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Whether you hate to hear this or not

but, everyone loves Touchwiz.
At the onset of SGS release, a large portion of us, excluding me for sure, has harshly criticized the Samsung's iPhone-wannabe TouchWiz UI.
However, I have seen a trend lately. The TouchWiz UI has gained its popularity from other android device communities. For example, TouchWiz launcher has ported to Nexus One and HTC Desire .
What do you think? Love for SGS is emerging? :]
Remember, this is only for discussion sake, no need to flame. It's just an interesting finding for me.

I love it much much more than HTC's Sense because it is like iPhone. It's far more useable and functional this way. My sons and wife thought that it was a new iPhone. In fact, I think the body of the phone looks more iPhone than iPhone 4.

eaglesteve said:
I love it much much more than HTC's Sense because it is like iPhone. It's far more useable and functional this way. My sons and wife thought that it was a new iPhone. In fact, I think the body of the phone looks more iPhone than iPhone 4.
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Ha Ha, well since the iphone 4 is broken and is about to have either a massive recall or suffer endless ridicule, the SGS might just be the "new" iphone

Personally I thought the widgets were annoying, too much clutter in them, like stocks and things that I didn't want, nor need.
The page-flips in the apps-listing was annoying, took me too long to go through it, and it made sorting a *****.
It's buggersome and slow, at least at the moment.
LauncherPro on the other hand, now there's a gem! Grey and sleek icons, sweet previews, and fast, even on the luggy SGS.

Morghus said:
Personally I thought the widgets were annoying, too much clutter in them, like stocks and things that I didn't want, nor need.
The page-flips in the apps-listing was annoying, took me too long to go through it, and it made sorting a *****.
It's buggersome and slow, at least at the moment.
LauncherPro on the other hand, now there's a gem! Grey and sleek icons, sweet previews, and fast, even on the luggy SGS.
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+1. I feel much the same. Launcher Pro makes a big visual difference.
TouchWiz looks nothing like the iPhone -- it's garish and tacky.

I've seen quite the contrary, in fact the first thing i did to my phone was to install HTC sense UI
accinfo said:
but, everyone loves Touchwiz.
At the onset of SGS release, a large portion of us, excluding me for sure, has harshly criticized the Samsung's iPhone-wannabe TouchWiz UI.
However, I have seen a trend lately. The TouchWiz UI has gained its popularity from other android device communities. For example, TouchWiz launcher has ported to Nexus One and HTC Desire .
What do you think? Love for SGS is emerging? :]
Remember, this is only for discussion sake, no need to flame. It's just an interesting finding for me.
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AllGamer said:
I've seen quite the contrary, in fact the first thing i did to my phone was to install HTC sense UI
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If I wanted an iPhone look and feel I would have bought the iPhone 3gs, but I want something new, interesting, and completely original. Touchwiz is not that and the htc sense is. In addition the stock Android 2.2 is extremely powerful and very user friendly. I really wish the hardware developers started learning that all they need to do to the phone is customize the OS to work the best on the phone. Do not add any UI flavors, because the customer will do that. The android system was designed so that the customer can customize their phone. Yes the touchwiz is pretty cool, but that is not why I would buy the phone.

ritkit said:
If I wanted an iPhone look and feel I would have bought the iPhone 3gs, but I want something new, interesting, and completely original. Touchwiz is not that and the htc sense is. In addition the stock Android 2.2 is extremely powerful and very user friendly. I really wish the hardware developers started learning that all they need to do to the phone is customize the OS to work the best on the phone. Do not add any UI flavors, because the customer will do that. The android system was designed so that the customer can customize their phone. Yes the touchwiz is pretty cool, but that is not why I would buy the phone.
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I agree with you that manufacturers should not be adding any UI "enhancements."
I feel that TouchWiz is really ugly (colors, icons) and Sense is just tacky (the curved "dock" at the bottom). We should be able to go to the Market to get any UI customization we need.
I am hoping Google will just ban integrated "enhancements" on Android 3.0.

