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Hello people, I have been playing around with PDAs for a while, my first device was a BlueAngel waaay back when... my last device has been a hero for about 2 years now.
I have recently replaced my old hero with a new one that came with 2.1 from the factory -I suppose- my questions/comments/concerns are:
is there such a thing as too much flashing that can mess up a device? I know that there were 2 versions of the hero out there one with no "With Google" and one with "with google" and there were some diferences between them when you flash stuff,
My last hero was a "with google" but came with the 1.56 whenever I installed 2.1 on it it just went crazy, very very laggy could not make a phone call to save my life. if I flashed any of the 2.2 from cyanogen or anyone else the device worked perfect, it was only when I flashed a Sense 2.1 rom that the device went absolutely crazy. don't know why... apparently no one knows... i guess...
this last hero that I got came with 2.1 from sprint. the device worked AWESOME super fast and could actually make a phone call. so I really think that there is a hardware issue that HTC/Sprint resolved but they wont admit to it... I can see absolutely NO difference between the devices or the ROMS that i flashed on them. its just a big mystery that one device works with sense 2.1 and one does not. until yesterday...
yesterday morning I woke up and my device was out of battery, really odd because It was fully charged when I went to sleep. and I noticed that the device started to behave the same way that my old Hero did with 2.1 could not get it to call anyone or text or anything if you press a key it takes 10 min to respond. and until right now I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY! it was working PERFECT super fast and now its not. I flashed NFX Sprint 2.31.651.7 STOCK Deoxed/Odex Update3.1 on wednsday of last week and it was working AWESOME, GREAT WORK nfinitefx45, then it just quit. working awesome 1 day, next week its crap.
so I was wondering if TOO Much flashing brakes the circuits or something (I cant imagine how or why) but maybe its just the ghost in the machine. it was working great!!! im extremely baffled by this. maybe its because some if the flashing I did was with the battery under 30% but I cant imagine this braking it either, maybe the I/O operations check fail when the battery is under 30% and you permanently brake it, i don't know. another thing i noticed is that it queries the network ALL DAY LONG it tries to synch all day long with my gmail account, which it never does, I cant see my contacts. that's why it was out of battery next morning. maybe too much flashing brakes the radio?
today i noticed that it wanted to go out and get 2.32 and update, maybe that's why it was querying the network so much, so I went back to stock 2.31 because it wont update if you have a recovery image, and let it run the update.
nothing. still lags a lot, cant place a phone call or anything.... I am really ready to throw myself out the window cuz I cannot figure it out, maybe I did damage the Hardware some how...
does anyone have any ideas? or has anyone experienced this ??
SysCrasher13 said:
Hello people, I have been playing around with PDAs for a while, my first device was a BlueAngel waaay back when... my last device has been a hero for about 2 years now.
I have recently replaced my old hero with a new one that came with 2.1 from the factory -I suppose- my questions/comments/concerns are:
is there such a thing as too much flashing that can mess up a device? I know that there were 2 versions of the hero out there one with no "With Google" and one with "with google" and there were some diferences between them when you flash stuff,
My last hero was a "with google" but came with the 1.56 whenever I installed 2.1 on it it just went crazy, very very laggy could not make a phone call to save my life. if I flashed any of the 2.2 from cyanogen or anyone else the device worked perfect, it was only when I flashed a Sense 2.1 rom that the device went absolutely crazy. don't know why... apparently no one knows... i guess...
this last hero that I got came with 2.1 from sprint. the device worked AWESOME super fast and could actually make a phone call. so I really think that there is a hardware issue that HTC/Sprint resolved but they wont admit to it... I can see absolutely NO difference between the devices or the ROMS that i flashed on them. its just a big mystery that one device works with sense 2.1 and one does not. until yesterday...
yesterday morning I woke up and my device was out of battery, really odd because It was fully charged when I went to sleep. and I noticed that the device started to behave the same way that my old Hero did with 2.1 could not get it to call anyone or text or anything if you press a key it takes 10 min to respond. and until right now I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY! it was working PERFECT super fast and now its not. I flashed NFX Sprint 2.31.651.7 STOCK Deoxed/Odex Update3.1 on wednsday of last week and it was working AWESOME, GREAT WORK nfinitefx45, then it just quit. working awesome 1 day, next week its crap.
