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Hi.
The Nexus dev scene here on xda is growing, and that is satisfying given that one will have different custom ROMS to choose from.
Anyone know what will happen to the Desire once it gets here. Will the devs throw themselvs at it, or will the Nexus be the "G1/Magic" and the Desire the "Hero" in means of popularity?
chaval said:
Hi.
The Nexus dev scene here on xda is growing, and that is satisfying given that one will have different custom ROMS to choose from.
Anyone know what will happen to the Desire once it gets here. Will the devs throw themselvs at it, or will the Nexus be the "G1/Magic" and the Desire the "Hero" in means of popularity?
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Since my crystal ball is broken, I guess you'll have to wait and see.
Good comparison, I think the way it's gone so far that what you've outlined doesn't seem like to much of a stretch. Let's wait and see and delete this thread!
I'm still fairly new to xda, so could anyone clue me in re: the Magic/G1's popularity relative to the Hero's?
Edit: Never mind, I took a look at the post counts in both phones' respective development forums.
Put your money on Nexus One development being larger than that of the Desire. Maily because even though HTC is great about releasing resources for devs they are kind of slow in the develoment of HTC sense since is has so many features in it. As compared to google that will continue to pump out platforms every 6 months at a pace HTC can not keep up with. So stick with the nexus!
The Nexus One and Desire both have pretty much the same hardware, the G1 was left behind because it was slow, whereas the Hero was slightly better, with a much better build quality. The G1 couldn't run Sense but the Hero was made for it (still a bit slow I think).
Since the N1 and Desire are pretty much the same, I don't see why Devs would bother moving when they could have both phones in one just with a flash.
Also the N1 has noise cancellation (Y) which the desire doesn't
Was wondering what's the track record of Samsung getting custom Roms/firmware?
I really like how XDA have developers to do custom ROMS for HTC phones but was wondering does Samsung phones gets same treatment? Or will be looking at far and few in between updates from Samsung itself and won't be able to update to the latest and greatest?
Really want Nexus One but the Galaxy S is sooooooooo much better *sigh*
Can't answer your question on whether the Samsung will get the same amount of Dev time that has been lavished on the HTC phones, but I was in the same situation as yourself - Galaxy S or Nexus One.
I came down on the side of the Galaxy S simply because it's a better phone all round. There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One. I'm hoping that the popularity of this phone will mean that the Devs on here will start giving some time to the Galaxy S.
I must admit I was initially drawn towards the Nexus One because of excellent work that has been done by the likes of Cyanogen et al, but I took the long term view that surely the same must eventually happen with the Galaxy S. *crosses fingers*
For the Galaxy, there is MoDaCo. For the Galaxy Spica, there is Samdroid. Don't know much about the others, but they weren't released here in Europe anyway.
I followed Samdroid a while, thinking about getting a Spica. There are some awesome things going on there - they even tried to modify the touchscreen sensor, because the hardware does support multitouch, but the driver doesn't. AFAIK, they had no success, but still nice try. And they even opened a board for the Galaxy S, maybe Leshak fetches one and works some magic there in the future. If not, I am pretty sure somebody will.
If you want to customize it to run the latest roms, the question is: how "open" is this device?
I know that HTC made the Desire a pain in the butt to unlock/root, and they will improve this with every new phone the make, making them more and more secure and block customized images.
Is Samsung going to follow the same strategy?
I think you're right Magicdroid, the question would be how open this is. But even though the Desire was a pain to root, it HAD been rooted just cos there's lots of developers. When there are lots of developers, you'll get rooted device
I wonder if the Galaxy S will get lots of user base.............I just hope lots and lots of ppl will pick it up and then the chance of longetivity with custom ROMS dramatically increases....
I'm hopoing for good community support as well. I have an AT&T Tilt, and have doen well on the XDA site. I'm spoiled
I am very interested in the Galaxy S, but I"m on At&T, and the AT&T version i keep reading about doesn't have the same specs. So having to wait and see on that.
Also, I see a lot of negative feedback on Samsung support, and based on their previous Android phone (Behold I think it's called) is not getting an upgrade. Lots of complaints about being abandonded by Samsung.
Not sure what I'll do. If At&T doesn't get decent phones soon, I mahy have to look do Verizon.
Sorry...I'm rambling off topic.
The Galaxy S looks like a great piece of hardware.
