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Incredible has leaked 2.2 with everything working w/Sense

Now I know they don't have 4G but everything works with Sense. Can we get this ported?
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Is it really nessecary? Ava-FroyoV2 already has Sense and everything but BT and 4G working. I would expect it to be more work to port this than just have Ava fix BT and have basically the same.

Given the similarities between the Evo and Inc, the 2.2 update should be right around the corner. Also remember that Verizon is notorious for long testing before a software update.
Having said that, I'm sure a Dev will figure out a way to port this over.

But we already have CyanogenMod with everything but 4G working.
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The advantage of using the Incredible's 2.2 over the current 2.2 Sense that we have is that it will work better with what we have. The other one we have is for the Desire. So, for instance, the camera may work better. If it has a newer kernel we may be able to use that, etc. So, yeah, I'd say it would be worth porting over. Either way, I'm sticking with CM6 as I have missed Cyanogen since my days with the G1.

Well I suppose we'll have to wait again for the new kernel's source code, hopefully it doesn't take as long this time.

There is more issues with that rom then those listed, for example exchange doesn't setup correctly
trogdor182 said:
Is it really nessecary? Ava-FroyoV2 already has Sense and everything but BT and 4G working. I would expect it to be more work to port this than just have Ava fix BT and have basically the same.
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I would like to see a port of it. I like the Stock look with the speed under the hood.

Is it an unpopular opinion to actually like SenseUI around here? I vastly prefer Sense over the stock UI, TouchWiz and MotoBlur.

Unfortunately, since CyanogenMod has just about everything working, the only real improvements for the EVO that could be pulled out of the Droid Incredible's code is the FM radio, assuming they're even the same chip(which, without doing some research, I highly doubt).

From what I have seen and played with Sense is pretty nice, but I really like the look/feel of ADW.Launcher and Stock apps myself.
To each their own.
Although an official HTC Release of 2.2 would be interesting to see performance wise.

I like sense as well but I am not married to it, but I don't see why all the hate
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Sense has some really good apps like music and email. Don't argue with me about music app. It is by far the smoothest and streamed lined music player for android. Even froyo music is a piece of crap. Google really need to work on the music players for Android. iPhone and.most likely the Zune based Windows Mobile 7 music player are/will be vastly superior.
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Sense isn't bad, but it's not as useful for me. There are maybe one or two widgets that I'd like to have, but with all the other bulkiness it's not worth it. Like the 3 button dock. I'd much rather have the ADW where I can put 4 shortcuts plus the drawer. Once I tried CM6, I don't think I can go back to Sense.
It's all about preference.

The only thing I liked about Sense was the Mail/Exchange app. At least it gave me the option to select and delete multiple items at a time. With the current e-mail app (Froyo) i have to "tick" each e-mail, kinda tedious when you have over a hundren e-mails you want to delete at a time.

I don't plan on flashing a 2.2 rom until I know 4g works. I'd rather be able to use the service I'm paying for.

cosine83 said:
Is it an unpopular opinion to actually like SenseUI around here? I vastly prefer Sense over the stock UI, TouchWiz and MotoBlur.
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Sense is just a pretty pointless bit of eyecandy that vastly slows down updates received by HTC phones. It is completely tangled up in the OS, and it just slows things down and provides very limited customization due to its closed-source nature. AOSP Android is extremely fast and smooth, and you are free to add all of the eyecandy and additional apps you want.

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Sense is just a pretty pointless bit of eyecandy that vastly slows down updates received by HTC phones. It is completely tangled up in the OS, and it just slows things down and provides very limited customization due to its closed-source nature. AOSP Android is extremely fast and smooth, and you are free to add all of the eyecandy and additional apps you want.
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While I do agree with you, I really wish there were Marketplace equivalents of some of the HTC widgets (Email, Bookmarks, and NewsReader in particular). Pure Messenger is the closest I've found to the HTC email widget but after spending an inordinate amount of time trying to get it set up the way I like, I gave up. And, don't get me started on my K9/Exchange integration issues.
And, I'm a geek! I can only imagine the frustration the average non-techie, Android owner without a Sense phone goes through.

okolowicz said:
While I do agree with you, I really wish there were Marketplace equivalents of some of the HTC widgets (Email, Bookmarks, and NewsReader in particular). Pure Messenger is the closest I've found to the HTC email widget but after spending an inordinate amount of time trying to get it set up the way I like, I gave up. And, don't get me started on my K9/Exchange integration issues.
And, I'm a geek! I can only imagine the frustration the average non-techie, Android owner without a Sense phone goes through.
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Well final-damn-ly, somebody without their head stuck up their ass realizes this lol. But really, they did a good job with the widgets and to me are worth more than the hassles i have to put up with. And don't forget copy/paste; stock google's is the most godawful take on copypasta i've ever seen. While I've gotten used to launcher pro plus, returning back to sense would definitely be a welcome home for me.

