My friend has one and is already over it, im on Sprint (with a rooted hero) is there a way to get it working on the Sprint network?
Thanks in advance for any help guys and gals..
In short, yes, you just need to know someone in sprint that will transfer the esn and the meid
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As posted above, yes it's possible.. You'll need not "someone", but a high tier DB technician to hack the ESN into the Sprint database.
However, it's more easily said than done. From what I recall, both the CDMA carriers do ESN sweeps randomly and will boot off any ESN's they did not purchase.
Lol your friend just bought the x and is over it?
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The x is a grotesque brick...
Only people who don't have the phone that they are envious of slam it.
sent from Shawn Micheals...The heartbreak Kid
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The x is a grotesque brick...
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If you don't like it, then don't say anything about it. And don't come on the X boards. It's simple as that. no need to go starting stuff.
you could scan the phones memory for all esn/meid locations.. zero them out.. creating a 000000 esn. copy your current activated sprint device esn to the droid x. copy 3g profile from activted sprint device.
all done. and as long as you dont ever turn on your "donor phone" this should all be considered legal since the new law allows editing the phones software for the purpose of changing carriers.
you're welcome.
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you could scan the phones memory for all esn/meid locations.. zero them out.. creating a 000000 esn. copy your current activated sprint device esn to the droid x. copy 3g profile from activted sprint device.
all done. and as long as you dont ever turn on your "donor phone" this should all be considered legal since the new law allows editing the phones software for the purpose of changing carriers.
you're welcome.
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What your suggesting he do, is not only still considered "Illegal" it is also impossible on any motorola phone, unless you have the "Black Box" which is capable of making such changes without issue, and seeing as how there are only 4 of these boxes in existance, I highly doubt anyone here has it, I hope one of the admin's comes along soon and deltes this post before someone without this knowledge creates an overpriced brick.
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What your suggesting he do, is not only still considered "Illegal" it is also impossible on any motorola phone, unless you have the "Black Box" which is capable of making such changes without issue, and seeing as how there are only 4 of these boxes in existance, I highly doubt anyone here has it, I hope one of the admin's comes along soon and deltes this post before someone without this knowledge creates an overpriced brick.
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show me how this is illegal after the new federal ruling from the LoC allowing jailbreaking/unlocking/rooting/editing the phones software to be used on any carrier?
and the black box myth is just that..
nothing illegal is being talked about here.. just legal and legit possible methods for using a phone on a different carrier.
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show me how this is illegal after the new federal ruling from the LoC allowing jailbreaking/unlocking/rooting/editing the phones software to be used on any carrier?
and the black box myth is just that..
nothing illegal is being talked about here.. just legal and legit possible methods for using a phone on a different carrier.
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"Jailbreaking, Unlocking, and Rooting" Are correct all legal, Tampering with the phones electronic serial number, and FCC ID are still quite illegal, and punishable allthough rarely enforced under federal Law, and as for the black box being a myth, why don't you hook it up, scan the locations, and do as you suggest so we can all have a good laugh at your expense, and you can admire your new expensive paperweight.
could you point me towards instructions on how to get the droidx on Sprint?
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"Jailbreaking, Unlocking, and Rooting" Are correct all legal, Tampering with the phones electronic serial number, and FCC ID are still quite illegal, and punishable allthough rarely enforced under federal Law, and as for the black box being a myth, why don't you hook it up, scan the locations, and do as you suggest so we can all have a good laugh at your expense, and you can admire your new expensive paperweight.
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number 1 its not illegal to flash to another carrier but he is right changing the fcc id is very illegal on the other hand good luck finding someone that has done this the other option is to pay for a program such as hudinisoft, or cdma ware which allows you to force a esn from another device with out a "black box" ( dont believe every thing you read on gizmodo bro lol) this all can be done from your pc Good Luck dont brick it
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number 1 its not illegal to flash to another carrier but he is right changing the fcc id is very illegal on the other hand good luck finding someone that has done this the other option is to pay for a program such as hudinisoft, or cdma ware which allows you to force a esn from another device with out a "black box" ( dont believe every thing you read on gizmodo bro lol) this all can be done from your pc Good Luck dont brick it
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Correct on all points with the exception of the "Black Box" How do I know you ask? I have a motorola Droid 1 in my desk drawer I thought I knew it all and would try, now it does nothing, went through successfully or so I thought, and soon as it shut down, it doesn't boot anymore.
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Correct on all points with the exception of the "Black Box" How do I know you ask? I have a motorola Droid 1 in my desk drawer I thought I knew it all and would try, now it does nothing, went through successfully or so I thought, and soon as it shut down, it doesn't boot anymore.
