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How can I chang my G1's IMEI

I only ask this because i have an iphone that I have changed the imei numbers to all 0's, and Tmobile can not determine what phone i am using. I hate the fact that companies try to insist that they need this information. It is true that it does help with the average consumer, i am not the average. I just bought the phone new with no contract and would like to keep Tmobile from knowing things they have no right to.
I also contacted Tmobile as well as other carriers and THERE IS NO LAW IN THE US that prevents anyone from changing their IMEI numbers, it is only used for insurance purposes or deactivate your service which i believe they actually do by the sim card numbers anyway.
I am not trying to recieve cheep data or anything else, i pay for the unlimited internet (19.99) and 400 text (4.99). I only want a way to protect my privacy.

Your not going to find any help here since its against the Law in most countries.

and for that reason
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your not going to find any help here since its against the law in most countries.
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Is it possible to clone my 3G sim?

I was thinking of cloning my sim, either requesting it from my service provider (O2) or getting a device to do it for me.
After some research, it seems the network operators don't like this kind of practice, and also it's just not that simple. Newer 3G sim cards have been reported to be difficult to clone due to the Ki number being well hidden. Apparently, the user/software only has a few attempts to find the correct Ki number, after which, if the attempts are unsuccessful, the sim card becomes unusable.
Can anyone shed any light on this? I've been having trouble finding any up to-date information contrary to what I have read, which seems to have been written a while ago, and could well be (I'm hoping) out-of-date.
I saw this on the net and wondered if it would do the job
http://www.ebest24.co.uk/12in1-sim-cardusb-card-readerwriter-gsm-copier-cloner-1740.html
I've read in a few posts by some people over the past few weeks that they have multiple cards with the same phone number, or multiple numbers on one card, which is potentially what this device/software offers.
Any info will be much appreciated. I'm sure there's somebody who is more clued up than me on this subject and has hopefully been successful.
Thanks in advance!

Sorry you wont get information of the people knowing about such !
Cause this is TOTALY illegal !!!
If you try / do such stuff as geting the info from your SIM you break several Laws. AFAIK IN NEARLY ALL Countrys !

In some countries, the telco will happily provide you with multiple sim cards for the same number, but not in the UK. It's a fraud prevention policy.
Older sim cards are easily cloned if you have the correct kit, but the newer 3g sims are notoriously difficult to clone, with built in protection that kills the card if you attempt to clone it.

Thanks for the info. I suspected that maybe there could be some lawful impediment but didn't realise it was actually illegal, so apologies for requesting the info. At least now I'm in the picture, and maybe others have benefitted too.
Although if a mod would like to delete the thread on grounds of discussing illegalities, (although unbeknown at the time of starting the thread) then please free. I wouldn't have a problem with that.
Thanks again.

Neutron83 said:
Sorry you wont get information of the people knowing about such !
Cause this is TOTALY illegal !!!
If you try / do such stuff as geting the info from your SIM you break several Laws. AFAIK IN NEARLY ALL Countrys !
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Cloning a card isn't illegal. It's your SIM card and you can burn it if you want.
Using a cloned card to get two phones on the same account, however, is clearly a fraud (except if you are the owner of the cell phone company, of course)
Just like you can clone your own house's key.

me, I want a cloned card so I can have it in two phones so I don't have to keep switching the sim, which is a pain in the backside with some phones.
I can see why they wouldn't like it, but personally I'd only ever have one of the two phones switched on anyway, so it wouldn't be an issue.
Don't particular want to get banned from my network for breaking their EULA or anything so I'll leave it alone, shame though.

Yeah that is your biggest worry. If your provider see's two IMEI's registered with the same SIM serial number online at the same time, thats when the legalality of it all comes into play. They will more than likely default your contract for breach of their EULA. Just play it safe and use one SIM and swap it out.

As a Cell phone provider for multiple services i thought i would put my two cents in. I have had this brought up in my store SEVERAL times. The Official standpoint of SPRINT, Verizon, and AT&T as per their Service Reps is while it is not illegal it is HIGHLY frowned upon. If they discover you using multiple phones at the same time they will call you and ask why this is being done. If you DO NOT have a valid reason they will deactivate your account until you go to one of their locations and resolve the issue which usually results in them Locking the clone and rendering it invalid until you bull**** your way around enough to convince them that you absolutley need two sim cards.