I agree that Sense, although a resource hog, has the best widgets. Just wish I could use wiimote.
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9 Reasons Why I Use Sense UI over AOSP

Rewritten to tone down unintended hostility.
I did my best to get used to CM6, and I was sad to find that a lot of people, especially on the IRC channel, were not quite tolerant of my ex-Sense habit, and sadly, I ended up leaving CM6 because of that. It's not just the people on IRC, there are a few reasons why I think Sense is superior, so agree with them or not, here they are
The 9 reasons I use Sense UI; keep in mind this is a comparison between stock AOSP and stock Sense UI. No alterante launchers, mods, widgets, apps, or themes.
1. The Sense clock app just looks far better to me, and is also far more functional. I have not had a good experience with AOSP's clock app at all.
2. I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android. Just my opinion, maybe not the best of reasons, but it's just what I've come to find from experimenting with both.
3. The Lockscreen is simply elegant; and I prefer not to have any sort of slider or buttons on my lockscreen. I also do not like the way the font is displayed on the AOSP one. It looks a bit tacky and does not match the rest of Android.
4. The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know. Believe it or not, I prefer this more than hitting the menu button; I do not have to take my thumb off the side of my phone.
5. The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore. I also do not like how I have to hit a seperate key to show all the alternate letters and punctuation. The sense keyboard allows me to simply press and hold to get that lettter.
6. The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization). Perhaps if TweetDeck ends up introducing a proper widget that can compete with Friendstream, then I can consider switching.
7. The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Sadly, it does not . Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button. Again, I know about DIaler One, I have not had good experiences with it, nor am I including it in this comparison.
8. Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts. It also helps me discern phone numbers from people who I only temporarily need to have, such as Project A, Camping Group B, etc etc.
9. The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
All in all, no my phone performs extremely well and runs quite fast (Zen-Rom Alpha 5) and gets terrific battery life. I can even use JIT on it, whether or not it really is noticeable. It's elegant, it's clean, professional, and just a joy to use. Sense is to Android as Apple is to Software; refinement and polish.
This is by no means a jab at you CM6 themers and skinners, your work is amazing and gives Stock Android what it needs. I'm just here to share my experiences as to why I use and love Sense, and when we manage to get it ported to Froyo, I will be happy to switch up to 2.2

First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.

dean.d said:
First off I agree that sense is great. I hated giving up all the widgets like you said. But, I,m a practical person and a phone shortcut on the rosie is redundant, im my opinion, when you have a hardware key that works just fine. Don't get wrong, because if i did NOT have the hardware key, the rosie would be the $h!t. I also find it redundant to have two clocks on the screen. That could have come in handy in Iraq when I had a 9 hr time difference, but now, not so much. AOSP, in short, is more practical to me. There are hundreds of sense base clocks and a lot of them are free. And the ones that aren't can be "acquired" anyway. ADW has some kick a$$ sliders and cm6 has a sense theme that looks just like the mother humper. Really don't get what the deal is but to each his own i guess. Then again, your a senior mem so I'm pretty sure you know more than me.
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I certainly agree about the Phone button being redundant. I have already remapped mine, but I find myself not really ever using the middle button anyway, so it doesn't bother me.
Yes, I know, I did the whole "Fancy Widget" routine and found it to be inaccurate compared to the Weather app itself, and was of lower resolution than the regular one.
The problem isn't just coloring the titlebar black and using Fancy Widget, the problem is the rest of the widgets have no equals, and the rest of the apps excepting the HTC IME mod have no equal either. The dialer on AOSP, I maintain, is still utterly terrible and incredibly inefficient.