I hate Sense, if I could have TouchFlo 3D on Android that would be good.
TouchWiz is shameless iPhone rip-off but I prefer it over stock and Sense.

I really like touchwiz.. It's straightforward, very consequent and the widgets look not grey/boring like sense on my Hero. Only thing what's missing, is exchange widget. Also i like the fact that touchwiz is not drifting too far from stock android.
I must say that i'm not constantly comparing it to the iPhone and have an unbiased view of the shell.. And in that view: I like it!!

us1111 said:
I really like touchwiz.. It's straightforward, very consequent and the widgets look not grey/boring like sense on my Hero. Only thing what's missing, is exchange widget. Also i like the fact that touchwiz is not drifting too far from stock android.
I must say that i'm not constantly comparing it to the iPhone and have an unbiased view of the shell.. And in that view: I like it!!
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It is a nice UI enhancement, but it like trying to put a Ferrari body on a truck frame. Just does not work very well enough.

I have seen the video demo of Wiz3 earlier and I still have to say.. the UI is gay.
because of 2 main reasons:
1. no vertical scrolling of apps
2. no cool gadgets on home screen
if samsung ever fixes this, then the UI would be the best one out there.

emclondon said:
I have seen the video demo of Wiz3 earlier and I still have to say.. the UI is gay.
because of 2 main reasons:
1. no vertical scrolling of apps
2. no cool gadgets on home screen
if samsung ever fixes this, then the UI would be the best one out there.
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Lol, I hate vertical scrolling. Love the way it's done in Samsung.

err.. well, its matter of user preference. I say samsung must include settings for UI where one can change the orientation to cater users with different preferences.
I personally "hate" the list view. been seeing list view ever since i was a kid, why do i need it in a smart phone?

i like some of its features but dont like that if set up a certain way it mimics ios. overall win though, just needs some optimization.

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Wrong
In the app drawer, press menu and select list view

though I can understand somewhat the similarity between touchwiz UI and IPhone UI, the similarity are so minor and stopped at the side scrolling applications.
If something works then it works, no point in avoiding it for the sake of being original. You could as well call iphone for copying palm device for the shape of their phone and windows mobile for the dail pad.

First Gingerbread details

According to this article (http://phandroid.com/2010/10/18/exclusive-first-android-gingerbread-details/) there is an early build of Gingebread in the wild. If this is true, I believe a leaked rom won't be long away.

That image could be anything, not a great article.

aww I was hoping for some serious overhaul of the UI but it looks to be essentially froyo. Loving the hardware acceleration bit though.

teihoata said:
aww I was hoping for some serious overhaul of the UI but it looks to be essentially froyo. Loving the hardware acceleration bit though.
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My toughts exactly. I bet this explains the rumors of Gingerbread not being the tablet optimized 3.0 OS version we were waiting for. It will be a cleaned up version of Froyo with hardware accerlation. Which sure isn't bad but I'm afraid a lot of users will end up being dissappointed.
Of course the picture can be fake but the source seems pretty solid.

Unless they fix some of the big issues in their current "features", they will have a max exodus to WP7

wow nice article the author is just taking wild pot shots to things that will be on gingerbread.

nexusdue said:
Unless they fix some of the big issues in their current "features", they will have a max exodus to WP7
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Can't see it myself.

booooo! blurry pic means nothing.

nexusdue said:
Unless they fix some of the big issues in their current "features", they will have a max exodus to WP7
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lmao
WP7 will be a damn train wreck. The Kin's production was haulted a month end because it sold only a few thousand devices. They should probably just call it what it really is, Windows Mobile 6.6
Enjoy your decade old technology with a mediocre gui slapped on top. It's the Microsoft way.
As for Gingerbread, I hope there are alot of behind-the-scene updates. Gui updates can wait if you're cranking things up under the hood like they did in Froyo.

