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I recently found out (thanks to Cyanogen's Twitter) about Google's Android App Inventor and wanted to see what everyone thought about it? I think it's great in that more apps would theoretically be released, though of questionable quality. But also I'm wondering about the value of development using code, would this become more valuable as a result of laziness on the part of some developers? Or would its value decrease since it's easier to make an application now? I haven't actually used the program yet since I want to gain a firm grasp on actual coding but these questions were in the back of my mind since the invention of things other WYSIWYG eg Web Development.
I'm thinking this is a good thing, you can make apps on the go, for practically anything. It will continually get better, unless it crashes and burns because it floods the market and similar with ultra-****ty programs.
Later on Google will probably release some sort of testing program to run it through the hoops to see if it's good enough, or something like that.
Remember, it's still in beta
great great great, it means idiots like me will be able to solve some of our own niche needs*, that have as yet not be done.
*a special farty sound.
I'm disappointed it's not available for download now. I was all excited reading about it and then realised it's not even out yet.
It can only be a good thing and the app market can easily be changed to filter out the inevitable rubbish it will partly create. However a lot of useful and ingenious apps will also be created that wouldn't have been (like the one I will make).
I'm looking forward to it, there's a few things I want to make that aren't in the marketplace. Just wondering what sort of functionality we will be allowed, if I can make my own task manager/battery monitor widgets for example.
I like the idea too.
Hopefully this doesn't lead to a glutton of bad apps on the market!
Depending on how functional it is, we might never need the market ever again. Half an hour making your own app vs half an hour searching the market and trying half a dozen bloated ad-ridden apps.
Morghus said:
I'm thinking this is a good thing, you can make apps on the go, for practically anything. It will continually get better, unless it crashes and burns because it floods the market and similar with ultra-****ty programs.
Later on Google will probably release some sort of testing program to run it through the hoops to see if it's good enough, or something like that.
Remember, it's still in beta
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But its already pretty powerful... and bound to get better.
jimlad said:
great great great, it means idiots like me will be able to solve some of our own niche needs*, that have as yet not be done.
*a special farty sound.
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Yeah... But who knows, Maybe that TINY niche need is something else that someone might want to use and then that ends up bing a profitable app. Not because It makes a ton of dough, but because it was so quick and easy to make.
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I'm disappointed it's not available for download now. I was all excited reading about it and then realised it's not even out yet.
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Im using it right now.If you read the actual website... there are links to all the tools and how to use them.
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I like the idea too.
Hopefully this doesn't lead to a glutton of bad apps on the market!
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This is always a potential. With ease of programming comes more apps, and with more apps comes more Bad apps. But if this helps one person make one useful app, its done its job.
I really hope to get good with this, and maybe have alot of community support here... this could very wellbe a powerful tool for noob developers.
IDK though, I wouldn't think anything could ever replace actually typing out code as opposed to using blocks which is what it seems like App Inventor does.
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Im using it right now.If you read the actual website... there are links to all the tools and how to use them.
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Could you be a bit more specific on how you got the final 'my projects' section working?
i have installed everything.. and the final stage it requests my details (which i had previously filled in)
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Im using it right now.If you read the actual website... there are links to all the tools and how to use them.
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When I login I get: "We will be granting access to App Inventor for Android over the coming weeks. Fill out this form (only your Gmail address is required) and we’ll have you building apps soon! While you are waiting feel free to read more about App Inventor and learn how it works."
Have been all over the http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/ website and can't find any links to download or use tools. Am in the UK so maybe that is the problem.
Same here with me. Maybe they need to verify our info and then give us the links to download
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When I login I get: "We will be granting access to App Inventor for Android over the coming weeks. Fill out this form (only your Gmail address is required) and we’ll have you building apps soon! While you are waiting feel free to read more about App Inventor and learn how it works."
Have been all over the http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/about/ website and can't find any links to download or use tools. Am in the UK so maybe that is the problem.
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Its in beta right now, so like most great Google things in their infancy it is invite only.
App inventor looks wicked, reminds me of Visual Basic only useful since it works on platforms besides Windows >
I think this is a progressive idea!
But hope the market stays as clean as possible with QA Apps!
I made a simple app (send an SMS).
