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Thinking of switching from a G1 to HD2, worth it?

Hey all,
I am thinking of switching from a G1 to the HD2 but still deciding. I like the fact that I can easily load things in to it from my pc (apps, updated ROMS for the OS and all). Does the HD2 have things like that? I liked that my G1 can play nes and snes games and such.
Only thing I do not like on my G1 is the battery life, but then again any phone with a nice big screen is going to have ****ty battery life. Anyone have experience with the battery life?
Just want to see what kind of apps, hacks, and what not there are for it before I get one. I see it has a 1ghz processor, so wondering what it actually is capable of : )
Thanks guys,
Dan
(P.S. I dropped my G1 in water 3 weeks after I got it, so for the last year I am glad its even working at all lol)

I'm sure all those things are capable on an HD2, i currently don't have any games like that..........yet. But depends on how much the battery means to you, just browse the forums, you'll find lots of posts about "****ty" battery life. For me, my battery is fine. Depends on usage. As for "hacks" farthest I've gone so far is Radio and ROM flashing, which i think I'm becoming addicted to it... any more in depth hacks or warez, have to look somewhere else.

it really just depends on what you wanna do with a phone and if ur willing to use task manager on the phone a lot. I found that closing apps via task manager will help you avoid lock up problems other people are having.
i also came from the g1.
but if u like android so much, i say just wait for another android device.
Android does not equate to WinMo.
Both OSs have problems and advantages over the other.
If ur not sure, i suggest you play with a friend's HD2 or something.
I also suggeest you use the task manager when trying it out because you will probably just complain that its laggy, unresponsive and buggy if you don't use the task manager wisely.

Using task manager goes with out saying, it is a windows phone after all : P
I purchased "advanced task manager" for my G1 and use it all the time, so I am used to that anyways.
Android is neat and all, but I am really liking the youtube review and such I have seen, and what this phone can do. Especially since my G1's camera is so ****ty, and it has no headphone jack, which was a huge mistake on their part. : \

I came from the G1 too. I felt the G1 was a bit slow. Also, my G1 battery life seemed horrible. Probably around 12-14hrs before 10%-0% without too much use. Maybe the battery was old. The HD2 is currently giving me much better battery life and I use it more. I barely used the HD2 today, but it was unplugged at 9am and now it's almost 7pm with 82% battery left.
I miss the notification pulldown and the better app integration with it. With gtalk on WM, you have make about 3 taps after you see the notification to get into gtalk.
I miss the power and news/weather widgets from Android. I don't think there is a gvoice app for WM. I would have liked to be able to use gvoice since I finally got an account a couple of months ago.
I also miss the physical keyboard (a little) and the Android onscreen keyboard implementation a little. The WM onscreen keyboard is a little tricky for me since there are a couple of areas that if tapped on hide the keyboard or change it. I think it should be a long tap (instead of quick tap) to activate those annoying functions.
I never use the app store too much on Android, so I don't miss it.
My reasons for the HD2 was the faster processor and huge screen. Also the ability to play any video format.

xtenpeben said:
it really just depends on what you wanna do with a phone and if ur willing to use task manager on the phone a lot. I found that closing apps via task manager will help you avoid lock up problems other people are having.
i also came from the g1.
but if u like android so much, i say just wait for another android device.
Android does not equate to WinMo.
Both OSs have problems and advantages over the other.
If ur not sure, i suggest you play with a friend's HD2 or something.
I also suggeest you use the task manager when trying it out because you will probably just complain that its laggy, unresponsive and buggy if you don't use the task manager wisely.
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x2. you can pretty much do anything on the hd2 as you can do on the g1 but differently due to the differences in OS. i find it harder to customize the original rom on the phone vs. the stock g1 where more apps and tweaks are readily available whereas on the hd2, you gotta dig deeper (look no further then xda) for certain .cab files that are not in the marketplace or the open market to proceed with certain theme customizations.
yo, peben! this is ryan lol, good to see you posting here too.

It is worth it just for the camera, which is leaps and bounds over the G1, I had a G1.
The screen size makes it better. Bigger is better says my wife.

Beware!
Massive stability issues.

davewaave said:
Massive stability issues.
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I dropped my G1 in water 3 weeks after getting it a year or so ago. Instability is one thing I am used to. I have to pop my battery out at least twice a day. My camera doesnt turn off when I close it and just sucks battery even more horribly then the phone does normally.
Ear speaker works when it wants to, same with loud speaker.
If it is anything better then that, I will be happy.
** EDIT ** Also, is it possible to transfer contacts and what not from my G1 to this easily? I have a good few.

I came from a G1 as well and it has been well worth it for me. Yes the operating systems are different but I can do just about everything now that I can do on my G1 and its, in my opinion, more customizable. Even though I loved it I don't really miss anything about android, in fact I was getting a little bored with it. Battery life for me is much better, multimedia options are better. The speediness, ram, rom and speediness are also huge pluses. Various people have had various experiences but I never had any freezes or other issues with my using stock or custom roms.

I came from the G1. For the first week I thought I may have made a mistake.
I was VERY VERY wrong.
HD2 beats the G1 in every way.
The only thing I miss is ease of finding apps and Google Nav.
The truth is though that Copilot 8 is real Nav system (you don't have to be online to use it). It's just not integrated with gogle maps the way I wish it was.
If you love your G1, stick with it. If you want the best phone on the market,,the HD2 is where it's at.
You'll have to lean how to make all the settings and customizations (there are WAY more ways to customize than the G1) ad get used to using Google to search for apps instead of the marketplace.
After that..you'll LOVE this phone.

ministersin said:
I came from the G1. For the first week I thought I may have made a mistake.
I was VERY VERY wrong.
HD2 beats the G1 in every way.
The only thing I miss is ease of finding apps and Google Nav.
The truth is though that Copilot 8 is real Nav system (you don't have to be online to use it). It's just not integrated with gogle maps the way I wish it was.
If you love your G1, stick with it. If you want the best phone on the market,,the HD2 is where it's at.
You'll have to lean how to make all the settings and customizations (there are WAY more ways to customize than the G1) ad get used to using Google to search for apps instead of the marketplace.
After that..you'll LOVE this phone.
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I do miss those apps!! Coming form Nexus one.

