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wow...the vibrants ram is crap....

Im running on simply honey 3.5 gingerbread.... I cant even leave the browaer open to go back to check my facebook without comibg back seeng it reload... and i never get more than 150+ free memory... my aunts iphone 3gs has more free ram... and i know that it has 512mb shared but seriously.. Compared to other 512mb phones this is bull****... they get more than 200mb user ram...

Isn't that based on your internet connection, not ram? lol
and misclicked and hit thanks on accident. -_-

No...i cant multitask more than 4 simple apps at a time withought it shutting them off... terrible..

Mine's working just fine to be quite honest..what are these "simple apps" of yours?

Must just be the ROM.
I have facebook, web browser, twitter, engadget, xda, and more multi-tasked on Bi-Winning and they aren't ever closed.

helikido said:
Im running on simply honey 3.5 gingerbread.... I cant even leave the browaer open to go back to check my facebook without comibg back seeng it reload... and i never get more than 150+ free memory... my aunts iphone 3gs has more free ram... and i know that it has 512mb shared but seriously.. Compared to other 512mb phones this is bull****... they get more than 200mb user ram...
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Are you retarded?
Really?
There's so much wrong with your post that I don't even know where to begin. Hence why I ask:
Are you retarded?

Text plus..... facebook... music and web

R u stupid?
all the people who have replied.underatood what i asked PERFECTLY!!
Hence i ask..
r u stupid?
@ruther...

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Must just be the ROM.
I have facebook, web browser, twitter, engadget, xda, and more multi-tasked on Bi-Winning and they aren't ever closed.
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Well i dont have problems on 2.2.1 roms but on every ginger rom like asgard and simply honney.... the ram is basicly crap cuz ginger takes like 210mb on startup :/

Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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Well it's clearly the rom/kernel's fault. Just go back to 2.2 roms if you're facing issues.
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ECOTOX said:
Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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Thank you for having the patience to write it out. Perfectly put.

also, if youre using a RAM optimization app, that could be doing it as well...

ECOTOX said:
Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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This. Couldn't have said it any better Eco.

It's a setting you have on which is likely set to "Agrressive" meaning the minute the ROM doesn't think you need an app, it closes it, regardless of RAM. I can run quite a lot of apps simultaneously all the time. Not a RAM problem.

ECOTOX said:
Its not the rams fault for processes being killed. Its the ROM/ Kernel your on. You don't want processes being killed use less aggressive LMK settings. The ram on the vibrant works perfectly as it should, this is merely a case of your system not being optimized for what you want. So simply....go fix it. Use less aggressive setting for LMK and a kernel with more user ram. But to be honest this thread has been repeated 1billion times over and people just need to get over the fact that Linux/Android IS NOT LIKE WINDOWS...free ram is wasted ram
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Yes, +1.... I Also Say thank you to Ecotox for articulating how Android works so well.
Furthermore, 2.3 roms really only face a 2-3 of real issues:
Because of porting and lack of dedicated Vibrant drivers we have too much battery demand/drain.... the lack of GPS because of no source code or drivers.... because of lack of drivers there are a few small hesitations as a result of porting.
But that said, All in All, the developers have done nothing shy of remarkable work getting these ported roms to work nearly perfectly...... their skills is why we have such choices.
Rather than complaining.......... try to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem/noise..........

Thanx everyone... now I understand.
What app is there on the market or anywhere that can have me set the ram from agresive to least agresive cuz I don't think spare parts work.

RAM

I have rooted my Asus TF, Put on the H 3.1 os, used Clemsyn Blades kernel, running very nicely. I have rooted it, and uninstalled crap like facebook, books, splashtop etc...lot of useless bloatware is out...However here is the problem........LOW MEMORY....This machine has ram of 1GB, and only 800mb shows, so almost 200 for the GI, and out of that 800, about 400mb is always used, despite using various app killers, I think we should be able to get it to about 200mb used? anyone know where so much of ram is bieng eaten
My question to you great knowledgeable friends is;
1) how to get rid of more useless apps eating memory
2) does using a different launcher reduce ram eating?
3) is it possible to achieve about 200-300mb consistent ram?
This is an awsome machine, I think more tweks we can make is super. I have a Samsung GS2, I have removed most of the stock stuff on it and set up my ownlauncher etc. It runs with amazing memory, 500mb free, and awsome graphics interface. Less nonsense.