The one thing i like is the fact that from the contacts i can add the birthday. It is so nice that i can say " ok spell your name first and last. Now your number, and now your birthday. " it just makes it so much more personal. Especially when you drop them a text on the birthday. Yeah for brownie points. Not to mention the MMS that i the reason i stopped using a AOSD rom. I still mantain all the respect in the world to the rom developers just i ,like you, prefer Sence based rom

I don't know about being a wimp for using a sense rom..I just think it is an individuals preference and opinion to what they have on their phones.
I agree the dialer on my phone isn't the greatest,and would love to have it respond faster to my touch,but that is about all I could ask for when it comes to it. As too the contact list.I want nothing to start making suggestions on who I wish to call for me. I can and much prefer to choose someone directly from it,and it is no different when using any sense rom.
The typewriter is flat..nothing that a sense rom can do to ever change that fact. If you want a true tactical feel then get a physical keyboard.. I do agree with you on this though..it isn't the most responsive keyboard I have ever used,but the stock sense keyboard to me is worse and laid out wrong from the start. I'll be glad when the swype keyboard is more readily available..even if it does wind up costing a few dollars.
Widgets..some cost $2.99 many though are free,and do exactly what they are supposed to do.
Again,it is all a personal choice on what a person has on their phone,and what they consider to be utilitarian or beautiful. As I see it,Ubuntu is refined and certainly is a breath of fresh air for those who enjoy having a nice theme on their phone. What can be added and taken away has a certain appeal for many people. My wife loves this look..
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Her needs wants and desires are far different than many others. She also wants her phone different than anyone else so she wants something that is clean..elegant..and yet sophisticated. She can have this with this home screen,and those icons.It isn't cluttered with anything,and is to her liking. To her and many like myself,having animated weather widgets is not needed or wanted,nor is having a boring ass flip clock wanted either.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,just as we all set these phones up to our individual needs,wants,and desires. While having a sense rom is fine and works for many with everything it offers,it isn't the end all, for everyone else. It can be utilized for what ever we load on it regardless wither it is a sense based rom or not.Some here seem to forget that others have no need for all of the what a sense rom offers,and they also forget we all have different taste in decoration and different needs. Some have minimal needs but yet still like to customize their phone to their personal taste.Some here never use their phone for work,but others do,so their needs are much different.
In the end it is just a matter of personal taste,wants,and desires. If you feel a sense rom is the best..well..that is your opinion and certainly are entitled to it. I see being able to choose what we want on our phones as a more important topic than which is better..because this we can do,and not have to settle for what our carriers force upon us.
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I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..

I'm a fan of the sense apps, but I prefer clean and simple on my home screen. So, I use launcher for the simple, clean look it provides and then I just go to my app folder and use the sense apps because the ROM I'm using is a sense-based ROM. It's like the best of both worlds. I can totally understand the OP's point of view and I don't like to pay for apps that do the same thing the sense apps do. So, I have just combined my likes from the two worlds and tried to remove the dislikes. All-in-all, I'm very pleased with the personalization the android platform offers, which I would risk saying is why most of us have the Hero in the first place.
Kudos to open forums and everyone getting to express their own personal opinions. And it's good to see no one flaming the OP for his!
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First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
The clock app beats the pants off of AOSP's pathetic and frankly, ugly one. Why should I have a pathetic looking clock that can't do half of what Sense's can, when I have all of those features tied into one and it looks professional?
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This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
I don't like Ubuntu. I never liked the way it looked; it had and always seems to have this "accessibility over design" look to it. When I see AOSP android, that's exactly what I see. Ugly, unrefined Android.
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That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
The lockscreen; forgive me if I'm being too literal here, but I was under the impression that a Lockscreen was made so that no phone interaction would happen accidentally. Why would I even want to risk having a slider that can silence my phone on my lockscreen? And again, the ugliness factor is just appalling. Everything is so big and bubbly.
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I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
The Sense Launcher has something that so far, I can't seem to find from any other launcher; G-Sensor screen switching. No matter what screen I'm on, I just give my phone a quick shake, and I can see them all. AOSP doesn't let you do that, as far as I know.
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are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
The AOSP keyboard; in all honesty, it's just too slow and feels very flat. The text prediction gets to be too confusing, and using the space bar only helps until you don't mean to add a period after a word and then typing becomes a chore.
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No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
The Sense Widgets: Simply put, I don't WANT to pay 2.99 for BW when I have excellent widgets already available to me. The Clock widget is a must, as is the messaging Widget. Why should I have to pay for Launcher Pro Plus when I already have these (I bought LPP before coming to this realization)
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If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
The Sense Dialer; When I turn on my phone, and I want to quickly dial a contact, all I have to do is open up the dialer and start spelling the contact's name out through the dialpad keys. Does AOSP's dialer let you do this? Ha, one would wish. Instead, I have to go through the phone app to get to the Contact list, then press search, wait for the search bar to appear, and then start to type out the name on the terrible on screen keyboard, and then click again to get to a contact's page, and then press on the dial button.
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Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
Contact management; One of the things that you can't do with AOSP and have to do in the GMail interface is being able to add contacts into groups other than just Favorites. With Sense, I can have as many groups as I want, which is useful, since I can have widgets of just one group of Contacts.
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There are apps that will let you do thi.
The Calender app: The Sense Calender sorts my different details about a calender date into little sections, the AOSP one just bunches all the details up together, making it far more annoying to discern different things.
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I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.