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so you did the esn force on a black box and it failed? what is the actual name of this suposed black box i woul like to research it a little
and i was thinking couldnt you do this with qpst load the phone click EFS explorer it will prompt you for a spc which is now called msl you will have to pull this off the device that you are taking the esn from (your hero) on sprint i belive its 000000 it may be 00000000 i know they use a universal msl for all devices then wait for the NVM to load then navigate to "nvm sys.esn" there may be a $ before the sys i cant remeber im not looking a qpst atm now copy that esn down and save it incase this doesnt work and you can go back to the stock esn there is an embeded tool in qpst called esn checksum calc open it and put the heros esn in there to generate the right checksum for that esn. now go to XVI32 and nav to the "nvm sys.esn" again now its going to look nuts in there but in all the numbers you will see the devices esn with a set of numbers after it those are the checksums you just generated now enter your new esn and checksum done
if you cant get it im sure there is an old qpst walthrough running around i belive there used to be one on ehow back in the day
gl
ps i take no responsiblity for your bricked device so dont send me a bill
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so you did the esn force on a black box and it failed? what is the actual name of this suposed black box i woul like to research it a little
and i was thinking couldnt you do this with qpst load the phone click EFS explorer it will prompt you for a spc which is now called msl you will have to pull this off the device that you are taking the esn from (your hero) on sprint i belive its 000000 it may be 00000000 i know they use a universal msl for all devices then wait for the NVM to load then navigate to "nvm sys.esn" there may be a $ before the sys i cant remeber im not looking a qpst atm now copy that esn down and save it incase this doesnt work and you can go back to the stock esn there is an embeded tool in qpst called esn checksum calc open it and put the heros esn in there to generate the right checksum for that esn. now go to XVI32 and nav to the "nvm sys.esn" again now its going to look nuts in there but in all the numbers you will see the devices esn with a set of numbers after it those are the checksums you just generated now enter your new esn and checksum done
if you cant get it im sure there is an old qpst walthrough running around i belive there used to be one on ehow back in the day
gl
ps i take no responsiblity for your bricked device so dont send me a bill
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No, did it using the full version of Workshop, and while your method is close, it's not 100% correct, and all you have to do is google Motorolla ESN "Repair" or "Change" and you'll get all the info on the "Black Box" that you need, to my knowledge through research there are only 4 or 5 of these machines in existance due to substantial cost, Moto likes to lock their stuff down
Well i haven't done these for years but as i remember that
Was a problem with the first version of motorolas like the motorola
Vader, if you flash it wrong it seems like the phone is death
But there was an original default flash version that after flashig
Make the phone work again, even when the technology grows
So fast i see that they still using the same technics as before.
As a big tip i should say that all model and brand use the same
Fabricant of "system" and is qualcomm, this way we can know
That sometimes we can make work the phone trcking them with
Psts with diferent brand becase of compatibility.
I hope this helP someone
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show me how this is illegal after the new federal ruling from the LoC allowing jailbreaking/unlocking/rooting/editing the phones software to be used on any carrier?
and the black box myth is just that..
nothing illegal is being talked about here.. just legal and legit possible methods for using a phone on a different carrier.
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Read the final Paragraph on this webpage.
http://www.tiaonline.org/standards/resources/esn/
"In an Order, the commission adopted a rule (22.919) requiring that all cellular telephones for which type acceptance is sought after January 1, 1995, must be designed such that the factory-set ESN can not be reprogrammed. At the same time, the commission stated that it considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software."
ESN tampering is technically illegal since it falls under the basic idea of cloning or tampering of "factory-set ESN".
Although it is impossible to check if its an esn from a damaged device, and unless you walk up to a cop point it out, and he actually gives a crap. Then you could be charged a low level felony for breaking the WTPA.
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As posted above, yes it's possible.. You'll need not "someone", but a high tier DB technician to hack the ESN into the Sprint database.
However, it's more easily said than done. From what I recall, both the CDMA carriers do ESN sweeps randomly and will boot off any ESN's they did not purchase.
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Not really, they no longer do those kinds of checks, for him its going to be more of an issue is if the esn will show up as an evdo phone in their database.
i hate to burst everyone heres bubble. if you read the fcc regulations it is only illegal to change ESN # if your intent is fraud. if you do not intent on committing fraud. it is legal
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Well, you may take it as stupid and risky question, but I gotta ask this.
How can I change IMEI of my hermes?
In south korea, they start to provide wcdma based phone recently,
while they only provided CDMA phones, which they don't need SIM card.
Then people start to bring Hermes to my country and used it for a while.
However, god dam WCDMA carriers did not welcome foreign phones,
especially which has sophisticated pda function with wi-fi and phone,
cuz almost half of the profit was harvested from data connection fee and
selling MP3 and ringtones through mobile,
and it evidently will be harmful factor to allow PDA phone like Hermes for those carriers.
(they still sell crappy PDA phone for 500bucks,while ordinary 3G phone costs no money,
or they removed wi-fi function of most of the phone like Blackjack.)
Also, they don't allow using a sim card except a single designated phone,
they cannot swap each other's phone even in a carrier.
Anyway, we could use Hermes for several months, but they found out existance of foreign phone
and blocked it, by searching IMEI of all hermes in Korea(as far as I judge).