- Made it using the app inventor : Apk file takes 1MB and once installed, the apps takes 3.5MB of space!!! (whitch cannot be moved to SD, even with Froyo)
- I made the same app "the normal way" with the android sdk and eclipse : the apk file takes 13KB and the installed app takes 20KB
I heard that when its released, all the apps will not be put on the market right away... in the future... maybe, but that'll prob be after Google makes a filter as to which apps can be put on the market. Not to mention, the Google $25 market upload fee will still apply, so even if Google doesn't filter, it won't completely flood the market.
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I made a simple app (send an SMS).
- Made it using the app inventor : Apk file takes 1MB and once installed, the apps takes 3.5MB of space!!! (whitch cannot be moved to SD, even with Froyo)
- I made the same app "the normal way" with the android sdk and eclipse : the apk file takes 13KB and the installed app takes 20KB
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I suppose it's to be expected. As with all tools of this type, you get ease and speed when developing but you also get a huge runtime when compiling.
Dragos
Aint normal IMO...
The compiler knows which objects it has to take in account when building the package.
I mean it's not a big deal to include only what is necessary...
Anyway, that size problem (added to some interface bugs i encountered) makes me believe that this project is far from being usable.
By now, the only use I'd make would be prototyping views on it.
It's in BETA for a reason.
This is under the dev part of the forum because I was going to see if someone could unpack the angrybirds.apk and remove the ad's from the game or if someone could post a early release download before the ad's were implemented. I love this game and I don't want to wait for Rovio to produce a non ad version...anyone?
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AdFree, one of the best apps for a rooted phone.
That is stealing!!! Ads are there to supports the developers hard work! They deserve to make money and honestly they are even letting you download it for free, so either you wait until there is a paid version or just dont play at all.
You can just put your phone in airplane mode and the ads won't pop up.
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AdFree, one of the best apps for a rooted phone.
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Thanks that works great
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julidelara said:
That is stealing!!! Ads are there to supports the developers hard work! They deserve to make money and honestly they are even letting you download it for free, so either you wait until there is a paid version or just dont play at all.
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You consider that stealing?....not really since they released the game without ads and then made ads for people to click on which I will never do and if you wanted to really think about "stealing" consider yourself a thief since you hacked your phone and are using apps that aren't approved from the manufacturer and running "illegal apps"...so w/e dude..I've been downloading music and apps off sharing websites like rapidshare since I was like 12 dude...they are stealing from us. These things shouldn't cost as much as they do ie: windows os and microsoft office its just ridiculous and everything else in the world and if that's what you think, like I already said you shouldn't root your phone.
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Regardless, I dont think its legal for this forum.
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You consider that stealing?....not really since they released the game without ads and then made ads for people to click on which I will never do and if you wanted to really think about "stealing" consider yourself a thief since you hacked your phone and are using apps that aren't approved from the manufacturer and running "illegal apps"...so w/e dude..I've been downloading music and apps off sharing websites like rapidshare since I was like 12 dude...they are stealing from us. These things shouldn't cost as much as they do ie: windows os and microsoft office its just ridiculous and everything else in the world and if that's what you think, like I already said you shouldn't root your phone.
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You're not furthering any cause by being cheap. Also rooting one's phone is not piracy. Voiding your warranty won't land you in jail.
Didn't mean to cause such an uproar. The only reason I mention adfree is because you can download it straight from the market. And no you are not stealing the game is free. Period. Like someone said putting your phone into airplane mode gives you the same effect. I am not taking anything from the devs if there is no paid version alternate.
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Does anyone know how to bypass the carrier-specific Android market? I know that the apps can be submitted to the market for a specific carrier, so is there a way to fool the market into thinking the phone is on a different carrier?
Basically, I'd like to download some apps (AT&T U-verse, Google Car Home, etc.) that are blocked on Sprint's Android Market. I know you can find the apk's on XDA and such, but I'm wondering if there's a more direct route?
Might be a bit cliche but you can find those apps on some alternative market apps like applanet. I will not post a link to it here as that app leads to downloading copyrighted apps for free and is to the best of my knowledge illegal and frowned on my the majority of the Android community.
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Does anyone know how to bypass the carrier-specific Android market? I know that the apps can be submitted to the market for a specific carrier, so is there a way to fool the market into thinking the phone is on a different carrier?
