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Droid X has a locked bootloader or "how motorola killed the Droid X for me"

i was really looking forward on getting myself a droid/milestone X/2 when it's available in europe. but i just read that the droidX (and maybe all upcoming motorola devices according to http://community.developer.motorola...OMs-and-Motorola-s-Android-Handsets/ba-p/4224) will have a completely locked bootloader as the original milestone had. it's as of today not possible to flash a custom rom on a >7 month old milestone, how weak is that?!
although i like the hardware of the moto-devices and really wanted one, this is definitly a no-go for me and defeats the purpose of android as a open(source)/linux os! i'm done with motorola, just ordered a galaxy s which is completely open!
i don't believe that motorola cares if 10.000 geeky people won't buy theire device because it's locked but it would nevertheless be good to show them that we care!
i'm curious what others think about that!

I think it's horse**** that they are locking it
I mean what's it to them if we can flash our phones??
Maybe they don't want their rom software to be leaked out? besides that I see no other reason for this

sp1kez said:
I think it's horse**** that they are locking it
I mean what's it to them if we can flash our phones??
Maybe they don't want their rom software to be leaked out? besides that I see no other reason for this
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that's my point. if i buy a piece of hardware, i should own it completely and do with it what i want! also one would think that motorola would (or at least could) appreciate a bunch of developers modding and patching their devices to make them more appealing to the community. i just installed cm6 (froyo) on my htc magic. it works better than ever, how cool is that! would not be possible with a locked bootloader...
example milestone: although no custom rom's can be booted (the bootloader boots only moto-signed kernels) the device can be rooted and so it should be no problem to get a rom-dump. so that can't be the reason...

I was ready to pull the trigger on the Droid X until I heard this. I hate it. You are right, we buy the phone we should own the phone. I still might buy this phone, a vote of confidence to the devs.
I want the large screen. There's nothing out there with as large a screen. The evo, but I've already been burned by that. Maybe if they swap the screen for a better one.

I'm just as angry at Motorola, but I'm still going to purchase a Droid X. It has everything I'm looking for in a phone hardware-wise, and I can't wait any longer to dump the dumbphone I've been using for years. I'm a huge fan of tweaking every piece of technology I have (e.g. hackintosh netbook just for kicks), but I'm going to stick it out with a one-year contract on the Droid X until a better phone comes along.
I've taken a look at the Galaxy S/Fascinate, but it looks far too much like an iPhone to appeal to me, rootable as it may be. Samsung's post-release support is also less than stellar. As closed as Motorola may be by using this bootloader, they are still providing 2.2 to the original Droid this summer, which is more than can be said of a /lot/ of manufacturers.

Yea I had it preordered and everything til I figured out they locked it down, guess they are okay with losing sales by turning unto an apple type company stupid
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I've taken a look at the Galaxy S/Fascinate, but it looks far too much like an iPhone to appeal to me, rootable as it may be. Samsung's post-release support is also less than stellar. As closed as Motorola may be by using this bootloader, they are still providing 2.2 to the original Droid this summer, which is more than can be said of a /lot/ of manufacturers.
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i agree. i don't like the iphony-look of the galaxy-s either and i feel like the droid X casing is much more stable. also the omap seemed more appealing to me than samsungs hummingbird. and so on ...
while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty e.g. by sending a request to a moto-server or something similar.
maybe it has something to do with drm-stuff as i also wondered that one can only use the (awesome) hdmi-out for self-made media ... kills >50% of the potential of the hdmi-out in my opinion.

jodue said:
i agree. i don't like the iphony-look of the galaxy-s either and i feel like the droid X casing is much more stable. also the omap seemed more appealing to me than samsungs hummingbird. and so on ...
while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty ...
maybe it has something to do with drm-stuff as i also wondered that one can only use the (awesome) hdmi-out for self-made media ... kills >50% of the potential of the hdmi-out in my opinion.
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I agree, but as it stands, I'm still going to get the phone and hoping out hope for root, although this link (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html) has me worried about that too.

Mikerrrrrrrr said:
I agree, but as it stands, I'm still going to get the phone and hoping out hope for root, although this link (http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...-locked-down-let-me-tell-you-what-i-know.html) has me worried about that too.
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i hope the best for you mate. maybe it's not that bad and in 2 weeks we are laughing about motorola because some 14 years old hacker has already torn the bootloader apart

I am officially passing on the x droid2 and whatever else Motorola decides to release sorry but I would rather have an open galaxy s than a locked down droidx. IPhone like ui can be changed with a launcher. But their isn't much hope for a double locked bootloader

whoops... has root

Am I wrong to say that the Milestone is still stuck at the OS ver. that it was sold with? And if so, I hear that 2.2 is coming to the X by the end of the summer. I'm sure and exploit can be found in the update process, or hope so.