But guess what? Once they started do cheap cunning way, I wanna challenge this thing.
So, what I plan to do is....
1. Buy one of the free 3G phone
(Seriously, it's free without 24 month contract, while Blackjack costs 400 bucks).
2. Check IMEI of it.
3. copy that to my Hermes if you guyz give me a clue of way of doing it.
So.....is there anyone who can tell me how to modify my IMEI or any source that I can refer?
I'm sure it is not yet legislated in Korea, cuz it's been only a year to provide IMEI based phone.
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Well, you may take it as stupid and risky question, but I gotta ask this.
How can I change IMEI of my hermes?
In south korea, they start to provide wcdma based phone recently,
while they only provided CDMA phones, which they don't need SIM card.
Then people start to bring Hermes to my country and used it for a while.
However, god dam WCDMA carriers did not welcome foreign phones,
especially which has sophisticated pda function with wi-fi and phone,
cuz almost half of the profit was harvested from data connection fee and
selling MP3 and ringtones through mobile,
and it evidently will be harmful factor to allow PDA phone like Hermes for those carriers.
(they still sell crappy PDA phone for 500bucks,while ordinary 3G phone costs no money,
or they removed wi-fi function of most of the phone like Blackjack.)
Also, they don't allow using a sim card except a single designated phone,
they cannot swap each other's phone even in a carrier.
Anyway, we could use Hermes for several months, but they found out existance of foreign phone
and blocked it, by searching IMEI of all hermes in Korea(as far as I judge).
But guess what? Once they started do cheap cunning way, I wanna challenge this thing.
So, what I plan to do is....
1. Buy one of the free 3G phone
(Seriously, it's free without 24 month contract, while Blackjack costs 400 bucks).
2. Check IMEI of it.
3. copy that to my Hermes if you guyz give me a clue of way of doing it.
So.....is there anyone who can tell me how to modify my IMEI or any source that I can refer?
I'm sure it is not yet legislated in Korea, cuz it's been only a year to provide IMEI based phone.
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well...it's a big challenge...
and i also wanna know if anyone who has anyway to archieve this, anyone please?
livewirejj said:
Well, you may take it as stupid and risky question, but I gotta ask this.
How can I change IMEI of my hermes?
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Changing the IMEI number of any phone is illegal in most, if not all countries.
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Changing the IMEI number of any phone is illegal in most, if not all countries.
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But some wicked dealers is still changing IMEIs to cheat customer....
what about good old XDAmanipulator? can't that work?
as far as i know XDAmanipulator only ever worked with wallaby
and only with some radiostacks on wallaby even
and it required a real serial connection as in good old rs232
pretty sure rs232 is not even present in newer pda's connectors
i don't know the procedure. but even if i did know, I will not reveal it in the open coz "criminals" frequenting our ever popular forums will only get one more formula to tamper with phones!
and neither do i know u or the authenticity of ur story... please don't take me wrong!
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i don't know the procedure. but even if i did know, I will not reveal it in the open coz "criminals" frequenting our ever popular forums will only get one more formula to tamper with phones!
and neither do i know u or the authenticity of ur story... please don't take me wrong!
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Quite detail it was to prove sorta "authenticity," and the bigger premise that "No one can use Hermes in Korea!!" proves that nothing can be done in Korea other than messing up with IMEI, whether it's stolen or bought abroad.
Well, there are quite a lot Korean underground technitions who can mess up with ESN(IMEI of CDMA), but it's been only a year since they start to use GSM system in Korea, and HTC phone is not even imported in this country, as I said at the first post.
Anyhow...then is there any way I can contact with American underground techinitions?
Here's what u want.
You must DOWNGRADE your SPL to 1.11 and then use aWizard-V1_3beta2 to open RAPI and unlock CID.
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Step1
Install WST v4.2.1, Run "Wizard Service Tool"
(if you wanna MORE you can see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=329170,this thread also include WST for u to download)
Step2
Get connected and click "Repair IMEI"
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isn't WST for wizards only?
It evidently shows it's for Wizard.
Did you try using it?
Well...
I've tried this method several times but didn't go through. Since all above tools are for Wizard and therefore RAPI unlocker doesn't work at all. Is there any "special" way to make it possible?
Using SPL2.1, did any thread show how to downgrade to 1.11?
thanks
smads said:
Changing the IMEI number of any phone is illegal in most, if not all countries.
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Why? Which laws are you talking about?
Huwawa said:
Why? Which laws are you talking about?
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You know whats funny tho? Half of the people on this board break the law everyday downloading music and movies. Then get touchy on this subject.
Its an ethical thing...
yeah, it's for the TI OMAP chip, which is nothing like the Hermes and won't work
Is it just me that finds his story somewhat implausible?
How would a network block a certain mobile device?
What about those who travel in the country and use theirs then? Will they block the sim... I don't think so.
Good luck with the IMEI changing....
Cheers
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Why? Which laws are you talking about?