I have navigation in my car, so the only thing I really do with my G1 these days is text, weather, and occasional youtube because it does not do much because of the water damage. I take pics with it sometimes and upload to picasa, but they look ****ty.
ministersin said:
I came from the G1. For the first week I thought I may have made a mistake.
I was VERY VERY wrong.
HD2 beats the G1 in every way.
The only thing I miss is ease of finding apps and Google Nav.
The truth is though that Copilot 8 is real Nav system (you don't have to be online to use it). It's just not integrated with gogle maps the way I wish it was.
If you love your G1, stick with it. If you want the best phone on the market,,the HD2 is where it's at.
You'll have to lean how to make all the settings and customizations (there are WAY more ways to customize than the G1) ad get used to using Google to search for apps instead of the marketplace.
After that..you'll LOVE this phone.
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I've have the g1 and also a hd2. the only thing I really miss is the apps for Android and ease of finding them. I never used the marketplace (it sucks!) except for like a browser or to DL or a Facebook app or something . to bump up to the hd2 is definitely worth it. specially comin from a g1. when I got it I was amazed at how quick and responsive it is. but I missed Android too much and ended up getting the nexus one so now I switch back and forth lol. if u don't think ull miss the OS all that much its deff worth getting. battery life for me I could make it bout a eight hour shift before it'd go into the red but again I was surfing the net on that thing all day at work ...days when I wouldn't power use it the battery wasn't too bad . also with the HTC sense it really covers up the Windows pretty good. and there is a emulator app for it ..nes snes genesis ...with multitouch !
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one more thing. u can sync ur Google contacts with the hd2. life saver :]
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Also coming from G1. I really loved Android and my G1 but when I saw the HD2 I knew it was over. Android is a great OS with a ton of apps, but the phone was just too slow to really take advantage of Android's capabilities.
I was planning on getting a Nexus One eventually, but I always like to try the phone out in the store a few times to see if I really like it at far as speed and ergonomics. Not having Nexus Ones in stores really hurt Google here IMHO as I probably would have gotten one.
I can say for sure that the HD2 is ultra fast with NO LAG for me. I can listen to podcasts, use navigation, switch between apps all with no freezing like I had with my G1. Plus I see way more "oohs" and "aaahs" when I use the big-ass screen in public.

Battman23 said:
Also coming from G1. I really loved Android and my G1 but when I saw the HD2 I knew it was over. Android is a great OS with a ton of apps, but the phone was just too slow to really take advantage of Android's capabilities.
I was planning on getting a Nexus One eventually, but I always like to try the phone out in the store a few times to see if I really like it at far as speed and ergonomics. Not having Nexus Ones in stores really hurt Google here IMHO as I probably would have gotten one.
I can say for sure that the HD2 is ultra fast with NO LAG for me. I can listen to podcasts, use navigation, switch between apps all with no freezing like I had with my G1. Plus I see way more "oohs" and "aaahs" when I use the big-ass screen in public.
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yeah it gets you major *****... haha jk

I came from G1, trust me well worth the switch. Processor speed and screen size combined with swype make it great. I was not in love with the idea of no keyboard, but have adjusted

robstillholdin said:
I came from G1, trust me well worth the switch. Processor speed and screen size combined with swype make it great. I was not in love with the idea of no keyboard, but have adjusted
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Well, I installed swype on my G1 just to test it out and I really like it, but now I already have it on my G1 so its not the biggest selling point lol. But so far everything in this thread is telling me its the right phone to switch to

Another G1 to HD2 person. I do miss android and hopefully soon we will have a port for the HD2.
But, the hardware is super. I love this phone. Great camera, great call quality, large beautiful screen, fast, plenty of customizations, many rom's to switch to if you want.
The more I think about this phone I would like to have android, but only as an option for the apps I like. Otherwise, winmo will do.

So many Xperia X10 issues...

Alright I have thought about making this post and after making an intense review of the latest issues users are reporting I believe now its the time.
So after 13 days of using the Xperia i have suffered from:
Extreme battery flush even in standby.(I use Task Panel lite to auto-kill apps not needed and still get surprises...)
1.6 Android compatibility issues with latest 2.1 programs.
Snapdragon processor that cant stand lagging on Timescape and Mediascape
Phone calls not heard correctly on the other side of the line.
No fre GPS support like TOMTOM or similar even do the chip is there.
Multitouch debates.
No root as of today...(yes i know no one promised...)
...and many other issues users are experimenting on their devices that really aint freaking cool.
So the dilemma is... Is it really worth all the headaches?
I mean very few have gone clean without any issues but many others have problems from the moment the Xperia pops its head out of the box.
I am starting to feel like it was a major mistake to trade in my HD2 for this so new stylish and hot piece of s*** that is begging for major concerning updates on behalf of SE. Maybe something spectacular might happen on its own that will make my 489€ phone work like it should, but as the days go by I see that if it aint one thing is another involved in the issues evolving the super dupper Xperia X10 that had promised to be the next best thing since sliced bread, but turns out its looking more like an overtoasted slice to me...
How do you people feel about this ?

Diamond777 said:
How do you people feel about this ?
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Simply put, I feel it's a spectacular phone Timescape and Mediascape need some work, but otherwise I have zero issues and I'm enjoying this phone ALOT.

