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So I just got my Mogul, and trying to find software for it is really annoying. no list of programs with screen shots, each program type has about 40 different homebrewed versions, most of the stuff doesn;t have a lonk to download anything, no homepage reference so you don't know if you're downloaded a version 4 versions older than the current, piss poor instructions on howw to actually use it, etc.
Is there an actual list of software links, that is updated with the most recent verion, of sotware for this phone? For example, I'm interested in adding that "Cube" menuing system, and doing a Google search returns 50 different versions of 20 different pieces of software linking to pages with older versions of the software that doesn't even work.
Is there a commonly accepted "best" cube type mening system out there? how about a commonly accepted "best" iPhone like interface?
emkorial said:
So I just got my Mogul, and trying to find software for it is really annoying. no list of programs with screen shots, each program type has about 40 different homebrewed versions, most of the stuff doesn;t have a lonk to download anything, no homepage reference so you don't know if you're downloaded a version 4 versions older than the current, piss poor instructions on howw to actually use it, etc.
Is there an actual list of software links, that is updated with the most recent verion, of sotware for this phone? For example, I'm interested in adding that "Cube" menuing system, and doing a Google search returns 50 different versions of 20 different pieces of software linking to pages with older versions of the software that doesn't even work.
Is there a commonly accepted "best" cube type mening system out there? how about a commonly accepted "best" iPhone like interface?
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Um, there are literally THOUSANDS of programs that work on the Titan. It doesnt take a lot of work searching to find programs that are awesome. Try using the search feature of this website or ppcgeeks to find what you need instead of asking someone to deliver it to you.
Searching is your best answer. Making a list of the most currnet builds out there (some of which the most current isn't the "best") of software out there would be obselete in a months time. I've got the best results with trial and error in finding what works with my setup (hardware, rom and radio).
Thousands? I've downloaded about 20, and TWO work. the rest do NOTHING, due to obscure compatability problems, some random patch being required that no one seems to have, or it just flat out won't work, period. It;s incredibly frustrating.
Most have said it. You need to do your own research and on top of that what's good for you may not be good for someone else. In a way this is the fun part - the searching for the good stuff. Also, I take much advise from the experts on this and other forums.
In any case, you can't *****. The source of this software is coming from thousands of people/companies. Some write something good and just dump it on a server for others to download and offer little to no documentation. BUT... you pay nothing in many cases (can't ***** there). ANd it's almost always "run at your own risk!".
Want something stable, documented, and supported by a company... stay stock (OEM). Wait... my stock software was not stable, not well documented, and hardly supported (Sprint). As a matter of fact an alpha ROM I am running now is much better than the OEM software that the phone came with.
Willing alpha and beta tester,
tsp
Mogul w/ 6.1, 3.16, 3.27, 60711, NexVision Alpha ROM.
YMMV
make sure you are downloading ppc applications and not smartphone ones, and that you are downloading applications for WM6. If the app doesn't work then search the forums to see what other peoples experience is with that program.
while some of the responses here have been a little abrupt, you need to understand that your request is literally impossible. Nobody could possibly compile of a list of all the software that can run on the mogul.
Here are some things to try, though:
Search the forums for "best programs" and such things
Download different windows mobile apps and try them -- I've rarely found any that don't work.
Figure out what functionality you're looking for, and search specifically for that.
At the very least, if you want to post a query such as this one, you need to specify what exactly you're looking for. Our friend above wasn't exagerating when he said that there are thousands of apps that run on the mogul. If you're new to windows mobile, it'll take some getting used to. Be patient and read a lot. you'll figure it out.
Most people on this board are happy to help you with problems, but they do expect that you exert some energy on your own. If they feel like you haven't, they get touchy.
This thread might become a little more useful for you if you were to say what you are looking for (for example, if you're looking for a good program for maps and such that uses a data connection, I recommend Google Maps (visit http://m.google.com from your mobile phone)
Hope this helps, and good luck!
id say VITO SMS CHAT v1.0.1 is almost a must have if u text alot and have a stock ROM...most the custom ROMS have some form of threaded SMS added for u...but stock ROMS dont and this is a very nice program...i dont use this site much, but im on ppcgeeks 24/7 and i know we have a thread about it there...
also if ur looking for a nice web browser check out netfront browser 3.5 is pretty quick and it loads full websites not just the mobile version...and if u use myspace it actually loads the persons page background...its in beta now till may 31st, but if u search hard enough u can find ANY ppc program for free
I tried searching for a while now. After a failed ROM update I lost all my apps so I am re-customizing everything. How do you change the Title on the Home page? Right now it says: 'TELUS' but that's a little tacky. Can someone guide me to the right post?
Titan Apps
I have quite a few apps that I have been collecting would be happy to contribute to the list let me know...also in the development and hacking section there is a huge list of HTC apps that are pretty much always a go on the Titan.
I am new to this site.. I have a moguel.. and I would love to know what programs u have..please contact me at [email protected] with the info..please and thank u.
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I have quite a few apps that I have been collecting would be happy to contribute to the list let me know...also in the development and hacking section there is a huge list of HTC apps that are pretty much always a go on the Titan.
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i'm a noob as well but i read a bunch.thing is there are terms and titles that make reading these threads as bad as reading the bible at times.i tried a bunch of stuff since i had my mogul.i removed a bunch of stuff as well.but right now i use spb mobile shell,pocket plus,fun contact,s2play,s2u2,weather panel<-------- wich is cool as hell but takes a bunch of tweaking imo to get to run right.(still haven't got my radar images right)gpstoday,thumbcal,and a bunch of games.i'm not an expert by far but i know these apps work fine on my device.
this is pretty confusing but this is the index i use to keep track of all the apps that both work and are user-friendly(to an extent).
its kind of hard to understand of you havent written it but what ever
if you have any questions feel free to ask.