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In the UK it is covered by the Mobile Telephones (Re-programming) Act 2002. The link is here http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2002/ukpga_20020031_en_1
We do not have such a law in Slovakia.
So HOW do I change IMEI in HTC Artemis ???
GPSSlovakia said:
We do not have such a law in Slovakia.
So HOW do I change IMEI in HTC Artemis ???
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Either you don't full stop - OR you ask again in the Artemis forum
Is there a way that I can use my Verizon HTC 6800 with my new Sprint Service?
No they won't accept the esn number
you'd have to clone, which is illegal.
so basically, no.
AaronISme said:
Is there a way that I can use my Verizon HTC 6800 with my new Sprint Service?
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You would have to modify your ESN to an ESN that sprint would accept, probably from a broken spring phone you bought.
Many suggest this is illegal, which it is not. But the subject is taboo due the history of cellphone cloning fraud and abuse. This cloning is not the issue it once was, but the taboo remains.
Precisely. Title 47 CFR 22.919 which made ESN changing illegal was repealed in 2002 or 2003.
Kinda funny, 22.919 also said changing factory shipped firmware was illegal. Nowadays, no one wastes a second changing firmware but many still think ESN changing is illegal.
nsxt42 said:
Precisely. Title 47 CFR 22.919 which made ESN changing illegal was repealed in 2002 or 2003.
Kinda funny, 22.919 also said changing factory shipped firmware was illegal. Nowadays, no one wastes a second changing firmware but many still think ESN changing is illegal.
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I thought were BSing
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2002/pdf/02-31382.pdf
page 6 (77180) left column bottom.
Totally gutted!
Update. please excuse thread necromancy, but this update is for posterity.
Sprint and Verizon devices are regulated under CFR24 (As PCS devices, not GSM), not 22, so the whole ESN change thing in 22 never applied.
The reason I ask is because I went to both verizon and sprint and i asked:
--at verizon--
Me: If I buy an Evo from sprint, full price and bring it here to run on your network will it work? being that both of you run CDMA I dont see it being a problem? am I wrong?
Verizon: No, it will not work. You should get our "incredible."
--at sprint--
Me: If I buy an "incredible" from Verizon, full price and bring it here to run on your network will it work? being that both of you run CDMA I dont see it being a problem? am I wrong?
Sprint: No, it will not work.
So I asked them both why not...?
Verizon: different hardware. And settings.
Sprint: Legality.
(they also said they have not had their training yet at that location for the evo... and they are only a few weeks away of a release. )
Can someone explain whats going on here? They made me doubt my understanding as to how cdma worked. It is to my understanding it should work on both networks. Question is, getting verizon to accept me as a customer with the evo. Someone correct me if im wrong.
Im set on the Evo, but I dont want Sprint. I want verizon. Not planning on getting the "incredible." For that I stick with the iphone 4g and att.
There are ways to do it, but they are quite illegal (as in rape you in the ass prison felony). Look it up online, but don't expect to find that info here.
kyleblakepeters said:
There are ways to do it, but they are quite illegal (as in rape you in the ass prison felony). Look it up online, but don't expect to find that info here.
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Any chance for a little more clarification? A keyword at least to find my answer. I just want to know actually why they would reject a potential customer. I'm a little tired of smoke and mirrors.
I wouldn't want to do anything illegal like cloning. I just want facts. No big deal.
tried it twice...no go
only way would be to hack the phone and change a whole lotta stuff...then change the esn to another verizon phone you own (which is illegal, i believe). then it is possible. however, i have two phones (one alltel, one sprint) and have requested verizon to add my esn's to their database (after i changed the 'whole lotta stuff' myself) ...eventhough the phones work on verizon, i could never get them to add them to their database enabling me to legally use the phone on their network. i griped and griped, they 'caved' in on more than one occasion, and said it would be done, but never did it. 15-20 total calls? and still nothing. i can't wait to tell them i am leaving...and for that reason i am not on contract. they tried to tell me numerous times it "wouldn't work, different hardware" but i have even tested it and made calls successfully, so it all seems to be a game. the one department that was designed to allow this, apparently closed. bottom line, don't waste your time. by the time someone posts instructions on how to do it, their will be 2-3 verizon phones more powerful -it is still a long way off.
It's ESN switching. Sprint and Verzion never put each others ESNs on to the other's network. I don't think even Jesus could manage that feat.
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only way would be to hack the phone and change a whole lotta stuff...then change the esn to another verizon phone you own (which is illegal, i believe). then it is possible. however, i have two phones (one alltel, one sprint) and have requested verizon to add my esn's to their database (after i changed the 'whole lotta stuff' myself) ...eventhough the phones work on verizon, i could never get them to add them to their database enabling me to legally use the phone on their network. i griped and griped, they 'caved' in on more than one occasion, and said it would be done, but never did it. 15-20 total calls? and still nothing. i can't wait to tell them i am leaving...and for that reason i am not on contract. they tried to tell me numerous times it "wouldn't work, different hardware" but i have even tested it and made calls successfully, so it all seems to be a game. the one department that was designed to allow this, apparently closed. bottom line, don't waste your time. by the time someone posts instructions on how to do it, their will be 2-3 verizon phones more powerful -it is still a long way off.