Many of those are not major issues and are really the result of someone complaining. I mean 2.1 applications dont work properly with 1.6? Really? I find the phone fast and the battery great. I and many of my friend who have iphones were immediately impressed with the speed of this phone. Do you have a ton of applications constantly updating? My phone easily lasts all day long on one charge with heavy use and thats all you can ask from a smartphone. An Iphone barely lasts 10 hours for me. Couldnt tell you it didnt have multitouch because I do not miss it, or even care about it.
I am actually ecstatic with this phone. It has exceeded my expectations.

Headaches, really? I don't know what the complains are. SE told everyone that it is being shipped with 1.6. I have been using 1.6 with the HTC Magic and I knew exactly what to expect.
Battery? Read about others phones. It is the same complain all over. I remember when I had the Nokia N95 and that was the first complain out of the box. Just be patient and wait a couple of weeks to see if there is a trend.
Root? No one promised you that the phone will be rooted. Root is at the mercy of whoever is interested in tinkering with the phone.
Multitouch? Over-rated. Never liked it eventhough my HTC Magic has it with the Amon_Ra rom. I prefer using the +/-.
In the end, it is a matter of expectations. There is nothing really wrong with the phone, as promised by SE.

With complete honesty I can say that after two weeks of using the X10 I am finding little to complain about.
Battery life has improved and I can use it heavily for a full days work without problem.
Lots of reviews before release complained of lag, but I really have seen no lag on this phone, I am not currently using a task killer as I believe it does more harm than good.
My only 'customizations' have been to load the HTC keyboard and use K9 for email (I needed push!). Other than that I really think it is the best phone I have had.
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Yes, even with all the quirks, battery problem, unironed Mediascape (managing Playlist), X10 is my best phone yet. Can't wait for all of those stuff to be ironed out.

I had a HTC HD2 previously, was one of the first to own one. Now THAT was a phone with serious issues, pink camera pictures, sms messages stuck in outbox were the two biggest.
This Xperia X10 is a fantastic phone in comparison, I can't put my finger on what it is, maybe its the android OS, I don't know but I love it.
Issues for me inlude
Battery drainage, which I'm starting to be quite thankful for in a weird kind of way. Because it runs down by the early evening, I'm chargin g it every night, so it is always fully charged the next day
Lack of camera automatic flash is a pain.
Call volume is low.
The butons whilst making a call are odd. There are no call and reject hard keys which I find annoying.
I turned TimeScape off straight away as it was a waste.
Everything else is prety perfect for me, even the older Android OS.

Diamond777 said:
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No fre GPS support like TOMTOM or similar even do the chip is there.
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What did I miss? Since when is Tomtom free? There are enough GPS packages out there:
-iGo/MotoNav
-CoPilot
-Sygic
-etc etc
You choose!
As for your other points:
-Battery will get better, I'm now getting 48 hours out of it. All smartphones suffer from this. I see some users getting amazing results with the battery. Better standby time than any of the competition. Just give it some time to break-in nicely.
-Android 1.6 .. I don't miss anything. If 2.1 was so important to have right away you should have bought the Desire/N1 (but then you wont have the good camera and spectacular design)
-Snapdragon lags, it seems to lag sometimes on the other phones too
-Phone calls work allright for me, maybe bad reception/bad sim?
-Multitouch, same as Android 1.6, you knew it hadn't MT when you bought the device, so why complain? With the 4" screen I don't miss MT, I don't game on the X10.
-Root will come, again you knew this when you bought the phone..
The X10 is the best phone I owned period. However it could give you headaches if it's not the right phone for you. However you should have noticed that when browsing specs/reading reviews/buy the phone...

I get all your points guys and I appreciate the feedback.
Slight correction: With free GPS I meant without using 3G assistance, like Igo08 for example.
But your right, the battery issue should settle in after a few more days and I really hope to adapt myself to the X10 way of doing things.
Obviously when Timescape makes the correct modifications it will kick some serious butt... BUT for now you gotta give it to me that it was presented in a way smoother way then it really is! anyhow thanks for the feedback once again.

I have to Agree with Cinner.....after 1 1/2 weeks with this phone, I still have a hard time putting it down. The battery life could better as 10 hours of life is not enough but the overall feel and UI make up for that shortfall.
The HTC magic I had was on its 3rd replacement before trading for the X10....so far no lock ups or freezing

Diamond777 said:
I get all your points guys and I appreciate the feedback.
Slight correction: With free GPS I meant without using 3G assistance, like Igo08 for example.
But your right, the battery issue should settle in after a few more days and I really hope to adapt myself to the X10 way of doing things.
Obviously when Timescape makes the correct modifications it will kick some serious butt... BUT for now you gotta give it to me that it was presented in a way smoother way then it really is! anyhow thanks for the feedback once again.
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You can use any of the Android compatible GPS applications(Sygic,N_drive,Motonav,Copilot)without 3G assistance(Turn it off)and still get a very fast gps lock.

sammis said:
You can use any of the Android compatible GPS applications(Sygic,N_drive,Motonav,Copilot)without 3G assistance(Turn it off)and still get a very fast gps lock.
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Thanks for the tip, I will look into it

