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Roaming Symbol Problem

I just recently bought a Rogers HTC Magic, rooted the phone, and unlocked it. Everything seems to work completely fine. At the moment however, I seem to be having an issue with a Bell Mobility sim card. Bell's HSPA sim works fine, and I seem to be able to use voice and data ok, but the problem lies in that their seems to be a roaming symbol ("R") on my reception bar. Im using the phone in my local calling area which is somewhat misleading to me.
Im using MyHero 2.0.5 ROM at the moment. Does anyone know why this is happening? Thanks in advance!

Agreed
I'm doing the same thing. I'm running cyanogens roms and I get the same thing. Best I can tell is that this is normal on the magic. Just be careful if you live near the border like I do.

I figured this was normal too. I guess i'll try other SIM cards to see what they say as well, thanks!

Ya I also have this phone running on Bell, wish I could get rid of the roaming. It also asks if I want to connect once in a while too.

Shouldn't the romaing be dictated by the sim? I have a bell sim, on the bell network, why do I get the roaming icon? is there a way to change the phone so it doesn't think it's a rogers and not roaming or something?

Are you sure you have the Bell APN Settings and not the Rogers Settings in the phone?
Settings -> Wireless Control -> Mobile Network Settings -> Access Point Names
If it says Rogers you're Roaming on the Rogers Network.

I put in the bell APN. I don't think we can even roam on rogers network, wouldn't work. Either way, it's the Bell APN.

I don't have a clue as to the differences between Bell and Rogers sims... but I can tell you that my HTC Magic, on Rogers, with a Rogers sim (duh), running Amon_RA's most excellent RAv1.6.2H only shows roaming when actually roaming.
I was in the US yesterday and watched it flip from a Rogers tower to ATT. I was watching to make sure it was not using any data when roaming on a US network. The symbol, lockscreen info and the carrier listed in the status pulldown all were updated correctly.
It might have something to do with the ROM you are running. However I bet that given the phone came from Rogers, it has some carrier info buried somewhere that it is comparing to the carrier you are on (Bell) and triggering the roaming status.
If you disable data when roaming in the settings menu, what does it do? If it disables data, then the phone thinks it is roaming, which would support my carrier data mixup theory.

I will try a different rom on the phone. Unless someone knows for sure what I can do to fix this.
If you disable roaming there is no data, because once in a while it prompts to connect, if you say no, you get nothing. Sometimes my wife must accidentally hit no (its her phone, she probably says no cause shes not sure what it does). I just want to make it so she does not get the prompt ever (settings are all set).

I have a rogers HTC Magic (unlocked) I'm using a fido sim, it thinks its roaming as-well but I have only fido apn settings. It only roams with certain roms and radio's. I can use alot of roms eg. cyanogen,Hero HOFO 308,GYD 2.1.1 without roaming but when I update radio and flash cursorsense roms it thinks it is roaming. I have to enable data roaming in order to get a 3G signal. as a fido user I dial *#123# to see if I'm in my local zone zone. A fido tech rep told me that most unlocked phones indicate roaming because of the phones hardware programing. The hard programing of the phones checks the sim and sees that it is using a diff sim card and starts indicating roaming when in fact you are not. A rogers salesman also told me the same thing. He said as long as your carrier is displayed on your phone homescreen then you are good.

I have the AT&T Tilt, not running the AT&T ROM. I've tested a few different SIM cards on my phone and here's what I've found:
Rogers: Roaming works correctly. In Canada, no roaming indicator, in the USA, roaming is indicated correctly.
Telus & Bell (HSPA): Roaming indicator always on.
I've heard that this may be due to the SIM card listing more than one Mobile Network Code: 302361, 302653, 302657 (original Telus CDMA networks, not compatible with the phone or any kind of SIM-based network so it's uncertain why it would be on the SIM card), PLUS the HSPA network code 302880. It's possible that the phone is not reading that far into the list on the SIM and therefore does not know that 302880 is a home network.

Tilt 2 Roaming Triangle and telus
I'm on Telus and have a Tilt2. The original ROM that came with the unit didn't show the roaming triangle. I have attached some screen captures of the ROM. I've attached a copy of the registry (Remove the .cab it was the only way I could get it to upload).
I'm now running Jackos rom and it does show the roaming triangle.
Hopefully somebody can find where the settings are located and hopefully it's contained in the registry.