I'm going to switch to this, simply because I believe that the devs WILL find a way to get around this problem. This is XDA we're talking about, along with a bunch of other communities dedicated to this stuff. Someone will find a way to pull it off, it's just a matter of time. But I plan on having this phone for at least a year, so I have the patience for it.

jodue said:
while i think it's a good thing that motorola supports their older devices with updates (at least they do with the droid) my point is/was that a open device enables the community to push the software further ahead. for instance: atm. i still have a htc magic. i just installed cm6 running froyo about a week ago. my device is running better and faster than ever. this would not be possible with a locked bootloader. i would be at the mercy of htc to supply me with an update "sometime in the future", quite frustrating ...
i just don't understand their reasons for this! if it's all just about warranty they could implement a "root and unlock" feature in the settings which would void your warranty e.g. by sending a request to a moto-server or something similar.
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i think you explained 2 reasons for the lock down.
1 is warranty issues
2 is that motorolla can control the life of their product. if after 2 years they give updating the software then you'll be left in the dust and forced to upgrade if want new features.
it's like dlc for games. what used to be free by modding communities has now become a way to squeeze more money out of gamers.

I also agree with you on point 2. This phone is pretty powerful even for me. I consider myself a power user but dont really see how I need a faster phone that this.
This phone, If completely hacked, can have a very long lifespan.

this takes one moto dev
to be on the modder's side.
All this takes is one dev to mess with an official moto update, and this will be tossed due the massive amount of phones that are bricked.
total BS. Knowing Verizon, and why they were late jump on the android bandwagon(because they couldn't "control" an open source opertaing system), this probably came from Verizon pushing Moto to do this. Moto is so desperate to corner the market(unlike HTC) with Verizon, they said yes'maam. Sure no problem you are giving ungodly sums of money why cant we "scratch" your back.
bull****

Let's say that we DON'T unlock this phone.... Would anyone be surprised to see Motorola keep up to day within months of releases in the future???
I see people mentioning the reasoning for it being locked it to control the life of the device.... But seeing how powerful this is and how it is you could say Moto's Flagship model, wouldn't it be int their best interest to keep their customers happy????
Or does everything sell and do you really think they will fall behind on updates...??

Seriously if you really hate the device being locked this much work on an email. I will be shooting an email over to Motorola and Verizon Wireless Customer Support. I can post the email that I am sending on here if you guys want, when I finish typing it.
As for the device being locked it is extremely sad, but many hardware developers are starting to do this. The thinking is that the more they can control what the user does the better the end experience is. That is hardly the truth so just keep cracking the devices so that they get the message we want our own control on the device.
Other than that good luck to all the dev crews out there working to crack the device.

i second the email plan. if enough people fight for an open device, motorola will listen...

12yan said:
i second the email plan. if enough people fight for an open device, motorola will listen...
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Nope. Every single Droid and Droid X user could email Motorola and they wouldn't care unless it affected sales. The bottom line speaks the loudest. Hell, more than that, it's the ONLY line that speaks

Motorola Milestone 2?

How long do you think it will take until a Motorola Milestone 2 releases?
I'm pretty envious of you Americans getting this phone. It won't work on any network here in Canada.

i think in september

I have been waiting for a Milestone replacement for aaages! Would love to see the GSM version of the Droid 2.
...boo CDMA and EVDO....3.5G ftw!

I'm wait that too.....
GSM version Milestone 2......
rush 2 me plz..............

There is not going to be a milestone 2 but there is going to be a droid pro.
EDIT- Never mind the milestone 2 has been leaked.......http://erictric.com/2010/08/31/offi...ne-2-promotional-video-accidentally-released/

Motoblur???
I freaking hope that the rumor that I saw today is wrong about the milestone 2 having motoblur! I'm waiting for this phone to come out to replace my hero but I will not buy it if it as motoblur on it!

Kukussi said:
I freaking hope that the rumor that I saw today is wrong about the milestone 2 having motoblur! I'm waiting for this phone to come out to replace my hero but I will not buy it if it as motoblur on it!
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I don't think it's a rumor, it is in the official press release :/
But hey, is motoblur that bad ? I don't really know what it changes except the Home (that we can change with ease).