I think that the article has some truth.
It mentions that the Android Green is going to be much more prominent throughout the OS which I think is correct. The new Market has much more green and in the latest Gmail app, when an email is deleted the undo bar that appears is the same green as the green used in the Market.
All this talk of there being a totally brand new UI (like WP7) is wrong. There is nothing wrong with the look of the homescreens so that it why the blurry image looks pretty similar to Froyo. The UI is going to be refreshed which means the UI is going to be consistent throughout the entire OS and apps created by Google.
From what I have seen, the new UI is going to be similar to the current Gallery app and the Android Green is going to be much more prominent throughout the OS. At I/O, a music app was shown which had the same UI as the Gallery app. The latest Car Home app also has the look of the current Gallery app.

Sarg92 said:
I think that the article has some truth.
It mentions that the Android Green is going to be much more prominent throughout the OS which I think is correct. The new Market has much more green and in the latest Gmail app, when an email is deleted the undo bar that appears is the same green as the green used in the Market.
All this talk of there being a totally brand new UI (like WP7) is wrong. There is nothing wrong with the look of the homescreens so that it why the blurry image looks pretty similar to Froyo. The UI is going to be refreshed which means the UI is going to be consistent throughout the entire OS and apps created by Google.
From what I have seen, the new UI is going to be similar to the current Gallery app and the Android Green is going to be much more prominent throughout the OS. At I/O, a music app was shown which had the same UI as the Gallery app. The latest Car Home app also has the look of the current Gallery app.
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Nothing wrong with this at all. I always wondered after Eclair why Google didn't make more of the OS elements look more like the genie widget or the gallery with the 3Dish grey look. Now if they can get a decent media player and have studios continue to give Android respect and porting good games to our OS I think I'll just keep my eye off that shiny new Dell Venue Pro
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http://youtu.be/dttyQo3BPrk
Check out that YouTube video, at about a minute into it, you can see the current music app but with a UI similar to the Gallery app.

I just wish they fix the damn stock dialer to dial by name. Dialer One works but is aggravating trying to bounce back and forth.
Honestly the only 2 things I replace right off the bat is the dialer and Launcher Pro. Everything else is stock... and its great.

Sarg92 said:
http://youtu.be/dttyQo3BPrk
Check out that YouTube video, at about a minute into it, you can see the current music app but with a UI similar to the Gallery app.
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Good looking out! That is some sexy software. If the rest of the OS is going to look like this in a few months I may cry from pure gingerbread induced joy!
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Sarg92 said:
http://youtu.be/dttyQo3BPrk
Check out that YouTube video, at about a minute into it, you can see the current music app but with a UI similar to the Gallery app.
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If rest of the OS is like that, I might hold off on switching to WM7

nexusdue said:
they will have a max exodus to WP7
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Man I LOVE windows phone 7 trolls!
They bring alot to the forum with their wisdom

ap3604 said:
Man I LOVE windows phone 7 trolls!
They bring alot to the forum with their wisdom
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He's hardly trolling. Google need to change more than just invisible behind-the-scenes stuff, although adding Flash support was a fairly big deal. Android needs better support for large screens, a much better media/music player (Gapless support is way overdue if nothing else).
I'm perfectly happy with my N1 with 2.2, but Android can't stay still, most of the changes since 1.5 have been background things, tweaking and quite incremental. Hopefully 3.0 has something really good in it to justify my waiting for a decent Android tablet.