EDIT:btw i have all of these stored. (as in .cabs, .exes....)
KEY
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X = Located in Backup
O = Must retrive
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ON DISK BUT HAVEN'T INSTALLED
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PROGRAMS
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O-PDAMedia SIP Keyboard Light v1.0 - Full Screen Keyboard
X-An Original Idea.com Webby - Alternate Internet Browser
O-TCPMP AAC Plugin - Enables AAC PLayback capabilities for TCPMP
O-TCPMP - Alternate Media Player
A_C Slide2Unlock
X-TNT Task Manager 2_0_30487_2 - Task Manager in Tray
X-The EquinoXe Wizard reTOUCHed - New Phone Keypad
X-PHM Registry Editor
X-CodyPPC Threaded SMS
X-Picsel Browser
X-Windows .NET FRAMEWORK
X-Adobe Flash Lite 2.1
X-TouchFlo
X-TOUCHFLOCONFIG.TXT
X-Slither's Cube
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EXECUTABLES
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X-LAUNCHER - iPhone Emulator
X-REQUIRES CONFIG.INI
X-REQUIRES GFX.FOLDER
X-PPCPimBackUp
X-REQUIRES PIM.FOLDER
X-Where is my Ram?
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WMDC EXECTUTABLES
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X-Christmas Runner Lite
X-Chess v2.0
X-Gnuboy-GameBoyColor Emulator
X-Pokemon Crystal ROM
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THEMES
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X-wm6t-waterandfire.tsk - Lighter with Water
X-wm6t-stargateprometheus.tsk - The Prometheus -> Stargate
By the way, the cube isn't all its made out to be. TouchFLO is worth it, but I find myself constantly bringing up the cube on accident, not to mention that its stays in the background after launching. (eating up 8-9% of memory) It's nice to play with, and its great for showing off the capabilities of the phone but in the end, for me, it just wasn't worth it.
Then again, to each their own. Truly, TRY programs out. People like different things so you can't always trust a stranger to give you accurate advice.
I was once a "noob," having switched from Palm to come over to the "dark side" (remind me of the Mac vs PC thing). I have the VZW XV6800 with DCD's 2.3.2 rom onboard. I have thrashed and trashed my poor PPC many times before getting it stable the way I want. I have the following recommendations to all "noobs" who want to see "what works and what doesn't."
1) Don't fear the hard reset. If things go completely screwy, simply start from scratch. I store all my cab files on the card for this purpose. BTW, I have never needed to call Verizon after a hard reset. I simply *228 to program the SPL and "everyting is irie mon."
2) Make every effort to find the answer yourself before posting a question anywhere. You are likely not the first person to have whatever problem you think you have. To coin a phrase, "the truth is out there." If you don't have the time to search for the answer, you probably shouldn't be putsing (a technical term) with your phone. Check here and over at PPCGeeks.
3) Figure out which base application you cannot live without. ake sure that each works with the other by soft resetting after each install and working the phone a bit before loading another. My base for instance is: SPB Mobile Shell 2; PhoneWeaver; WisBar Advance; Live Search; Google Maps; Opera Mini 4; Resco Backup; Resco file Explorer; and SK Tools. I know they work well, and work together. I always load these first after a hard reset.
4) Get a good backup program (Sprite, SPB Backup, Resco), and use it daily or at least before each new testing round.
5) Backup your registry and save the backup in a safe place (card) in case.
6) Test new applications one at a time, with soft reset after each installation. Do not load another new app, until you are sure that you're happy with the previoous one or have fully uninstalled it.
7) Have fun! Be happy! Don't forget that it's just a damned phone with benefits.
those are some nice tips for someone who is new jgilfor. do you mind if i quoted you in my sig or something? (pm me)
warez i use
After going through this thread, i decided to add the apps i run to my sig. When i get home i'll add some more.
I don't know if it's a good idea or not but maybe i could throw up a page with links to the software? Unless i can upload them all here.
What do you vets think?
It's probably a better request to ask for the programs that each person uses. That's more useful than trying to get a list of every single program out there. With a program name and some patience, then you should be able to find the right install file. If not, then this phone was probably not meant for you, sorry. =( Maybe a Nokia? lol, j/k!
Anyways, I like GhettoBSD's idea! I keep a list of programs that I use so that I know what to reinstall after a ROM flash:
Nilisco Flashlight
HTC Voice Recorder
HTC Home and emunutz HTC Home Customizer
HTC Audio Manager
Skunkworks FlashVideoBundle and TCPMP
Lordsmiff Battery Level
Jorrit Jongma WMWifiRouter
JRebeiro EsmertecJbed and Opera Mini
Stroths-Codyppc Led Killer 3.1
Oxios Memory
CooTek Cooperation Touchpal
GoogleMaps
PPCpimBackup
TomCo Solutions Stopwatch
Do you have a link for the HTC voice recorder that works with Mogul, I tried some but are not working. Cab installs the application, but when trying to record, always get an empty fie of 6b. No matter how long I record always have an empty file named voice00x with size of 6b. Or whay Im doing wrong? I installed the same file in a tytn and works perfect.