Please tell me it'll be able to flash roms! If so il consider retiring the n1... I can't believe theirs already so many new phones! Android ftw!
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Leimi said:
I don't think it's a rumor, it is in the official press release :/
But hey, is motoblur that bad ? I don't really know what it changes except the Home (that we can change with ease).
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there's alot of account integration that i'm not pleased with. i thought android handled that on its own just fine. i don't like this hand-holding that motorola developed. i feel like they've added steps to the same process that already existed.

640k said:
there's alot of account integration that i'm not pleased with. i thought android handled that on its own just fine. i don't like this hand-holding that motorola developed. i feel like they've added steps to the same process that already existed.
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well moto took certain options out i guess to make it easier for the retards who buy smartphones and don't have any idea how to use them and also they apparently assume that everyone who owns a smartphone is a social networking freak.
If I ran moto Id release certain phones with Vanilla Android and others with Blur. So that way certain phones can be marketed to the 12 year olds all over myspace and facebook all day long, and others towards more grown up people who dont let other peoples status's run their lives.

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well moto took certain options out i guess to make it easier for the retards who buy smartphones and don't have any idea how to use them and also they apparently assume that everyone who owns a smartphone is a social networking freak.
If I ran moto Id release certain phones with Vanilla Android and others with Blur. So that way certain phones can be marketed to the 12 year olds all over myspace and facebook all day long, and others towards more grown up people who dont let other peoples status's run their lives.
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Phones should be more like PCs. The vanilla OS should only exist in ROM, while all of the extras exist in RAM. A recovery file could exist in ROM that would format and overwrite RAM (read: NOT SD) so that the device could be brought back to stock with a factory restore. That way, we can choose to uninstall the garbage we don't want and regular consumers still retain store-bought functionality.

True and I agree on the vanilla + blur sales combo... But some ppl advertise on fb, ms, or twitter (club promoters, music industry, anything else self published, etc). some ppl use it as work... some ppl have lots of friends and are interested in what their doing... motorola has to market for everyone. But I guess that's why you don't run motorola
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ChongoDroid said:
True and I agree on the vanilla + blur sales combo... But some ppl advertise on fb, ms, or twitter (club promoters, music industry, anything else self published, etc). some ppl use it as work... some ppl have lots of friends and are interested in what their doing... motorola has to market for everyone. But I guess that's why you don't run motorola
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i'm not reading what you're getting at. It's all about the underlying OS. When you purchase a PC from manufacturers like Dell and HP, you get bloat-ware OSes that have had advertisers comission space in, in order to keep PC pricing down. I'm sure the same is happening with phones. Everyone has a little share in the market, and they don't want to let that go. Each manufacturer is trying to identify themselves from the rest of the crowd.
If every Android phone was exactly the same, except for the hardware specs, how would the average consumer decide on which phone to buy? Word of mouth? That only goes so far, so you're stuck with some sort of solution.
HTC uses Sense...
Moto uses Blur...
It's all used to differentiate themselves from the crowd. I say, let them do it, but find a better way of doing so. Memory is so cheap these days, why can't they just build the phones so that advanced technophiles can separate out the junk, while Joe Schmoe just runs the device as is.
If time and money to script the logic is a driving factor, maybe manufacturers need to re-assess their market.

"Bootloader Solution" isn't what we hoped for..

Hey all,
While looking on an Austrailan Android news website I stumbled across this post, which basically confirms the fears and worst nightmares of Atrix 4G owners.
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/
Seems the bootloader solution is only going to apply to future 2011 devices, and only if carriers allow it.
-Sigh- I'm glad we still have some talented Dev's working the case! They're doing great things for everyone and I encourage you donate generously!
Thanks
- DarkRyoushii

I think it means devices that are current, but not starting until late 2011.
DarkRyoushii said:
Hey all,
While looking on an Austrailan Android news website I stumbled across this post, which basically confirms the fears and worst nightmares of Atrix 4G owners.
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/
Seems the bootloader solution is only going to apply to future 2011 devices, and only if carriers allow it.
-Sigh- I'm glad we still have some talented Dev's working the case! They're doing great things for everyone and I encourage you donate generously!
Thanks
- DarkRyoushii
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dLo GSR said:
I think it means devices that are current, but not starting until late 2011.
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ahh yes fair point, I sorta read it quite quickly in hopes for an answer

