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A couple of days ago I decided to wipe my phone which was running cyanogen's 4.2.13 because it felt slightly sluggish and I figured it was because I've been through so many rom updates and havent wiped, coming from before the whole google/cyanogen cease and decist.
i wiped the phone, reflashed 4.2.13 and enoch theme and began restoring all my data and apps. I noticed very strange behavior coming from the phone shortly after this though. sometimes the phone would just become completely unresponsive, not even the red button would put it to sleep mode. only option was to pull the battery which allowed the phone to run fine after a reboot.
this has happened a total of 3 times since I wiped/reflashed it (monday night). today it happened again and I decided to let the phone run until I was able to open advanced task manager. to my surprise, about every single application I have on my phone was running in the Applications tab. after killing all, the phone was back to being responsive again. I did not execute anything to open these apps, the phone simply started lagging out and I suppose the reason is because every app was trying to get some use of the CPU.
now I am keeping a heavy watch on my advanced task manager list to see if this will happen again, and I noticed that the Messaging application has spawned itself on the list. is this normal? is something wrong with my phone? has it been compromised? I haven't downloaded anything strange, just the same apps I had before wipe/reflash.
No your location hasn't been compromised and there isnt any spyware or viruses on your phone. Those are services, just like on computers that do numerous things.Sometimes settings becomes active after using power control.You could just put the widget for the taskiller on you home screen if your concerned about speed. If your home screens are filled with hundreds of widgets try removing some and see if the speed increases.The 10MB hack might be helpful if you switch b/t a lot of apps.Or you could try another rom if you wanted.
im pretty sure an app like AK notepad doesnt run as a service, but it was populated a few times on my applications tab, along with other things such as calculator.
i don't use the power control widget either. leaving the task killer widget on my home screen to kill the processes as they fork bomb my phone is just a sloppy way to fix whatever is wrong.
and my home screens arent filled with widgets. the only widgets I use are weather, calendar, curvefish's bluetooth wifi silent screenlock, and overclock widget.
If all your apps keep running in the background try using advanced task managers auto end list
Hi,
Just writing because i experience my Tattoo device to be extremely slow reacting. I have used it for 14 days now and to begin with it reacted fast but now it is very slow when touching widgets, scrolling in contacts, opening apps and so on. Has anyone got some advice? I have added some widgets and apps from Market, but could this really be enough already to slow device this much?? (It acts as my old HTC Touch GSM with WM6, which should say a lot).
Regards
Anders
Do you pwer cycle your phone regularly, and try downloading taskiller if you havent already. My tattoo is very speedy, but its running a wwe rom instead of a carrier one.
Task Killer
Yes,
Task Killer is the perfect app for speeding up the tattoo.
Make sure to enable "Kill All" when screen is turned off
Also ensure to add applications such as clock or music in the ignore list so that it does not kill it.
If clock is not added to the ignore list, then Alarm will not go off. Hope you get the picture
Prasath
What is the real name of task killer with settings for kill tasks when screen is turned off?
And are we shure it's real necessary? Try to read this article
I have use Task Killer.. yes, it is very good app. it can improve battery life, can speed up. But my morning alarm never ring again after using this.
And one more question, why all android apps are consuming so much system resources.. I mean all of them always try to run in the background even when I do not require them consuming so much system resources, like RAM and battery??
thacen said:
I have use Task Killer.. yes, it is very good app. it can improve battery life, can speed up. But my morning alarm never ring again after using this.
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If you don't exclude the alarm's process, it's normal...
Hi
Ive just got this app (really to save myself some battery time)
On launching for the first time it presents me with a whole bunch of stuff including my clocks
Now i'm sure this maybe a pretty dumb question but if i kill the htc clock App will that stop the time and weather updating correctly? (i have my weather set to update hourly) and also if i kill any app like K-9 or Peep (that i have an update schedule set for) will it stop that schedule till i manually launch the app again or will it auto launch when it reaches the sheduled update time?
Sorry for the (potentially) stupid questions
Cheers
The only thing you're going to achieve with using a task killer, is lowering performance and causing even worse battery drain. If that's what you want to do, fine, but otherwise, I wouldn't bother if I were you.