Basically, I'd like to download some apps (AT&T U-verse, Google Car Home, etc.) that are blocked on Sprint's Android Market. I know you can find the apk's on XDA and such, but I'm wondering if there's a more direct route?
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Might be a bit cliche but you can find those apps on some alternative market apps like applanet. I will not post a link to it here as that app leads to downloading copyrighted apps for free and is to the best of my knowledge illegal and frowned on my the majority of the Android community.
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It's also the #1 way to get trojans on your phone. Derp.
Has anyone actually proven the existence of Trojan worms or viruses for android yet??
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It's also the #1 way to get trojans on your phone. Derp.
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I hate that Sprint decided that its users aren't worthy of the Skype app =/ I will not use that dumb Qik thing when I already have a Skype account, thanks.
edit: Rooting itself opens your phone to a lot more bad stuff...
market enabler can make market think your whatever you want.
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I hate that Sprint decided that its users aren't worthy of the Skype app =/ I will not use that dumb Qik thing when I already have a Skype account, thanks.
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Skype owns Qik
Edit: Literally. Not like pwns. Like they actually own the company that makes Qik.
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What? I downloaded the skype app from the market on my evo...
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Market access in android market. You can find other carriers access number on xda.
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Verizon market number 310012
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At&t: 310410
T-Mobile: 310260
Blackberry: 30911
Virgin Mobile: 23203
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Wait... I'm confused.
How does one use those numbers provided to see other carrier's app markets?
And the online one market.android.com isn't comprehensive??
(Forgive the noob-like questions. I came to the Evo from iPhone less than 2 months ago, so I'm trying to ramp up my knowledge...)
Thanks in advance!
Goto the market and download market enabler. Then choose carrier. I did and it asked for root access so best get your root on for this. Otherwise use what I mentioned way up there^^^
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Wait... I'm confused.
How does one use those numbers provided to see other carrier's app markets?
And the online one market.android.com isn't comprehensive??
(Forgive the noob-like questions. I came to the Evo from iPhone less than 2 months ago, so I'm trying to ramp up my knowledge...)
Thanks in advance!
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At&t: 310410
T-Mobile: 310260
Blackberry: 30911
Virgin Mobile: 23203
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worked!...thanks chopper...I had heard about Market Enabler but I didn't know any of the carrier codes...any idea what the Sprint code is so I can go back if needed?
310120 you can just put that code and hit back up value. When ready to go back to Sprint hit restore value.
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310120 you can just put that code and hit back up value. When ready to go back to Sprint hit restore value.
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awesome...thanks!
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Is there a list of apps that are available on other networks?
Apparently so....
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So would say a link but I don't have enough posts yet to neatly embed as a hyperlink
Instead do a search of the sprintdroids forum for "google-remote-nukes-android-malware-off-phones-second-time-ever"
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Very Helpful thank you
There actually is a tweak for changing the carrier Market sees so you can see more apps. Obviously that is NOT any kind of security risk since those are still MARKET APPS.
I don't remember off the top of my head but it had to do with downloading Gmail, since that's not normally something you can do from the Market. It was related to CyanogenMod. I hope that helps.
There are also plenty of good legitimate markets out there like AppBrain, which I much prefer to the regular Market for finding cool new apps.
Ive noticed apps on the Market that says, FREE (with ADS) and also PAID / Pro Version of the same app (for a fixed price lets say £3.00)
Now ive noticed the count on download apps for a app that is £3 to be 250.000 > downloads ... which means £750.000 has been paid into the market just from this single app ?????
How much would the developer of this app see from the £750.000 that has been made? And am I also right that ADS on their software also let the developer gain money??
Seems to me you can earn a lot of money for a well populated app... ???
You answered your own question. Developers SELL (obtain money for their product) their apps. Free apps that include ads, the developer also gets money. It's just like youtube videos.
Surely Google must take commision as well??
Yeah, that's the goal
But face it, people are cheap...even for a $0.99 app! And that "super duper, can't live without it app" is all so elusive.
So developers will put out a limited or crippled version of their app for free in hopes that people will buy the full version.
Oh yeah Google takes their cut; it's pro-rated on the number of app sales you have.