Here is what i use
Opera mini (great little browser)
DinarSoft MemMaid ( cleans out junk and temp/ frees memory too)
DinarSoft Handyswitcher (awesome taskbar app with cpu /memory usage that can be on top toolbar in every ap)
Shape Services IM+ ( great instant messanging app )
PPC geeks battery and performance reg hack
acbPowerMeter ( shows how much power apps consume, good for measuring 3g versus no internet use )
Blue Frog Touch Dialer, (htc diamond style dialer , skinable , bigger button layout very cool )
Led Killer 3.1 ( disables annoying flashing green service led )
HTC home plugin schen 2.10 ( nice gui mod, for weather and apps)
Youtubeplay
Total Commander
lokmeup IE Slow Scroll Fix
Google maps
Cloudyfa EsmertecJbed ( java)
PocketCM keyboard
RARLab pocket rar
Sipchange ( change keyboard tool )
someguy sMMS ( adds ability to send picture sms , providing you get your key from the sprint website)
PocketIRC ( mirc application)
Oxios memory ( free tool to free up unused memory)
TRE Pocket PC (free registry editor)
I did about 3 hard reset to the phone (for testing purposes), and all the sudden the myfavs program does not appear after I did the hard reset the 4th time, I did the hard reset about 2 more times and it did not restore the myfavs program (it suppose to back to its factory settings)
Now I keep getting "your myfaves contacts have been restored" text message every time time I turn on the phone (keeps pilling up with this same text message)which your suppose to only get once.
under the memory setting; storage & program seems to have the exactly same file size as when i had myfavs before.
What can I do? all I want is the default factory settings.. help me.
Hah! You survived longer than I did with it. I hard reset once just to clean my phone up before I started messing with anything (messing with the ROM, etc.) and the MyFaves app disappeared completely from the little tray bar at the bottom and the Today Screen.
Interestingly if you dig around with the file browser in the \windows\ directory I can see all the MyFav5 related applications, but nothing launches.
I'm tempted to try the RUU but to be honest the MyFaves program just ate a ton of memory and resulted in me calling people on accident when I had the Today Screen Plug-in active. So as long as the plan still gets accounted correctly (read as: I don't get charged for calling my 5 people),I don't really care.
I thought I'd let you know you aren't the only one out there with the exact same problem. I would like a solution but it isn't mission critical for me.
I found a solution to your problem. I'll do some more testing later. For now:
Could you look in your \Windows\ directory of your phone and tell me what "My*" applications and files are listed there? (You might have to make the basic file explorer show all files by using Menu>Show All Files).
All the "My" files that are in windows directory (revised & no file missing or mistyped). The some files are repeated to I placed the filesize next to them.
My5_Land
My5_Land.swf.0409
My5_Port.swf.0409
My5app
My5Client
My5ControllerPanelPlugin
My5MsgCenter 138k
My5MsgCenter 30b
My5PimProvider
My5service
My5Today_MaskCircle
My5Today_MaskRing
MyFave
MyFaves 19.1k
MyFaves 29b
MyFaves_add
MyFaves_hourglass
MyFaves_PhCDefault
MyFaves_sihouette
MyFavesApp_3DMask
MyFavesApp_74x743DMask
MyFavesApp_ContactMask
MyFaves-plugin
MyFavTodayPlugin
Myinfo.96
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All the "My" files that are in windows directory (revised & no file missing or mistyped). The some files are repeated to I placed the filesize next to them.
My5_Land
My5_Land.swf.0409
My5_Port.swf.0409
My5app
My5Client
My5ControllerPanelPlugin
My5MsgCenter 138k
My5MsgCenter 30b
My5PimProvider
My5service
My5Today_MaskCircle
My5Today_MaskRing
MyFave
MyFaves 19.1k
MyFaves 29b
MyFaves_add
MyFaves_hourglass
MyFaves_PhCDefault
MyFaves_sihouette
MyFavesApp_3DMask
MyFavesApp_74x743DMask
MyFavesApp_ContactMask
MyFaves-plugin
MyFavTodayPlugin
Myinfo.96
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My5Service.exe is the key application. I wanted to make sure you had all the bits to the MyFaves program. The reason you see duplicate names with different file sizes is that the File Explorer program that you have on your hand held suppresses extensions of files for whatever idea.
Now then to fix your problem you are going to need to edit the registry of your device (I used total commander, the .CAB is in one of the Useful cab threads).
A key is missing from the registry after hard reset. WOO!!
Go to \\registry\\HKLM\init\ (using total commander's akward directory structure style)
You then have to add a new key, I used "Launch94" as I was noticing most of the T-Mo crapware was using the Launch9# series of keys
Then edit the key's data to be: My5Service.exe (Must be spelled correctly)
Basically what you did was add in a registry key that tells windows to load up the MyFaves service at boot so all the my faves apps will initialize properly. Putting My5Service.exe into the \windows\startup\ folder doesn't work (I tried it initially).
Soft reset and the phone will act wonky for a second as it is refreshing itself, don't panic. A box popped up saying "MyFaves display set to ON" and all was well at that point.
Then, since you want factory default I'd just remove Total Commander using the add/remove programs feature.
Good lookin out!!!
thanks alot, it did it and it worked.
I made an attemp to reformat the phone again, and myfavs appeared. Funny How I never managed to get that total commander for this phone. Lol im an experience user with registries (now gonna experiment with the register editor an tweak the phone to make phone faster and remove useless I don't need)
Thanks lot you have been helpful and gave fast support!!
Ah well no insult to your ability or experience was meant. I try to be as specific in my write ups as possible so others who might have the same problem can understand the solution, regardless of ability. Tends to make my life at work a lot easier when I do that so it's become a bit of a habit.
Glad it worked for ya and I'm actually surprised it survived another format. But hey all it says is there is some glitchy code in the re-install portion T-Mo has built.
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(now gonna experiment with the register editor an tweak the phone to make phone faster and remove useless I don't need)
Thanks lot you have been helpful and gave fast support!!
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By the way, let me know what tweaks you try. I'd be interested in them myself.