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There's a multi-touch vid on youtube comparing the responsiveness of the screens, and the Galaxy wiped the floor with the Nexus One.
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Hilarious! I just found it and laughed so much http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg
I was considering to buy a Nexus, but now I changed my mind...someday this mobile will hopefully get root and give enough space for customizations of every kind...just wait and see - it will come in the mid of June to Europe and I'm eager to hold one in my hands
I'm disciplining myself to not get this phone until there's a good team of developers move to it to get customizations going
aaahhh the wait the wait......
and, do you have one jet? the best mod is doctorz rom. it runs very smooth
God damn it. Did you sign up just to necro a thread that's over A YEAR AND A HALF old?
Head over to the CyanogenMod forums and vote for the i9000/i9000M so we know just how many people are anxiously awaiting CM6.1.
Someone started a similar thread in the Captivate forum here, and now the Captivate votes are seriously out of proportion, so I'm rectifying that by posting here and in the other Galaxy S forums so we can have accurate representation for all models. Follow this link to vote.
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/7835-what-galaxy-s-do-you-have/
Voted, but the poor Galaxy S doesn't seem to be on the list for anything anytime soon. Guess cause Froyo isn't out yet. SGS development for 6.1 hasn't even been started yet.
Not looking good for the i9000
Think we are the 3rd to be looked at after Vibrant and Epic 4G
Part of the reason might be because Vibrant support has already been promised, and some of the Vibrant users are being very aggressive against the i9000 crowd (some don't even seem to realise that they are trying to protect vibrant development so it happens as fast as possible).
We really do need these numbers to RAPIDLY increase, because there are most likely plenty more i9000 users.
It seems that Cyanogen is probably aiming to satisfy the US based users first rather than the interanational audience. *Sigh*
massive turn around now, not sure if it because of this thread but i9000 is topping the poll!
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Hello,
new to the android scene, what would be the benefits of the Cyanogen Mod?
thanks for the alert. i've been wanting to know the progress on this as well. i figured they were waiting for the froyo source before really getting into it.
voted, and i9000 is way ahead now.
Hopefully the devs will get hold of a i9000 soon and/or work hard on the vibrant one and port it quickly (touchwood) as the hardware should be simular
Registered and voted even thought I'm still not sure whats so special about those mods?
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Registered and voted even thought I'm still not sure whats so special about those mods?
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It's more the way Google want's it to be, rather than Samsung / greedy Mobile carrier's
If you had a G1 or HTC Magic Cyanogen Mod was a god send and unlocked the true power of the phone, the Galaxy S' are so powerful (for a mobile) but the samsung dev's are more concerned about getting there own branded stuff on there.
My first android phone was Nexus One and after a year in December i bought Nexus S. Now i feel that i need a new phone or a tablet,right now i m little confused between samsung Galaxy s2 or Htc Sensation.
The reason i m posting is that many of you guys came from flavored to vanilla phone like Htc and galaxy. So i want to know which phone is devs favorite and has more roms and will be better for gaming and stuff.
Or
Should i go for Galaxy tablet or Asus EEEpad?
Go do your own research about Galaxy S2 vs. Sensation. People here at these forums prefer the Nexus S over anything. We get the Nexus series because manufacturers don't have any say in anything. They simply just provide the hardware.
Not being a jerk or anything, but we shouldn't have to babysit you one by one our opinions about what phone to get when we're already enjoying the one we already have.
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My first android phone was Nexus One and after a year in December i bought Nexus S. Now i feel that i need a new phone or a tablet,right now i m little confused between samsung Galaxy s2 or Htc Sensation.
The reason i m posting is that many of you guys came from flavored to vanilla phone like Htc and galaxy. So i want to know which phone is devs favorite and has more roms and will be better for gaming and stuff.
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Should i go for Galaxy tablet or Asus EEEpad?
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It's a tough question because everyone has different needs.
I have used MANY Android devices, I'm almost ashamed to admit.
I currently have the Nex S, HTC Glacier and a Motorola Xoom and I'll probably be getting the SGSII soon.
The Sensation is really nice. I have the ROM with Sense 3.0 running on my Glacier now and it's pretty sweet, but I still would prefer the SGSII without a doubt.
So it's really a YMMV situation, based entirely on your preferences, needs and wants
However, I've heard the new Samsung Galaxy 10.2 is currently regarded as the best Android tablet out now. So I hope that helps.