knightnz said:
He's hardly trolling. Google need to change more than just invisible behind-the-scenes stuff, although adding Flash support was a fairly big deal. Android needs better support for large screens, a much better media/music player (Gapless support is way overdue if nothing else).
I'm perfectly happy with my N1 with 2.2, but Android can't stay still, most of the changes since 1.5 have been background things, tweaking and quite incremental. Hopefully 3.0 has something really good in it to justify my waiting for a decent Android tablet.
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That's what I'm sayin. We just need a good music player, like the one in the youtube link a few posts above, and more quality apps. I must admit I was pretty excited about WP7, but I'm in the air bc I'd be losing flash for a few months, as well as all the cool *cliche* customizations. If Gingerbread is as good as expected I'm saying.
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if that is indeed the new ui, i can't help but feel a bit underwhelmed. i was expecting something a little more than better icons and an enhanced notification bar lol. can't wait to see this release though

knightnz said:
He's hardly trolling. Google need to change more than just invisible behind-the-scenes stuff, although adding Flash support was a fairly big deal. Android needs better support for large screens, a much better media/music player (Gapless support is way overdue if nothing else).
I'm perfectly happy with my N1 with 2.2, but Android can't stay still, most of the changes since 1.5 have been background things, tweaking and quite incremental. Hopefully 3.0 has something really good in it to justify my waiting for a decent Android tablet.
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Thank you for the support. I am glad not everybody just drinks the koolaid.
I would say the biggest task is to finally fix the really long list of bugs and annoyances in current version android/google apps. THEN they should tackle the GUI.
xtop said:
if that is indeed the new ui, i can't help but feel a bit underwhelmed. i was expecting something a little more than better icons and an enhanced notification bar lol. can't wait to see this release though
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I am 100% with you on that.
I really like how MS thought outside the box for WP7/Zune.

Gningerbread teased in voice search video tutorial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dugI-robCuQ

Make that Gingerbread....that's what i get for rushing a thread before lunch.

Nice find. Am I alone in preferring the current look?
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niiiiice!!!!!!!!!

I hoped in new and more transitions effects...
but the major thing i don't understand is why some google widgets are white, and others are black...why don't keep it coherent, it would result much better

Even though green is my favorite color, it didn't look to good in the low quality pics that had been leaked so far. They were all blurry and I think over-saturated as well. But seeing it clearly now it looks much better then I had previously thought.
Also, I like that it's being demonstrated on an N1 still. Take that NS

Here's a screenshot of it, for everyones convenience.

More thumbs from the video at Engadget.
The new launcher graphic looks awful; and what's up with the boxy look of everything? Basic UI stuff like radio buttons look AWFUL now. I'd rather they look completely flat (black/white only) then the cartoon-like gray-ish flat graphics they decided to use in Gingerbread - in fact, I much prefer the Froyo look. Popups are now boring looking, even more so than before which is quite a accomplishment. The status bar is a mixed bag, in the blurry pics I hated it, now I only kind of hate it. I think I can get into a black bar but the icons looks worse - not that the olds were perfect but they were overall better than what I'm seeing here.
Overall I'd rather have the old Froyo look with 3D-gallery-app-like UI overhauls of other central apps, more core OS animations and maybe HW acceleration.
-Just an opinion from somebody who works professionally as a designer and who had high expectations for 2.3/Gingerbread.

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had high expectations for 2.3/Gingerbread.
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Why? Google has never said what changes are coming in Gingerbread, and EVERY bit of factual evidence thus far has pointed to no major UI changes.

Hopefully you are able to choose between a white or black status bar and the froyo or gingerbread dock.

GldRush98 said:
Why? Google has never said what changes are coming in Gingerbread, and EVERY bit of factual evidence thus far has pointed to no major UI changes.
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that my friend...i believe is actually true.
it seems as though gingerbread is going to be a somewhat minor update. changes to the market, maybe changes to music and one or two more things.
if it does turn out to be a relatively minor update (compared to froyo) i would expect that honeycomb will be released a lot sooner than expected...maybe February/march

adam18488 said:
that my friend...i believe is actually true.
it seems as though gingerbread is going to be a somewhat minor update. changes to the market, maybe changes to music and one or two more things.
if it does turn out to be a relatively minor update (compared to froyo) i would expect that honeycomb will be released a lot sooner than expected...maybe February/march
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Fair enough; but who wouldn't consider this to be the most significant visual change since Android's initial release? I would, and like I said, the visual changes in my opinion have so far been bad.

moelester518 said:
Hopefully you are able to choose between a white or black status bar and the froyo or gingerbread dock.
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Don't count on it.