Have the same problem on the Stocks ROGERS 1.5 Rom. Sales associate said you should not get roaming charges since you aren't actually roaming and if you do, just contact your phone provider.

rogers htc dream unlocked now on roaming?
i also have a htc dream from rogers unlocked not rooted and my bell sims card works like my phone calls and my text but i can't get my data to work and when i click on the apns theres not thing and i am not able to adjust anything in there, if anyone can help it would be great, so pretty much the bell sims card works but i cant use my data and it says im roaming

hol17 said:
Have the same problem on the Stocks ROGERS 1.5 Rom. Sales associate said you should not get roaming charges since you aren't actually roaming and if you do, just contact your phone provider.
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i also have a htc dream from rogers unlocked not rooted and my bell sims card works like my phone calls and my text but i can't get my data to work and when i click on the apns theres not thing and i am not able to adjust anything in there, if anyone can help it would be great, so pretty much the bell sims card works but i cant use my data and it says im roaming
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If you aren't outside of Canada and you get the roaming symbol; they can not charge you roaming fees.

Roger and Telus PLMN Compared
I'm not sure if this will help,
I have attached a picture of the PLMN from a Rogers sim and a Telus sim
Maybe someone knows how to adjust the information on these lists.

Dave778 said:
A fido tech rep told me that most unlocked phones indicate roaming because of the phones hardware programing. The hard programing of the phones checks the sim and sees that it is using a diff sim card and starts indicating roaming when in fact you are not. A rogers salesman also told me the same thing. He said as long as your carrier is displayed on your phone homescreen then you are good.
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The phone companies in Canada must be less uptight about unlocked/rooted phones
If you asked those questions to a t-mobile or at&t rep, they would straight up refuse to talk to you
American cell phone companies are still stuck in the "Ma Bell" mentality, where everything that touches their network must be under their control

anyone figure out a fix? I'm having these roaming issues as well on the bell network with unlocked at&t phone.

I have Same probleme Here, Bell on a AT&T Tilt 2 phone, Always get Roaming message.
any registry edit or mod available to make it work without these message ?
thks

BiOs2k said:
I have Same probleme Here, Bell on a AT&T Tilt 2 phone, Always get Roaming message.
any registry edit or mod available to make it work without these message ?
thks
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I searched around to a fairly moderate extent and I have found many people with the same problem, yet I can't find any resolution to this issue.
I'm not even sure where the issue lays. Is it with the hardware/firmware? SIM card? Windows Mobile? Is it the rilphone.dll? or maybe some registry entry. Maybe it's on the Bell network side?
Someone told me they put a Rogers SIM into their Fuze and it didn't show up as roaming, yet when they put a Bell SIM in, it's back to roaming. So what's the difference between Bell and Rogers?
Here's a question for anyone who has this problem, when you boot android does it still show as roaming?

Bell Canada HSPA Network: Unlocked AT&T phones appear as roaming all the time

Everyone,
A few of us have been having a conversation over in the Raphael forum about an issue with the new Bell Canada UTMS/HSPA network. Due to Bell not carrying any HTC /HSPA capable phones, many of us have elected to purchase AT&T phones like the Topaz/Pure or Rhodium/Tilt 2 and get them unlocked. We have all been able to setup network connections etc, but the phones register as "roaming" all the time. I'm assuming that this is because Bell has some master list of IMEI codes for their own phones, and that any time a "foreign" phone registers on the network Bell sends it a "roaming" status. Can anyone confirm how this functionality works? We are all using Bell sim cards, and are not being billed for any roaming fees, so we're really not sure why this is happening. This also seems to happen with unlocked Android phones from Rogers when they run on the Bell network, but not with the Nexus One for some reason. Any help would be appreciated.
Link to thread in Raphael forum...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641299

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Bumping this up, does anyone have any insight into this issue?

any updates? I'm having the same issue.

bobzero said:
any updates? I'm having the same issue.
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I still have this issue, I haven't been able to find any way around it.

Bump !.
Tilt 2 on Bell same problem

Same problem here...
My phone unlocked Koodo phone is always roaming with my Fido SIM card.
Phone calls and Data work okay, but Radios are always roaming.
Anybody figure this out?

