I was just wondering whether there was any way to directly move the apps to the EXT4 partition which are already installed on phone memory..I shall try out as you said...

S2E issues

I am trying to salvage my internal memory on my Aria with S2E. I am able to select the "Download cache" checkbox, but "Applications", "Private apps", and "Dalvik cache" are all greyed out (can't select them).
I am really only worried about moving Dalvik to my SD card, but have no idea why it is greyed out.
When I load S2E, I get the following message "S2E has been granted superuser permissions", so I think it isn't a permissions issue.
Any thoughts?

Do you gave the latest version of s2e? Because the latest update fixed that for me. Also make sure you have a big enough ext3 partion. I'm running a 200mb ext3 partion and have tons of space now. I even have dalvik on the partion to.
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Ah...that must be it...I haven't set up my ext3 partition. I am going to do that via ROM manager now.

I don't think rom manger will do that correctly. I used gparted live CD. Google about it. It was pretty simple.
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cranked said:
Ah...that must be it...I haven't set up my ext3 partition. I am going to do that via ROM manager now.
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That is most likely the cause. This same thing happened to me when I attempted to use s2e with ext4 which isnt supported.
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I don't think rom manger will do that correctly. I used gparted live CD. Google about it. It was pretty simple.
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Rom Manager will definitely work. I originally used Rom Manager to partition my ext3 partition. But it has a size limitiation (512MB?). Anything bigger than that will require gparted (or another partition manager via ubuntu)

how long ago did you use ROM manager to make an ext3 partition? I was just partitioning my SD card a couple days ago for s2e and ROM manager didn't give any options for what ext type to make. just asked for partition size, swap size and automatically set up an ext2 partition.

stealthycow said:
how long ago did you use ROM manager to make an ext3 partition? I was just partitioning my SD card a couple days ago for s2e and ROM manager didn't give any options for what ext type to make. just asked for partition size, swap size and automatically set up an ext2 partition.
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Im not sure how long ago I used it. The very first time I used Rom Manager to parition it gave me an ext2 parition. But the most recent time I used it, it just automatically set up a ext3 partition.

Thanks to the collective. I used Gparted, to make a 1024MB Ext3 partition, and S2E works like a charm now.
I tried to do an Ext4 partition first, but it was pointed out that isn't supported by S2E...that clue saved me a ton of time, as did the Gparted Live CD tip.
My phone is back to where it was, and I went from having 25MB free internally, to over 150MB...I have needed this for a LONG TIME!
Thanks!

For those of you using S2E, have you noticed whether moving apps and/or dalvik cache to the SD card slows the phone down at all? Just wondering.

My phone can reboot under 2 minutes being that I moved cache and dalvik to partition. Its a snappy little aria.
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s2e
I use a kingston Class 6 8gig card with apps and dalvik on sd using s2e, ext 3 with 512Mb (Used Rom Manager). First time boot after flashing always take a little longer. other than that every other boot after that is just like normal, have not noticed any ill performance issues. Been using for more than a month now.

I see no differences in performance.
Sent from my HTC Aria

drumist said:
For those of you using S2E, have you noticed whether moving apps and/or dalvik cache to the SD card slows the phone down at all? Just wondering.
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I have both apps and dalvik moved to SD with s2e and there is no noticeable difference in performance. Im running a cheap SanDisk 8gb class4 card.

drumist said:
For those of you using S2E, have you noticed whether moving apps and/or dalvik cache to the SD card slows the phone down at all? Just wondering.
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Moving apps to the sd-card does slow the phone down if you use class 2 card which is generally bundled by the device manufacturer. For use with S2E a class 4 sd-card is required minimum. The ones who have higher class sd cards like 8 or 10, you should move apps. You should see a performance jump.
For normal sdcard users (2 or 4), I will not recommend moving applications and private apps, just move dalvik cache and download cache. should give you enough internal space without hampering on performance.
For partitioning the sd card use mini tool and partition it on the PC (see attached image). make sure you make a fat32 1st, 2nd ext2 & 3rd Linux swap. Thats the only way it works. Also dont forget to select 'Mount as Ext4' in S2E Settings. Best of luck.
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Hi.
I used s2e script to free some space on my desire ( CM7 ) , but i'm having some problems. I'm using a new HP 16GB class 10 sd card (write speed 11.2 , reading speed 30.9). First I moved everything in my 2gb ext3 , but I was having force close issues for many apps and I was unable to move apps to the fat32 partition thrugh app2sd app (not enought space). So I moved /data back to /data and these 2 problems were resolved. But I'm facing a new problem now. When I'm having a call and I take the phone away from my ear, most of the times the screen doesnt turn on until the other person hangs up (even if i press the power button). How can I resolve this? Also can I move /data back to ext3 , without having the problems I mentioned before?
Thanx in advance