so I was wondering if TOO Much flashing brakes the circuits or something (I cant imagine how or why) but maybe its just the ghost in the machine. it was working great!!! im extremely baffled by this. maybe its because some if the flashing I did was with the battery under 30% but I cant imagine this braking it either, maybe the I/O operations check fail when the battery is under 30% and you permanently brake it, i don't know. another thing i noticed is that it queries the network ALL DAY LONG it tries to synch all day long with my gmail account, which it never does, I cant see my contacts. that's why it was out of battery next morning. maybe too much flashing brakes the radio?
today i noticed that it wanted to go out and get 2.32 and update, maybe that's why it was querying the network so much, so I went back to stock 2.31 because it wont update if you have a recovery image, and let it run the update.
nothing. still lags a lot, cant place a phone call or anything.... I am really ready to throw myself out the window cuz I cannot figure it out, maybe I did damage the Hardware some how...
does anyone have any ideas? or has anyone experienced this ??
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Are you currently rooted?
yeah im rooted, but it happens when rooted and on stock 2.31 and now 2.32
SysCrasher13 said:
yeah im rooted, but it happens when rooted and on stock 2.31 and now 2.32
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Go to CM.... it's android 2.2, and there's really no issues with it. It's fast, looks good if you apply a theme, and takes care of all the sense bloat
I have run BLACKMOD_21NOV and it runs great, thats kinda my point, why does it run great on 2.2 and it sucks on sense 2.1, when it came from sprint it was running great on sense 2.1 and now its just crap. I think i might have done something to the hardware because of too much flashing Lol!!! i dont know...
SysCrasher13 said:
I have run BLACKMOD_21NOV and it runs great, thats kinda my point, why does it run great on 2.2 and it sucks on sense 2.1, when it came from sprint it was running great on sense 2.1 and now its just crap. I think i might have done something to the hardware because of too much flashing Lol!!! i dont know...
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No, that won't damage the hardware.... Sprint HTC sense for the hero is slow and buggy, just kind of the way it is
SysCrasher13 said:
I have run BLACKMOD_21NOV and it runs great, thats kinda my point, why does it run great on 2.2 and it sucks on sense 2.1, when it came from sprint it was running great on sense 2.1 and now its just crap. I think i might have done something to the hardware because of too much flashing Lol!!! i dont know...
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Yeah theres no way to much flashing could possibly break your phone or make it laggy or etc. If that was the case then my phone would have exploded by now as i had my hero since launch date and it has been flashed almost over 1000 times maybe with different roms and radios and other mods and hacks lol. As impaler said sense is great but our heros just are old technology even with an over clocked processor and mods I still dont think its just good enough for sense. Sense runs perfect on a faster phone like an EVO. I used LiquidSense even with all the bloat removed it just wasnt fast enough for my taste, great rom though. Vanilla is just your best bet for the hero and its old hardware it works fast enough and stable. Dirk
yeah it was slow, but I using [email protected] #43 691mhz and it was running great! fast, stable then it broke! hahahaha, any ways thanks for your input. Im gonna mess around some more if not im gonna take it back and probably get the EVO, that sucks cuz I really like the hero, evo is just to dang big! Lol !
SysCrasher13 said:
yeah it was slow, but I using [email protected] #43 691mhz and it was running great! fast, stable then it broke! hahahaha, any ways thanks for your input. Im gonna mess around some more if not im gonna take it back and probably get the EVO, that sucks cuz I really like the hero, evo is just to dang big! Lol !
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Man evo is a little too big for me, as my upgrade is december 1st and my palms are itching for a new phone, its either the evo or samsung epic (which is so sick) but i hear theres other phones coming out before the end of the year. Maybe you could wait a little i hear theres another phone coming out with evo specs and the size or a nexus one, i think its called the HTC KNIGHT or something. Good luck but you might not want to stick with the hero too long if you have the option of taking it back.
dirkyd3rk said:
Man evo is a little too big for me, as my upgrade is december 1st and my palms are itching for a new phone, its either the evo or samsung epic (which is so sick) but i hear theres other phones coming out before the end of the year. Maybe you could wait a little i hear theres another phone coming out with evo specs and the size or a nexus one, i think its called the HTC KNIGHT or something. Good luck but you might not want to stick with the hero too long if you have the option of taking it back.