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Go do your own research about Galaxy S2 vs. Sensation. People here at these forums prefer the Nexus S over anything. We get the Nexus series because manufacturers don't have any say in anything. They simply just provide the hardware.
Not being a jerk or anything, but we shouldn't have to babysit you one by one our opinions about what phone to get when we're already enjoying the one we already have.
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C'mon man.
Lighten up a bit.
It's a community.
We help each other out.
He asked a harmless question.
That's all.
He clearly lacks experience and is looking for guidance from those that do.
Is that really so bad?
phonepersonality said:
C'mon man.
Lighten up a bit.
It's a community.
We help each other out.
He asked a harmless question.
That's all.
He clearly lacks experience and is looking for guidance from those that do.
Is that really so bad?
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It's really bad when you're coming to a respective forum and people are giving their own opinions about the phone when the REAL facts about the phone itself are on Engadget. These phones are made to fit a person's personality. One phone will please one person, whereas, another will knock it down because it's simply not what they're looking for.
Galaxy S2: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
Sensation: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/27/htc-sensation-review/
I'd go with the Galaxy S2. That's just me. Happy?
I just find it really rude to come here and start talking about two phones that have absolutely nothing to do with its respective forum. People here (especially Sprint) users just got the phone and it's making them have regrets in buying the NS4G because with this thread, it makes the NS seem like an obsolete device when development for the NS/NS4G is starting to boost.
Sensation XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1109
Galaxy S2 XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1055
Note: Going to one of those forums and asking the same thing, they will most likely side with their phone because its a biased post. Just like how I'm standing up for the Nexus S. However, it may be more informative since they ACTUALLY have the phone in their hand and can list their personal experiences with the phone rather than us providing our experiences based on our readings from tech blogs. Fair?
Quad-core phones are coming out later this year with the upcoming rumored Nexus device anyway, which will most likely be the flagship "Ice Cream Sandwich" device. The leaked roadmap for NVIDIA Tegra lists that Tegra 3 (Quad-Core 1.5GHz) will be released within this Fall.
And since the Nexus S is a Nexus device, it will be one of the first phones to get "Ice Cream Sandwich" (or whatever it will be called). Having that in mind KEEPS me on staying with Team Nexus. Because there's really no reason to go out of Team Nexus when Nexus devices are getting their updates directly from Google including a fully deoxed ROM being released in a short period of time. ESPECIALLY when these devices being released are not optimized for Dual-Core (or above) usage. It doesn't matter if it has a 8-core CPU, if the OS doesn't optimize those cores, then it really doesn't matter. That's the end of the story.
Anyway, enough of my ranting. I hope this makes you stay with Nexus devices because they are truly unique phones and people should learn to appreciate them more. We will get our updates faster than any other phone and to be honest, I don't trust any manufacturer that determines whether or not when I will get the OTA. Even still, CyanogenMod does a great job on keeping users at the highest Android OS version possible but a stock version of the latest will help. Especially when Nexus devices are un-bloated and built from AOSP for the most part.
GS II... hands down.
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I would go for SGSII since it's a Galaxy S series phone, where almost everything is possiblility
man, you need to get both in hands to decide! since in real world specs means nothing! sensation has better resolution, buy s2 has mega hiper super amoled plus (or whatever samsung is calling it now)...
pick both phones and use it for a while, then decide!
http://androidandme.com/2011/06/new...ou-might-want-to-wait-for-the-nexus-3-part-1/
Does it make me a terrible person that I want to pay full retail for that phone despite only having my ns4g for ~2 months now?
Why not just get a tablet. If your that much of a power user and need a new phone after a couple of months. Give your eyes a rest and get something bigger
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I prefer the overall non-branded android phones hence the nexus S I currently have. Had an HTC before and got kinda fed up with the bugs/issues and SLOW response from HTC to provide firmware updates.
I've had the Nexus S since Dec 2010 and I've already had four firmware updates!
Friend at work has the SGS2 and its a nice phone.. though I'd prefer it without touchwiz naturally lol
sjtscott said:
I prefer the overall non-branded android phones hence the nexus S I currently have. Had an HTC before and got kinda fed up with the bugs/issues and SLOW response from HTC to provide firmware updates.
I've had the Nexus S since Dec 2010 and I've already had four firmware updates!