geomad said:
Hi.
I used s2e script to free some space on my desire ( CM7 ) , but i'm having some problems. I'm using a new HP 16GB class 10 sd card (write speed 11.2 , reading speed 30.9). First I moved everything in my 2gb ext3 , but I was having force close issues for many apps and I was unable to move apps to the fat32 partition thrugh app2sd app (not enought space). So I moved /data back to /data and these 2 problems were resolved. But I'm facing a new problem now. When I'm having a call and I take the phone away from my ear, most of the times the screen doesnt turn on until the other person hangs up (even if i press the power button). How can I resolve this? Also can I move /data back to ext3 , without having the problems I mentioned before?
Thanx in advance
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Could be a lot of reasons. Highly possible that there are too many active apps leaving very little RAM. Have you checked how much RAM is being used?
I use a nifty widget called 'Go TaskManager Widget'. http://bit.ly/wRV7xI ... use it if you are using GO Launcher.
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nth20 said:
Could be a lot of reasons. Highly possible that there are too many active apps leaving very little RAM. Have you checked how much RAM is being used?
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Hello, Thanx for your quick reply!
i just downloaded an app and my free ram is like 31% , when the phone its idle. Is that not enough? What can I do to resolve this issue? Will creating a swap partition in my sd make any difference?

geomad said:
Hi.
I used s2e script to free some space on my desire ( CM7 ) , but i'm having some problems. I'm using a new HP 16GB class 10 sd card (write speed 11.2 , reading speed 30.9). First I moved everything in my 2gb ext3 , but I was having force close issues for many apps and I was unable to move apps to the fat32 partition thrugh app2sd app (not enought space). So I moved /data back to /data and these 2 problems were resolved. But I'm facing a new problem now. When I'm having a call and I take the phone away from my ear, most of the times the screen doesnt turn on until the other person hangs up (even if i press the power button). How can I resolve this? Also can I move /data back to ext3 , without having the problems I mentioned before?
Thanx in advance
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Don't move your /data partition to sd-ext. Move Dalvik cache first, and if you need more space, then move your applications as well. If you still need more space, then you're doing something wrong.

drumist said:
Don't move your /data partition to sd-ext. Move Dalvik cache first, and if you need more space, then move your applications as well. If you still need more space, then you're doing something wrong.
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so there is no way tomove /data with a hi speed sd card witout problems right? What about the second problem i'm facing now , with everything but /data moved to ext ?

tommyguns818 said:
I don't think rom manger will do that correctly. I used gparted live CD. Google about it. It was pretty simple.
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CWM 5.0.2.3, as made available in these forums by attn1, also works for partitioning SD cards. I never got gparted to work right with my card, for some reason. But the "Partition SD Card" option in CWM did it right nice.
My Aria's not telling me that it's out of memory anymore. And that's good news.

a2sd issues

I am using the Synergy RC1 rom . It comes with a2sd already built in. I have an 1024mb ext3 partition setup on my SD card. My SD card is a class 8 and I have used with success on other roms that supported a2sd. I repartitioned the card and cleared all caches multiple times before flashing the ROM. When I use Quick System Info it shows me how much space I have left on my ext3 partition so I know it is there and readable. The davlik cache is stored on the SD card by default with this particular iteration of a2sd (it is based off of CyanogenMod)
The problem that within a few hours of flashing the rom and installing a couple of apps (I have installed different apps each time so it is not a particular app that cause this) all of a sudden my internal storage starts dropping on its own. No more apps were installed, but every couple of minutes when I check there is less and less internal storage available. The memory drops even when the phone is not in use. I was doing some stuff on my phone and when I put it down it had 260mb free. I pick it up 10 minutes later and it is down to 118mb. I do not understand why this is happening. If anyone has any suggestions it would be greatly appreciated.

Earlier today on the Synergy thread it was said that using a 2 gig EXT3 should work better, than the 1 gig most of are used to using. I know I'm going to reformat mine tomorrow and repartition it to see if I can get this going.
Worked perfectly on MikG, but I guess Synergy just puts more into internal memory.
Also, you did use the Synergy Updater to flash A2SD, right?? Because flashing the DT Zip file could cause problems, I hear....

Thanks for the reply.
I still had space in my ext3 partition. About 640mb I believe. I will reformat and reflash to see if a 2gig partition will help. I did not download and install the DT a2sd mod. I have used the built in a2sd in myn's roms for a while without issue. Should I use DT's instead?

Nope. seems that in Synergy, A2SD is not built in, but in the Synergy updater, you can flash a version that was created FOR synergy. Now, when you do this, it doesn't format your card, it only assigns the partitions.
On MikG, with DT A2SD built in, using my 64MB Swap and 1 gig EXT 3, I'd have over 300MB free internal storage.
With Synergy, same partitions, using the flashable A2SD, I only have 124MB free internal, my apps ARE on the SD Card, but when I try to enable swap (Terminal SU, A2SD Reswap) it fails to start Swap.
I think it was DougJamal that told me to try and reset my EXT to 2 gigs

I see. I was under the impression from the OP that a2sd was built in. I saw my ext3 partition being used as I installed apps. Everything was working I believe. When I first flashed the rom I had 386mb of free internal storage.

alkataz said:
see if a 2gig partition will help. I did not download and install the DT a2sd mod. Should I use DT's instead?
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DT's works good for me. running MIUI.1.6.24

Yes, DT's is great, but apparently, there's a script that conflicts with Synergy, so I was told to use the flashable in he Synergy Updater.
It's DT, but it's got a mod that works better with the ROM, and believe me, that was a very layman's way to describe it

I was out so I could not repartition and reinstall the rom using the 2 gig partition, but I had repartitioned and reinstalled just before I left my last response and it has happened again. I looked at my phone a couple hours aftr install and internal storage went from 354mb to 177mb. I looked at it 10 minutes later and it was down to 54mb. By the time I reached home I was getting a low memory warning and 511kb free. This is weird.