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Thank you! thats the answer I was looking for. Much grateful!
What about the users that pay full price? Why would they do that if they cant take it elsewhere? Does it mean Even if they pay full price, the ESN belongs to sprint? It sounds wrong to do that. Im not complaining. Im just trying to make sense of this.
0okami said:
It sounds wrong to do that.
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Welcome to the world. Don't let the door kick you in the ass on the way out.
theres a form you can fill out to take a cdma phone from another carrier and activate it on verizon, you need to ship your phone to vzw HQ though, and they say it can take 3 weeks to determine if they will allow it on the network or not.
its an official verizon form just gotta find it.
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theres a form you can fill out to take a cdma phone from another carrier and activate it on verizon, you need to ship your phone to vzw HQ though, and they say it can take 3 weeks to determine if they will allow it on the network or not.
its an official verizon form just gotta find it.
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I'll check with the verizon rep. She was really friendly and what ever she didnt know she dug for papers. Maybe we can work something out.
I'll keep everyone posted if something results.
Thanks for the information!
will not work on verizon, they have a policy of not taking sprint branded phones, the esn's are registered to sprint and they know it's an evo.
sprint doesn't take anything other than what they've registered... it's a sticky thicket I know.
esn cloneing would work, but we don't talk about that kinda stuff here apparently, gotten scolded on more than one occasion for doing so =P
Hey guys im a newb and was wondering if i can flash my bad esn x play to metro pcs? I cant afford Verizon anymore so they gave me a bad esn and metro has the 40$ unlimited everything
So if you guys can help me out this is much appreciated i love this phone and don't want to give it away yet.
Just get your sim unlocked and change the APN settings
Edit: unsure if a bad esn can be fixed by unlocking.. You'll have to ask someone who deals with sim unlocks
Sent from my R800
rawrrzombie12 said:
Hey guys im a newb and was wondering if i can flash my bad esn x play to metro pcs? I cant afford Verizon anymore so they gave me a bad esn and metro has the 40$ unlimited everything
So if you guys can help me out this is much appreciated i love this phone and don't want to give it away yet.
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The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.
you would have to change ESN which is... well, quite impossible...
Send frm my Play with coustum kernals
AndroHero said:
The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.
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i didn't steal the phone i couldn't afford the plan i was one so they cut my phone off that's what i meant. i guess ill just take it and see if it will work
rawrrzombie12 said:
i didn't steal the phone i couldn't afford the plan i was one so they cut my phone off that's what i meant. i guess ill just take it and see if it will work
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The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.
Rogue Leader said:
The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.
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Doesn't mean he stole it. Could have been locked into a bad contract
Some people like myself buy them off ebay with bad esn
What happens is all these reneged accounts are lying around eligible for upgrades
some one will come in and get all the brand new phones unopened and sell them online for big profit.
It's 100% your property if you buy it from a 3rd party.
The bad ESN part is bad because then all the towers will block your phone
so you cant use 40$ pre-pay service because they are leasing the towers from big company like verizon and such
Rogue Leader said:
The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.
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You can flash any phone with a bad esn to another provider, if you have the proper software.
captain67 said:
Just get your sim unlocked and change the APN settings
Edit: unsure if a bad esn can be fixed by unlocking.. You'll have to ask someone who deals with sim unlocks
Sent from my R800
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AndroHero said:
The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.
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Blagus said:
you would have to change ESN which is... well, quite impossible...
Send frm my Play with coustum kernals
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Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. READ people. SIM card on CDMA? Why list the reason when he told you the reason out-right (can't afford it; obviously under contract)? "Impossible" to do something which is done every day? Jeeze. If you don't know the answer or what you are talking about WHY do you feel compelled to answer the man?
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Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. READ people. SIM card on CDMA? Why list the reason when he told you the reason out-right (can't afford it; obviously under contract)? "Impossible" to do something which is done every day? Jeeze. If you don't know the answer or what you are talking about WHY do you feel compelled to answer the man?
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Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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I don't know how things are done there, but actually that's technically and legally wrong here in the USA. The phone is rebated and paid for at the time the contract is signed. The SERVICE CONTRACT is the only remaining obligation. The contract comes with terms and stipulations stating that they will require payment of an ETF (Early Termination Fee) if he does not carry the contract to full term and that they will ban the ESN if he does not pay that. It does not state that the phone remains or reverts to being their property.
For consumer protections reasons, there are other "outs" in the contract and you are not required to send the phone back because it is YOURS nor are you required to pay ETFs. For example, the FCC does not want local monopolies to keep you living in an area they serve just because you have a contract with a provider there that doesn't exist elsewhere. For example, if I wanted to move to North Dakota and there was no Sprint coverage in the town I was moving to, I can move there and keep my phone and end my contract and legally dodge the ETF. If I ever activate it with that provider again, they can require me to resume my contract.