Well, none of them are free.
This is the only thing making me still use my 5800 XM as my main phone and the X10 as media device

issues with xperia x10
I agree with the original post.
I have been experiencing many issues too with xperia x10 and i am very disappointed with this device.
I had an HTC Hero before and when i now switched to xperia x10 it feels like going back in time. The user experience and usability of the interface is far from the HTC Sense UI. You can really feel that HTC has been testing, merging, integrating and polishing many nice widgets to make the user have a good use of the android phone functions.
As some examples, the x10 comes with 3 emails clients by default (e-mail, gmail, moxier mail), but none of them can show all mail accounts integrated in the same. Why so many applications for emails????
I have to switch from one application to the other to see all my emails from various accounts, ex gmail, outlook exchange i need to use moxier mail. It was also not possible to add IMAP with certificate to the standard e-mail client, you have to use another speciifc program (moxier mail) for direct connection to exchange server and synch. The calender had the same issue. The calendar widget only shows google calendar and does not integrate both outlook calendar and google in the same as the HTC Hero. HTC Hero provides a single email clienst which shows all the emails from all accounts, very nice, and so easy to set up, same for calendars.
When i first started the X10 phone it had very little on the start screan, no widgets really, only the timescape, which was empty, and a browser which was empty too. no music player widget. no weather widget by default either. very bad impression. HTc comes with all widgets pre-installed, the music player is really good. Xperia x10 media scape looks really bad in comparison.
Another issue was when i wanted to use TED application to see videos from TED talk, well no video at all, only sound plays back. the application worked perfectly in HTC Hero which had same android 1.6 version...hmmmm.
Another issue is the battery as well, i feel really as the battery is comsumed very fast, it lasted only 7h.
The screen and design cannot be changed either, or i havenät figured out how, it seems as you can change only the background picture of the desktop, but not the overall theme of the phone, incl sounds and colors of windows.
The white text on fading blue background color is very difficult to read, especially on the bottom of the device...so only the 2/3 upper part is readable when in menus/settings. I also have been missing the trackball.
In htc hero (and all other htc sense phones like htc desire) you can customise the phone screens and themes much more and the overall design is consistent in all places.
I also find no use of mediascape or timescape. Mediascape is a bit rudimental compared with other media player. Timescape is really unusable, since you can´t read the text over the images in the backgroud, and the smaller one have so small text as well.
Positive things? .. let me think hard ... yes 3: the sligthly large screen, the 8m camera, the accessories.
In xperia x10 you can feel that the SonyEricsson team was not really ready when they shipped this phone. I really hope that the 2.1 upgrade coming will also bring some better integration, consistency and GUI improvements as HTC does. Onother solution would be to get the htc sense rom on the x10.

This thread should be retitled to "So few issues with x10". The post preceding mine is downright laughable, not enough widgets! Are you serious? That's your niggle? This easily SE's most ready for primetime phone EVER.

no one is perfect. and this applies to cell phones. if you don't like it. sell it to someone else who will appreciate it more.
and btw. i am enjoying my new X10 VERY MUCH.
its nice that you point out some of the negative issues about the phone but dont make it sound like SE made the phone just for you and you are not satisfy with it.
email your pts to SE and hope they will improve base on your opinion

Completed my 15th day with X10. First few days I was worried about battery but all that got better as I know I was using my phone a lot more than I normally do the first few days as I am trying to customize and play with the phone. Now, it easily lasts me like any other phone I had recently (Nexus One, iPhone 3GS, X1, etc).
I feel it's the best phone I ever owned even though I have a long wishlist but mainly the ability to create playlists and also to be able to add a track to the listening queue and smart dialer. There are free apps for smart dialer but I love the look of X10 dialer so I end up going back to it even though I miss the smart dial feature.
I don't see any lag with TimeScape or MediaScape. All I notice is if I open TimeScape after several hours and I have several new updates on Twitter and Facebook, it takes time only because it is trying to download data to update the tiles. If I am on WiFi, even these downloads happen quite fast.
The only main mod I did is change the keyboard to Swype.

Yes The X10 have problems, some people can live and still love it, others just can't stand it. Nothing is perfect, if you can't live with it, just part with it really.
I love my X10 with all its quirks, just to be a little bit patient till the Pros root the device and start cooking. SE won't do any updates until they release Android 2.1, lucky if we get that by september.

i dont know what you talking about. i know some have batteri iddue but i think domthing is erong with the batteri or phone since i dont have anny problem. the only bug/ issue the phone has is bluetoth that will be fixt in a patch. yes it can take 5 - 10 sec load timescape but its not lagy at al at my phone. send your phone back for repair and it will be fixt
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i dont know what you talking about. i know some have batteri iddue but i think domthing is erong with the batteri or phone since i dont have anny problem. the only bug/ issue the phone has is bluetoth that will be fixt in a patch. yes it can take 5 - 10 sec load timescape but its not lagy at al at my phone. send your phone back for repair and it will be fixt
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I think you have demonstrated another 'out of the box' issue with the X10 in your post there ! The shoddy default keyboard included on the X10 I have updated to the HTC keyboard and that is workng fine now, though I still find the IPOD keyboard easier to use....

A proposal to Back to Basics.

I Propose that we go back to basics on the Newest 2.1 rom. They have the source, the offical rom, and now i feel we need to start from the begining to make a better end. The Evo is coming closer to our grasps, but those of us who can't afford it will stay with the Hero until we can get it for as long as a year or more. I know after watching the forums for quite some time that one problem has plaugued the functionality of the HTC Hero and the MT3G (Since Mt3g was my first android phone).
The Navigation of the Hero is something to be less desired of. There are three reasons why I feel, if this problem were fixed, could help us enjoy our devices a little better.
First, Overall navigation. The navigation seems to lag even when the phone is overclocked it feels like when you touch the screen it is not communicating with drivers or hardware directly and feels like it has to go through unneccessary checks and balances before telling hardware where your finger is at.
Second, Call Navigation. How many times have you ended a call only to dial another person when you put it in your pocket after locking the screen? Sure there are some who will say "I don't have this problem" Thats like saying "I am not human" I have watched my phone lag when navigating call menu's and im sure you all have as well.
Third, Music Navigation. The music application on the Hero is apauling at best. It lags and sometimes skips over several songs when forwarding to the next track. Even overclocked to 700 mhz the music app is not as responsive as it should be compared to other mp3 capable phones.
What it boils down to? No, this is not a rant. This is a proposal of back to basics and I feel regardless of how fast we can make the phones or how much we can strip the roms we will never be happy unless we solve the navigational issues driving this amazing piece of hardware down. If I had the capable means I would. I do not. I can only make proposals and suggestions hoping that the devs will see the same light I see in the same tunnel.
What do you think? Please be adult about this and creative answers only.