The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
I love Sense UI and miss much of it now that I don't have it but, for me, the trade-off is worth it. I enjoy my phone now in ways I didn't believe would be possible.
For others who don't view Sense UI as creating problems, that's great!
No one will criticize someone for having their phone perform the way they want it to!

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I used to be a Die-hard sense fan.. but Now I like simple.. which is a few widgets..etc and nothing more.. and everything within reach of my finger.. 3 screens at the most..etc..
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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.

I use a Sense ROM but I really can't stand the slowness of opening and navigating the HTC contacts, messaging, calendar, clock, and music apps. They move at a snail's pace compared to their AOSP counterparts, which frankly navigate through menus almost instantly. So, I replaced all of these with the AOSP 2.1 versions (except for contacts, which is not really replaceable).
However I agree with the HTC dialer app being the best in terms of functionality.

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The wonderful thing about having an Android phone is that we can tailor the device to suit our individual tastes and preferences. It's kind of like being an American!
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THIS......
At least until the government mandates we all buy regular cell phones under the disguise of "free cell phones for all"

I don't see how the vanilla lockscreen is uglier than the Sense one at all. Never had a problem with unlocking or silencing the phone while in my pocket either, gotta thank the Menu button unlocking the phone being disabled by default for that..

I am a Sense user up until now. There are no disputde that sense + widgets are nice and available readily from HTC (That's what we paid for). Of course AOSP is different. It's an open source development and offer as plain as possible so that users can freely use any widgets and customize the phone the way they wanted. To me Sense is just a layer on top of the AOSP or another term it's just a Launcher that was written and customized by HTC.
Why am I walking away from the current 2.1 sense?
-It's simple CM6 Froyo 2.2 OS is faster than the current 2.1 OS.
-If I compared Sense 2.1 vs AOSP 2.1, I would pick Sense because the performance is the same but on the plus side is Sense package is readily available.
-If I compared Sense 2.1, AOSP 2.1 vs CM6 Froyo. Froyo is faster by a mile ( I am not talking about benchmark, i am talking about real time performance)
I only switched a way from sense 2.1 since CM6 was available as nightly and there are couple of times turned back to the latest Sense ROM but only to find that it was a disappointment in performance. You just need to be patient and find the right sense like widgets for your CM6 or wait until Sprint release Sense 2.2

Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.

unCoRrUpTeD said:
First I want to say that had it not been for CM6 I would still be using sense, but have had far better performance from this AOSP rom than with another Sense ROM. I use to love sense and would never give up its look and feel. Now if they can get a sense froyo rom that runs as smooth as CM6 I might actually use it. Most are looking for performance and speed. CM6 gives that to us.
This depends on what you want your clock to do. I agree that the AOSP clock app isn't as visually pleasing, but I don't need a world clock or stopwatch or timer.
That is why there are themes and different launchers, just like you can do with ubuntu.
I have actually had more accidental answered calls with the sense lock screen when I pull my phone out of its holster. The stock htc sense lockscreen is the one that is visually appalling
are you to lazy to just press the home button. I think that shaking it is more of a show-off to other people
No matter what ROM i run i prefer swiftkey over aosp or htc. I do notice that the aosp does not have as much lag as HTC's
If you have it use it. Others don'w want sense and therefor pay for these apps. How much did that $2.99 hurt you?
Dialer One does the same thing. I have a themed one since I didn't like the original look
There are apps that will let you do thi.
I use calwidget which is free and there are also many more than do it to
Yes you have to download some app to do what sense does, but they still take up less space than all the sense crap. Just look at the size of CM6 + google apps and the size is half of the sense roms.
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Thank you for COMPLETELY ignoring the very first part of my post, I appreciate your reading skills.

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Sorry to say this, but this is the most useless thread ever. You just stated an opinion... it doesn't help the board at all lol. But I personally use CM6 RC1 with my Sense theme on it. I use Fancy Widget and Calwidget, and it looks exactly like Sense, but has the complete customizablility of CM6.
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Oh? Is there supposed to be a purpose for each and every thread in the General Section? Fancy Widget is still just a widget, the Clock App and the Weather App from Sense don't come with it. Sense is not just about LOOKING good, it has the apps to back it up

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This.
Plus, Sense = slower than molasses. CM6 = faster than a monkey on fire.
So, FOR MY NEEDS, CM6 >>>>>>>>>> Sense.
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+1 very nicely said

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+1 very nicely said
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On an overclocked/undervolted kernel? Have you ever seen Zen-ROM? My guess is not.