MasterfullDON said:
I have rooted my Asus TF, Put on the H 3.1 os, used Clemsyn Blades kernel, running very nicely. I have rooted it, and uninstalled crap like facebook, books, splashtop etc...lot of useless bloatware is out...However here is the problem........LOW MEMORY....This machine has ram of 1GB, and only 800mb shows, so almost 200 for the GI, and out of that 800, about 400mb is always used, despite using various app killers, I think we should be able to get it to about 200mb used? anyone know where so much of ram is bieng eaten
My question to you great knowledgeable friends is;
1) how to get rid of more useless apps eating memory
2) does using a different launcher reduce ram eating?
3) is it possible to achieve about 200-300mb consistent ram?
This is an awsome machine, I think more tweks we can make is super. I have a Samsung GS2, I have removed most of the stock stuff on it and set up my ownlauncher etc. It runs with amazing memory, 500mb free, and awsome graphics interface. Less nonsense.
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If you haven't done so already you could use Titanium Backup to remove more stuff (including system apps) since you're rooted. I would advise caution however in case you remove the wrong thing. Perhaps someone else can post regarding which particular system apps are safe to remove, as I haven't expreimented with this myself.

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If you haven't done so already you could use Titanium Backup to remove more stuff (including system apps) since you're rooted. I would advise caution however in case you remove the wrong thing. Perhaps someone else can post regarding which particular system apps are safe to remove, as I haven't expreimented with this myself.
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Ive done that and removed about 10 items. Its running well at 1.4GHz but only problem too much ram usage.

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If you haven't done so already you could use Titanium Backup to remove more stuff (including system apps) since you're rooted. I would advise caution however in case you remove the wrong thing. Perhaps someone else can post regarding which particular system apps are safe to remove, as I haven't expreimented with this myself.
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He could just freeze them first and play with the tf a couple of days and if there are no problems, delete them.
Removing junk isn't a bad thing to do, but in my experience, app killers do more bad than good in android. Other than in windows, you don't need tons of free ram to run apps smoothly. Android has a great ram management that fills your ram with apps for fast access, and closes the least used/needed when another app requests more ram. So if you use an app killer, your tf will have more to do with restarting the apps you just closed and your performance will actually decrease. Google it and you'll know what I mean.
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MasterfullDON said:
Ive done that and removed about 10 items. Its running well at 1.4GHz but only problem too much ram usage.
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As i said before, much ram usage isn't necessarily a bad thing. It only eats performance if a running app is badly coded and doesn't give its ram free when required. Then you better kill this specific app instead of autokilling stuff. Well coded apps won't eat your performance, no matter how much ram is used.
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300Mb oof ram are dedicated to Nvidia Tegra 2. For this reason you read "only" 700Mb. Maybe in near future we will able to allocate more memory than 256Mb to our Tegra 2

memory usage doesn't mean too much now if the app/programe is properly coded, when needed, android should be able to release them on the fly......
same goes to my windows 7 machine, it's got 8 gig memory but the free memory always remains under 500M because the system is using them to cache most recently used applications.
Constantly clearing memory will not help too much, and believe or not, it worsens both the performance and the battery life..
but again, android is not as robust as windows in the terms of memory management, so it's not a bad idea to occasionally take a look at the actual memory usage but just don't go too excessive...

Screwing around with app-killers is never a good idea. Are you actually experiencing issues due to insufficient RAM? I've never had an issue with RAM on my Transformer. Android is much better at handling its memory than people are, let it do its thing.
And for the record, RAM is there to be used. It's the fastest memory a device has, so the more it makes use of, the better. If something else needs more RAM, Android will flush out something that doesn't need it.
I think app-killers are one of the biggest issues with Android, in that people seem to think they're necessary. Unless you actually have some app that's misbehaving or has a memory-leak or something, you shouldn't ever really need to manage your running applications. Just leave it all alone for a while and see how you go.