Simple.
CZroe said:
I don't know how things are done there, but actually that's technically and legally wrong here in the USA. The phone is rebated at the time the contract is signed. The SERVICE CONTRACT is the only remaining obligation. The contract comes with terms and stipulations stating that they will require payment of an ETF (Early Termination Fee) if he does not carry the contract to full term and that they will ban the ESN if he does not pay that. It does not state that the phone remains or reverts to being their property.
For consumer protections reasons, there are other "outs" in the contract and you are not required to send the phone back because it is YOURS. For example, the FCC does not want local monopolies to keep you living in an area they server just because you have a contract with a provider there that doesn't exist elsewhere. For example, if I wanted to move to North Dakota and there was no Sprint coverage in the town I was moving to, I can move there and keep my phone and end my contract and legally dodge the ETF. If I ever activate it with that provider again, they can require me to resume my contract.
Simple.
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Hooray America! (another example of an it is you can suspend/cancel your contact without an ETF if you getting deployed overseas (military))
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Flipping through the thread and damn some people are f ing unbelievable. Your really going to call the guys phone stolen because he couldnt pay the bill? Are you kidding me? Pretty sure the 250 dollar early termination fee that will be tacked on to a final bill will pretty much cover the cost of the phone.. Its amazing how people can be so argumentative for no reason. The guy had a simple question, he didnt ask for a moral judgement. The answer to your question is YES you can have it flashed to metro.
AndroHero said:
Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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Why did you even waste energy and burn a single calorie to type on this thread if you weren't going to contribute to the question asked. I'm sick of arse holes that want to play phone police on an internet forum. You don't know if he paid his termination fee or made conditions with Verizon. Personally I think its none of your business or any body else. So the point of the matter is Metro hooks up a lot of phones from other carriers such as Verizon legally in the US. Trust me America being the forefront of lawsuits would have sued the breaks off of Metro PCS if it wasn't. Do not post if you don't have anything intelectual or contributing please.
R800x Carrier Pigeon - Got any change?
Before I get into the nitty gritty, yes, ive seached the forum. yes ive seached the google. yes, afaik im using the right software (cdma-w, qpst, QXDM, even that dfs cdma tool).
The Xperia Play (R800x - Verizon) is an amazing phone first of all. If only it could make calls...
Here is the problem im having: I can write min, nam, PRL, etc, most NV items to the phone just fine. but when i try to repair the esn/meid i get back an error which, though slightly different depending on the software, amounts to a statement that the value is read-only or failed to write. I have some past success with this sort of thing on other platforms (Moto Razr for ex.)but im at a loss here, and ready to accept any help offered. I read somewhere that an unlocked BL is req. but that doesnt make sense to me.
Also ive noticed that the older version of cdmaw (2.7) doesn't seem to read or write meid values, only esn, from what ive read, its like frank sinatra said, you cant have one without the other.
So my questions: has anyone else run into this problem? Is it related to the bootloader or ROM in any way? Suggestions etc Please and Thank you
Yes im a n00b. yes im ok with that. there is always some1 who knows more about something than I do. Teach me to fish so i can share my fish
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Before I get into the nitty gritty, yes, ive seached the forum. yes ive seached the google. (btw, the flash-to-MetroPCS page seems to have vanished from the internets..)yes, afaik im using the right software (cdma-w, qpst, QXDM, even that dfs cdma tool).
The Xperia Play (R800x - V3r1$0N) is an amazing phone first of all. If only it could make calls...
With every intention of avoiding starting a legal debate, here is the problem im having: I can write min, nam, PRL, etc, most NV items to the phone just fine. but when i try to .repair. the 3$n or M31D i get back an error which, though slightly different depending on the software, amounts to a statement that the value is read-only or failed to write. i may have some past success with this sort of thing on other platforms (Moto Razr for ex.)-allegedly, and im by no means stumped or ready to give up, but im ready to accept any help offered. I read somewhere that an unlocked BL is req. but that doesnt make sense to me.
Also ive noticed that the older version of cdmaw (2.7) which may or may not be available from the common sources, doesn't seem to read or write m31d values, only 3$n, from what ive read, its like frank sinatra said, you cant have one without the other.
So my questions: has anyone else run into this problem? Is it related to the bootloader or ROM in any way? Suggestions etc Please and Thank you
Yes im a n00b. yes im ok with that. there is always some1 who knows more about something than I do. Teach me to fish
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Couple things:
1. "hacker speak" like saying 3$n and m31D is tremendously annoying. I have no idea why you felt the need to do that. Actual intelligent humans like you will find here think you sound like an idiot when you type like that. Speak English, its what we speak.
2. I don't believe anyone has successfully done with this phone what you're trying to do AFAIK. There are people who can unlock the bootloader for you, but I agree I doubt that would help, but hey who knows.