Looks like someone made a boo-boo, the video has been taken down now.

yea, the video has been removed by user.

ahahah i saw it but you can't

The people over at Google HQ obviously need to consult with the MIUI graphic designers (consult with someone, please..). No, I don't want Android looking like an iPhone, but the other various changes they made simply just kill the default Vanilla design. Especially the music application. Honestly stock Android looks pathetic at this point compared to other User Interfaces.. very disappointing.

Eclair~ said:
The people over at Google HQ obviously need to consult with the MIUI graphic designers (consult with someone, please..). No, I don't want Android looking like an iPhone, but the other various changes they made simply just kill the default Vanilla design. Especially the music application. Honestly stock Android looks pathetic at this point compared to other User Interfaces.. very disappointing.
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I'm a dual iPhone/Android user, and while iOS is still ahead in terms of looks (stock vs stock), stock Android wasn't bad. I actually kind of like it to be honest, just needs a little bit more work. This though is a step back.
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http://mashable.com/2010/12/02/android-gingerbread-demo-video/

Just about the most unimpressive home UI tweaks Ive ever seen.
They just made a few things green.
Maybe theres more but Im certainly not expecting it.
Someone needs to explain how some random guy makes Launcher Pro and thus Android home UI inifintely more usable and uniform. Yet google cant even get the dock portion right.
Googles reputation of making things not pretty continues. Im expecting 2.3 to be a very very big letdown.

What is wrong with HTC Sense?

I would like to get some peoples ideas on what is wrong with HTC sense. I see a lot of people on here don't like it, but what is the reasoning behind it? I'm using a rooted evo with Fresh ROM, and I had a hero before it also running Fresh ROM. I personally love the sense interface, and when I see a plain jane phone like a friends Intercept with just 3 screens, or boring vanilla phones, it's like sense is soo much better. So what are some advantages that you guys don't use sense? Just would like some insight.

I personally love the sense UI. It does have glitches, but so does every other one. I like the seven screens... that is a big reason I love it, not to mention the weather and clock widget. I have tried different phones and don't like them...but that is just my preference!

I use ADW launcher which is more of a stock Android feel. Sense has a lot of great features but its not customizable enough with a launcher like ADW you can change almost any settning. Example my launcher has 5x5 apps and so does all of my screens have 5x5 apps. With Sense you have a wasted "+" key on the bottom right which I dont like who really uses that key.

1. I'm a designer/digital creative in the real world. I like to consider myself as having pretty good design sense and education, most people think so too. That said, HTC was so ugly and badly designed that I wanted to return my EVO until CM was finally released. The graphic design work is amateur at best and is simply a bad random mashup of Android and iOS elements. Although stock Android is simple (which I think is a good thing), the graphics are not badly made. I could go on to specifics but you can search my posting history because I've mentioned it a lot. I even was in the process of making a redesigned theme of HTC Sense and still get PMs to finish even to this day.
2. It's slow. Scrolling through a long contact list is laggy in Sense and isn't in stock Android. I could repeat that line for just about every Sense included app. On top of that there's a lot of Sense processes that eat RAM and processing power.
3. It's probably badly made. It's slow but what else is wrong? Who's idea was it to stick and sync insane amounts of XML into my Gmail contacts to store data? That's freaking stupid and so amateur. Remember how HTC peeps failed to authorize because they used a known depreciating method? Makes me wonder what other dumb decisions they implemented. Of course I didn't stick around to find out.
Bottom line is this: HTC is incapable of making a quality mobile OS on their own. If they could they would. I can pretty much guarantee you that. But they can't because they are not as talented as Google, it's as simple as that. The only reason they love Android so much, and they do, is because it's the next best thing. They can take all their amateur hour coding/design work, stick it into open source Android, and then call it HTC Sense with Google.