Here's why:
Android's memory management is nothing like Windows Mobile. Applications you've finished with are MEANT to stay in memory until they really are completely finished with, and just because YOU aren't using them, doesn't mean the phone has. If they've been inactive long enough, or some other program needs the RAM, Android will tidily close them down.
If you close them prematurely, then Android will have to load them back up again, so that whatever was using said program's services, can continue to function. This noticeably affects phone performance, and puts an extra load on your battery. Do you REALLY want to do that?
I'm not using any task killers, and my phone runs great, and battery is up to 2.5 days.
Hmm interesting, i might try that, im killing all instantly and repeately, thanks for the tip
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The only thing you're going to achieve with using a task killer, is lowering performance and causing even worse battery drain. If that's what you want to do, fine, but otherwise, I wouldn't bother if I were you.
Here's why:
Android's memory management is nothing like Windows Mobile. Applications you've finished with are MEANT to stay in memory until they really are completely finished with, and just because YOU aren't using them, doesn't mean the phone has. If they've been inactive long enough, or some other program needs the RAM, Android will tidily close them down.
If you close them prematurely, then Android will have to load them back up again, so that whatever was using said program's services, can continue to function. This noticeably affects phone performance, and puts an extra load on your battery. Do you REALLY want to do that?
I'm not using any task killers, and my phone runs great, and battery is up to 2.5 days.
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Thats correct.
I installed it on the phone, and the battery was empty the same night
Uninstalled it, and all works fine now.
Greetz.
would an app like task panel work?
you can add apps that are system apps etc to the ignore list and have apps such as games on the force to kill list or is it just best not to have any task killer apps installed at all?
its strange that there are so many task killer apps and its bad to run on your device. There must be some reason as to why there is an app for this purpose?
ragmanchu said:
would an app like task panel work?
you can add apps that are system apps etc to the ignore list and have apps such as games on the force to kill list or is it just best not to have any task killer apps installed at all?
its strange that there are so many task killer apps and its bad to run on your device. There must be some reason as to why there is an app for this purpose?
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They exist, because people think memory management on Android works like it does on Windows Mobile. It doesn't, and never has. Think if it like the so called "memory manager" tools you can get for XP that claim to be able to free all your RAM and speed up your system... Every single one of them is nothing but a placebo designed to part you from your cash, and often end up CAUSING problems, just like task killers on Android do.
Avoid them.
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They exist, because people think memory management on Android works like it does on Windows Mobile. It doesn't, and never has. Think if it like the so called "memory manager" tools you can get for XP that claim to be able to free all your RAM and speed up your system... Every single one of them is nothing but a placebo designed to part you from your cash, and often end up CAUSING problems, just like task killers on Android do.
Avoid them.
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Guess thats a good enough reply lol
task killers can work fine, but you need to know what is running and what is using it.
for example, if you have the music widget on the homescreens, then the music player process will be opne in the background.
likewise friendstream will keep people, facebook and twitter open in the background.
if you kill those processes, they will just get opened again.
As long as you are careful, using task managers will not decrease battery life, you just need to know how to use them properly. randomly killing everything in the background is NOT the way to do it.
and you should never close clock if you want your alarm clock to actually go off!!
Might be worth making a list of what apps should be ignored and what apps can be forced killed?
When i had an app killer installed, i used to only force kill games and sat nav apps, the rest i asked it to ignore but after reading this thread, i decided to delete the app killer app =)
Ive put a bunch of stuff like clock, weather, Peep and facebook etc on the ignore list and have used the task killer to only kill off frivolous apps like Spark (for xbox friends) streamfurious, photos etc...Nothing Major!
I unhooked my phone from the power at 7:30 am on the 13th April, its now 16:36 on the 14th april and it still has 30% of the juice left, and i always have wifi and mobile data connection on too...phone is always left on with facebook connecting ever 4 hrs and peep once a day and mail set for every 2 hrs (besides which i do check and update them manually a couple of times a day)
I'll try all this without task killer installed and test how long the phone can run before charging
As you say, it could well be a combination of the battery coming up to speed and a placebo effect.