Good seeing people help each other out. The speed tweaks are everywhere, but to remove things you have to recook and flash your phone. (Alternatively, you can flash one of the many available ROMs our cooks have already made or made a custom one based on my own through the link on my signature.)
i got a quick Question how about trying to add it to a already cooked rom is that possible ? bc i love the PDAVIET-ROM BUILD 20931.1.5.0.PV(uploaded) rom but the myfaves tab dont work
does anyone have the my faves.cab?
So, lately...
I've been a little curious as to whether or NOT other members of the community are anything like myself; in a sense that sometimes you may install an application, primarily a system utility when you ALREADY have one, if not several on your device.
I sometimes find myself almost looking for reasons to remove some of the utilities, but then I have some kind of "innermonologue" experience, thus convincing myself that I should keep them, because they may eventually become useful.
Here's a list of utilities I currently have installed:
SK Tools
Memory Maid
Resco File Explorer
Total Commander
Pocket Mechanic
Pocket Defragment Kit
Now, my question is... would you, YES YOU... consider this to be "overkill" or relatively reasonable, considering each application serves a purpose?
Overkill
I find it similar to having a set of sockets in my tool box with 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" ratchet handles and 3 different sizes of pliers.
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I find it similar to having a set of sockets in my tool box with 1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" ratchet handles and 3 different sizes of pliers.
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HAHA I was thinking and about to say the exact same thing!
Yes, especially with the nature of WM (good and bad), I'd much rather have more tools and therefore accessiblity options...just like on my desktop pc.
Unless any utilities have 100% overlapping functionality, I'll install whatever ones have or likely will come in handy at some point. For me, I think it's just a combination of always being proud of when I have the right tool handy for any circumstance, and annoyed as hell when I don't.
I think it's a direct corollary to the same instinct that causes me to keep my "manpurse" backpack stocked with everything from bandaids to duct tape to sharpie marker to umbrella to charging cables to spare (backup) wired headphones to.... you get the idea
EDIT: most of the utility apps we use are relatively small as well, and especially on the HD2 there's plenty of room for as many as you want really
Well, I certainly feel "less neurotic."
I suppose only Texas guys have the questions and the answers.
Anyway, yeah... I just didn't know if others out there, even with our 1GB ROM, felt as if they were overdoing it when it came to system utilities on their device.
I dont think its overkill. Im a little ocd when it comes to things like task killing and such. I run clean ram like 4 or 5 times a day even when my phone is running fine. As long as they all serve a purpose.
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I dont think its overkill. Im a little ocd when it comes to things like task killing and such. I run clean ram like 4 or 5 times a day even when my phone is running fine. As long as they all serve a purpose.
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Yeah, I hear that...
I use Memory Maid and my RAM Defragment utilities pretty often.
Most folks don't realize that Memory Maid includes TONS and TONS of system features, very much like Resco does... and I suppose SK Tools fits in that category as well.
I clear my temporary cache files and all the junk every 4-5 hours. And I run the RAM Defragment process typically once or twice per soft reset.
I suppose as long as I know that I have the BEST possible system utilities on my device, then I'm never worried about keeping my phone neat n' tidy.
Since it seems that some of you are running SK Tools on the HD2, I would like to ask if there is a hack to get it to work on the device?
I installed SK Tools to my new HD2 today. Latest stock T-Mo ROM of HD2, and latest version of SK Tools. SK tools has both QVGA and VGA versions available for download. The HD2 is neither of those, but close to VGA, so I used that one.
It installed fine. However, when I tried to run it, only error messages, I could not get the app to run, finally uninstalled it.
How did you get SK Tools to run on the HD2?
lol i had the same list of apps as the OP but realized the paid version of SKtools was all I really needed.
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I agree with the last poster, that SK Tools is probably the best of these apps.
As i wrote though, I cannot get it to work on the HD2. It installed fine, but does not run.
Any hints on getting it to work? Does it need to be installed into main memory on the HD2, not the storage card?
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Any hints on getting it to work? Does it need to be installed into main memory on the HD2, not the storage card?
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Why dont you just try it. Cant hurt. Only takes 10 seconds...
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Why dont you just try it. Cant hurt. Only takes 10 seconds...
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Of course I could "just try it". That really needs no saying.
However, since I had a problem when I tried running it before, I am asking if others have had such a problem with it, and how they resolved it?
That is what these forums are for!
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I agree with the last poster, that SK Tools is probably the best of these apps.
As i wrote though, I cannot get it to work on the HD2. It installed fine, but does not run.
Any hints on getting it to work? Does it need to be installed into main memory on the HD2, not the storage card?
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i'm not sure why you can't get it to run. mines is installed on my sd card. i'm using a class 6 8gb. what version are you trying to run?
i'm using the paid version 4.5.1.4 win mobile version for wvga phones. there's a new version out but i haven't updated to it nor tried it out yet.
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i'm not sure why you can't get it to run. mines is installed on my sd card. i'm using a class 6 8gb. what version are you trying to run?
i'm using the paid version 4.5.1.4 win mobile version for wvga phones. there's a new version out but i haven't updated to it nor tried it out yet.
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My SK Tools is also paid for, and I think version 4.5.1.4. as well, which I think is the newest version, or at least was as of a couple days ago.
I did not see a specific WVGA version on the SK Tools site. I saw a QVGA version, and a VGA version, which I think is also for WVGA. Of course, I downloaded and installed the latter.
who needs 2 or more file explorers? who needs more then one wifi utility? pick the one that does as much as possible and is reliable and finger friendly. i even stopped using RAM cleaner.
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who needs 2 or more file explorers? who needs more then one wifi utility? pick the one that does as much as possible and is reliable and finger friendly. i even stopped using RAM cleaner.