Fat chance AT&T ever allows this on the Atrix. They got your subsidized phone fee and locked you in for 2 years, do you honestly think they care whether or not the bootloader is unlocked? *queue imperial march*

Hey, at least thats a start, if not this phone...maybe their next phone will be unlocked. You have to think big picture....in about a year this phone will become obsolete, just like the nexus one. You're already starting to see phones that are about to come out with 1.2ghz Tegra chip...can you imagine in another year..we might go 2ghz or maybe a quad core.
You have to think about this, the Motorola Xoom was unlocked because Google designed it with them. That IS the developer tablet. The Atrix wasn't made for developer reasons, i'm pretty sure Motorola was using this phone as a Guinea pig.
I can see why ALOT of people went to the Inspire, Bigger screen, HTC quality, and you have a phone that you can mod. Some of us are staying with this phone just on hopes that later it might be unlocked. For all we know, this phone may be locked for good.

I love my atrix even with the locked bootloader. I can't mod it as much as I'd like but Greyblur/Gingerblur are great and I'm very happy with the performance of the phone. It is only going to get better when 2.3/2.4 gets shipped OTA. I am happy with my decision to keep the Atrix instead of returning it. Even with it's flaws it is the best phone I've ever owned.

AT&Trap would save $
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Fat chance AT&T ever allows this on the Atrix. They got your subsidized phone fee and locked you in for 2 years, do you honestly think they care whether or not the bootloader is unlocked? *queue imperial march*
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If you kept the same phone longer and kept their service they wouldn't have to pony up the subsidized new phone every two years and would save in the end. I think it would be in their better interest aside from tethering hacks which we already have.

Motorola using Xoom as an example is a slap to every other Motorola device owner. Xoom is a Google Experience tablet and they were forced to provide an unlock just like the Nexus One/S.

Recon Freak said:
If you kept the same phone longer and kept their service they wouldn't have to pony up the subsidized new phone every two years and would save in the end. I think it would be in their better interest aside from tethering hacks which we already have.
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That is assuming you don't jump ship to a new carrier for a newer/better phone that isn't offered on AT&T. Their primary interest is keeping you locked into contract with them for as long as possible, since they make far more over the 2 years of a contract than a phone is worth.

DarkRyoushii said:
Hey all,
While looking on an Austrailan Android news website I stumbled across this post, which basically confirms the fears and worst nightmares of Atrix 4G owners.
http://ausdroid.net/2011/04/26/the-little-aussie-taking-on-motorola-u-s/
Seems the bootloader solution is only going to apply to future 2011 devices, and only if carriers allow it.
-Sigh- I'm glad we still have some talented Dev's working the case! They're doing great things for everyone and I encourage you donate generously!
Thanks
- DarkRyoushii
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Thanks for posting this one. I did update it in my thread, but happy to see it shared further.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988634
I'm waiting to hear clarification from Motorola on which devices will be included.
Will let everyone know when I have an answer.

Hope Motorola is not saying this to get people to slow down the protest. I won't believe anything till Motorola publicly announces this new info. Reps say about anything through email.
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JayRolla said:
Hope Motorola is not saying this to get people to slow down the protest. I won't believe anything till Motorola publicly announces this new info. Reps say about anything through email.
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Very true. Good point. Lets see if motorola if willing to redeem themselves.
Good news if this is true! Hope we won't be disappointed.
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dcarpenter85 said:
That is assuming you don't jump ship to a new carrier for a newer/better phone that isn't offered on AT&T. Their primary interest is keeping you locked into contract with them for as long as possible, since they make far more over the 2 years of a contract than a phone is worth.
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I didn't look at it that way. I've been with them since they were cingular I've been very happy with them. I always wait til they come out with a device I like.
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Don't get so excited, for now anyway!