Nope, after more than a year, I gave up and moved onto a new phone.

[PROBLEM] Roaming Indicator Improperly and Permanently Activated

Greetings. I humbly submit the following problem to the high-IQ section of the forums.
A number of users are experiencing an issue where their roaming indicator is "stuck" always on despite being connected to their home carrier. The majority of these users are Bell and Telus users on the HSPA network which was unveiled in November 2009.
I searched around to a fairly high extent for the last month and I have found many people with the same problem, yet I can't find any resolution to this issue.
I'm personally experiencing this issue with my unlocked AT&T Fuze. Others are having the same issue with their unlocked Tilt 2s and Fuzes. Even odder, expanding beyond just Windows mobile, some android users are having the same issue. But ignoring the android users for the time being....
What conditions need to be met for a windows mobile phone to think that it is roaming?
I'm not even sure where the issue lays. Is it with the hardware/firmware? SIM card? Windows Mobile? Is it the rilphone.dll? The radio? some obscure registry entry? Maybe it's on the Bell network side? Some unholy combination of above factors?
When I put a Rogers SIM card into my Fuze it didn't show up as roaming, yet when I put a Bell SIM in, it showed up as roaming.
Bell has one official windows mobile phone in their HSPA lineup, the Samsung Omnia 2. When you take the same Bell SIM card out of the always roaming Fuze, and put it into the Omnia 2, it correctly shows NO roaming icon.
So what could the Omnia 2 have that fixes this roaming issue?
Any ideas where to start with this one?
only for reference, here are some threads regarding this issue:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583227&page=2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=641299
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621652
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=777437
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683785
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8132643#post8132643
Also, of course no one is actually being charged for their false roaming, the network sees the phone as it should and bills accordingly. Only the phone believes it is roaming. But many programs act differently when they detect that the phone is roaming, it's quite annoying.

Let me try to clarify the problem a bit.
These phones are being tested in Canada, well within the boundary of the Bell Mobility network.
Fuze
Situation 1 BAD
unlocked AT&T Fuze with Bell SIM card connected to the Bell Mobility network = Roaming.
Situation 2 GOOD
same unlocked AT&T Fuze with Rogers SIM card connected to the Rogers network = NOT Roaming.
Omnia II
Situation 3 GOOD
Bell branded Omnia II (Also Windows Mobile) with Bell SIM card connected to the Bell Mobility network = NOT Roaming.
Tilt 2
Situation 4 BAD
unlocked AT&T Tilt 2 with Bell SIM card connected to the Bell Mobility network = Roaming.
Situation 5 GOOD
same unlocked AT&T Tilt 2 with Rogers SIM card connected to the Rogers network = NOT Roaming.
Situations 1 and 4 can also be repeated with a Telus SIM card connected to the Telus network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code#C
Could it be related to the fact that Bell and Telus share a Network?
My Bell MCCMNC is 302-610, while when I scan for networks it shows that I connect to the shared network 302-880. If it is the case, how does the OMNIA II overcome this?
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If you do a registry search and look for "MCCMNC" you should find the first one that is empty. I was looking this when my ATT card was inserted and it said 310410. There was an entry below that said the same.
When I put my telus card in the MCCMNC field is blank, but the one below still said the 310410.
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When I check the registry with my Bell SIM, the same entry is also blank:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction :MCCMNC
I tried to change value to 302880, but value was reset to 0 after soft-reset! of course roaming icon is still showing...
Any way to prevent the key from reverting?

Some people have claimed that flashing to certain stock ROMs will make the roaming indicator disappear - I tested this and found that while the Roaming icon does disappear, the phone still thinks it is roaming, so only the roaming icon is suppressed.
Any one have a suggestion of where to begin to tackle this one?

Well, I can't claim to know that much about roaming.
This is just a hunch, I have no evidence or tech reference to quote this from. I would personally suspect one of: (tower, phone radio, IMEI) / SIM combination.
I can think if "hunch" reasons for either of the above but I will not elaborate on them, as my technical knowledge of the exact workings are not enough to be useful. I know some Dutch users from a provider that was taken up by another provider are permanently roaming according to the device.
However, I am wondering about your statement "I tested this and found that while the Roaming icon does disappear, the phone still thinks it is roaming". How does this "still thinks it is roaming" show up? Do apps still think you are roaming?
If it is just the apps, it is probably possible to make this behaviour disappearing by patching the WM RIL layer. That's not an easy task, though.