3. That said, you threw gas on the fire even mentioning legal issues. I'm not gonna make any assumptions about why you have a bad ESN phone a I don't know where you got it, but as you can see its a touchy subject here. Mainly because carriers don't just blacklist ESNs for no reason or on a whim.
Anyway whatever your reasons, good luck, I don't know that you will find an answer here, but maybe someone who does know can help you.
Touchy subject
My Esn is clear, but i already have service with another cdma provider- one who has very limited choices as far as phones go. I have no intention of trying to rip off my carrier for my data use or anything like that, i just want to make calls on my current network, using my R800x.
I wrote 3$n because some places will delete your post or even ban you just for mentioning the word, which is silly since all we're trying to do is exchange some theoretical knowledge.
Anyway thanks for your response RogueLeader.
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My Esn is clear, but i already have service with another cdma provider- one who has very limited choices as far as phones go. I have no intention of trying to rip off my carrier for my data use or anything like that, i just want to make calls on my current network, using my R800x.
I wrote 3$n because some places will delete your post or even ban you just for mentioning the word, which is silly since all we're trying to do is exchange some theoretical knowledge.
Anyway thanks for your response RogueLeader.
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So your carrier just plain won't accept your Xperia Play's ESN, so you're trying to swap on one from another phone? Good plan, but like I said it seems like something thats not likely possible (or hey maybe it is and just no one's done it yet). I'd be interested to hear if this works out. Also pretty ridiculous if its true that they just won't take it, but then again Verizon won't accept non Verizon cdma phones as far as I know, but we expect them to suck.
As for this place its pretty heavily monitored, so if your post goes somewhere they don't want, it doesn't matter what words you use they will delete it for you ..
Waka Flocka FLAME!
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Bad esn for whatever reason, it's still a bad esn. Metro does have the power and tools to flash SOME phones to their network. BUT a lot of these phones will not be fully functional, whether it's the internet or mms, etc. but here's the thing, we here are not metro pcs, we are consumers, ask metro, if they don't have an answer we will more than likely not have one either.
you will just piss some people off with your poor search and investigative skills.
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I was able to get VOLTE working by "manipulating" ATT. I dont know if this has been discussed or anything, all I can say is it's verified.
You need the IMEI of a device that has been "greenlighted" by ATT to have VOLTE. Leave your OP 5t setup alone. Sim card in and everything.
Chat with att or call them and tell them to assign the IMEI number to your phone number. It took about a day for it to go through. I went in and used the Magisk Module to enable VOLTE. Sure enough VOLTE works fine. Its just fooling their system into thinking the device is "greenlighted".
Edit: I guess when I sat down to write this, it may not be totally clear.
1) You have to have a device with a good IMEI, you arent changing the IMEI.
2) You want ATT to Apply that IMEI that came with the phone you are going to use for the IMEI.
It triggers their system to think the device is greenlighted for volte, even if you use your OP 5t (or other phone).
Theres nothing illegal, its just a loop hole Ive found in their system since they dont want to play nice with VOLTE and phones they dont sell. That S6 was mine and had a good IMEI. Its sitting next to me.
Just wanted to go on record and in a little more depth of what I was doing and how it was working, Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused. I do go on record stating, I told the ATT tech what I was doing and all he said was "thats clever". He still did it for me. So I dont even think you would have to lie to be honest,
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I was able to get VOLTE working by "manipulating" ATT. I dont know if this has been discussed or anything, all I can say is it's verified.
You need the IMEI of a device that has been "greenlighted" by ATT to have VOLTE. Leave your OP 5t setup alone. Sim card in and everything.
Chat with att or call them and tell them to assign the IMEI number to your phone number. It took about a day for it to go through. I went in and used the Magisk Module to enable VOLTE. Sure enough VOLTE works fine. Its just fooling their system into thinking the device is "greenlighted".
Edit: I guess when I sat down to write this, it may not be totally clear.
1) You have to have a device with a good IMEI, you arent changing the IMEI.
2) You want ATT to Apply that IMEI that came with the phone you are going to use for the IMEI.
It triggers their system to think the device is greenlighted for volte, even if you use your OP 5t (or other phone).
Theres nothing illegal, its just a loop hole Ive found in their system since they dont want to play nice with VOLTE and phones they dont sell. That S6 was mine and had a good IMEI. Its sitting next to me.
Just wanted to go on record and in a little more depth of what I was doing and how it was working, Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused. I do go on record stating, I told the ATT tech what I was doing and all he said was "thats clever". He still did it for me. So I dont even think you would have to lie to be honest,
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Well there are 2 things about that.
1. Xda doesnt condone committing fraud which is what you are doing. It doesnt matter if you own the other phone or not.
2. ATT also does random scans where they pull the imei from active devices to update the accounts.
I have an LG G6 on my account as my OP5t and it still doesn't work for me. I tried that on the OP5, having them add an imei of a known ATT phone. They guy scanned a store version of a G6, but no change.
zelendel said:
Well there are 2 things about that.