Hi guys
you all probably read the article about motorola might be unlocking the bootloader later this year
so i don't wanna be the party pooper but don't forget the last marketing trick motorola played on us with the motorola milestone, no i don't mean the Locked Bootloader, i mean the Flash 10.1 support.
we all remember the marketing campaign saying that the motorola milestone will be supporting the flash 10.1 plugin, a statement that was sorry to say: a lie.
eventually the flash support came but after a very very long wait but the marketing trick did it, and the milestone was a great success, so maybe motorola is playing that trick on us again to get the Atrix 4g's sales up.
i hope i'm very very wrong and they'll prove me wrong very soon
for now all we can do is just wait either for the bootloaader to be community broken or for motorola to free it

It would certainly work as a marketing trick...but it would not raise sales anywhere near as much as the notion of flash support. Devs and those of us who like our phones as customized and "free" as possible are only a small fraction of the market.
Regardless, I hope we are both wrong. =)

This should be posted here, but in any event I'm sure Motorola is just saying this to shut people up. They've got it on the back burner again no doubt. They might make a move in the far future but I'm not holding my breath. It's nothing to shove this aside for another few quarters while we writhe in agony toiling over how to unlock the bootloader (the devs at least, us peons just ***** and moan lol).

Yes they are playing a new game with us. But hopefully they will do something about it soon.
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IMHO they are playing again with a unlocked bootloader just like facebook before... they have bad xoom sales and not sure about atrix but i guess are low. so they try atract more geek people (we are majority ) so i guess its a lie again.... but i hope we are all wrong and moto join sony ;D

Sales are poor and they don't know why. You would think being the first on the market with a dual core phone would drive sales but they blew it. They shipped the Atrix with a locked bootloader and lied about huspa capabilities. Now they're paying the price with bad publicity and dissapointing sales. Heads should roll but stubborn people always think they're right so they'll do nothing until it's too late. I have a feeling very few current Atrix owners will ever buy another Motorola product. Customers don't like being strung along (bootloader) and lied to (huspa).

I think the one the real problems that motorola has with its products is that they may be pioneers on the hardware side, not only the atrix look at the milestone it was the best at first, they lack a lot of innovation on the UI & design side.
i mean look at most of the new HTC devices, or even the LG optimus 2x ( lg wasn't a real player at the android game 'till now )
Motorola must change its Apple policy about locking the developers out of its products.
I hope i'm so wrong but time will tell

jutt a little info for you guys ... at&t locked it not moto... the difference between moto and lets say htc is that moto is the best at crypto there is , while they have suffered in years past with no innovation and poor sales there contracts for crypto for people kept it alive .. this is why the statement said where there partners would allow it. Its like if i asked you to fill in on my hardball team for 30+ league, but actually you were Roy Holiday, sure you are pitching and using the same rules as the other team , but because of your level of talent the other team really has no chance to hit

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jutt a little info for you guys ... at&t locked it not moto... the difference between moto and lets say htc is that moto is the best at crypto there is , while they have suffered in years past with no innovation and poor sales there contracts for crypto for people kept it alive .. this is why the statement said where there partners would allow it. Its like if i asked you to fill in on my hardball team for 30+ league, but actually you were Roy Holiday, sure you are pitching and using the same rules as the other team , but because of your level of talent the other team really has no chance to hit
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If att locked the bootloader, why is the inspire's unlocked?
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hotweels258 said:
If att locked the bootloader, why is the inspire's unlocked?
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the inspire was cracked, it shipped locked.

t0dbld said:
jutt a little info for you guys ... at&t locked it not moto... the difference between moto and lets say htc is that moto is the best at crypto there is , while they have suffered in years past with no innovation and poor sales there contracts for crypto for people kept it alive .. this is why the statement said where there partners would allow it. Its like if i asked you to fill in on my hardball team for 30+ league, but actually you were Roy Holiday, sure you are pitching and using the same rules as the other team , but because of your level of talent the other team really has no chance to hit
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and why is Droid X, Droid 2, et. al locked? It's moto.. at&t blocks sideloading but may have been happy that moto locked the bootloader...

t0dbld said:
jutt a little info for you guys ... at&t locked it not moto... the difference between moto and lets say htc is that moto is the best at crypto there is , while they have suffered in years past with no innovation and poor sales there contracts for crypto for people kept it alive .. this is why the statement said where there partners would allow it. Its like if i asked you to fill in on my hardball team for 30+ league, but actually you were Roy Holiday, sure you are pitching and using the same rules as the other team , but because of your level of talent the other team really has no chance to hit
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I've seen you say this before, do you have an actual source for this information or is it an educated guess? (yes I know you're a recognized person on this forum, but that doesn't mean that I don't want proof)

t0dbld said:
jutt a little info for you guys ... at&t locked it not moto...
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The Bell/Telstra Atrix is also locked and it's well known out there that most of the Motorola devices is Bootloader Locked, regardless the cell company you buy it from.
Before getting the atrix i got my milestone from a cell company that also sells Htc devices which is bootloader Unlocking friendly.

dcarpenter85 said:
the inspire was cracked, it shipped locked.
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maybe the Inspire is being shipped out locked BUT is crackable, as opposed to Motorola device no matter which cell company sells it.
What all of us want is to crack it, I don't think anyone would mind if it community cracked or Moto unlocked, the all point is it being unlocked
and with motorola devices it's close to impossible.