Theres an app for the dialer problem called Not Call Log found in the market. It seemes to be quicker when using a 1.5 ROM, but still does the trick.

I agree. Now that 2.1 has be released I think focus should be on it. However I'm sure there are devs that are doing so behind the scenes. I know Fresh has got a pretty sweet Rom out.
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I'd love to see a fully working AOSP 2.1 that has MMS working. (Darch is doing great but we still lack MMS heh)

Slow X, looking for info and/or advice

My X has been running slow and a little funny. I have froyo 2.3.15, with FlyX Rom, Revolution Themes, LauncherPro Plus, and Beautiful Widgets all running. Revolution was the last thing I added about a week ago and ever since then, it seems to be running different. Its slower to react, doesn't change from portrait to landscape very fast, whenever I unlock the screen, if I'm holding it straight up and down, it always opens into landscape mode. This seems like a pretty standard setup to a lot of people on here. Any advice and info on this topic would be appreciated, or just conversation about what others are running similar or different. Thanks a lot!
(also, I ran quadrant benchmark with scores between 1440 and 1495)

brandon2x said:
My X has been running slow and a little funny. I have froyo 2.3.15, with FlyX Rom, Revolution Themes, LauncherPro Plus, and Beautiful Widgets all running. Revolution was the last thing I added about a week ago and ever since then, it seems to be running different. Its slower to react, doesn't change from portrait to landscape very fast, whenever I unlock the screen, if I'm holding it straight up and down, it always opens into landscape mode. This seems like a pretty standard setup to a lot of people on here. Any advice and info on this topic would be appreciated, or just conversation about what others are running similar or different. Thanks a lot!
(also, I ran quadrant benchmark with scores between 1440 and 1495)
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I cannot recall whether or not FlyX includes the build.prop modifications or not, if not you would definitely want to make those. Other than that the only other thing I would recommend is giving MinFreeManager a shot, it changes the "low memory" requirements for the built in memory manager (task manager) of android. If configured properly it can really make a difference in both battery life and performance (not speed, but responsiveness). It does not do it for you, it lets you set the fields, so learn how to do it first, it varies depending on your use of your phone, I don't run any facebook or other streaming applications so my settings are 6,8,16,60,60,150 but this could vary greatly, and may adversely affect others, so read up on the app in the market.
Again that app will improve responsiveness, in that it will give you less delay when swyping the screen in the UI and such, in that your phone does not have to kill a task to free up memory to complete the next task, it will not improve benchmarks, at the same time, poor memory management will give you poor performance in real world use but may not affect your benchmarks, another reason that benchmarks are poor ways of measuring performance.
Outside of that, what it really comes down to is our Android systems need hardware acceleration... Google really needs to get of there... well... you know... and get with the game here, based off the recent discussion and their advisement to manufacturers to hold of the release of tablets until the next android release, I am hoping they are currently implementing it, but without GPU hardware acceleration in the UI and web browser, we will constantly have the appearance of choppiness and the illusion of poor performance even on our overqualified phones... it is one area where I am sad to say the iPhone has us beat... very sad to say... as a matter of fact, I just washed my mouth out with a bit of soap...
EDIT: a good example of how well that application worked for me over actual "tasks killers" on the market such as task killer and such... before having this app installed and configured, a quick investigation of "settings, applications, running services" and viewing the available memory, it would display "Avail:16MB+98MB in ##" after having this app and having it configured it displays "Avail:72MB+116MB in 26" I am assuming my poor UI responsiveness was due to the first of the two numbers...

Yeah I always hate to say that about iPhones too but they do seem to keep the same speed and responsiveness ALL the time... Oh well, they've been around a little longer so Android will just have to keep working on it. I believe it'll be there soon. I will try that app you recommended. I appreciate the speedy response.

brandon2x said:
Yeah I always hate to say that about iPhones too but they do seem to keep the same speed and responsiveness ALL the time... Oh well, they've been around a little longer so Android will just have to keep working on it. I believe it'll be there soon. I will try that app you recommended. I appreciate the speedy response.
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no problem, yeah, the iPhone has had GPU hardware acceleration in the UI since it came out, they structured their OS around it, Google chose otherwise, and I can only hope they regret that decision now... but hopefully they will make amends for that...
just make sure you read the post referenced in the app itself. It is written for the HTC Hero which only has 288MB of Ram as opposed to our 512MB Ram, but it still basically applies.
Keep in mind:
It does not automatically set on reboot until you tell it to, do not tell it to until you are sure the settings you have set do not mess with anything.
You probably will not notice a difference for about an hour... at least that's how long it took for me to truly notice a difference... I'm not really sure why, it apparently took that long for the priorities to take affect, and get the right processes killed, etc., etc. After that, especially later that day I was truly noticing a difference, especially in typing... I have always had a delay when typing on this phone, and that seems to be gone now...

yeah i was guessing that. i read an article at androidcentral.com about it and just set it to aggressive for now. applied it, but the specs under "running services" haven't changed so i'll give it an hour or so. i'll let you know how it turns out. thanks again!

brandon2x said:
yeah i was guessing that. i read an article at androidcentral.com about it and just set it to aggressive for now. applied it, but the specs under "running services" haven't changed so i'll give it an hour or so. i'll let you know how it turns out. thanks again!
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Sounds good, your welcome and good luck!
If those settings work out for you without any problems, you'll probably want to up them a bit, it might say aggressive, but they are only so aggressive... If it makes a big difference for you then stick with them, if you still have slow down, and you are running what you described before, you can probably get away running settings similar to what I posted, just don't have them set on boot just in case, if they don't work out you can always set them lower or back to a preset. It is definitely something you can expiriment with, if worst comes to worst, you can always reboot, but as long as you don't touch the first 4 values, you won't mess anything up, the worst that you will do with the last 2 is temporarly screw up facebook sync. or something similar, and really you can get away with changing the 4th value to, it just has a chance of affecting more things, but I doubt you'll end up affecting anything with values around 50 anyway. Like I said, experimenting never hurts, slow phones do... Just keep an eye on it ;-) good luck again.