1. Xda does condone committing fraud which is what you are doing. It doesnt matter if you own the other phone or not.
2. ATT also does random scans where they pull the imei from active devices to update the accounts.
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Says who? I'm sure you meant to say that we DON'T condone the committing of fraud, which would then be an accurate statement.
As to the subject matter however, I have to respectfully disagree here Zel. There is no theft taking place, no exchanging of IMEI information. All this is saying is that you apply a valid IMEI to your account for VoLTE access in a device that typically wouldn't have it. This is simply circumventing the system. Just like allowing threads that talk about circumventing Googles startup security measures for pre-owned phones that were reset while a password encrypted device was in use. Or slipping your working sim card from a device you own and into a new device you purchased from the carrier in an effort to keep from getting charged the upgrade fee once the new provisioned sim becomes active and registers that it is an upgrade.
Yes, XDA does not condone illegal practice and in my strong opinion, this isn't such. I will now take this to the others for clarification and input as I'm sure it will go there without me after making this post
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Says who? I'm sure you meant to say that we DON'T condone the committing of fraud, which would then be an accurate statement.
As to the subject matter however, I have to respectfully disagree here Zel. There is no theft taking place, no exchanging of IMEI information. All this is saying is that you apply a valid IMEI to your account for VoLTE access in a device that typically wouldn't have it. This is simply circumventing the system. Just like allowing threads that talk about circumventing Googles startup security measures for pre-owned phones that were reset while a password encrypted device was in use. Or slipping your working sim card from a device you own and into a new device you purchased from the carrier in an effort to keep from getting charged the upgrade fee once the new provisioned sim becomes active and registers that it is an upgrade.
Yes, XDA does not condone illegal practice and in my strong opinion, this isn't such. I will now take this to the others for clarification and input as I'm sure it will go there without me after making this post
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But it is not a valid one that is connected to that account. As those features are meant to only work with ATT devices which ATT sales. Meaning that you are taking money from them in a sense that is stealing. You are purposly giving incorrect info (imie that will be used with the sim number) to get things you normally wouldnt unless you bought one of their devices. So i see no difference.
Our threads are a lot of grey with a bunch of double standards really.
You are right. I did mean doesnt.
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But it is not a valid one that is connected to that account. As those features are meant to only work with ATT devices which ATT sales. Meaning that you are taking money from them in a sense that is stealing. You are purposly giving incorrect info (imie that will be used with the sim number) to get things you normally wouldnt unless you bought one of their devices. So i see no difference.
Our threads are a lot of grey with a bunch of double standards really.
You are right. I did mean doesnt.
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Ah yes, the gray. ATT would obviously check the IMEI before using it. If it has been flagged as stolen, clearly they won't use it. The same if it happens after this has been applied. If it hasn't been reported as being from a stolen device though, it is assumed that the device is owned by that person and I don't see a problem with it.
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zelendel said:
Well there are 2 things about that.
1. Xda does condone committing fraud which is what you are doing. It doesnt matter if you own the other phone or not.
2. ATT also does random scans where they pull the imei from active devices to update the accounts.
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I would have to agree with Neo's thoughts. XDA absolutely does not condone fraud.
Like Neo said, there is no exchanging of imei information whatsoever. All this does is unlock a service you already pay for. It reminds me of the old school tethering apps. Therefore, nothing that is being done is illegal. It might trip something in ATTs system but there is a lot of stuff done on XDA that carriers don't like.
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Ah yes, the gray. ATT would obviously check the IMEI before using it. If it has been flagged as stolen, clearly they won't use it. The same if it happens after this has been applied. If it hasn't been reported as being from a stolen device though, it is assumed that the device is owned by that person and I don't see a problem with it.
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It doesnt matter if you own the device. Its the devicve that is being used. Which you are flat out lying about so in the text of it you are committing fraud. ATT could very well be in their rights to sue if they found out (not that they really would)
This came up recently in our core stores and 2 ideas are being batted around to fix it.
1. lock sims to imeis
2. Require imei changes on the account to be done in person with the person presenting the device to be verified.
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mark manning said:
I would have to agree with Neo's thoughts. XDA absolutely does not condone fraud.
Like Neo said, there is no exchanging of imei information whatsoever. All this does is unlock a service you already pay for. It reminds me of the old school tethering apps. Therefore, nothing that is being done is illegal. It might trip something in ATTs system but there is a lot of stuff done on XDA that carriers don't like.
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You are right I did know that fact. But as of late I am not sure about anything to do with XDA.
Thread Closed.
EDIT: As an update to this discussion, it has been found that this procedure is not illegal, and is simply either a limitation of the carrier's current system, or circumventing a carrier placed restriction (such as getting tether to work on your device without paying for a tether package). We've allowed these kinds of workarounds for years on XDA, and if ever the carrier or entitled body officially requests/demands removal of the content, we have and will oblige. XDA has always been a site for development, workarounds, exploits, mods, etc. There is an ethics element to this however, depending upon how the IMEI is obtained or by lying to the carriers.
That is all.
[Neo]