Chainfire said:
However, I am wondering about your statement "I tested this and found that while the Roaming icon does disappear, the phone still thinks it is roaming". How does this "still thinks it is roaming" show up? Do apps still think you are roaming?
If it is just the apps, it is probably possible to make this behaviour disappearing by patching the WM RIL layer. That's not an easy task, though.
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Thanks for the response.
What I mean by the statement is that in the notification bar at the top of the screen, there is no roaming icon, however, when I try to use an application, e.g. update the weather, the program will pop-up a warning that I am currently roaming.
Do you have any more information on patching the RIL?

bobzero said:
Thanks for the response.
What I mean by the statement is that in the notification bar at the top of the screen, there is no roaming icon, however, when I try to use an application, e.g. update the weather, the program will pop-up a warning that I am currently roaming.
Do you have any more information on patching the RIL?
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In that case it could probably be solved by patching the RIL. This is off the top of my head though.
As for how to do so, write a proxy RIL that calls the actual RIL, hijack the callbacks, remove the roaming flag. Something like that

I have two Fuzes and I was testing something on the second one when something strange happened. Let me try and explain.
I did a "full backup" using SPB Backup on Fuze A. Took out SIM card and put it into Fuze B and restored backup using "ROM upgrade" mode.
To my surprise, after I rebooted the Fuze B, there was no data roaming icon in the notification bar. We've seen this happen before on some stock ROMs but on those stock ROMs the phone would still think it is roaming if you try to update the weather or use other programs.
So I tried to update the weather, and it did not warn me that I was roaming! I then updated twitter and again no roaming warning! The phone was actually not in a roaming state!
This is when I noticed there were some severe problems with windows:
First, I cannot access the dialer. No way to make a phone call out.
Second, when I receive a call, the phone rings, but there is no way to answer as nothing shows up on screen and the hardware answer button does not work.
Third, in phone options, there is no network selected. Also, no operator string on the sense main screen. Usually displays "3G Bell". Further, the signal meter in the top bar usually shows the bars with an "H" when the data connection is active. Now it only shows a "!" instead. Despite this, the data connection works fine and the phone is not in a roaming state.
I'm not sure what SPB is wrecking when I do the restore, but it's interesting to have a working data connection and not be roaming.

samsung i900 roming solution
you all select your proper region to resolve the roming problem.....
go setting then system, then select regional settings, select your region
like english philippines...
finally restart your phone n u done........ thats all....

onenonlysubhash said:
you all select your proper region to resolve the roming problem.....
go setting then system, then select regional settings, select your region
like english philippines...
finally restart your phone n u done........ thats all....
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If only it were so simple
no one has found a solution for almost 2 years now. Most people have also moved onto new phones, so I don't think there will ever be a solution.

HTC HD2 won't work with TELUS, Canada

Hi Guys,
I have an unlocked TMo HTS HD2. I have used it in Asia and UK without a problem. But when I came back to Canada, I got problems. I am using TELUS here and Telus doesn't seems to support HTC HD2. I checked this site and used their online tool to check the device compatibility. It shows the HTC HD2 is not compatible with TELUS.
I have tried to find information online about what is the problem and possible solutions. But, I have not came across anything that tells what is the issue. Probably there is something to do with HSPA (telus doesnt support HSPA or so).
So, I thought this will be the best place to know what can be the problem and most importantly possible solutions. I really like HD2 and would really want to use it in Canada.
Thanks.

What about it doesn't work? ALL GSM functions, IE calling, SMS, MMS...or is it just data?

Everything. It won't even catch the signal. I can see the signal bars trying to scan the network but then it stops with an exclamation mark.

leon_nerd said:
Everything. It won't even catch the signal. I can see the signal bars trying to scan the network but then it stops with an exclamation mark.
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i think Telus has the Bands that are present in the Telstra HD2, thats why your not able to use it, were you able to use it before tho?