To add a little correction.if you are running fly x then you are not running 2.3.15 you are running the earlier related release it Is based on. Even if you did have2.3.15 before installing it fly x over writes the system to the files it uses. All roms do. Do you actually have like 2.3.9 I think
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It does say 2.3.9. I inquired about this before because I used teamblackhat to get .15 and the system never seemed to change to .15 every time I tried to download it... I guess that's why, because of flyx...
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After reading Captian Taco's post I was eager to try it out, and its actually making a big difference =D thanks!

Yes it is... its been running much smoother and more responsive all day. Thanks again captaintaco... (boy thats kinda funny to type...)
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Thanks CaptainTaco! Installed MFM to clear up my "lag" issues that are usually experienced in the evenings after a reset first thing in the a.m. each day. Before MFM it wasn't a huge deal to do a reset to clear up the issue, but I much prefer it to just work right all the time.

pduboise said:
Thanks CaptainTaco! Installed MFM to clear up my "lag" issues that are usually experienced in the evenings after a reset first thing in the a.m. each day. Before MFM it wasn't a huge deal to do a reset to clear up the issue, but I much prefer it to just work right all the time.
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Hey don't thank me, thank the creator of MFM, I'm pretty sure he was one of the first to discover the power of Androids integrated minimum memory management, if not the first. Just glad to share my discovery of his discovery haha. But yea, to be honest I don't even use a custom Rom anymore, it runs so quick just having that (thought it works even better in conjunction with your standard simplistic task killer such as "advanced task killer" just to kill apps in the foreground after you are done with them, since many apps don't include a way of closing themselves out...
I still try the custom Roms out and play around with them for the hell of it, but as for right now, I rely heavily on corporate integration, and most of the good blurless Roms remove features required for true and proper corporate sync, such as calender sync and the like... and I just don't like touchdown pro... So this helps me out greatly... remove some bloat, throw launcher pro on there, and get this fix fired up, phone runs like a dream... now if only they could get exchange active sync running like it was on Sense... best implementation I have seen of Exchange active sync so far... I do miss that...

Well after all the advice I ended up installing the zapx rom last night. Wow! It is sooo fast... everything just responds and reacts so much faster than before. I suggest installing zapx to anyone. Best rom so far I think...
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A few reasons why this phone is a fail for converting iPhone users

A work colleague came and asked me to explain a few things about her new S3 today, since she knows I have one and she upgraded to it after having a little look at mine last week. She had an iPhone before.
1. Play Store default setting is to dump app icons all over your homescreens - she had about 30 icons dotted across her home screens, and she couldn't understand why they were duplicated there and in her app drawer.
2. The Touchwiz launcher default is not to alphabetically organise your apps, and she said she had a hard time finding each app when she wanted to use it
3. Some of the cool features are not turned on by default, and are buried in menus which a novice user is not going to find. Case in point, voice control of apps is under Settings in S Voice. First off there is no indication that Settings is even there unless you know to pres the menu button (not intuitive at all). If these features were turned on in the first place then the popup notifications you get when using the apps would've told her about their existence, and hence she could've been using them on her own.
4. Disabling built in apps - first off she had no idea that it could be done, she just knew that she couldn't uninstall them via Play Store like her downloaded apps, and there lots she wanted rid of. When I showed her the Applications Manager this caused confusion on three counts:
A) why is there two places to get rid of/disable apps,
B) why do you have to uninstall updates to some built in apps before the disable button is shown,
C) she didn't feel comfortable messing around in a menu which clearly has essential system apps with weird (to a novice) names such as Certificate Installer, Factory Test, Security Storage and com.android.smspush
5. She didn't really understand what a Widget was and why there was a list of them at the end of her app drawer, and how to use them. I can't remember whether the setup wizard covers widgets or not, but suffice to say if it did then she had not understood it, and dismissed it. She was scrolling to the end of the apps into her widgets and saying "I don't understand these funny looking apps - they don't do anything when I press them"... She did not see the tab at the top which detotes the difference between apps and widgets, and there is no other indication when you get into the widgets.
6. She says the battery life is not good compared to her old iPhone. After having a quick look at her Battery stats (unplugged after full charge, 7.5hrs off the charger 1.5hrs screen on time, 25% battery left) there was nothing in particular acting up, however her cell reception was burning a lot of the battery. She said that her reception (measured by the number of bars - I know, I know!) was not as good as her iPhone. So the 2 issues here are that her battery is objectively not as good, and her reception is subjectively not as good as her old iPhone.
7. She does like the camera, but was unaware of features such as panorama and shooting stills whilst recording video (and I'll mention again, the possibility of voice control). However she WAS aware that the new iPhone does these things (minus the voice control).
8. She didn't understand why she needed multiple accounts for things, Google, Samsung, Dropbox - she was unaware of what these accounts were even used for, and she thought it confusing to have them all on her phone. I didn't check, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was saving all her contacts to her phone rather than her Google account and thus negating a large benefit of having an Android phone.
All these things are minor to the likes of us who are used to Android, but she felt confused and out of her depth with the phone. I tried to show her stuff and reassure her, and she has said she will give it a few more days - but she isn't comfortable with it and may return it for another iPhone...
Admittedly she is not a techie sort of person, but I do feel that Samsung (and Google) could do a bit more to simplify things for the likes of her, because ultimately they are competing against Apple the masters of simple and making people feel at home with their devices.
My discussion with her has really opened my eyes as to why so many people love the iPhone, despite it being inferior in many ways to the S3. I guess you can sell a Ferrari at Ford prices, but not everyone has the skills to drive and park such a machine...
Opinions?