Whats the with hostility in OP's post? lol

TouchWiz > Vanilla Android

Okay, the title is not totally true - but I had to name this post something to get your attention.
The point of this post is to inquire about why so many people hate on TouchWiz. I sold my Vibrant and moved to Nexus S for a various of reasons but I find myself missing quite a few aspects of TouchWiz.
For example, how Samsung put the bluetooth/GPS/silence/WiFi buttons in the pull down menu - brilliant use of otherwise empty space. How on the dialpad you could easily call someone without having to access contacts by simply typing their name. How the SMS app had great alternating text/color chat (yes I know handsent app, etc. but I am talking about stock). (And of course, I like TouchWiz launcher over Vanilla launcher but that is more of a personal preference than a superior feature.)
I am sure there are advantages Vanilla has over TouchWiz but after using both I hardly see why TouchWiz gets so much hate.
Okay I am back to trolling Nexus S forums.

Not a big fan of the iphone-esque square icons so I use launcherpro, but otherwise, it's great.

I like TW and ADW.
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TW + launcher pro is >>>> all
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Also there is great syncing between contacts in MMS app as well.
I type the company name of some contact and name appears in messaging app.

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Okay, the title is not totally true - but I had to name this post something to get your attention.
The point of this post is to inquire about why so many people hate on TouchWiz. I sold my Vibrant and moved to Nexus S for a various of reasons but I find myself missing quite a few aspects of TouchWiz.
For example, how Samsung put the bluetooth/GPS/silence/WiFi buttons in the pull down menu - brilliant use of otherwise empty space. How on the dialpad you could easily call someone without having to access contacts by simply typing their name. How the SMS app had great alternating text/color chat (yes I know handsent app, etc. but I am talking about stock). (And of course, I like TouchWiz launcher over Vanilla launcher but that is more of a personal preference than a superior feature.)
I am sure there are advantages Vanilla has over TouchWiz but after using both I hardly see why TouchWiz gets so much hate.
Okay I am back to trolling Nexus S forums.
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Vanilla has no advantages. Touchwiz just adds extra features and functions on top of Vanilla. I personally dont like the launcher and running Launcher Pro Plus with Gingerbread theme. The people that say TW is not good, simply are too stupid to understand what Touchwiz is
Its hard to go back to Vannilla.........

I like the notification toggles and the full codec support (which isn't really TW, just Samsung). I hate the dialer / contacts changes, really miss old-school CM-modified contacts/dialer app. Launcher & messaging just don't matter one way or another because they're so easily replaced by superior apps.

Saiboogu said:
I like the notification toggles and the full codec support (which isn't really TW, just Samsung). I hate the dialer / contacts changes, really miss old-school CM-modified contacts/dialer app. Launcher & messaging just don't matter one way or another because they're so easily replaced by superior apps.
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I actually prefer TW dialer vs stock.
Sense is another overlay. even better then Touchwiz. I heard MotoBlur sucks.

Yeah the only thing I hate about Twiz is the launcher. The other enhancements are great.
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TouchWiz is good. It's just ill-optimized.
Stock Android does not look good.

N8ter said:
TouchWiz is good. It's just ill-optimized.
Stock Android does not look good.
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Gingerbread changes all that Vanilla android (pre 2.3) in my opinion looks fine. I prefer features than it looking pretty.

The launcher is the only part i dont like.
Everything else is awsome, I looked it over sense because sense feels heavy.
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zephiK said:
Gingerbread changes all that Vanilla android (pre 2.3) in my opinion looks fine. I prefer features than it looking pretty.
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TouchWiz adds features to Android. It doesn't take anything away, so that part of you statement (the last sentence) makes zero (0) sense. Some things like Mobile AP were huge advances over what Stock Android had to offer, not to mention the fact that Stock Android Widgets are simply terrible as well (which is part of HTC Sense's allure - it has Awesome widgets), as well as its Social Network integration.
I think you should think of these things more as a consumer than a tinkerer. They do outnumber "us" and they have expectations and requirements that the minority takes for granted.
Also, Gingerbread doesn't change anything. You can go use a Nexus S and see. It changes very little. A few cosmetic changes, and that's it.
You can buy a better keyboard on FroYo or Eclair no problem (or use Skype).
The UI overhauls were pushed back to Honeycomb, and I don't have much faith in Google - who have historically proved they are inept when to comes to UI design. I think they did buy a company that does this kind of work, so maybe they'll suprise me.
Doubt I'll be on Android by the time that's released, though, unless they change the way the phones are updated.