Please don't get discouraged, this statement from Motorola was just a small victory.
I am still working just as passionately to get further. I have been directed to the Software Team working on this "Initiative" and should hopefully speak to them soon.
The aim of the game is to get something concrete, not smoke and mirrors. Until that happens I will keep blocking their social networking marketing (look at their comments on facebook) and will keep trying to get in touch with them.
Look at Antennagate, anything that gets enough attention will have an outcome!

this will be my last post because you didnt read the first one so ill "Slow it down" your you guys ... and mr i want proof guy please feel free to use the google bar on your phone, I am not your teacher FLOL...
World Crypto Playoffs Rankings​1.Motorola
2.Sony
3.Samsung
4.HTC
5. ARE YOU GETING THE IDEA?
Motorola Could Give a Flying ---- about it, they sell the phone to carriers, Carriers want it locked, it gets locked. EVERY DEVICE COMES LOCKED, BUT MOTOROLA IS #1 ON THE CRYPTO SCALE SO THEY ARE NOT AS EASY TO CRACK.​
But why are some devices not locked ? wel they are google devices and they were either forced to be left unlocked, and or the manufacturer was not Contracted to lock it , as in it was not part of the paid contract or agreement

not dev, moved to proper forum

t0dbld said:
this will be my last post because you didnt read the first one so ill "Slow it down" your you guys ... and mr i want proof guy please feel free to use the google bar on your phone, I am not your teacher FLOL...
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This still doesn't make any sense, motorola chooses to lock their phones to avoid having to deal with the attempted warranty returns and exchanges that are due to typical people trying to flash their phone or perform some mod and failing, then crying for a new device. Locking people out SAVES them money, this is why they do it. Until I'm proved wrong, I'll stick to saying that AT&T did not step in and say "Lock this bootloader down." There is no carrier that is particularly lenient or strict on the "hackability" of their phones (aside from maybe verizon), and no manufacturer that is going to rewrite their entire software base for one of the multiple companies they could sell their phone through, so I'll say that it was planned from the start to lock the bootloader down.

Is preventing people from "messing up" their phones the only reason a company would lock their bootloader?

I think more than protecting against warranty returns the locked bootloaders allow for planned obsolescence. Ice Cream drops and your atrix gets no update what do you do? Buy a newer device.

[Final Mobilization] Motorola, Update My Phone!

To ALL,
I just had an idea that might actually force the Motorola to update our Atrix.
Before you think: "Is it another mobilization? No use, will not go nowhere," let me explain:
Actually, since there was a huge mobilization in this direction, but unfortunately, nowadays, petitions (signatures) no longer work as before.
Today petitions has very little visibility, limited almost only one who signed himself. This is not enough to achieve the target company directly, and even if we reach a sufficient number to lawsuits, companies have good lawyers that can prolong the process for years ...
Thus, when we can force the Motorola Atrix update to 4.0, we'll be running 8.0 on other phones ... Unfortunately it does.
Therefore, I am proposing a new form of mobilization, which will not reach the courts, but will use freedom of expression to reach the Motorola where it really hurts, in their public image!
We have seen many cases where "viral videos" have reached millions of hits and really solved certain problems. This is because the company's image just impaired, and it will always want to improve your public image again.
Anyway, the idea is the same, VIRAL VIDEOS.
But not just a video with millions of hits, but thousands of videos!
The idea is each record its own video, which should be short, with only a few seconds, stating the following sentence: MOTOROLA, UPDATE MY PHONE!
- You can record video wherever and however you want, if possible showing the phone, so that everyone knows that this is an Atrix.
- You can supplement with more phrases, like: DO NOT LET DIE ATRIX, or ATRIX IS AN EXCELLENT PHONE, or STOP DISRESPECT THE CONSUMER.
- If you have sufficient knowledge, feel free to make videos more elaborate, like this or this (I’m from Brazilm and I don’t know others international samples).
LET US FILL ALL YOUTUBE WITH THESE VIDEOS!
Post here your links to your videos, share links on social networks, to publish as much as possible!
Soon I'll be doing mine, and you?