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Yup, I'm interested in the HTC Knight as well
I forgot to mention that the data keeps connecting and disconnecting and that slows down the device downloading ROM Manager from the market took like 45 min because it was sooo sloow. I dont know if that matters... maybe I'll update my prl and profile..
Yeah I really like the samsung also, but I think that HTC are just more customizable and theres a great comunity out there hacking and craking these devices, the KNIGHT looks sweet!!! yeah Im not going to hang on to the Hero much longer, Im due for an update and I think im gonna get the evo...
SysCrasher13 said:
I forgot to mention that the data keeps connecting and disconnecting and that slows down the device downloading ROM Manager from the market took like 45 min because it was sooo sloow. I dont know if that matters... maybe I'll update my prl and profile..
Yeah I really like the samsung also, but I think that HTC are just more customizable and theres a great comunity out there hacking and craking these devices, the KNIGHT looks sweet!!! yeah Im not going to hang on to the Hero much longer, Im due for an update and I think im gonna get the evo...
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Yup, can't wait for dual core either!
Rumor says that the Knight/Evo Shift could possibly ship as a dual core. We shall see.
http://phandroid.com/2010/11/22/htc-knightevo-shift-4g-passes-fcc/
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!
user7618 said:
Rumor says that the Knight/Evo Shift could possibly ship as a dual core. We shall see.
http://phandroid.com/2010/11/22/htc-knightevo-shift-4g-passes-fcc/
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!
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Saw that, want something better though
theimpaler747 said:
Saw that, want something better though
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Meh, I got plenty of time. My 1 year isn't until middle of April, so I would expect to have monsters roaming around by then.
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!
user7618 said:
Meh, I got plenty of time. My 1 year isn't until middle of April, so I would expect to have monsters roaming around by then.
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo-on-Hero action here!
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Lol, it takes all my willpower to hold off from buying an Evo... but I will prevail!!
after much time spent trying to figure out, i think the problem with it being slow is that its always trying to sync gmail email, contacts and calendar, it doesn't stop syncing ever, thats why im runnign out of battery, anyone have any ideas ??? or know why?
SysCrasher13 said:
after much time spent trying to figure out, i think the problem with it being slow is that its always trying to sync gmail email, contacts and calendar, it doesn't stop syncing ever, thats why im runnign out of battery, anyone have any ideas ??? or know why?
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Just disable auto-sync, that's what I do. I only allow it to auto-sync contacts
the thing is that it never finishes sync, so I dont have any contacts, email ok but contacts no. hahaha im going nuts... thanks for your advice dude, also I tried flashing your Impaled Blue!!!! theme over blackmod21nov and it gets stuck your splash screen... to be exact i flashed ImpaledBlue-signed.zip and wont move past tux splash screen...
SysCrasher13 said:
the thing is that it never finishes sync, so I dont have any contacts, email ok but contacts no. hahaha im going nuts... thanks for your advice dude, also I tried flashing your Impaled Blue!!!! theme over blackmod21nov and it gets stuck your splash screen... to be exact i flashed ImpaledBlue-signed.zip and wont move past tux splash screen...
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Have you tried wiping data and cache on the Google apps?
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Hey Guys,
Our CEO has a fascinate and every so often (about once ever 3 weeks) his exchange email sync just stops working.
I fixed it yesterday for him again and it happened again today.
When it is happening all the emails dissipater and it wont sync. To fix it I have to delete the Corporate account and re add it and it works for a while.
Our CEO is starting to really get annoyed at the issue and I want to find a solution for him.
Does anyone know a fix for this issue. I cant go around hacking his phone and installing new FW and such because its not my phone (if it was I would).
I was told by Verizon it was a known issue and the Froyo update would fix it but it looks like that is coming no time soon.
So I was wondering if anyone knew a work around for the issue.
dsf767 said:
Hey Guys,
Our CEO has a fascinate and every so often (about once ever 3 weeks) his exchange email sync just stops working.