Midda said:
And for the record, RAM is there to be used. It's the fastest memory a device has, so the more it makes use of, the better. If something else needs more RAM, Android will flush out something that doesn't need it.
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Perfectly said. Don't mess your Transformer around with "Task Manager"-type apps.

Midda said:
Are you actually experiencing issues due to insufficient RAM? go.
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not at all. The machine is fast, its very quick and loads things quickly. The only time I had problem is using logmein, it crashed and said out of memory...I was a bit perplexed. I cleared a lot on my SGS2, and it was much faster.
Let me know any ideas, otherwise, as suggested, I will see how it goes

From my previous experience with Android devices, it's nearly impossible to increase the amount of free ram. I've tried, and only found one solution that I'll talk about later.
This isn't a bad thing. Ram is not CPU usage, and ram is going to use roughly the same amount of electricity regardless.
What android does is fill up the ram with programs that you will potentially use. That way when you want to use the program, it's already loaded in memory. When you load another program into memory, say a game, it will close apps to make room for the new app.
If you really want more memory, the closest thing is a swap file or partition. I use one on my phone, and it helps a good bit. Don't know if it would help the TF101, since it already has 1GB ram.
If you are still set on more free ram, try a program like auto memory manager (there is also another program very similar, has a blue fish for a logo but I forget the name). This doesn't kill apps in memory. Instead it changes the the when android closes programs in memory based on how much free memory is available and the priority of the program. I used it before on my phone with pretty good success, but now I use a swap file instead.
Right now I don't use a swap file or memory manager on my tf101, sine it runs great without it.

Thanks for all your responses.

I think this article should explain how Android 2.x operates. Even though the article is not about Honeycomb (Android 3.x), I doubt Google has changed how it manages memory in Honeycomb.
Article here: h**p://lifehacker.com/5650894/android-task-killers-explained-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
(Sorry, can't link due to XDA's 8+ post policy...)

I only have 55xMB memory shown in the application though.
154MB Used 398MB Free

Android 2.3 Gingerbread is a ram hog :0

Y does gingerbread hog so much ram at start up?? when i had any froyo rom... each time i booted my phone, i had about 112mb used on start up on any froyo rom.. now on any gingerbread rom, its 220mb and more on start up!! and i also notice the phone lag allot when ever used up ram reaches 280 mbs... and it never gets past taht point.... wich i dont know y because thats just a waist of ram...

unused ram is wasted ram

Froyo and Gingerbread for me is the same when it comes to free ram.

Yes..... but id like to have the option to keep that unused ram for my iser applications...

helikido said:
Yes..... but id like to have the option to keep that unused ram for my iser applications...
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That really isn't how it works.

Bad.... bescause the os kills apps that id like to have to background....when it can use upto 330mb...but chooses to not go past 280 sadly..

For me it uses about 110 MB which is a lot less than the 280 MB that froyo roms would use. I'm on cm7.1
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dardani89 said:
For me it uses about 110 MB which is a lot less than the 280 MB that froyo roms would use. I'm on cm7.1
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I think you have it backwards. That's only how much you have left... I could be wrong though. I want to get my panties in a bunch over the principles of not having gingerbread. But to be totally honest after flashing so many roms and testing so many different kernel combos and so on, I don't see the real advantage of having my resources eaten up so that I have a "CRT" screen off animation. I am an adult that needs a functioning phone. I heard way back when that 2.3 is more optimized for gaming. I haven't noticed a difference. Flame away though ye Vibrant owners....