Lookiing closely at other apps and focasing on one partiuclar app called Fotmob which I have purchased. It is a really good app that is for any football supportors out their giving details of a list of attributes such as, Live Scores - Fixtures - News - and Table..... Its probably the best football application Ive bought.
Now focasing on a a certain point on the development part of the app
1) Live Score's ... Gives a list of live playing games and their score line next to it. - Am curious on where the data comes from? Surely it isnt edited As games are played because that would be practically impossible to keep up to date therefore it must use a similar command such as a Fetch_arrey syntax. Now where would the user of FOTMOB Fetch the data from?? it must be a reliable known source such as BBC SPORTS / SKY SPORTS to keep its app up-to-date during the live games??
Is that right?
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Ive noticed apps on the Market that says, FREE (with ADS) and also PAID / Pro Version of the same app (for a fixed price lets say £3.00)
Now ive noticed the count on download apps for a app that is £3 to be 250.000 > downloads ... which means £750.000 has been paid into the market just from this single app ?????
How much would the developer of this app see from the £750.000 that has been made? And am I also right that ADS on their software also let the developer gain money??
Seems to me you can earn a lot of money for a well populated app... ???
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It's not as black and white as that.
Firstly, you'd have to be an brilliant developer to get 250k+ downloads from a paid app. If you see an app like that, 9 times out of 10 it will be a company, not a single developer.
Secondly, 250k downloads is the amount of times an app has been downloaded, not the amount of times people have paid for it. e.g., around 40% of those downloads will be from people who refunded.
and lastly, Google take a ridiculous amount of money from you for each sale.
For example, my app sells for £2.00, but google takes £0.60 of that. It might not seem like a lot but it mounts up quickly.
So, 250k downloads isn't as much as you think if you start to look into it (but, it's still a hell of a lot for a single developer to get!!)
Well said Mellus.
And some of these so-called "great" apps are just fancy front ends pulling data off the net or a RSS feed.
As you might gather, I do not have a lot of respect for "this" (or "self"...programmer humor) type of developer.
P.S. if you don't get the programmer humor, "self" is Mac Objective C's "this" pointer.
I make $1,500 a month ( single dev )
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You make $1,500 off how many apps? How many installs. Free apps or paid?
Also, could someone comment on what's required to get started? I know there's a $25 dev fee, and I've read all the help text on the publish site.
What do most devs do for a website to link to in the market? Does Google offer anything? Use Go Daddy? What?
What do you use to create the graphics required for the market?
Other tips?
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rigman said:
You make $1,500 off how many apps? How many installs. Free apps or paid?
Also, could someone comment on what's required to get started? I know there's a $25 dev fee, and I've read all the help text on the publish site.
What do most devs do for a website to link to in the market? Does Google offer anything? Use Go Daddy? What?
What do you use to create the graphics required for the market?
Other tips?
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About 15 apps. All paid.
You need to know how to make apps lol.
You need to make your own website ( not needed though)
Use photoshop.
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Yeah I'm just getting into app development as well. I've currently got an ADWTheme out on the market for $0.99, and I make ~$0.69 per sale. There is really a ton of potential for profit if you get into individual app development as long as you can make stuff that people want. When I first released my theme I was making ~$10 a day off of it. after a month or so it's died down to ~$2.5 - $5 daily, but another factor is that I haven't updated it in a while haha. If you can manage to keep all of your apps up-to-date and appealing, you will do well.
If you are really interested in developing applications for android I would recommended watching these videos: http://marakana.com/techtv/android_bootcamp_screencast_series.html They've seriously helped me out a LOT getting off the ground
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About 15 apps. All paid.
You need to know how to make apps lol.
You need to make your own website ( not needed though)
Use photoshop.
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I would recommend Adobe Illustrator more than Photoshop for making graphics, at least it's what I prefer.
1. Make it look pretty
2. Make it fart
Yeah, nice LOL. Hey, if it sells, it sells. Wish I could write an app that sells thousands
I'm only a few months into development though, so it's "learn something new everyday" process. As the coding skills build, so will the quality of the apps....and hopefully sales.
Applications based on RFID concept?
Please allow me to ask if how much will it take for a developer on a full time basis to create an application that would run on both android and windows mobile.