I fixed it yesterday for him again and it happened again today.
When it is happening all the emails dissipater and it wont sync. To fix it I have to delete the Corporate account and re add it and it works for a while.
Our CEO is starting to really get annoyed at the issue and I want to find a solution for him.
Does anyone know a fix for this issue. I cant go around hacking his phone and installing new FW and such because its not my phone (if it was I would).
I was told by Verizon it was a known issue and the Froyo update would fix it but it looks like that is coming no time soon.
So I was wondering if anyone knew a work around for the issue.
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You might want to give TouchDown a try. It's only $20 and save you the headache.
Hehe, you beat me to the punch. Touchdown is definitely your answer. Not only is it reliable, but the feature set will put any stock Android mail client to shame.
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the_passenger said:
You might want to give TouchDown a try. It's only $20 and save you the headache.
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I haven't experienced this yet, though I've flashed a new rom roughly every week in the month I've had the phone.
I'd go with a separate email client, the stock one is pretty lack luster.
There are actually known push mail issues with exchange and the fascinate, it's one of the things being addressed in the next maintenance release.
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(I searched before posting, and couldn't find any similar threads.)
Ok. So I was having dinner with my family, and the topic of our birthdates came up. My mum wanted to know on which day of the week my dad was born, so my sister took out her iPhone 3GS to find out. However, it didn't have any option to jump to a specific date.
Cue sniggering and some minor anti-Apple comments from me.
I whipped out my SGS and searched for his birthdate in 1948. "Wednesday!" I said confidently. "Hmm. That's funny. I always thought it was a Friday." came my dad's reply.
By this time my sister was on the internet and looking up Google Calendar. "Dad's right. It was a Friday." she said, holding up her dim, grimy, non-SAmoled screen to our faces and drawing sagely nods from my folks. "So, care to tell us again how great Android is?"
I was red-faced the rest of the evening. And not because of the wine.
The calendar app is also one day off on my mum's birthday in 1952. However it reports an accurate day for myself and my siblings.
I played with the calendar a bit and found that it goes back only to 1st Jan 1902, which starts on a Monday (that is off by two days according to Google calendar). Strangely, the second half of the month is missing, or rather, greyed out and unclickable. Not sure if that accounts for the discrepancies, but I'd bet not, since it eventually gets the later dates right.
Was this introduced in FroYo? Or do you guys still running 2.1 have this too? (I'm on stock DXJPA.)
Any way to replace the default calendar??
Stock JPP everything seems normal, no grey dates and 3rd of January 1902 is Friday
Don't know what to tell you, mate.
Take a look:
Looks right to me. Running stock XWJPA / XEE
Thanks guys. Maybe it's just DXJPA? Anyone else has this problem?
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Mine looks like mstrandbo's calendar, except in French. JPU here.
I am now stuck with this POS phone and my wife has one to. I purchased this phone because radio shack said there is a shorter waiting list for this one and this one is better than the EVO. I like the display and the slide out keyboard and the evo side to side comparison is like night and day but now the evo is way better than the epic by far. my phone has the mysterious back syndrome when browsing with the keboard open and I am now sick of it. no flash is now causing my browser to crash when a pop up comes on and fully loads. that is new because I used to be able to x out of them a few weeks ago. And every other epic problem it has I found it. Samsung and sprint stuck it to me. everyone waiting for the 2.2 update should just face the fact there is none. Explaine the nexus s with 2.3? I beleive the problem is hardware and nobody is going to waranty a billion phones. I will never buy anything samsung again.
I need to know the easiest way to root my phone and how and what ROM has working gps,bluetooth, and doesnt crash to often (my stock one crashes once a month). I didnt want to go this way but then I cant use the phone as sprint sold it to me either. I was told the same thing everyone else ,within a couple weeks 2.2 would be availible, usb to hdmi adapter cable, flash support .ECT. the 4g speeds i have tested in 2 states only acheived 2 down 1 up . screw sprint and samsung. sprint has the crappiest coverage of all the carriers and I switched because i wanted the evo instead I got this. I am going to waste more of my time and file a BBB case against them for the lies!
wow.. are you serious... your going to complain about the phone and expect somebody to help you? how do you get anywhere in life?