I like the Tw extra features, the look of it not so much. I use it with launcher pro which just gives a your own look, I didn't know how I would like it coming from MT3G LE. But I gotta say that's one of the features holding me back from buying the nexus s.
Vibrant

N8ter said:
TouchWiz adds features to Android. It doesn't take anything away, so that part of you statement (the last sentence) makes zero (0) sense. Some things like Mobile AP were huge advances over what Stock Android had to offer, not to mention the fact that Stock Android Widgets are simply terrible as well (which is part of HTC Sense's allure - it has Awesome widgets), as well as its Social Network integration.
I think you should think of these things more as a consumer than a tinkerer. They do outnumber "us" and they have expectations and requirements that the minority takes for granted.
Also, Gingerbread doesn't change anything. You can go use a Nexus S and see. It changes very little. A few cosmetic changes, and that's it.
You can buy a better keyboard on FroYo or Eclair no problem (or use Skype).
The UI overhauls were pushed back to Honeycomb, and I don't have much faith in Google - who have historically proved they are inept when to comes to UI design. I think they did buy a company that does this kind of work, so maybe they'll suprise me.
Doubt I'll be on Android by the time that's released, though, unless they change the way the phones are updated.
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Google also hired one of the guys who was in charge of WebOS UI design so I think they may have something stellar with Honeycomb.
Back on topic, all the things I hate about TouchWiz are easily replaced by Launcher Pro Plus.
The other TouchWiz additions are pretty functional and add a lot of value.

N8ter said:
TouchWiz adds features to Android. It doesn't take anything away, so that part of you statement (the last sentence) makes zero (0) sense.
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I'm a diehard CM fan form the G1 days, so TW was a bit of culture shock to me. Even ignoring the visual changes, and swapping out the launcher, I was cursing the dialer everytime I went to switch from dialer to contacts, or try to check how long ago I called someone.
N8ter said:
not to mention the fact that Stock Android Widgets are simply terrible as well (which is part of HTC Sense's allure - it has Awesome widgets),
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Stock widgets are functional. Sleek and functional too. Maybe not flashy, but they work. TW widgets? Ugh, don't get me started on that bit of bloat. LauncherPro widgets have them both beat though - better functionality than stock, better look than TW.
N8ter said:
I think you should think of these things more as a consumer than a tinkerer. They do outnumber "us" and they have expectations and requirements that the minority takes for granted.
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Which is why all I ask is they keep the changes modular. Leave stock launcher in, they have more than enough room to spare. Keep core functionality like the dialer standard across the board. Nothing to stop them from doing some "People" app or something like that to house the dialer changes.
The one thing I'll give Samsung, from a power user point of view - notification bar toggles were brilliant. Other than that, I cringe when I boot a new ROM and see stock TWlauncher, or just about every time I fire up the dialer.

Samsung's stock widgets are terrible compared to Moto and HTC's. Even SE and LG has better widgets.
The TW Launcher looks decent but it was rushed together to look like iOS and not much beyond that.
A widget slashed down to 4x1 or 4x2 (Daily Briefing with Just Calendar)taking up an entire home screen is not Sleek or Functional. No Mail, SMS/MMS, Calendar, Media Player widget. Not to mention they all look terrible, especially the Title Bars and bevels around most of them.
TouchWiz gives you less at a glance than Sense and the Droid X UI (which isn't really MotoBlur), so I tend to waste more time finding information on my Vibrant than I did on my HTC device.
If the market was full of good widgets, I guess I wouldn't have this particular problem.
Most of the other changes attributed to TouchWiz aren't necessarily linked to TouchWiz (or rather, can be implemented without being dependent on it).
Media Codecs can be added to Stock Android. DLNA, MobileAP, etc. can all be added to Stock Android.
Also, the inability to edit the shortcuts at the bottom of the screen coupled with the inability to set a decent home screen makes TouchWiz a PITA to use. You're basically forced to used 7 home screens unless you want to have a very odd Home Page setup with uneven scrolling to get from screen to screen.
Another thing I noticed is that icon placement seems to be different than other launchers. GMail unread count is played perfectly in Sense, but in TouchWiz the icon is set way lower than everything else. Motorola implemented unread counts into their Launcher, and I hope everyone else does the same (for Messaging, Email, Gmail, etc.).