However, surely it cant do more harm than good to kill an app like Spark !
However, im no Phone Genius so im sure someone will soon tell me that im completely wrong
But so far so good....like i said, ill test things without task killer installed
I've stopped using the task killer now and my battery life has improved very noticably.
oursoul said:
I've stopped using the task killer now and my battery life has improved very noticably.
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im not so sure about this.
im using a task killer when i want to close the browser or something using internet, as we all know internet drains a lot of battery and even if the browser or market is in the background it still probably has some active connections = draining battery
cez10 said:
im using a task killer when i want to close the browser or something using internet, as we all know internet drains a lot of battery and even if the browser or market is in the background it still probably has some active connections = draining battery
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
Binned this app in favour of Juice defender, my new battery saving app of choice, seems to be working as it should too...nice
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
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but then that works pretty much like a task killer
can anyone correct me about the apps i.e. browser using internet while not active(in background) is this true or not? of course having the sync/updates turned off
Task killers can be handy for those times when apps seem to have crashed but aren't forcing close. for example, i've had times where ebuddy just doesn't want to even try to sign in. Task kill it. Try again. all is well. And last my internet browser wouldn't let me click any buttons. Again, killed it - restarted - all is ok.
I've had to use such an app countless of times due to unwanted/unneeded apps running, hanging FCs and black screens, checking/closing net related or sensor using apps, and numerous times when 300KB apps wouldn't install citing 'low memory' when I have more than 70MB free, but it was the RAM being near full causing FCs in apps like Market, and halting the installs. I only use Androids built-in TaskPanel widget for this though. Everything routine is set over to the ignore list so that I don't accidently hit and close that (single hit closes the app). Additionally I use this app to check and to switch to an opened application that is running (when it's not in the recent list).
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
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This is the route I've taken naturally. I'm using jkAppSwitch on my longpress search key, mainly used for switching but can be used to kill problem apps.
Full task killers are being proven to be useless on the Desire.
I would recommend using an app that monitors the cpu usage(watchdog etc.). This way your can see which apps put a drain on your phone.
Thank you for the information. But I do notice a considerable improvement in battery power with Advanced Task Killer.
I hope someone can provide me an answer.
I'm newbe to android. I have problem my x10a ruuning out of juice in 12 hours. I'm using Advance Task Killer to kill the apps when screen is off but not sure which I need to put in Ignore List and which one I can kill safely. Here list of apps currently running and Ignore list
Currently Running Apps
com.Sonyericcson.larningclient
com.qualcomm.wiper
com.sonyericsson.android.contentmanager.service.facerecognition
com.sonyericsson.android.timeescape.pluginmanager.framework.application
com.sonyericsson.android.accountprovider
com.google.android.partnersetup
com.sonyericsson.android.contentmanager.service.timescape
com.sonyericsson.android.fota
com.sonyericsson.android.bootinfo
com.google.android.googleapps
com.sonyericsson.android.mediascape.pluginmanager.framework.application
DocumentToGoFullVersionKey
Maps
Pure Calender widget
com.sonyericsson.android.timescape.pluginmanager.framework.application
com.android.providers.calendar
com.sony.uwlop.launcher
eBay
com.google.android.apps.uploader
com.android.providers.downloads
com.billyfrancisco.photogallerywidget
voice dialer
com.sonyericsson.android.pccompanioninstaller
com.sonyericsson.android.digitalclock
3G Watchdog
Superuser Permissions
Barnacle wifi Tether
com.levelup.beautifulwidgets
settings
Ignore List
setting profiles
Advance task Killer
Timescape
Battery Status Ultimate
Gmail
Smart Keyboard Pro
Moxier Mail
Email
MyBackup Pro
Thanks is advance
I've had started a collection over here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=707878
Have you tried not running Advanced Task Killer??? I'm running on f/w R2BA020 with no task killer and no startup auditor etc... and after a day of average use I down to about 40% after c.15 hours... I tried ATK and various others and in the end ditched them cos they were making the battery slightly worse, and making the phone slower cos it had to keep restarting app/ background processes that it uses..