Why don't you start reading?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770388
If you don't like the phone just switch to an evo.. nobody is holding a gun to your head.
Oh and you posted in the wrong section. reading your thread again.. you must be joking.
Lol epic is a POS. I guess he never owned a Moment.
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rgregg504 said:
Lol epic is a POS. I guess he never owned a Moment.
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He never owned a evo either. The evo is just as much of pos the epic is. They both got there flaws but I choose my epic over my evo
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I do have an evo but don't like the android keyboard, the display sucks but it does have flash player, hdmi out, and got froyo before the epic came out. I could say that sprint friken did a hard reset on my phone yesterday to "fix" the issues I am having with the phone and forgot to tell me that my calender of appointments would be gone so I am venting a little, but when I siighned up for the phone there were lies told to me ,mainly the 2.2 update that everyone is still waiting for. And it only took 3 tries to send this from my epic because it keeps backing out of the browser with the keyboard open, that wouldn't bother you? Other phones have a keyboard calibration menu. Sprint did telll me they are going to send a new phone today so yahoo.
I did read a lot of the link that you posted for me but get confused by the problem people are having just by plugging their phone into their computers. I figured that problem out the first day after a few hours and found out the epic sucks to much power out of the USB and screws you. Now the thbread is 99+ pages of confusion and I was looking for a shortened version of the story with a good rom link . Wow I made this post without backing out of the browser for once.
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Wow I made this post without backing out of the browser for once.
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So basically your clumsy thumbs are hitting the back button or the home button and you are pissed at your phone for that? That is all I am gleaming out of your nonsensical posts. How about you do this:
*Write a list like this of issues you are having with your phone
*Use plain language and drop the emotions
*Explain exactly what happens and what you are doing if anything to cause it
I'm loving the Epic. Not very happy with Sprint over the whole update, but thanks to this site I could care less when their update comes out. Loving the Midnight Rom on the Epic. Would like to check out a few more, but going to do some more reading before I do.
If my thumbs were hitting the back button that would be an easy fix, cut my thumbs off. my phone from day one backs out of even texting by itself even with it 3 feet away from any human at random. This backing out by itself only happens when the keyboard is open and I actually have slide marks on the buttons because after i type something "quick" I have to close, it otherwise at any time the page back button goes haywire. all the way back to the begining. I am not ripping on XDA or any of its members so sorry if I came off that way. I paid for the top of the line sprint phone and use it for work and home and am tired of waiting for stock update to fix these problems. I know XDA and its members are going to be the one that supports this phone because history shows. I got a good deal at new egg on the evo and use that for 1 thing. browsing the internet and when it comes to a flash file, it plays it, my epic boots me out of the browser.
Odin flash to DI18 and then update to DK28...beautiful! I highly suggest the flash so that it is clean before the update. It doesn't like a lot of changes, such as apps and rooting.
Anyone on the DI18 on here able to replicate this? I remember the browser actually being more stable, but that could just be me.... See if the replacement does the same thing, I dont think it will... unless there was a stock browser update on DI18 I dont know about. but if it FCs on keyboard open, and you are on stock, never had flashed anything... try a new one... dont give up, the software is not perfect either way, stock or leaked DK28... and will be until we get source on something... then the Devs will perfect it. Besides, stock is boring... modify!
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If my thumbs were hitting the back button that would be an easy fix, cut my thumbs off.
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Friendly advice: When asking for assistance, please make note of your emotional well-being at the time so you do not come across as a hormone-addled teenage girl auditioning for drama club. Trust me, I have a 17 year old girl; I see this daily and this is exactly the over-reaction I have come to expect from her. i.e., ME: "You have to do your homework before you can get on Facebook.", HER: "MY LIFE IS OVER!!!! I HAVE TO TALK TO MY FRIENDS NOW! I'M DROPPING OUT AND BECOMING A STRIPPER!!!!" ME: "..." HER: "hrmph. FINE!"
If you have a hardware problem, it's covered under manufacturer's warranty and the phone will be replaced. You already stated that you have one on the way so is the drama really necessary?
The GPS on these phones is hinkey even with 2.2. Mine seems to work flawlessly on Quantum but it freezes up after about 20 minutes of walking with cardiotrainer on. Better than 2.1, at least, because it always gets a lock in seconds.