I did a full wipe and everything. I have never experienced this on any ROM and I have used a2sd on almost all of them. I have read that there was a issue with the GB release updates that caused the phone to incorrectly report free internal storage space. Maybe this is the cause of this, but I have reinstalled the ROM like 3 times and redownloaded the ROM each time.

alkataz said:
I did a full wipe and everything. I have never experienced this on any ROM and I have used a2sd on almost all of them. I have read that there was a issue with the GB release updates that caused the phone to incorrectly report free internal storage space. Maybe this is the cause of this, but I have reinstalled the ROM like 3 times and redownloaded the ROM each time.
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Yeah, I ran /system/bin/ a2sd reinstall which re processed all my apps but when I ran a2sd reswap, it failed again and my memory is wicked low.
I DO still need to reformat and redo my ext3 partition, but I'm not feeling too confident.

SwiftDroid ASIS and Swap?

Hi there,
I never dealt with creating swap partition. I'm using latest SwiftDroid now and like to know if it uses swap automatically. If not, would it be advisable to create one? How do I have to do this? Which size should it have and does SwoftDroid ASIS recognise it rigth?
I googled a lot and search in the forum, but didn't find helpful information.
Thanks

G00fY2 said:
Hi there,
I never dealt with creating swap partition. I'm using latest SwiftDroid now and like to know if it uses swap automatically. If not, would it be advisable to create one? How do I have to do this? Which size should it have and does SwoftDroid ASIS recognise it rigth?
I googled a lot and search in the forum, but didn't find helpful information.
Thanks
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using swap isn't the best idea as it kills ur sd card faster.
also a lot of people use about 200mb swap partition to about 300mb swap
partition..
u could get the app from the market ( swapper2 for root users )
or read this thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1317362

Mur4ik recommends swap 256MB for previous versions of SwiftDroid, so I think that is also applies to ASIS. ASIS can use swap automatically (no need to use swapper app) if you create swap partition as third on sdcard (second should be ext - in newest recovery you can create 2MB ext3 partition).

kretos said:
ASIS can use swap automatically (no need to use swapper app) if you create swap partition as third on sdcard (second should be ext - in newest recovery you can create 2MB ext3 partition).
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Okay, now slowly. I flashed my phone with Mur4ik's KDZ Method before installed SwiftDroid. So there should be 150MB for system,64MB for cache and 234MB free internal storage. Are the 64MB memory for swap? So that SwiftDroid always uses swap but with internal memory?
Now I don't understand what you say about second and third partition and what exactly Mur4ik suggest for his ROM. They are both an SD, aren't they? I use a 16GB class 4 SD card. So what should I do to get best performance with ASIS?

androidboss7 said:
using swap isn't the best idea as it kills ur sd card faster.
also a lot of people use about 200mb swap partition to about 300mb swap
partition..
u could get the app from the market ( swapper2 for root users )
or read this thread!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1317362
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thanks for recommending my thread yes goofy use the link to enable swap
Edit: oops i found out i deleted the pictures at the thread just restored them hope it makes it easier

G00fY2 said:
Okay, now slowly. I flashed my phone with Mur4ik's KDZ Method before installed SwiftDroid. So there should be 150MB for system,64MB for cache and 234MB free internal storage. Are the 64MB memory for swap? So that SwiftDroid always uses swap but with internal memory?
Now I don't understand what you say about second and third partition and what exactly Mur4ik suggest for his ROM. They are both an SD, aren't they? I use a 16GB class 4 SD card. So what should I do to get best performance with ASIS?
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150MB for system,64MB for cache and 234MB free internal storage <- it's internal storage of your phone, system is just system, cache is for files downloaded from internet, internal storage is for installing your applications.
On sdcard you should have primary partition (fat32), ext3 and swap (linux swap type) partition. The third will be automatically used. See thread mentioned above or copy everything from your sdcard to you computer, reboot phone into recovery and creat ext partition and swap partition (in that order) through recovery. Then reboot phone and copy data back from computer to phone's sdcard.

Ok, i managed to create 256MB swap partition.
So what do you say is the best swappiness value? I read that 60 seems to be to high?
PS: How can I see if swap works?

I leave mine at 60 to see If it works type free in a terminal on the phone

Ok it works. Terminal shows me that the phone uses swap. But I also recognised it by playing some games, which worked laggy before and now run very smooth.
About swappiness: I read that 30 seems to be the best for our phone?

ASIS set swappiness to higher value (I believe 60) - I've changed it to 30 in previous versions but now I just left it as it it. I don't see any difference.

Yay! no more third person software :3, native swap.
Thanks :3