No. I have never used my HD2 with Telus before. Is there anything like a firmware update or a software based solution to this problem?

leon_nerd said:
No. I have never used my HD2 with Telus before. Is there anything like a firmware update or a software based solution to this problem?
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I think you need the Telstra HD2, Tmobile ownt function your phone as it doesnt have the required bands by Telus, try a Rodger or a Fido Sim on your phone and see if you get a connection

My guess is that you've got your HD2 setup to ONLY connect to HSPA - and since they don't support that (edge only) it won't connect. Try changing the setting & see if that works...

[Q] cant get on 3G!

It's there somehow that my dvp could be hsdpa locked ir 3g locked, my sin gets 3g icon on the top on other phones bit there is no way I can get it on mine. How could that be?

If you are on mango:
Settings -> Cellular -> Scroll down and check (slide) the 3G connection

I have the 3G option ON.

nesmsm said:
I have the 3G option ON.
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What OS version do you have and what provider do you have (T-Mobile, ATT, other)

same here, no 3G, just EDGE, running mango in firmware 212, no 3G, my company, TELCEL (mexico)

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What OS version do you have and what provider do you have (T-Mobile, ATT, other)
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Updated to mango a few days ago, didn't tried without mango.
I guess is oem unlocked, no AT&T or t-mobile branding or apps related or nothing.
I'm in a carrier on Costa Rica, they use here HSDPA 850mhz, ALSO tried a wp7 samsung focus at&t branded but unlocked and it GETS 3G and high speed internet with my sim!!! please help!!

Which dell venuo pro do you have. Do you have the ATT or the TMO version? TMO isn't going to work with your provider.

How do I know that? I don´t see anything on the hardware or software related to AT&T or T-mobile or any else, its oem unlocked I guess.
I got and app called "System View" it says under hardware/network/ 2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900, 3G HSDPA 850/1900/2100
I must be missing something

could it be a defective unit??

Dial ##634#
Slide open the keybaord
tap on the blank area of the screen
enter in qwertyuiop
Click on protocol
enter in *#6336#
If you see TMO on that screen you likely have a Tmobile version of the phone and it is not compatible with your carrier. The ATT version is what you wanted.

yes I have the TMO option, and I thought every dvp has the TMO option on the EM. Now I feel ripped off with this phone, are you sure just Tmobile has TMO option on EM?
If the answer is yes then, I'm selling my DVP, someone needing one?
Thanks for your time by the way.

Ever since I upgraded to Mango I haven't had 3g either. It has no 3g APN settings at all. Does anybody have those settings?
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MJCS said:
Dial ##634#
Slide open the keybaord
tap on the blank area of the screen
enter in qwertyuiop
Click on protocol
enter in *#6336#
If you see TMO on that screen you likely have a Tmobile version of the phone and it is not compatible with your carrier. The ATT version is what you wanted.
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So I just did this and it does say TMO. This phone was purchased through AT&T though. I wasn't the person who it was through but it was purchased from AT&T. Does that just mean I'm screwed? Before I upgraded to Mango, it would sometimes go to 3g but only for a little bit then switch right back.

Hmm well I was wrong. My Bad.

Well can somebody post their AT&T 3g APN settings?

I always search APNs names for Costa RIcan provider on google,
For at&t I found this:
APN_______________User Name___________________________Password
wap.cingular [email protected]_________________cingular1
[email protected]_____________________cingular1
Custom____________ APN-specific_______________________ APN-specific
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=1700008
But still, I have my APN configured, and I'm not getting 3G, how is that "System Info" app gets that bands information?, its the only source I have, and even it says 850mhz for hsdpa I can't get it to work here.

That doesn't match the fields my phone has. These are the fields
APN
User name
Password
Proxy server/URL
Proxy port

I just use APN in CR, no user or password, neither proxy.

So I got tired of trying to figure this out, so I deleted the APN completely (which had a scary warning). Instantly after that I got an "H" at the top. The speed difference is noticeable already. Maybe after I leave work it'll go to 3G. We'll see. But one things for sure. The settings it had after that update were holding it back.

I'm having same issue w/ T-Mobile's DVP on T-Mobile's network.
I'm using Simple Mobile which uses T-Mobile's Network & I can't seem to get the 3G Data to work.
Any advice on Fixing this or config. setting I need to input? The Phone is Unlock BTW.

I've tried restoring to nodo from mango official, hard reset the phone twice also, nothing, the only difference now is that the intro pic to the EM app was a cup, now is a dog ?