You can get the 7 screens with a lot of launchers. I use Launcher Pro plus. It also gives me just about any dock and dock Icon I want... 15 apps on a dock that scrolls + Tons of weather/clock skins from beautiful widgets and sense gets facerolled.
Not only that, AOSP like Cyanogen is just much more smooth, more fast that sense. I never was a fan of vanilla and it took a little bit to get used to Cyanogen.. but after a little bit, I can't go back to sense. I tried and they just aren't near as smooth.
When you first flash CM it is pretty ugly so I throw one of the great themes on top of it and makes things MUCH better.

My biggest complaint about sense is how much ram it eats up.

i don't think there is anything wrong with sense and i have no issues with it. With 2.2/2.3 and 3.0 its need and other custom skins could fade, but make no mistake sense was instrumental in bringing android to the masses. regardless of how you feel about it that was the most important thing. besides, for a hardware company, its not to bad astecically in my opinion either, my two cents. The more important factor is that its android based

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i don't think there is anything wrong with sense and i have no issues with it. With 2.2/2.3 and 3.0 its need and other custom skins could fade, but make no mistake sense was instrumental in bringing android to the masses. regardless of how you feel about it that was the most important thing. besides, for a hardware company, its not to bad astecically in my opinion either, my two cents. The more important factor is that its android based
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Sense was instrumental to bring Android to the masses? Huh? In what way? I'd say that Motorola's Droid campaign was more instrumental (at least in the US), and that was stock initially and near stock even with the blur crap.
HTC Sense is HTC's way of pretending to have invented their own OS. Pretty soon HTC Sense will be so modified that it'll be hard to tell that it's running on top of Android - especially once you realize how much lower the quality is.

Sense is my favorite because of the widgets. I have not found widgets that replace the FriendStream/Calendar widgets... (that look exactly the same or are the same size and show the same information)

The evo was the first phone touted for its interface and software that was on par with the iPhone and in some cases winning side by side comparisons. The droid for sure brought awareness but the evo took it to the next step. There were issues with the initial motoblur that sense didn't have. As the more we get into android the need for sense like overlays I think will subside
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Sense was instrumental to bring Android to the masses? Huh? In what way? I'd say that Motorola's Droid campaign was more instrumental (at least in the US), and that was stock initially and near stock even with the blur crap.
HTC Sense is HTC's way of pretending to have invented their own OS. Pretty soon HTC Sense will be so modified that it'll be hard to tell that it's running on top of Android - especially once you realize how much lower the quality is.
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Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.

Vipermuscle83 said:
Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.
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Sense is nice, I love the widgets it offers. I just dont like the dock really, and I agree with all five above and
6. Im just used to the vanilla feel from my g1 days.

Again, people care way too much about the aesthetics when it comes to the positives and negatives about the Sense UI. With as much customization as Android allows us, it's almost silly to say that a particular UI sucks because it doesn't look good; if users don't like the looks, they have every opportunity in the world to change that.
Given that the paint job on top of Sense UI is dynamic, I think most of the gripes are pretty invalid. Instead, let's talk about how seamless FriendStream is... or how Smart Dialer is pretty much the best thing since sliced bread... or how the Facebook integration is the best on any platform this side of the sun? These all count for something, and these all represent the true Sense we should be discussing. If people don't like the mechanics, that's fine. I think you're wrong, and the above mentioned features work great on my phone. But if you don't like how it LOOKS... just change it.

Great point man, especially if you are rooted
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Again, people care way too much about the aesthetics when it comes to the positives and negatives about the Sense UI. With as much customization as Android allows us, it's almost silly to say that a particular UI sucks because it doesn't look good; if users don't like the looks, they have every opportunity in the world to change that.
Given that the paint job on top of Sense UI is dynamic, I think most of the gripes are pretty invalid. Instead, let's talk about how seamless FriendStream is... or how Smart Dialer is pretty much the best thing since sliced bread... or how the Facebook integration is the best on any platform this side of the sun? These all count for something, and these all represent the true Sense we should be discussing. If people don't like the mechanics, that's fine. I think you're wrong, and the above mentioned features work great on my phone. But if you don't like how it LOOKS... just change it.
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I agree too, its just the look of it really I dont like, so I use ADW to get that vanilla look. The Facebook integration is the best feature I like.