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Even chuck norris uses 2 fists
I didn't see anyone mention my 2 other heavy hitters:
1. fdcsoft task manager v3.1
2. schaps advanced config v3.3
I use fdcsoft task manager's RegEdit component all the time, not as fast as TotalCommander, but it's way faster than sktools. Besides, a full registry export with RegEdit takes only 4megs, so I do it all the time before any program install, compared to sktools 80megs just for the registry(not counting the 300meg full backup), which is near impossible to search when i need to retrace my steps. The fdcsoft's ".reg" export is just like that from totalcommander, and could be read with any text editor.
A big problem I have is that schaps advanced config, which i find useful sometimes, can conflict and overlap sktools and bsbtweaks, which i rarely use. None of these 3 have a "Before" snapshot, so barely opening and closing one of them can save some of their preconfigured settings, and I won't know what changed until i come across a tweak which i'm sure i changed, but was reset by one of them, and I'll have to set it again. Anyone bothered by this?
btw, i don't have resco.
hello fellow chefs
i have a problem that whas brought to my attention by a user of my blackstone rom
he uses sygic as navigation and he wanted to calculate a route from netherlands to france and it cant finish calculating as it says it runs out of memory:s
when i tap the taskmaanger it mostly says arround 60% so i gues there is enough also when i look at storage in taskmanager it says
total 191.05 mb
in use 93 mb
free 98.05 mb (these valeus are after a soft reset with 49%)
there is more free then in use so i guess there is enough
also he pointed me to a program where you could test ram wich isnt working on my rom but is working on multiple other roms he has used:S
i also tried it myself by downloading sygic and i came to the same conclusion:S
also the program tells me the same when i want to do a ram check
when i start the program it says at least 21.25 mb free space is needed on the storage device
when i look at taskmanger at the storage section it tells me i have 255 mb free:S
you guys can downlaod the program here: http://rapidshare.com/files/334876190/pocketmechanic.2.99.283.CBD.zip
its a free program so no warezlink
when you instal the program and open it you have the option card benchmark
there you can choose over wich memory you want to perform it
when i say ram it tells me 15% of my ram is used and
302.25mb, 84.68% free
by my calculation 84% of 302 is way more then then the 21 mb the cecker talks about:-o
hope some one can help me solve this strange ram problem as i think the calculation fails of the strange ram thing
edit: gonna put the memorymap from my buildlog here maybe you can see something there
as it says by ram 43 free:-o still its more then the 21 the ram chacker talks about:s
Code:
Memory Map...
SLOT 0: 0x02000000 - 0x018b0000 (END: 0x00060000, 0 MODULES)
0x02000000 - 0x01fc0000 - ROM 0
0x01f80000 - 0x018b0000 - ROM 1
SLOT 1: 0x04000000 - 0x02020000 (END: 0x02020000, 211 MODULES)
SLOT 60: 0x7a000000 - 0x78e40000 (END: 0x78020000, 52 MODULES)
SLOT 61: 0x7c000000 - 0x7a022000 (END: 0x7a020000, 239 MODULES)
RAM IMAGE: 0x80000000 - 0x803e6560
RAM: 0x803e7000 - 0x80475000 - Used for kernel modules
0x80475000 - 0x83000000 - 43 MB free
bumping my 1 post question and got another one
can someone share the htc in call recoreder package including certificates?
thanks in advance
It's probably running out of virtual memory in the slot used by sygic.
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It's probably running out of virtual memory in the slot used by sygic.
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and can this be changed cause he says he only has the problem with the rom i make:S
How big do you have the datacache (and others in boot.rgu) set? Maybe that's a problem, if it's too big. You should run virtualmemory.exe while the app is running to see if the problem is virtual memory management.
every setting i have is found here on xda so i gues everybody should have the problem then as all of them are in hd2 general section
also the bootrgu i have changed one thing there wich is
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\FLASHDRV\FATFS]
"DataCacheSize"=dword:00001000 ;4096 sectors(4096*2048=8MB)
normally this whas at 4 mb but found it in a pdf from da_g i believe that you could set it to 8 but on the default valeu and the 8 mb valeu does the same
so i dont thing its this setting thats interferring:-o
will try that program you mentioned
anything special i need to look at there
edit: any chance you can point in the direction where to download that program as i cant seem to find it only source code:S
edit2: never mind after some more googling i found you already posted it somewhere thanks
maybe bit of a noob question but where does the program puts the snapshot:-o
i made two but i cant seem to find them stored anywhere:-o
You need to take a screen-cap; it doesn't save the snapshots for you.
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You need to take a screen-cap; it doesn't save the snapshots for you.
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lol
i saw snapshot so i thought it whas to make a picture
here is a foto of the phone in idle after a day of use
i first did the snapshot as im not sure what it does
can you see something strange on the picture?
So, you don't have sygic running in that one? Slot 15 is pretty porky; what process is that? You need to scroll left and right to see the processes for each slot. You may need to run vol d-pad to do that on the HD, though. Slots 9 and 10 have low-lying dll's (or some other resource). I suspect that what happens is that sygic loads a resource that is even lower, and maybe it crunches into slot 2 (filesys.exe) or the process in 15. The other possibility is that sygic creates really large heaps when it's doing big calculations (>250 km), and then the memory grows up in that slot to the level where those lower lying dll's are in slots 9 and 10. Even though those dll's (if that's what they are, and not some type of static resource) may not load into the sygic slot, the memory manager still accounts for them in all of the VM slots, so they will limit how big the heaps can grow in any process.
If I were you, I'd run sygic and do a VM snapshot. Also, get devhealth.exe (search on it), run it, and see what those dll's are in slots 9 and 10. They may be the issue. Mainly, see if their shared or static (like a .plg file in tcpmp). Of course, I could be totallly wrong about this, lol.