I'm looking at the running tabs of the manage apps section and I have 120 MB taken up with another 210 MB free. I'm running Skype, kaokaotalk, Google maps, beautiful Widgets and Google voice on top of the OS and just opening up the app manager takes up 18 mb itself. In total running apps take up around 60 mb. The rest are cached. I don't think the apps are taking much memory cause they're in standby mode though. Gingerbread has been like a night and day difference compared to froyo IMHO. Much better ram management and faster switching between apps and all out performance. Try cm7.1 I highly highly recommend it. I just started using it a week ago and I'm starting to think Im an idiot for not trying it before. Along with the GPS fix and glitch kernel its much better than bionic 1.3.1 which was what I was using before.
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dardani89 said:
I'm looking at the running tabs of the manage apps section and I have 120 MB taken up with another 210 MB free. I'm running Skype, kaokaotalk, Google maps, beautiful Widgets and Google voice on top of the OS and just opening up the app manager takes up 18 mb itself. In total running apps take up around 60 mb. The rest are cached. I don't think the apps are taking much memory cause they're in standby mode though. Gingerbread has been like a night and day difference compared to froyo IMHO. Much better ram management and faster switching between apps and all out performance. Try cm7.1 I highly highly recommend it. I just started using it a week ago and I'm starting to think Im an idiot for not trying it before. Along with the GPS fix and glitch kernel its much better than bionic 1.3.1 which was what I was using before.
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Cm7 lacks hardware acceleration wich means scrolling suvks on the web and no 720p fladh vid playback... wich is something i need.

You can just use opera web browser for smooth scrolling and amazing web browsing overall. I don't know about the lack of 720p playback will check on it though.
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helikido said:
Bad.... bescause the os kills apps that id like to have to background....when it can use upto 330mb...but chooses to not go past 280 sadly..
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You really have no idea how android software manages itself, do you? I'm pretty sure the software is smarter than you are at managing your apps.
Also, the more functions you add in software, the more space it takes up in both rom and ram.
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geoffcorey said:
You really have no idea how android software manages itself, do you? I'm pretty sure the software is smarter than you are at managing your apps.
Also, the more functions you add in software, the more space it takes up in both rom and ram.
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He should probably install Android 1.1 if he wants to go back to managing his apps.

How is performance? People need to stop worrying about how RAM is being used unless they're OS engineers or at least know a bit about how memory management works. People did the same thing when Windows 7 was released because it appears to use more RAM, but overall performance with modern hardware and a good amount of RAM is much better than Win2000 and WinXP. Ideally the OS should use as much RAM as possible and swap things out when needed according to a memory management algorithm that maximizes performance, not free RAM.

Memory don't really matter unless u use browser alot an its annoying opening system panel an see 90 apps open >.<
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People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!

helikido said:
People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
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Clear your browser data.
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I have about 220 used out of 339mb honestly I have alot of apps running i do a good amount of web browsing and i have a live wallpaper going as well and i have yet to reach a point where there is not enough ram available ...This is my experience with most GB roms i have used..
I honestly think the biggest problem when it comes down to lag is people do not give enough time to run in the software.. Think about when you flash between different roms alot is changing, in some cases even the entire file system is converted. I use Simply Honey 4 now and the first day it had a little hang up here or there.. now 2 days later nothing lags not even the browser.. This was a similar experience when i tried out CM7 and Malice... Just my opinion..

helikido said:
People... i dont like the management because.obviously my phone lags too much when i start browsing the internent and open multiple tabs!!! the phone bogs down complete when ot reaches 280 mb of memory use!!!
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You're assuming that it's lagging because it's not managing memory as well as it could be, but you're jumping to that conclusion. The processor, the IO with the browser cache, lots of Flash in pages, etc. can all cause browser lag. Try setting Plug-Ins to On Demand so that it doesn't run every Flash advertisement on every page. Flash really bogs down the CPU.

[Q] RAM manager

Hi,
I looked at my free ram and on daily use I have 1 GB of free ram.
So is there any sens to use ram manger to allow android use more ram (mean to not kill app and has less free ram)?

Unused RAM is wasted RAM (just before anyone else says it )
I have 1.3GB of RAM free on my N4. I wouldn't recommend a 3rd-party RAM manager, and just trust Android to handle it
Unrelated, but I have some weird memory leak issue on my N10 that basically causes all RAM to be taken up by something eventually, and all apps end up Restarting. Quite annoying, but the only thing I can do in this situation is reboot the tablet. Can't say I've seen or heard of this on the N4.