Vipermuscle83 said:
Top 5 Reasons why people DON'T like Sense:
5: Very "Busy" interface with too much to look at
4: Takes up WAY too much internal memory
3: Way too much bloatware running in the background and too many files associated with Sense
2: No smoothness to it, very jerky, very laggy
1: Very SLOW as far as overall performance, quadrant numbers, and overall feel.
There's just way too much going on with sense. A lot of bloatware and useless crap!
Personally, I enjoy the stripped down look and feel of AOSP, letting Android run the way it's supposed to without any third party interference.
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Basically he went over the top complaints about Sense... the only thing that Sense has over stock Android is that HTC compiled the 4g code for capable phones and unfortunately it's still not available on vanilla roms. That would be THE ONLY plus to Sense but only for it's connection ability nd not its overall functionality...

Hey,
Believe me I can understand what there IS to like about Sense for those who like using its unique features. I'm simply stating what those who don't like Sense, such as myself, find irritating about the UI. It's really just a personal preference when it comes to Sense. Some people really concentrate on shear performance while others focus on functionality and features. I was coming from a rooted Nexus One with CM5 on it and running OH SO FAST and couldn't stand the difference with Sense UI running over Android. To me, AOSP had everything that was important to me and allowed me to access it and maintain it with a heck of a lot more responsiveness and eye-popping performance so I just wanted to keep that trend going with my EVO.

derekwilkinson said:
Sense is my favorite because of the widgets. I have not found widgets that replace the FriendStream/Calendar widgets... (that look exactly the same or are the same size and show the same information)
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Launcher Pro Plus has the stock Android feel, and if you buy the paid version you get widgets that are very much like the Sense widgets. Best of both worlds.
Personally I don't use it, because I don't have the need for those widgets. If I did, though, I'd buy it in a heartbeat because AOSP outperforms Sense by a wide margin.

I agree... Friendstream means nothing to me except more battery drain. I do LOVE the sense facebook integration and the sense copy-n-paste...and a few sense widgets.
But its not worth the drop in overall performance for me to use it.
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I like sense. I also like AOSP. It depends on my mood I suppose. I like the widgets that sense offers, and I must say, using Myn's RLS 4, I experience nothing but extraordinary performance. Whatever he did in his RoM, it is faar smoother than when I was stock. Smooth, fast, and it looks waaay better than stock. Plus, you can customize the rosie buttons to launch mostly whatever app you want. I honestly don't even remember what an unthemed stock evo looks like. Either way, I think it's a personal preference. Try out all launchers and ROMS, see what tickles your fancy.

How would you make android better?

I would like to see improvements to the stock browser. smoother zooming for one thing, get rid of the magnify glass in the bottom right corner (gets in the way when trying to click links), and passing the acid 3 test .
What changes would you like to see?

If it could make waffles, preferably Belgian style, and be more like iOS.

bacon flavoring

Android is still in its infancy compared to its rivals in the same market. This year should be big for our beloved OS so I want to see what changes are made before answering that question lol.
Web browser fixes is on the list though
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masterotaku said:
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PLEASE! Lol
Sexy Vibrant featuring Nero V3 w/Voodoo, and FFC installed

- decent calendar
- syncing with Outlook
- email that is reliable
- more efficient OS

More fluid UI, smoother animations ie: pinch to zoom browsing, maps etc could be smoother. Basically make it so good that I don't need to root in the first place.