Kubernetes said:
Yeah the only thing I hate about Twiz is the launcher. The other enhancements are great.
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/Twerd.
-bZj

Am I the only one who enjoys motoblur?

I see all the hate on this forum about motoblur and how crappy it is. I seem to be the only one who likes it.
I've used TouchWiz, Sense, Stock and MotoBlur, and Moto is probably my favorite! Sense comes in second, Touchwiz can go die.
Why all the hate on Blur?

Ya not a fan of motoblur at all when I get this phone I'm going to be running launcher pro plus on this for sure might give blur five minutes of my time but that's it....

yes u are the only one

I like Blur better than sense and definitely touchwiz, but I think most people prefer the speed that the "vanilla" experience android delivers.

I have not owned a Motorola phone since the Verizon Moto Q, so I cannot say Blur is terrible or good, but from the looks of it the only thing I dislike is the blue and green call/contacts button. If I end up hating it I will just load up Launcher Pro or hopefully I will see some custom roms with stock at some point in the future.

I don't like blur but I can live with it. I find it better than HTC sense and the like but at least give us an option to turn it off like seriously Motorola.

PixoNova said:
I see all the hate on this forum about motoblur and how crappy it is. I seem to be the only one who likes it.
I've used TouchWiz, Sense, Stock and MotoBlur, and Moto is probably my favorite! Sense comes in second, Touchwiz can go die.
Why all the hate on Blur?
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That's how I feel as well, although I do prefer "vanilla" over all...

I can see why some people might prefer the vanilla/stock android experience. But I always hear how Blur can be laggy on phones and such. I haven't experienced any lag (Moto FlipSide)
I do kind-of like Sense. Only if it's on a nice sized screen, unlike the Aria. But I most likely will be keeping Blur, as I like all the widgets available.

YES!!!!
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I have tried droid x. Blur sucks. Even with the latest update the system was laggy. However it will work great sometimes but had sudden lags in launching browser. Sometimes it would hang and take a few seconds to go back to home screen. I returned it and will be getting thunderbolt when it comes out. I went back to att for 2-3 weeks until thunderbolt comes out. i will be porting my number back if I decide to get thunderbolt. I like htc sense specially the newest version that is in the inspire 4g and will be on the thunderbolt as well. It is snappy as hell. It might have to do with the second gen snapdragon processor.

I haven't used it yet, but the only thing I can see hating about it is the contact button (along with only having a three icon dock, but I could deal with that). Why the hell does there need to be a contact button? If you open the phone app you can go to your contacts right from there. I'd much rather see messaging or the browser. Some kind of central messaging app that pulled in all of one's SMS, emails, facebook, twitter, etc would be cool, I suppose. Better than contacts, at least.

That's a damn good idea a centralized notification button... But I guess it would have a big similarity to the notification bar tho. Still think that's a good idea tho
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At first I was OK with blur but once you try out other options like Launcher Pro or ADW you might change your mind. Granted, Blur does have decent widgets to supplement it but it left me wanting more.
Now I'm using Launcher Pro + Beautiful Widgets and am loving it.

johnnydeathmatch said:
I haven't used it yet, but the only thing I can see hating about it is the contact button (along with only having a three icon dock, but I could deal with that). Why the hell does there need to be a contact button? If you open the phone app you can go to your contacts right from there. I'd much rather see messaging or the browser. Some kind of central messaging app that pulled in all of one's SMS, emails, facebook, twitter, etc would be cool, I suppose. Better than contacts, at least.
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Blur contacts works differently than standard android contacts, as it integrates with the social networking. I'd give more detail, but I haven't touched my backflip in a month and haven't had it on a stock ROM since ~november so I don't remember all the specifics. (Used a "deblurred" ROM someone at M3 cooked up till I got a free Aria)
The messaging app does provide a universal inbox. the one one my backflip would pull everything but my gmail into it, and I'm sure I could have set it up so that it pulled that too.

PixoNova said:
...Moto is probably my favorite! Sense comes in second, Touchwiz can go die.
Why all the hate on Blur?
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thunderpack said:
I like Blur better than sense and definitely touchwiz...
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Okay please state why you like Blur better. I've never used it but am trying to keep an open mind. I just love Sense and as of now am not sure I can function without it so lets hear it. Obviously it's a personal thing but is there anything in particular...?

lol
yes you are

looks so simple and ****ty

opensourcefan said:
Okay please state why you like Blur better. I've never used it but am trying to keep an open mind. I just love Sense and as of now am not sure I can function without it so lets hear it. Obviously it's a personal thing but is there anything in particular...?
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Pretty much the style. I don't hate Sense, like I said, it comes second IMO. Overall, through general usage, that's how I determine if I like it or not.