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So, you don't have sygic running in that one? Slot 15 is pretty porky; what process is that? You need to scroll left and right to see the processes for each slot. You may need to run vol d-pad to do that on the HD, though. Slots 9 and 10 have low-lying dll's (or some other resource). I suspect that what happens is that sygic loads a resource that is even lower, and maybe it crunches into slot 2 (filesys.exe) or the process in 15. The other possibility is that sygic creates really large heaps when it's doing big calculations (>250 km), and then the memory grows up in that slot to the level where those lower lying dll's are in slots 9 and 10. Even though those dll's (if that's what they are, and not some type of static resource) may not load into the sygic slot, the memory manager still accounts for them in all of the VM slots, so they will limit how big the heaps can grow in any process.
If I were you, I'd run sygic and do a VM snapshot. Also, get devhealth.exe (search on it), run it, and see what those dll's are in slots 9 and 10. They may be the issue. Mainly, see if their shared or static (like a .plg file in tcpmp). Of course, I could be totallly wrong about this, lol.
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muchias gracias for youre help farmer ted
i opend up that virtual memory again and changed to different things
then i opend sygic and took a snapshot again
as you can see its going into slot 14 and every time i took a snapshot the bar went up showing more green(green means in use?)
i just looked up that slot without sygic and it tells me its the slot of tmail.exe
dont think tmail does much in that slot or its a big thing
also on the end i have all those empty slots cant it be reasignd to a new slot so it has a full bar(see the screenshot with sygic calculating a route)
will also try the program you mentioned when i get back from doing my things today as i have some appointments
edit: see you also asked what slot 15 is when i look it up it tells me its manilla.exe and im running sense2.5 from leo 3.04 so it could be heavy
Well, that's it, then. It sounds like sygic has a massive memory leak, if the heap size keeps growing. And this just confirms what I've known since the first day I got my Fuze: Manila sucks, lol.
I'm not sure why the slot 9 and 10 dll's are loaded so low. What processes are those? Maybe something in startup is causing it, and can be fixed.
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Well, that's it, then. It sounds like sygic has a massive memory leak, if the heap size keeps growing. And this just confirms what I've known since the first day I got my Fuze: Manila sucks, lol.
I'm not sure why the slot 9 and 10 dll's are loaded so low. What processes are those? Maybe something in startup is causing it, and can be fixed.
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thank god inever uused sygic then as it seems a stupid deep going problem
as for manilla sucks im not sure about it
the hd is my first htc device and i think the experience is nice(better then all samsungs i had
for the slots i will write them all down maybe thats easier then asking what is this and what is that(check code box below)
further when i look at windows/startup i have three things there
htc startup, pkg, and poutlook
the htcstartup also has a speaker infront of it with a x behind the speaker(hope you get what i mean)
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slot1: rom dlls
slot2: filesys.exe
slot3: cprog.exe
slot4: backportrait.exe
slot5: device.exe
slot6: gwes.exe(this is a colorfull rom so i can imagine its a little high:p)
slot7: shell32.exe
slot8: virtualmemory.exe
slot9: fexplore.exe
slot10: services.exe
slot11: connmgr.exe
slot12: repllog.exe
slot13: empty
slot14: tmail.exe(sygic will be loaded in this one)
slot15: manilla.exe
slot16: jblenddaemon.exe(have read this can turned off from startup to save a little ram what do you think about that?)
slot17: commmanager.exe
slot18: empty
slot19: empty
slot20: sapsettings
the rest are all empty
I would say remove jblenddaemon.exe; it must be a java app? If you don't use java, there's no reason to have it running. You might sapsettings.exe from startup as well, if you're not using it at all. I removed it a long time ago, but I don't use bluetooth much, and when I do, it works fine without sapsettings. I think I read that it's for connecting to you car or something for hands free.
It's weird that you have the lower lying dll's (if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing in slots 9 and 10). They definitely seem to be the wall that driver.exe is running into. I also don't know what's up with fexplore.exe. It's using a lot of VM. Is that the extended file explorer? Last time I used it, it would eat a lot of ram if you highlight pics and it showed the previews.
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I would say remove jblenddaemon.exe; it must be a java app? If you don't use java, there's no reason to have it running. You might sapsettings.exe from startup as well, if you're not using it at all. I removed it a long time ago, but I don't use bluetooth much, and when I do, it works fine without sapsettings. I think I read that it's for connecting to you car or something for hands free.
It's weird that you have the lower lying dll's (if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing in slots 9 and 10). They definitely seem to be the wall that driver.exe is running into. I also don't know what's up with fexplore.exe. It's using a lot of VM. Is that the extended file explorer? Last time I used it, it would eat a lot of ram if you highlight pics and it showed the previews.
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thanks for the quick overview
the jblenddeamon is the java app
i personally never used it but there are some people using my rom who do use it:-o
guess it will be activated when they start up jblend
im gonna build a rom with jblend and the sapsettings taken out of the bootlauncher and gonna try it again to see what happens
also the file explorer is the normal fexplorer from the 21911 sys
it looks to me the verry same as every other file explorer i have seen on other roms so no preview of pictures you think i need a different fexlorer.exe?
and if so can you recommend one
I was just wondering if you were using the extended file explorer (2.06, I think; by Houming). It's pretty cool, but I personally use total commander and almost never use file explorer, so I don't use the extended on anymore, either. I was never able to make a package with it that worked, so I just did a cab install during customization. The cab is kind of weird, and I can't say I understand how it works. It actually loads up two file explorers (should have remembered that, and known yours wasn't the extended one). I attached the cab for 2.06-I packed this one, and it's compressed and doesn't have the uninstall crap loaded into it.