A usable Google Talk Client (think BBM). The current one is worse than using SMS/MMS, IMO.
Hardware accellerated UI.
Better Exchange support and stock (non-Gmail) mail/Calendar client.
Make an exit option for most stock apps (i.e. Browser, music player, etc.).
Memory optimizations to reduce the footprint of stock applications in RAM.
Better third party developers. Most of them are amatuers and put out utter crap.
Decent market policing. Tired of sifting through so much junk just to try to find useful apps.
The rest doesn't matter since I'm sure the OEMs will rip it out to put their skins in.

N8ter said:
Make an exit option for most stock apps (i.e. Browser, music player, etc.).
Memory optimizations to reduce the footprint of stock applications in RAM.
Better third party developers. Most of them are amatuers and put out utter crap.
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An exit option is the thing google DOES NOT want in their UI. It is pointless. It is NOT how Android runs and it does NOT help. The OS does this for the user. Why not just ask for a task killer that kills everything every 5 minutes, lol.
what stock apps are killing ram? Do you mean when they are in the BACKground?
dude, don't knock on developers... I think if the "fragmentation problem" was not a "problem" then we would have a tremendous load of great apps. Some are just afraid to take the plunge into developing for android, and some probably are afraid to break ties with apple. That said, there are a LOT of really good developers for Android, and some ONLY for android (levelup studios)
to answer the OP question, I would say a more common sense UI. Which I believe is on the way with the new hires. I had to teach several people how to use their new apple/android products, and regretfully, the ones with apple picked it up a lot faster.

s15274n said:
An exit option is the thing google DOES NOT want in their UI. It is pointless. It is NOT how Android runs and it does NOT help. The OS does this for the user. Why not just ask for a task killer that kills everything every 5 minutes, lol.
what stock apps are killing ram? Do you mean when they are in the BACKground?
dude, don't knock on developers... I think if the "fragmentation problem" was not a "problem" then we would have a tremendous load of great apps. Some are just afraid to take the plunge into developing for android, and some probably are afraid to break ties with apple. That said, there are a LOT of really good developers for Android, and some ONLY for android (levelup studios)
to answer the OP question, I would say a more common sense UI. Which I believe is on the way with the new hires. I had to teach several people how to use their new apple/android products, and regretfully, the ones with apple picked it up a lot faster.
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Some people just fail to understand that memory management on the linux based OS's is completely different from the counterparts from different OS's.
What would I change about the OS? My needs are more than satisfied with the current affairs, smoother scrolling and zooming in the browser will def make the UI even more pleasant to use.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and make every currently releasing phones true google phones, allow the carrier put bloatware on it, but make it easy to remove it - that is wishful thinking btw, otherwise how the carriers are supposed to make money off the subsidized hardware; at least make it an option for off the contract purchases.

I would like if the notification bar pop-up ("toast"?) for a new Gmail displayed the sender/subject line and first few words of the msg, rather than just say "New Gmail" (in other words, for it to behave like the notification for new SMS, etc.)

I really think that the 3rd party UIs should be available as a paid market download only. That way you have a choice as to whether you want to use it or not. All Google Android phones should come as just a Google Android phone. Make it easier to receive updates and cut down on this fragmentation. You can even let the user decide to download the enhanced UIs during the initial setup.

I'd personally like to see more polish - smoother web scrolling, etc. - and codec support for stock Android. I think we'll see this in Honeycomb. For game makers, i'd like to see less device specific coding in C. We are lucky that virtually every game works on the Vibrant, but other high end phones don't get the same love. Finally, it would be nice to see Google get on oems to release updates in a timely manner. Don't think it'll happen but you can always dream.
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atoz350 said:
I really think that the 3rd party UIs should be available as a paid market download only. That was the you have a choice as to whether you want to use it or not. All Google Android phones should come as just a Google Android phone. Make it easier to receive updates and cut down on this fragmentation. You can even let the user decide to download the enhanced UIs during the initial setup.
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I like the idea. Also, if companies want "value added" widgets, launchers, etc. they could make them drm protected and not able to be installed on competitors phones without having to bog down their devices with a crappy UI
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