Literally dude I am surprised you wrote this long problem stats. First half of the things you asked are solved in settings for ex. your first problem is solved in playstore settings and similarly same with touchwiz go in menu press option button and u get grid view choose your type and your many other problems would be solved by reading whats written in plain english and smart phones are to bug around and learn about it not to keep in showcase

Nikhil'Da Devil said:
How did you last this long on this forum...................head bang
Literally dude I am surprised you wrote this long problem stats. First half of the things you asked are solved i settings for ex. your first problem is solved in playstore settings and similarly same with touchwiz go in menu prss option button and u get grid view choose your type and your many other problems would be solved by reading whats written in plain english
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That's ironic, because you clearly didn't read the beginning of his post.

For point 1, you can disable the shortcut creation in the home screen so that it will create only in the app drawer.
I expect Google having its own findmylostphone service..... Samsung drive is useless.
The one big issue that I see in S3 is the lag that is in the home screen after returning back from another app. Samsung was pathetic there. Also inside the. App drawer lags inside the widgets tab. Even though S3 is a power horse Samsung has failed in many places....
No phone is perfect to fulfil everyone's need but the features that are released shouldn't be as half baked as the TW home screen. Disappointed.
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Well you typed an essay...
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The only thing that this post proves is that most people are stupid and don't take the time to learn things that they use everyday. Why have a smartphone of u don't take the time to learn how to use it?
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Get her to go Windows. It's just two rows but more customization than IOS.
What Samsung should do is make a Galaxy S4 and a Galaxy SW. Make the hardware exactly the same but market the S4 to intermediate to advance user and market the SW with Windows Phone 9 to beginner to intermediate users.
The reason I say that this is how they should approach it is because Android is like what you described inherently. It gives you a lot of ways to do things from every screen. Samsung can't really dumb it down anymore or there is no point using Android. So Windows for beginners is how Samsung should approach it but instead of fragmenting their market just call the next Ativ S a Galaxy SW and watch the money come in from the beginners.

IPhone for girls and soccer moms. Android is for advanced users. I understand what you're getting at.
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I have a couple of friends who got the S3 just about the same time as myself. They both were ex iphone users and were both using BB torch prior to the S3. After a month, I was quite familiar with all the functions such as smart stay, direct call, swipe capture... etc. They were quite surprised that those features existed when i showed them, despite the fact there are pop up tutorials when you first use the phone. That's how i knew those features existed.
I dont think i'm any smarter than the average person, I think they are just too lazy and can't be bothered. Or maybe they are just living life and not sitting down with a computer, hitting the refresh button to see if the link to the latest JB leak have been posted up.

Nikhil'Da Devil said:
How did you last this long on this forum...................head bang
Literally dude I am surprised you wrote this long problem stats. First half of the things you asked are solved in settings for ex. your first problem is solved in playstore settings and similarly same with touchwiz go in menu press option button and u get grid view choose your type and your many other problems would be solved by reading whats written in plain english
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You apparently have a reading comprehension disability. He was pointing out that these things are not as obvious to others as they are to us, as in the case of his colleague.
This has been obvious to me since I first got an android. I have had no issues, though I have missed some options till reading about them a time or two or just forgot where they were.
That's why there will always be a need for the iPhone, for those who cannot figure **** out on their own.
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I m gs3 USEr and GS3 is really failed phone bcoz....
wt the hell this time apple really make awesome work look at the picture...
http://mediacdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/344/6674/original.jpg
lol hahahaha

setspeed said:
A work colleague came and asked me to explain a few things about her new S3 today, since she knows I have one and she upgraded to it after having a little look at mine last week. She had an iPhone before.
1. Play Store default setting is to dump app icons all over your homescreens - she had about 30 icons dotted across her home screens, and she couldn't understand why they were duplicated there and in her app drawer.
2. The Touchwiz launcher default is not to alphabetically organise your apps, and she said she had a hard time finding each app when she wanted to use it
3. Some of the cool features are not turned on by default, and are buried in menus which a novice user is not going to find. Case in point, voice control of apps is under Settings in S Voice. First off there is no indication that Settings is even there unless you know to pres the menu button (not intuitive at all). If these features were turned on in the first place then the popup notifications you get when using the apps would've told her about their existence, and hence she could've been using them on her own.
4. Disabling built in apps - first off she had no idea that it could be done, she just knew that she couldn't uninstall them via Play Store like her downloaded apps, and there lots she wanted rid of. When I showed her the Applications Manager this caused confusion on three counts:
A) why is there two places to get rid of/disable apps,
B) why do you have to uninstall updates to some built in apps before the disable button is shown,
C) she didn't feel comfortable messing around in a menu which clearly has essential system apps with weird (to a novice) names such as Certificate Installer, Factory Test, Security Storage and com.android.smspush
5. She didn't really understand what a Widget was and why there was a list of them at the end of her app drawer, and how to use them. I can't remember whether the setup wizard covers widgets or not, but suffice to say if it did then she had not understood it, and dismissed it. She was scrolling to the end of the apps into her widgets and saying "I don't understand these funny looking apps - they don't do anything when I press them"... She did not see the tab at the top which detotes the difference between apps and widgets, and there is no other indication when you get into the widgets.
6. She says the battery life is not good compared to her old iPhone. After having a quick look at her Battery stats (unplugged after full charge, 7.5hrs off the charger 1.5hrs screen on time, 25% battery left) there was nothing in particular acting up, however her cell reception was burning a lot of the battery. She said that her reception (measured by the number of bars - I know, I know!) was not as good as her iPhone. So the 2 issues here are that her battery is objectively not as good, and her reception is subjectively not as good as her old iPhone.
7. She does like the camera, but was unaware of features such as panorama and shooting stills whilst recording video (and I'll mention again, the possibility of voice control). However she WAS aware that the new iPhone does these things (minus the voice control).
8. She didn't understand why she needed multiple accounts for things, Google, Samsung, Dropbox - she was unaware of what these accounts were even used for, and she thought it confusing to have them all on her phone. I didn't check, but it wouldn't surprise me if she was saving all her contacts to her phone rather than her Google account and thus negating a large benefit of having an Android phone.
All these things are minor to the likes of us who are used to Android, but she felt confused and out of her depth with the phone. I tried to show her stuff and reassure her, and she has said she will give it a few more days - but she isn't comfortable with it and may return it for another iPhone...
Admittedly she is not a techie sort of person, but I do feel that Samsung (and Google) could do a bit more to simplify things for the likes of her, because ultimately they are competing against Apple the masters of simple and making people feel at home with their devices.
My discussion with her has really opened my eyes as to why so many people love the iPhone, despite it being inferior in many ways to the S3. I guess you can sell a Ferrari at Ford prices, but not everyone has the skills to drive and park such a machine...
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help her see the light, guide her.