Sapsettings just doesn't seem to do anything. It doesn't use much memory, but you get quicker boot times when you take stuff like that out of the queue. If anyone really needs it to run, you can just give them a shortcut. You can always just remover the registry keys from your own device after a flash.
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I was just wondering if you were using the extended file explorer (2.06, I think; by Houming). It's pretty cool, but I personally use total commander and almost never use file explorer, so I don't use the extended on anymore, either. I was never able to make a package with it that worked, so I just did a cab install during customization. The cab is kind of weird, and I can't say I understand how it works. It actually loads up two file explorers (should have remembered that, and known yours wasn't the extended one). I attached the cab for 2.06-I packed this one, and it's compressed and doesn't have the uninstall crap loaded into it.
Sapsettings just doesn't seem to do anything. It doesn't use much memory, but you get quicker boot times when you take stuff like that out of the queue. If anyone really needs it to run, you can just give them a shortcut. You can always just remover the registry keys from your own device after a flash.
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just a quick update as im in a hurry
need to go away to arrange some things for my house in 15 min and i still need to shower:-o
i made a rom without those two thins and damn the rom has bacome faster
also the virtualmemory looks a lot emptier:-o
will post screenshot later today when im finished arranging things
also tried sygic and it managed to calculate alot further but still missing 200 km of the route i want it to be calculated:-o
do you know the differnece between poutlook and tmail.exe?
maybe i can take one of those two out
I'm not really sure what the difference is, to be honest. I don't run either at startup. I don't text much and almost never email, but regardless, you can still do it w/o any issues. I guess maybe outlook loads quicker with one or the other running. I run 11 processes at startup:
nk.exe
filesys.exe
device.exe
gwes.exe
services.exe
shell32.exe
connmgr.exe
cprog.exe
AEBPlus.exe (AE Button)
SpeedBmonitor.exe (Speed Booster; sort of helps, doesn't use much memory)
XHook.exe (XTask task manager)
I also have a shortcut that runs at startup to expand the file dialogue and another to activate resco keyboard, but those processes only run a few seconds each.
That's just 11 processes; the first 6 are mandatory, the next 2 are needed for most things (although you can kill them for maybe a little better performance gaming or something like that-you definitely don't need cprog on an airplane), and the latter 3 are just apps that I run/use all the time. I don't miss any of the other processes, and with fewer processes going, you get faster boot times. My fuze usually boots in 60-65 seconds, which is pretty nice.
well used the rom for a day now as i flashed it yesterday evening before i went to bed
the strangest thing is jblend has activated itself:-o
wonder what triggerd it to get activated as i havent opend java:S
i only used messenegr a little today but its windows its own messenger so i dont think its java related:S
you have any idea what could have opend the jblend?
also the order of what is where has changed but i dont think that does matter as i think all slots are equal of size or have they different sizes?
i will also post a screenshot of the new virtual memory but with jblend in it and sygic gets loaded in that one when i start it up:S
im totally starting to hate this program
you think the screenshots looks better now on how everything is managed?
also i read somewhere if i format my memorycard with bigger clusters it will become faster
what do you think about that?
could this speed up route calculating as the maps or on my sd card
also i will try to remove some more from the startup and hopefully this will give me better sygic calculating things
again thansk or helping em with this probblem as i think i cant solve this alone
Code:
slot1: rom dlls
slot2: filesys.exe
slot3: backportrait.exe
slot4: virtualmemory.exe
slot5: device.exe
slot6: gwes.exe
slot7: shell32
slot8: fexplore.exe
slot9: manila.exe
slot10: services.exe
slot11: connmgr.exe
slot12: cprog.exe
slot13: poutlook.exe
slot14: tmail.exe
slot15: commmanager.exe
slot16: jblendeamon.exe
the rest are all empty
I would check the jblend package and make sure there's not a reg key that's starting it up in the .reg file. The order of processes in the slots depends on the order that the processes are booted up. You can get some processes in an early slot just because there's some transient processes initiated during bootup that only run briefly, then close, which re-opens the slot for the next process in line. If you kill cprog, then start another app, it will go into cprog's slot, so then if you restart cprog, it will be in slot 13 or something like that.
Larger cluster sizes definitely speed up an sd card; I have a 16 g card, which normally had 32 kb clusters. I lowered it once to 4 kb clusters, which freed up maybe 100 mb of memory, but scanning the card became nearly impossible. Normally, if I run scandisk (I do it daily), it takes 5 min. But it would take 40 min or so with the smaller cluster size. Also, benchmarking showed that writing to the card was a lot slower (reading too, I think).
You still seem to have some low lying dll's in slots 9 and 10, which is weird.
Eg, when using Task Manager on PC, i go to the CPU prosess tab and now im able to change the CPU priority of any program to: very high/high/medium/low/very low.
Can we do this with WM?
Rn
You can set the priority level of a thread, not of a process.
The system scheduler works quite different from desktop Windows. A thread with a priority level above normal can lock the entire system. An application must be designed very well if it want to change the priority level of one of its threads.
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id like to 'trial and error'.
i understand the risk of locking the system = my own fault if it does.
but id still like to know your info about the system scheduler and changing the priorties please.
even if i cant get it to do what i want, ill still learn something new
Rn
ps, thanks for your reply
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but id still like to know your info about the system scheduler and changing the priorties please.
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Here you find to both subjects a very good answer.
Just install dotfred's task manager, and set the priorities with it. If you screw up, it doesn't matter. A soft reset restores them to the stock configuration.
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cheers dude, ill download and try it now.
Rn
update
i tried dot fred TM, but didnt like it though :/
cant i just add a .reg for each specific program that i want to have a higher cpu priority?
eg, something like this:
Dword="priority256", Value="XXX"
("XXX" = eg: "255" is normal priority)
???