Good thing about Android is that you can actually download other applications that perform the same function for testing. For instance, in regards to your browser problem, there are multiple browsers to download. Personally, I use Dolphin because it was the first one I tried with tabbed browsing and I love it. There are probably better ones out there, but this one suits my needs. Try multiple applications to see if your phone's hardware's the problem or if it's a software issue.
Can you give me your Epic POS (and yours wife too). And buy yourself another an EVO? PM to send you my address...
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looking into why I lost my appointments on my phone I found out that my calender is stuck syncing. so i can wright off my calender ever comming back. It took me 3 months of just waiting for this update to fix the phone and the rest going through sprints tech support and even samsung to get the new phone. they didnt just say here is a new phone to try. I sure am going to root the new one the day I get it.
I'm not sure what to do. The phone comes to bell in few weeks all I hear in this forum is bad customer reviews and disappointed people. Is anyone happy with atrix? What is motoblur? Is it really that bad of a phone?
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Besides a few issues that will get fixed up in the 1st OTA, I think most of the issues are people issues.
It's Change.
Its hard to let go of a Nexus 1 or Hacked/Rooted Captivate when you've cherished your device for so long. The icons are different, the menus are different, some features you liked are different or gone.... the list goes on.
I know this.. I hated my Verizon Fascinate after my Incredible. I brought it back... then got it again at BBY when they were free. I now have the Atrix and I compare it to the Fascinate all the time... colors... menus... default apps... the list goes on. I actually use ADW Launcher Ex and have the icons and app drawer setup like the Fascinate (the iPhone look icons). I hated the Fascinate at first, now I want the Atrix to look and feel like it.
The biggest gripe I see, is people not wanting to adjust to change.
Now that my physiology 101 is done, Moto better fix this shi* before I bring this phone back!!!
I kidd.. I kidd...
I'd also say bout 60% of the people reviewing the phone doesn't even own the phone....
I got the phone yesterday... I actually like it over my Captivate that i have. Motoblur takes alil to get use to.. but i just threw launcherpro on with custom icons and such...
the phone is pure speed...
screen... eh if you do a side view it looks kinda bad.. straight on its alot better than the captivate.
battery life: heh haven't had it on the charger since it came in cept to root it.
almost 30 hours with no charge
Wow guys thanks. I will buy the phone no matter what people say. My carrier is sending me iphone 4 so ill sell it and get the atrix and from my point of view every phone have problems when it's released. After few updates prolly atrix Will become a beast. I don't own it yet. But my guess lol. Hopefully comes true cause I'm gonnna buy it
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The phone is fast. But there are bugs. Way too many. And issues with being locked up.
Depending on how/if the errors get addressed will be my tipping point for staying or leaving AT&T.
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Besides a few issues that will get fixed up in the 1st OTA, I think most of the issues are people issues.
It's Change.
Its hard to let go of a Nexus 1 or Hacked/Rooted Captivate when you've cherished your device for so long. The icons are different, the menus are different, some features you liked are different or gone.... the list goes on.
I know this.. I hated my Verizon Fascinate after my Incredible. I brought it back... then got it again at BBY when they were free. I now have the Atrix and I compare it to the Fascinate all the time... colors... menus... default apps... the list goes on. I actually use ADW Launcher Ex and have the icons and app drawer setup like the Fascinate (the iPhone look icons). I hated the Fascinate at first, now I want the Atrix to look and feel like it.
Now that my physiology 101 is done, Moto better fix this shi* before I bring this phone back!!!
I kidd.. I kidd...
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You are right. I read most of the issues people have and alot of them are user error. I came from Iphone and Nexus One and I enjoy using Atrix. People just have to adjust to change.
The biggest gripe I see, is people not wanting to adjust to change.
if your having second thoughts, your best bet is go to the store and play with it before buying it. thats what im going to do after seeing the mix reviews.
Yea I played with the atrix for like 30 mins at AT&T I like it and compared angry birds from my iPhone 4 and atrix the red is a little darker on the atrix and yellow is not that great but what ever I mean it's not going to be like the i4 but I am still thinking of switching