2ndaccord said:
The only thing that this post proves is that most people are stupid and don't take the time to learn things that they use everyday. Why have a smartphone of u don't take the time to learn how to use it?
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That's the reason most people don't like android phones. They find it complicated. Those who know something about technology and open source or wants more from their phone they switch to android.
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I can't understand the reason of this thread, most of the "problems" are just caused by the inexperience. Logically android it's not iOS and i don't get why she spent her money in a phone that don't wanna learn to use
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Thank you for your replies regarding on how to "fix" her issues, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough - I was able to sort all of her issues out for her as I am well versed with Android. The point is that many of her issues require digging down into menus that a novice could not know existed, or they are issues caused by thoughtless defaults on the part of the manufacturer.
Many people (iPhone users especially I think) pick up a device and learn how it works by using it, they don't want or have time to read manuals or dig through settings menus trying to guess what might or might not be in there. For instance my colleague couldn't make the mental link between installing a new app and having it appear in two different places (seemingly randomly arranged, because it would just go to the first empty space on her home screen, and her app drawer was not alphabetically organised).
If she couldn't make that mental stretch, how would you then expect her to think "Ah, this behaviour might be adjustable - where would I adjust it? Oh of course, in the Play Store settings, where if I press the Menu button (with no indicator that there is a menu underneath that button on that screen) and de-tick auto-add widgets"
And they aren't even widgets, they're app icons! So even if she had got there by some stroke of luck, she probably wouldn't have understood it anyway, because widgets are something else!
My point is that Android and Samsung have a long way to go in the usability stakes for novices.

Nosterius said:
I can't understand the reason of this thread, most of the "problems" are just caused by the inexperience. Logically android it's not iOS and i don't get why she spent her money in a phone that don't wanna learn to use
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She got the phone because she was impressed with it's physical characteristics, big screen & nice camera. But using it has been far more difficult for her than her old phone, and hence she doesn't feel comfortable with it unfortunately.

Man I gave up long ago trying to convert iPhone users.
I tried to convert 3 at my work, and all 3 times it backfired on me. They could not grasp Android after using iOS for so long and you become the ASSHOLE that ruins their life. iOS is a perfect operating system for most people, you don't really have to think much to use it. It's just so beautifully easy to use and intuitive that you could just pick it up and master it within 10 minutes.
On that note, I could NEVER EVER go back to iOS, ever. When I use an iOS device, it feels like I'm using a phone. When I use my Android device, it feels like I'm using a computer.

So basically OP, she doesn't know how to use the phone yet?
Why the hell did she buy a phone thinking she would instantly know how to use it?
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Dan37tz said:
On that note, I could NEVER EVER go back to iOS, ever. When I use an iOS device, it feels like I'm using a phone. When I use my Android device, it feels like I'm using a computer.
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That's exactly how it is!
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setspeed said:
Thank you for your replies regarding on how to "fix" her issues, perhaps I didn't make it clear enough - I was able to sort all of her issues out for her as I am well versed with Android. The point is that many of her issues require digging down into menus that a novice could not know existed, or they are issues caused by thoughtless defaults on the part of the manufacturer.
Many people (iPhone users especially I think) pick up a device and learn how it works by using it, they don't want or have time to read manuals or dig through settings menus trying to guess what might or might not be in there. For instance my colleague couldn't make the mental link between installing a new app and having it appear in two different places (seemingly randomly arranged, because it would just go to the first empty space on her home screen, and her app drawer was not alphabetically organised).
If she couldn't make that mental stretch, how would you then expect her to think "Ah, this behaviour might be adjustable - where would I adjust it? Oh of course, in the Play Store settings, where if I press the Menu button (with no indicator that there is a menu underneath that button on that screen) and de-tick auto-add widgets"
And they aren't even widgets, they're app icons! So even if she had got there by some stroke of luck, she probably wouldn't have understood it anyway, because widgets are something else!
My point is that Android and Samsung have a long way to go in the usability stakes for novices.
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I edited my reply with more thoughts. Basically, I don't see Android going that route of simplifying because that is just not in the Android genetics. All android manufacturers should follow HTC and Samsung and make idiot proof Window phones to supplement their advance android devices. Because let's face it, if they dumb down Android some more most of us are gone once we get bored of Jelly Bean. No one here wants Android 4.2 to be simple like IOS.

Don't understand it either. I jumped on a Mac the other day and was lost in iOS. Problem IMHO Mac holds your hand does it for you, whether you like it or not.
Android, less hand holding and many ways to do the same task. Can see that being confusing. It's like a prisoner being let free, all those new options are so confusing.
Like comparing a new Honda with automatic everything. To a Ferrari or Porsche that surrounds you with options of how you want everything to operate.
As I say in IT, to most plebes RTFM.
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