Rn
raving_nanza said:
i tried dot fred TM, but didnt like it though :/
cant i just add a .reg for each specific program that i want to have a higher cpu priority?
eg, something like this:
Dword="priority256", Value="XXX"
("XXX" = eg: "255" is normal priority)
???
Rn
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Not that I'm aware of; this stuff isn't set in the registry, except for a few thread priorities for the file system that are in the boot.rgu, and aren't user accessible. You can get a program called Speedbooster that will automatically watch for specific processes opening, and will then adjust thread priorities to however you want them. Wait, I'll save you the time and money, because it sucks. It changes all thread priorities for a given process, and most of the time makes things worse instead of better. You're better off just doing it with a task manager manually for a while, and then giving up and realizing it's a waste of time. Lol.
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Wait, I'll save you the time and money, because it sucks. It changes all thread priorities for a given process, and most of the time makes things worse instead of better.
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Yeah i already found SpeedBooster on google but its not freeware, which cant be cooked into roms
I suppose it would be cool if someone develops an app dedicated to do this = no task manager, no nonsense, no nothing, just a simple small app which lets you select a program and set its priority.. Simples!
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and then giving up and realizing it's a waste of time. Lol.
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Basicly i wanted to increase the priority of Total Commander and Opera10 because their the main two programs i use. (probably the main two programs everyone uses.)
I think your right though dude, ill take your advice and give up now before i do waste my time, my precious ORD time! lol
Cheers dude!
Rn
I tried increasing the priorities of PIE and UCWEB with sppedbooster, and the problem is that it slows down finger-scrolling dramatically, to the point that the browsers were unusable. You can make a sppedbooster package, but just not distribute it. I cooked it in for a while, when I was determined to convince myself I hadn't blown twenty bucks on a piece of crap.
Why do you need to speed up total commander? I use it all the time, too, and it's pretty snappy. I'd suggest limiting the number of processes and not using manila to optimize speed.
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I tried increasing the priorities of PIE and UCWEB with sppedbooster, and the problem is that it slows down finger-scrolling dramatically, to the point that the browsers were unusable. You can make a sppedbooster package, but just not distribute it. I cooked it in for a while, when I was determined to convince myself I hadn't blown twenty bucks on a piece of crap. Why do you need to speed up total commander? I use it all the time, too, and it's pretty snappy. I'd suggest limiting the number of processes and not using manila to optimize speed.
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i wanted to speed up total commander because its slow at accessing some folders eg, accessing the windows folder, there is a lag i dont like waiting for and increasing the cpu priorities for TC would reduce this lag
ive deleted the manila package, it eats up way too much storage/ram, so iv made my own skin for a today screen, which is aprox 1mb.
obviously manila is eye candy but im prepared to loose it for the increase in storage/ram.
i also didnt want manila in my rom due to the fact i dont actually like it, ok some stuff is cool eg, album and audio manager the way they rotate and the slide effect but its so gdam popular so most roms look the same, i wanted my rom to be differant. (i didnt want to be a sheep )
you gave me an idea for increasing the touch velocity of the finger scrolling, could anyone tell me whats the highest velocity were able to use?
(both up and down velocities? )
is there one for left and right?
(obviously there must be, but do you know whats it called so i can find it?)
thanks again dude!
Rn
The easiest way to speed up access to the windows folder is just to select 'hide files in rom' in the settings. Then you can get into it quickly. Looking at rom files is pretty useless most of the time, anyway. The downside is that TC then doesn't show the plugins folder in the device root. You can also set shortcuts on the hotlist to folders you might want to access, like startup or the start menu. Finally, you can just limit the number of rom files during cooking to speed things up; the fewer the better, obviously.
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The easiest way to speed up access to the windows folder is just to select 'hide files in rom' in the settings. Then you can get into it quickly. Looking at rom files is pretty useless most of the time, anyway.
The downside is that TC then doesn't show the plugins folder in the device root. You can also set shortcuts on the hotlist to folders you might want to access, like startup or the start menu. Finally, you can just limit the number of rom files during cooking to speed things up; the fewer the better, obviously.
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id rather have everything viewable in the rom rather than to hide files, useless or not. im sure everyone else would probably do the same, that way you can see exactly what you have got.
i also like to have hidden files always viewable on my pc too. eg, in my kitchen nothing is hidden, ive went through every folder and almost every file has had its hidden properties removed, including the files that dont un-hide when using the hidden files toggle on pc, which was weird
the plugin folder is one of the main functions i use TC for as i dont use regedit.exe or any other registry viewer other than TC. so i wouldnt want to be dissabling that function, if i dissable it i may as well add fexplore.exe back into the rom and use that instead
yeah, thats one of the good things about TC = the ability to create shortcuts with the >>>, however i always make them myself with a good old .txt file with the link wrote inside
agreed, the less files the better, obviously lol
at the moment my rom for blackstone is 103mb ... storage is aprox (18 - 20mb) ... ram is aprox (40 - 50mb) in use after the initial first boot and customisation.
ill search my kitchen for the finger velocity up/down scroll tonight.
if i can improve the scroll ill be nbecause the scroll is really crap!
Rn
btw:
if anyone wants to Alpha test my rom then private message me because i wont be uploading it for public use untill its Beta.
im just finishing the today screen skin but ill start letting people Alpha test it after that.
(basicly to find bugs, recomendations bla bla bla.)
I totally forgot this, but the process manager in sk tools has an option to create shortcuts with a command line that will change priorities. You could create one for total commander, and then use a mortscript that would launch TC, maybe wait a few seconds, then run the shortcut to bump up the priority.