espionage724 said:
Unused RAM is wasted RAM (just before anyone else says it )
I have 1.3GB of RAM free on my N4. I wouldn't recommend a 3rd-party RAM manager, and just trust Android to handle it
Unrelated, but I have some weird memory leak issue on my N10 that basically causes all RAM to be taken up by something eventually, and all apps end up Restarting. Quite annoying, but the only thing I can do in this situation is reboot the tablet. Can't say I've seen or heard of this on the N4.
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i cant say i like the way android does it, even though it does do it. i use greenify, and autostarts to prevent apps from starting in the background. also, i change the numbers to androids ram management. now im happy

But greenify make some apps start slower, yes? (because they have to start again)
How you change the number of free ram?

atomic339 said:
But greenify make some apps start slower, yes? (because they have to start again)
How you change the number of free ram?
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ive never noticed that its slowed.

atomic339 said:
But greenify make some apps start slower, yes? (because they have to start again)
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If you have widgets on your lock screen or on your home screen they will use up ram. Uninstall any apps you rarely use to free up ram.

Don't see why you're worried. You have as much FREE ram as an s3 does on the box
On a more serious note, I doubt you'll see any difference by freeing up ram. 500-600 mb of free ram = smooth experience generally
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I'm no expert, but what I've read on these forums, it's best to just let Android take care of it. Android has come pretty far with memory management, and third-party apps might just end up taking more RAM/battery.

You're wasting your time worrying about it.
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Johmama said:
I'm no expert, but what I've read on these forums, it's best to just let Android take care of it. Android has come pretty far with memory management, and third-party apps might just end up taking more RAM/battery.
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This is true, forget about ram manager and dont be paranoid about the free/used ram amout

Thanks for help, I will not use any ram manager etc.

RAM Usage high

Hi,
I recently moved from Note 2 to S4. With my Note 2, I was able to freeze apps with TB to a low 390-450mb used. I was curious why the S4 uses almost 1gb most of the time and I was only able to knock it down to 800mb used with freezing some apps identified on other threads.
Thanks!

I am also curious about this and I also switched from note 2 to s4 but im just going to guess because all the extra features it has and upgrades anf even if some arent in use they are probably on standby still taking up some ram, idk thats just what I think?
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taiwanese said:
Hi,
I recently moved from Note 2 to S4. With my Note 2, I was able to freeze apps with TB to a low 390-450mb used. I was curious why the S4 uses almost 1gb most of the time and I was only able to knock it down to 800mb used with freezing some apps identified on other threads.
Thanks!
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There are more sensors on the S4 and thus more services required to run. If you missed freezing them they will eat RAM, and if you freeze some you will threaten stability. If you aren't sold on the stock ROM then try something from ASOP. Or some of the fully debloated TW ROMs like GOLDENEYE.

Why do you want free RAM?
This is Android, not Windows.
You want Android to use RAM.

joeybear23 said:
Why do you want free RAM?
This is Android, not Windows.
You want Android to use RAM.
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Yep, with android "free ram is wasted ram"
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I see...
So high usage of RAM is good and won't slow down processors or heat up?
Thanks,

I don't know why you'd think it would heat up the processor, it won't.
While low ram isn't necessarily a bad thing with Android, linux based systems tend to use all the ram it can to speed things up,
With all of samsung's bloat it can slow things down if samsung bloat is taking up memory and you don't have enough for the active apps you actually using as the samsung bloat tends to stick around in ram even if your not using it.
Installing cleanrom (TW debloat) seems to have freed up some ram and things are running smoother than stock.

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I don't know why you'd think it would heat up the processor, it won't.
While low ram isn't necessarily a bad thing with Android, linux based systems tend to use all the ram it can to speed things up,
With all of samsung's bloat it can slow things down if samsung bloat is taking up memory and you don't have enough for the active apps you actually using as the samsung bloat tends to stick around in ram even if your not using it.
Installing cleanrom (TW debloat) seems to have freed up some ram and things are running smoother than stock.
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I see...I'm not an expert on it yet so I'm not too familiar with it.
Thanks for your help

taiwanese said:
I see...
So high usage of RAM is good and won't slow down processors or heat up?
Thanks,
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RAM does not heat up like a processor does, it will warm up because it has an electric current going through it, but it will not heat up more based on utilization.

Thanks for the info. Ill just leave it alone
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