Your power consumption will very much depend on what your running etc.. do you have any widgets that are updating regularly, or possibly faulty and preventing your phone from sleeping.. try using juice plotter for a while to see what your discharge profile looks like - you should see it going almost flat when you have a period of non use..
PS.. I've had bluetooth on (but not connected), wifi on, and 3G/ GPRS on all day today and after 11 hours I'm now on 52%.. have used the phone a reasonable amount.. maybe 20 texts, email syncing hourly, contacts and calendar on auto sync with google... no widgets on my home screen which sync, and no use of timescape.. used mediascape for about 30 mins, internet for about 20 mins, XDA app for about an hour.. played games for about 30 mins too..
I'm using Task Manager.
It pushed me up to 46hrs Standby, coming from 20hrs, when the battery is fully charged.
Thanks Guys
@McKebapp - It is good thread but need add info like one of the guys sugesting, which are ok to kill and Do NOT Kill
@ im_iceman - The problem is if you don't have ATK or other Task Manager, most application keep running once you clicked on them. I was looking Battery Use, this tell me its and Display and Standby but detail which program was using during standby
Hi - Yes some apps will sit in the background, but they should be sleeping and not actually doing anything, unless they've been badly written.. Android, based on Linux, manages the memory so that it's running on almost full most of the time and therefore is quicker to resume something which you were previously running, or is stored in memory awaiting use.. killing these things will mean that the processor has to work harder reloading them into memory all the time..
@Mckebapp - That may well be because it's killing a dodgy app that you've got running which isn't/ wasn't sleeping properly.. trouble is it may well be killing other stuff you need too..
Each to their own though..
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Thanks Guys
@McKebapp - It is good thread but need add info like one of the guys sugesting, which are ok to kill and Do NOT Kill
@ im_iceman - The problem is if you don't have ATK or other Task Manager, most application keep running once you clicked on them. I was looking Battery Use, this tell me its and Display and Standby but detail which program was using during standby
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The absolute "NOT TO KILL" ones are written.
All other ones depend on the individual usage.
To me: I kill each one, that is killable
What about continuing my collection and making it more precise?
McKebapp said:
The absolute "NOT TO KILL" ones are written.
All other ones depend on the individual usage.
To me: I kill each one, that is killable
What about continuing my collection and making it more precise?
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Sure, I'm glad to help but I'm newbe just tell me what to do
Hi Guys!
I've seen soo many post: "Use a Task Killer for better battery life!"
But I've probably seen that much post: "DON'T use a Task Killer... The continuous killing of tasks drains the battery! Android manages the Tasks internal..."
So now I'm confused
Should you use a Task Killer or shouldn't you?
I haven't used a task killer in ages. With the latter kernels and builds they are pretty irrelevant I feel. There is better memory management and CPU usage with the latest kernels to make task-killers all but obsolete.
You don't have to use them anymore. If you want to have more free RAM you could use Auto Killer (free in the market). There you can set the presets to Optimum. But I have to say that my data drops have reduced since I don't use it anymore.
It's a little off topic but what I wanted to ask you, do you have lots of drops in the Swisscom network? Because I think those drops only happen if you have a bad network connectivity. Btw. I'm working for Sunrise
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I haven't used a task killer in ages. With the latter kernels and builds they are pretty irrelevant I feel. There is better memory management and CPU usage with the latest kernels to make task-killers all but obsolete.
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agreed i only see the use for a task killer if it gets stuck on exit of the program or task
Ok... It seems I won't need a task killer... But I'm using now AutoKiller with preset to Optimum
JanssoN said:
You don't have to use them anymore. If you want to have more free RAM you could use Auto Killer (free in the market). There you can set the presets to Optimum. But I have to say that my data drops have reduced since I don't use it anymore.
It's a little off topic but what I wanted to ask you, do you have lots of drops in the Swisscom network? Because I think those drops only happen if you have a bad network connectivity. Btw. I'm working for Sunrise
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About the drops... I'm using this build (PPP) now for about one day^^ - But until now it's working like a charm (mobilespeedtest.com gives me a bandwith of ~2000kbps - 2Mb file tested)
In previous builds (RMNet) it worked quite good too, but sometimes it wasn't really fast... But I haven't had a full data-drop (You would need to reboot to solve it don't you?)