Friend at work has the SGS2 and its a nice phone.. though I'd prefer it without touchwiz naturally lol
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Well the fact that Samsung gave a CM7 developer a Galaxy S2 to dev CyanogenMod meant a lot. I give Samsung more credit than they deserve regardless of how people criticize Samsung.
Motorola is just a no no.
HTC would be my second choice. I respect them for their commitment to "unlocking bootloaders." But the fact that they wanted to lock the bootloaders in their first place is shady.
Samsung doesn't really lock their bootloaders, its just fully open. And no, I'm not referring to the NS. The Galaxy S series wasn't even hard to unlock, just rename to update.zip and flash it in stock recovery.
I dont think so nexus 3 will be tegra 3 1.5 quad core so now i am thinking galaxy s2 or lg optimus 2x(g2x)
Nexus 3
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Does it make me a terrible person that I want to pay full retail for that phone despite only having my ns4g for ~2 months now?
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yes, it makes, you are terrible! =oP
that was the main reason i came to nexus, i want to trade it only for a new nexus... this hardware race is insane! it reminds me the old times of PC: 166mhz, 233mhz, 300mhz... MMX, 3DNOW
just look for better battery life .. wichever provide u better battery..and i think almost all phone now days coming with dual core n higher ram..
if u dont really care about updates than just pick one, which looks n feel better
cuz there arent much higher upgraded features coming anymore soo 2.3 and above is all cool
SGS2 because:
Faster everything
Slimmer profile
internal storage plus micro sd
physical button on the front
not Sensation because:
Wifi Death Grip issue
Sense 3.0 = which is garbage and pure eye candy
nexus one was my first android as well, and coming from vanilla, sense > touchwiz for me. Actually, a lot of ppl prefer sense over touchwiz. thats what you should look into if youre coming from vanilla.
of course, you should look at the specs as well. i found that any hardware differences werent significant enough for me.
Even though i'm not a fan of touchwiz, i ordered the sgsii because its compatible with the network im heading to, and mainly bc it looks like samsung really brought their stuff together and put a lot of work into the phone...where as (while i'm not doubting the work put into it) the sensation comes off as merely a dual-core EVO 4g.
just my 2 cents.
I don't understand why people prefer Sense > TouchWiz.
Sense is ALL EYE CANDY.
TouchWiz, first thing that comes to mind is looking like iOS. This is true, but when you put TouchWiz launcher under the hood and use LauncherPro/ADW over it. It's actually a great skin. TouchWiz implemented new features such as the power widgets on notifications bar and added codecs to play 720p. The Camera App was amazing too.
As of late, it seems as if less and less builds are being updated and less new builds emerge, specifically in the Sense department.
The developers we do have are dedicated and talented, but they're not many.
It's evident that with newer better devices in the market, a developer is more likely to pick up a new Sensation or at least SenseHD than an HD2.
I'd say as a result of the dwindling supply (and demand) of hard-core HD2 developers, less progress is being made in other fields such as drivers and libraries, the more 'hard-core' problems.
Also, MAGLDR and CLK, while both good in their own way, haven't been updated in ages (and while they are both amazing accomplishments, there is always work to be done).
Now you might ask me 'why are you complaining'? Well, I'm not - I'm thankful to just being able to run Android on my aging yet incredibly powerful device, and I'll take anything I can get. I'm just wondering if I'm imagining things, or if the HD2 has really been pushed to it's limits software-wise?
Hi,
As far as the SENSE issue goes,devs have pretty much reached the limit of development.
This is due to the lack of graphics libs from the source kernels held back by HTC.
Imilka has stated that he will not do any further development until these are released by HTC.
Any development at the moment is more of a sideways movement,rather than going forwards in leaps and bounds.
I think that you are suffering badly from ORD and you should seek solace from THIS THREAD.
You are right .There is new blood on the horizon in the shape of the Sensation and EVO 3D,but until they get unlocked bootloaders,I'll be returning to these pages for my ROM updating fixes,however infrequent they might be.
Sense 3 and the HD2
I have seen some nice things happening, and you may be right. Seems development is slowing. There seems to be even less in the EU versions of the phone. is it time to move on? maybe. I loved this phone, and that's why I bought it. I just hope it's a lull, and not the shape of things to come. (not yet at least.)
What is going to be the next great HTC phone that gets support like the HD2 did? I actually look to XDA to see what to buy Android wise. I always want something that looks like its going to be around for a while, and if its got lots of XDA attention, then that's what I want.