Wow this is good idea Thanks

No.
Stop begging. Stop humiliating yourself.
You won't get your Atrix updated.
The only real cure is to stop purchasing anything Motorola has to offer.
Ignore them! The same way they ignore you.
I bought myself a Nexus 4.

I have to agree with the 'stop' sentiments. The arrogance of the person who was supposedly in charge of Atrix development is plain for everyone to see here http://sourceforge.net/motorola/atrix/discussion/general_comments/thread/5b551bd6/?limit=25&page=0
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Gopi Palaniappan
6 days ago
Dear Leon,
I am that committed Motorola resource What is it that you need besides the ICS kernel sources that we are already working on? btw..I have done some kernel hacking myself in my past life so its not like I don't understand what this is all about.
I am not saying that because I am an ego-maniac I seriously want to help where I can. I can't pull out engineers working on critical stuff to come to this forum and listen to rants. If you want their help, you need to ask yourself "what is it that I want to ask them when they are assigned to me( besides ICS kernel )".
AFAIK, there is no other request besides the ICS kernel. Also, I have been on direct IM with people who have been working on porting ICS on their own and even they have said that the only way to make progress is to get the entire kernel source.
Before I can go to engineering and ask for support, I need to know what they are going to be doing. That would help me determine which door I need to knock.
You can't blindly ask for engineering support. There are many people with varying skillsets working on various projects. I cannot just commit to assign a resource when I don't know who & what for. So when I mean " Assigning internal developers on this will not be possible" I meant I am still understanding what the community wants besides ICS kernel.
Lastly, No matter what I say, the community perception ain't going to change until we deliver something. We understand that very well. I think I have been as honest as I can be on this forum. We need to get appropriate clearance from carriers, partners and vendors to release software that never shipped out. You cant just go to them and demand for it. At the same time we don't want to jeopardize any other negotiations that may be going on with them. There is timing involved as well as cost/benefit projections. And you'd be surprised that after all the crap that gets posted, Motorola is still committed to try to make it happen.
Hope that puts the question of commitments to rest. Lets move on..
We want to see more posts in this format:
Hey Motorola, I am stuck because I ran into this problem [INSERT YOUR PROBLEM HERE]. I am trying to do this [INSERT YOUR GOALS or WHAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH].
I have contacted the forums and have also tried to do this [INSERT ANY WORKAROUNDS AND RESULTS] but still have no luck.
I think you can really help me in these areas [INSERT SPECIFIC HELP YOU NEED]
And btw, the stuff I am working on is really cool and will benefit the world in the following ways[INSERT THE BENEFITS]
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I'd like to hear anything besides request for kernel sources, unlocking bootloader, rooting the device.'
enough said. Pricks.

maajstor said:
No.
Stop begging. Stop humiliating yourself.
You won't get your Atrix updated.
The only real cure is to stop purchasing anything Motorola has to offer.
Ignore them! The same way they ignore you.
I bought myself a Nexus 4.
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This is just exactly what Motorola wants hear from us. "We are give it up this update..."
YES, I'll follow this mobilization. Motorola will never hear us until its flag will stained with its own neglect.
Follow me who wants your update.

Good idea bro. Even if we don't support motorola in purchasing their product, there are many people out there than us especially those who upgraded to latest Moto devices that support Moto. And they will never give a damn unless we staind them in public.
Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G

u know i dont really care for the update... i just want to use my phone like i want so i think to release the kernel source or source code would be better. Getting that would be higher. If u are unsatisfied with the atrix get another phone and learn from the past: "if want update. Buy A Nexus!!". i only bought atrix because of the lapdock if u dont use it than u phone choice was slightly bad.
Just for and end: Just use that u already have and if u complain then u choice was just bad. Learn from the mistakes, thats life

I was in your shoes once. Move on, accept you won't get an update and make sure you remember this when you buy a new phone.
I bought a Nexus 4. Came with Android 4.2, awesome build quality and specs and not to mention so cheap. Stick with the Nexus line in the future.

coolnow said:
I was in your shoes once. Move on, accept you won't get an update and make sure you remember this when you buy a new phone.
I bought a Nexus 4. Came with Android 4.2, awesome build quality and specs and not to mention so cheap. Stick with the Nexus line in the future.
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NOOOO!!!, Just No!