EDGE-Data doesn't work at all... (But E-Data Logo is in notification-bar). Probably an APN-Setting is missing or I don't know. I don't really miss it in daily use. Just in trains it's sometimes annoying...
What happens to programs that you "close" is that they are put in the RAM and saved for later use to switch quickly to them. However, most programs don't use the CPU (therefore don't really waste much battery life). Therefore, actually closing and opening the app wastes MORE battery life than just leaving it "open". The only time you really need a task killeris if you start running out of RAM (which is HARD on the HD2).
theres a game named pocket legends , theres no exit button(as most of the android apps) , if i put it in the bg with home button , my phone will stutter all over , even contacts list is laggy becuz of high cpu usage ... what would u guys do who have no taskiller in a situation like that ??
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theres a game named pocket legends , theres no exit button(as most of the android apps) , if i put it in the bg with home button , my phone will stutter all over , even contacts list is laggy becuz of high cpu usage ... what would u guys do who have no taskiller in a situation like that ??
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This is kinda true, but I was more talking about Automatic Task killer.
I use SystemPanel Lite as my Taskmanager and System control
souljaboy said:
theres a game named pocket legends , theres no exit button(as most of the android apps) , if i put it in the bg with home button , my phone will stutter all over , even contacts list is laggy becuz of high cpu usage ... what would u guys do who have no taskiller in a situation like that ??
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If a program doesn't have an exit button, use the back button, as this will normally close the application or game instead of pressing home, as this leaves the app open.
Luke3113 said:
About the drops... I'm using this build (PPP) now for about one day^^ - But until now it's working like a charm (mobilespeedtest.com gives me a bandwith of ~2000kbps - 2Mb file tested)
In previous builds (RMNet) it worked quite good too, but sometimes it wasn't really fast... But I haven't had a full data-drop (You would need to reboot to solve it don't you?)
EDGE-Data doesn't work at all... (But E-Data Logo is in notification-bar). Probably an APN-Setting is missing or I don't know. I don't really miss it in daily use. Just in trains it's sometimes annoying...
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Same for me, I'm using PPP now for about 1 month (mattc 1.8, a little older but this build is it really worth, soooo smooth). And you are right, here in Swiss the connection is always very good (except you live somewhere in the "pampa" )
If you have a drop, just go to airplane mode and back, that always solved for me. EDGE does work for me, but it is veeeeery slow.. kinda annoying. And as you said, this only happens in trains.
It's really pretty simple I think.
(Have a task killer ATK free for me).
Set it to ignore almost everything.
Don't have it auto kill
Still don't have it auto kill
Open it when you need it to kill buggy, stuck apps.
Is there anything you can argue with about this approach? It seems that people are arguing past each other because one side says "don't have a task killer" and the other side says "how can I kill problem apps then?". These aren't mutually exclusive.
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If a program doesn't have an exit button, use the back button, as this will normally close the application or game instead of pressing home, as this leaves the app open.
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quoted!
Never used task killer, only AutoMemory Killer to optimize Froyo memory management. coming from computer we thing that "more free ram you have, more fast it will be", this is not true on Android.
It works in the same speed if you have 200mb free ram or if you have 5mb free.
When it reaches some values, the system automatically freeup ram closing not more necessary tasks.
You can change those value when the system act, using Auto Memory Killer
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theres a game named pocket legends , theres no exit button(as most of the android apps) , if i put it in the bg with home button , my phone will stutter all over , even contacts list is laggy becuz of high cpu usage ... what would u guys do who have no taskiller in a situation like that ??
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I'd close it manually, Settings > Applications > Manage Applications then force stop it. Sounds to me like that's one buggy piece of software tho. If it's in the background it shouldn't use CPU time, only a bit of ram to suspend it.
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I'd close it manually, Settings > Applications > Manage Applications then force stop it. Sounds to me like that's one buggy piece of software tho. If it's in the background it shouldn't use CPU time, only a bit of ram to suspend it.
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yep , thats what i did ... but i also have a Close All Apps button on my 7th screen hidden from view with a i use from time to time when a browser gets stupid etc