As far as moto blur is concerned, IMO it works just fine as a launcher.
So here are the Pros and Cons as I see them
Pro
Simple Layout
Decent Widgets
Unified inbox
Motoblur.com (find my phone, contacts back and edit, remote wipe etc...)
Cons
Does not have a polished look or feel like stock or Sense
I feel like it was an interface designed for teens
Cannot customize the shortcuts on the launch bar
Only 3 shortcuts on the launch bar
Occasional lag when launching apps (this could be that I have only used blur on low-end to mid-level android phones)
No option to bypass motoblur account setup
Overall, it comes down to personal preference and how you feel about it. You won't know until you try it. So far, I have used launcher pro on every android phone I have ever owned, but I always started with the out of box experience before I made the switch each time. I like that LP is customizable, and fast, and you can make just about any device look similar to stock/vanilla android id you want. The only problem with LP is that when I tried it on the Inspire 4G it disabled all of the kick butt HTC widgets, but there are alternatives such as Beautiful Widgets.
My nervousness falls around the screen resolution. I tried Laucnher Pro on my galaxy tab. and it didn't look right with that screen resolution. The resolution on the tab is high enough to have 5 shortcuts on the home screen side by side, and LP only has 4 so things looked oddly proportioned and stretched...

Blur itself has some good features - namely remote wipe and the news widgets that you can set to sync over wifi only - if you want.
If you are really into account integration you get to mix them all into one interface...
twitter, myspace, facebook, photobucket, linkedin, picasa, etc.
I prefer to just use the apps for these products and not do the MotoBlur integration - and you can do this - just don't set them up in MotoBlur. If you don't use Motoblur widgets, then you never really see MotoBlur. Change the launcher to ADW and you are done.
Compared to the captivate and Touchwiz, Motoblur is a lot less intrusive. Calendar, Contacts and Email work the way they are supposed - and are easy to use. I bought my captivate for specs, but the software mods on calendar and email suck.
The only MotoBlur thing you can't turn off is the sync of contacts and settings that are done on the phone. So if you create a new contact on the phone it is also created on the Blur server as backup - you can't turn this off.
On the good side, if you wipe your phone and you have to set it up from scratch, using the same blur account, it recreates most of your settings and widgets and email accounts.
As for Lag - people complain about it, but I have had Droid X and Bravo and they run fine. But, again, i only use the news widget and no social network accounts.

Motoblur

Funny thing, I've been using a Nexus One for the past year and advocating stock Android over all skins, but to be honest with you, I really don't mind Motoblur on the Atrix. Maybe I just hated Sense all along and thought they were all the same, but Motoblur doesn't take over the phone as bad as Sense does and adds just enough over stock Android to make the phone more user friendly.
I was using LauncherPro Plus on my N1...and I can install it anytime I want to on my Atrix, but for the time being, I choose not to. There.

I have to agree I don't see anything really bad about blur. I too would prefer stock but its not terrible and it hasn't degraded the performance of my phone at all...

Yeah I have always used Go Launcher EX with my Streak until now. I actually prefer Blur now.. Its pretty nice and I dont understand what the big complaint is

im liking it too....but i wish we could change the dock icons?

So I for one have not enjoyed MotoBlur. But maybe I am doing it wrong.
What I really need is a walkthrough on how to set up MotoBlur the right way. I come from an N1 where we didnt have the BlurAccounts (and it confuses my small brain) and the contact syncing was done app by app.
Someone, walk me through it and how it all should work. You will be my hero (for like an hour).

I installed LauncherPro right away because I like having more persistent functions throughout my screens.

Has anyone rooted and then used Titanium backup to freeze motoblur and then use vanilla android only?

if you want to understand the big issues with blur, this is excellently written.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2011/02/23/editorial-motorola-sort-blur-out-or-give-it-up/
couldn't agree more about the account management.

I didn't mind Motoblur either.. it was quick and smooth for me... but this is also my first android experience. I tested out and then bought Launcher Pro Plus for the widgets...I could have stayed with Motoblur but the reason I decided to stay with Launcher Pro is because the customization of transition animations between homescreens (say that 3x flast), the Widgets on Launcher Pro are better (at least the facebook and Calendar widgets are) and it feels a tad bit snappier (plus I like being able to control how many homescreens I want, and the option to have a scrolling dock!).

pluses of motoblur: text selection in text fields is loads better - similar to the iPhone, it has all the necessary exchange policies to work with most corporations without the need of Touchdown