My first videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAA1gfnfaWU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfqGcKacI0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDD_AjDC4CU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX0TTysucYo

I think this is a great idea.
And for those saying that you are tired of this and that we should move to another phone, not all of us live in great countries like united states where this stuff is actually cheap, i paid a fortune for this phone 7 months ago and i really cant pay again for another phone that is updated, not that i dont have money, but in my country phones are too ****ing expensive for just tossing them into the trash when we dont like them anymore, so shut the hell up and leave this forum if you already bought another beautiful smartphone, but there is a lot of us which can't buy another one so every shot we have to make motorola suffer and give us hope for an update, is more than enough.
Goodbye!

Here at Brazil, a nexus 4 costs about US$ 1000, not only US$399 or less that it costs at USA.
Here, a Xiaomi MI2 costs about US$ 900, a Razr HD about US$ 800, and the Atrix about US$ 500, the same as an used Galaxy Nexus. They are very expensive phones. I can't simply buy another and abandon it.
So, I'll really fight for this update!

danilocps87 said:
Here at Brazil, a nexus 4 costs about US$ 1000, not only US$399 or less that it costs at USA.
Here, a Xiaomi MI2 costs about US$ 900, a Razr HD about US$ 800, and the Atrix about US$ 500, the same as an used Galaxy Nexus. They are very expensive phones. I can't simply buy another and abandon it.
So, I'll really fight for this update!
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i can understand u. thats means u bought a phone so u can get the update and the functions. But life isnt like that... motorola is going to go down so i am thinking that they dont care anymore about the old phones because its too old. They have to make better phones (razr, razr i,...) that means to develop webtop,ics or something else its not worth for old phones.
Sry to say but u have live with it or fight against motorola but it only waste some time and nerves... for norhthing

With due respect to all the people on this thread, i urge everyone to stop courting/begging/demanding Motorola to release at least something that our devs could work with. There's a far greater chance of our in-house devs coming up with a working kernel for JB than Motorola listening to all the dissatisfied voices.

Guys, please stop to post here only to say "stop with this".
If you really don't believe in the idea here, respect the much others than believe, and just share the videos!
Thanks!

maajstor said:
No.
Stop begging. Stop humiliating yourself.
You won't get your Atrix updated.
The only real cure is to stop purchasing anything Motorola has to offer.
Ignore them! The same way they ignore you.
I bought myself a Nexus 4.
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It is a known fact that it's Google that pulled the plug on the Atrix. So you basically just gave your money to the same motherf****

It is a real shame, such a great phone..
Motofail..

A great phone
A great hardware for me
But support of the motorola is a great FAIL
Enviado de meu MB860 usando o Tapatalk 2

Tiagodanielfb said:
A great phone
A great hardware for me
But support of the motorola is a great FAIL
Enviado de meu MB860 usando o Tapatalk 2
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Who need motorola when we have greats devs here in xda? ...I cant sell my atrix and buy a new phone...but my hopes are on mmontouri and kristianp...
Sent from my MB860 using xda premium

For those that think Moto will die, I have this to say:
Google bought them out, and Google is both honorable to us and respectful to our privacy. Just look at their privacy policy if you think they sell the information they collect. They don't. What they collect, they use for the sole purpose of improving their own products. I have a brother working for Google as in idea development, and a dear friend working for Google in the security dept. They both state that their users (specifically privacy) are their top concern at every moment.
That being said: with how big Google is, I seriously doubt Motorola will be dying anytime soon.
Now that doesn't mean Google has full control of Motorola. I realize that, but I have noticed some changes. For example, I noticed that they have a Bootloader Unlock Program now.
Not only that, but the build quality of their products have significantly increased.
I am not going to take sides on this argument of wanting the updates. Regardless of the fact that I want the updates, these phones are old, and there are companies Motorola has to go through to release this update or release the source code. For example: AT&T, Bell, or whatever carrier you have. This can take months to complete this process.
I honestly think Motorola has gotten the message that people want these updates, and I personally think that the only reason Motorola gets bad rep nowadays is because people are blaming them for things that aren't completely under their control. And if that is the case, spreading these videos only achieve one thing: more bad rep for a company that needs good rep to survive.
I have heard bad things about Motorola in the past, but I know Google is a good company, and I think that changes are going to come that will make Motorola a much better company, possibly even better than most other manufacturers. (I know that's exaggerating a bit...ahem...HTC, but still...you never know.)