This will be for a RFID concept
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Please allow me to ask if how much will it take for a developer on a full time basis to create an application that would run on both android and windows mobile.
This will be for a RFID concept
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I don't know about window mobile but check out corona SDK for developing.
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Don't know why it's so difficult to answer a simple question.
70% goes to the developer, the remaining 30% is distributed to the cell carrier (if the carrier is authorized to receive fees for apps purchased on the market.)
Wikipedia explains it in such a way that even the most simple minded of folk can understand. It sounds like a few of you should read up on that, as opposed to providing vague, meaningless "answers".
http://www.crn.com/240000735/printablearticle.htm
What software do you have to protect yourself/information?
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What software do you have to protect yourself/information?
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Before I open any app I open manifests.xml and change permissions. lol
Anything else We can do?
IMO, If you get anything like this. You deserve it! Almost just like on a PC. If your not smart enough to check your stuff before you put it on your phone, then stick to buying your apps. Don't open and launch things from emails you don't know about. Your not smart enough to know what sites are bad and how to control what your clicking through. By all means hurry and pirate an anti... app too please. Then I can charge you to fix it. XXX only make me money.
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Oh yeah I forgot. LBE security guard. Amazing root permissions app. It allows you to revoke certain apps permissions. Like if you don't want angry birds access to your data and wifi you can do that. An added plus is with that you dont get any more stupid adds.
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Avast! Is pretty awesome, mostly anti-virus protection.........the malware stuff is a totally different kinda animal, would be great to see a good solid app.........gonna try Uber's recommendation.
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I use a combo of several apps
Superuser (with PIN) for SU rights
AdFree - to block most ads
Droid Wall - to totally block data & WiFI on an app by app basis
LBE Privacy Guard - to remove specific permission from apps that require data access
One of the easiest thing to do, is only get apps from trusted sources, which will drastically cut down on risks
Finally, think twice about installing an app with a low number of downloads.
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I use a combo of several apps
Superuser (with PIN) for SU rights
AdFree - to block most ads
Droid Wall - to totally block data & WiFI on an app by app basis
LBE Privacy Guard - to remove specific permission from apps that require data access
One of the easiest thing to do, is only get apps from trusted sources, which will drastically cut down on risks
Finally, think twice about installing an app with a low number of downloads.
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Why do you have LBE and Droid wall. You do know LBE has that function too right? Internet Firewall....
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Oh yeah I forgot. LBE security guard. Amazing root permissions app. It allows you to revoke certain apps permissions. Like if you don't want angry birds access to your data and wifi you can do that. An added plus is with that you dont get any more stupid adds.
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I agree 100% with this. The UI is super simple, and you can see how much data each app is using. It opened my eyes the first few times I used it as there were apps using data that had no real reason to. It didn't make sense to me.
As UBER mentioned, you can also disable GPS for apps like Angry Birds Space. I love how when you install a new app, a notification shows up up top reminding you to set permissions for that app.
Very basic, easy to use, and most importantly, powerful.
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So many people have Android devices now that it ruins it for everyone. That is what makes it a popular platform for that kind of stuff. Nobody ever released malware for Windows Mobile.
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So many people have Android devices now that it ruins it for everyone. That is what makes it a popular platform for that kind of stuff. Nobody ever released malware for Windows Mobile.
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I don't see the issue I download everywhere and even sites I know aren't protected yet I have no malware or problems.
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I don't see the issue I download everywhere and even sites I know aren't protected yet I have no malware or problems.
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Same here. What kind of places do you actually have to go to to get a virus?
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Same here. What kind of places do you actually have to go to to get a virus?
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Most likely, any Russian or Chinese market for cracked apps, as most of the infected apps come from these two regions.
Also, any hacker board for cracked apps has a higher than average chance of having an infected app
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Most likely, any Russian or Chinese market for cracked apps, as most of the infected apps come from these two regions.
Also, any hacker board for cracked apps has a higher than average chance of having an infected app
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I don't live in Russia or China, so I can't say I've ever been to one of these "cracked markets".
Could you provide an example of a "hacker board for cracked apps"?
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Used to use lookout, but I flash my phone so often I haven't downloaded it in a while.
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