Yes, it is illegal.
zorxd said:
Cloning a card isn't illegal. It's your SIM card and you can burn it if you want.
Using a cloned card to get two phones on the same account, however, is clearly a fraud (except if you are the owner of the cell phone company, of course)
Just like you can clone your own house's key.
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It is clearly written in your contract, that the SIM card isn't your property. Of course you buy it, can burn and crash it, but it is the provider's property.
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ashasaur said:
Yeah that is your biggest worry. If your provider see's two IMEI's registered with the same SIM serial number online at the same time, thats when the legalality of it all comes into play. They will more than likely default your contract for breach of their EULA. Just play it safe and use one SIM and swap it out.
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To track a phone through antennas, the provider uses 3 antennas. If you clone your IMEI on multiple phones, the triangulation becomes much more difficult for the operator. I have 3 HTC Diamond with the same IMEI. But now, with GPS activated, no need of this antennas to find where you are.

ashasaur said:
Yeah that is your biggest worry. If your provider see's two IMEI's registered with the same SIM serial number online at the same time, thats when the legalality of it all comes into play. They will more than likely default your contract for breach of their EULA. Just play it safe and use one SIM and swap it out.
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You could change the imei of one of the phones but that is also illegal I believe

Pantaloonie said:
but the newer 3g sims are notoriously difficult to clone, with built in protection that kills the card if you attempt to clone it.
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Lmao. This isn't a spy movie.
Sim cards don't self destruct (even at the software level) if you try to read / write to them. A sim card is just data sitting in memory banks. Newer sim cards have hashed data (which means all it takes is TIME to break the encryption, but it can easy be done if left running for a few days)
A sim card has no way of "killing" itself if you read or write to it. It's just like any other piece of memory.

SIM Unlock MyTouch (Use of foreign sim cards)

I logged in today and was surprised to see these three new threads about this already well known topic. So I'm going to try to put an end to this by merging all of the "Help me unlock my MyTouch" topics into this one thread and stickie it so that I can just move future posts directly to the trash. So be warned, any future posts regarding SIM unlocking WILL be removed!
The very first rule of the XDA-Developers forum is to search before posting.
So I figure that if this is stickied then there really isn't any excuse whatsoever.
While I'm doing all of this I want to clearify something for all of those that are interested in unlocking their MyTouch.
Currently (as of July 2010) there is no solution for unlocking your MyTouch without first acquiring the Subsidy key for your device.
There are no hardware hacks, software installations or anything like that.
You really only have four options.
Contact your carrier and request it. Most carriers have minimum requirements to be met before requesting. Check with your carrier for additional information.
Use of third party services (go ahead post your success in this thread).
Use of an overlay card. (I have not personally verified this method)
Purchase the device already unlocked.
If you have a successful result then post it in this thread and I'll update this post accordingly.
Please note that myself, other members or the XDA-Developers do not take responsiblity for failed efforts, damage to your device, money wasted or anything else that might make you upset.
Any new posts regarding anything already discussed in this topic will be subject to deletion without warning!

As stated above, I merged three three new topics and moved them to this thread.
I have tried several service and got a code that did not work. (another gave me another set and still didnt work). All had to go the the htc master database to get the code
The phone works on t-mobile but i want to use it in all countries.
And way to unlock the phone?
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My Phone locked by T-Mobile
Whats the way to unlock network ??
thanx
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Hi All,
I had used the search and found out that all the questions regrading Tmobile HTC mytouch sim unlock were refferd to pay-sites.
Is this true? did non of the forum members das an answer?
and if so, What is the most reliable site for this ?
I got a TMobile htc Mytouch 3g and I can not use it.
(I noticed that other members had said that all TMobile's MyTouch are sim free, well mine is not).
Please help.
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You could use something like a TurboSIM. It's a small film-like device that goes between the SIM card and the reader in your phone, forcing your phone to accept it. I don't know if all/any work on android/sapphire so you'd need to get a second opinion before ordering.
The only HTC Sapphires that come unlocked are the 'Google ION'/ADP2 devices, so yes you'll need to buy an unlock code. If you've been with tmo for more than 3 months phone them and say you're going out of the country, they should give you the code. If you're looking for a reputable company for unlock codes, go on eBay, that way you know the testimonials and feedback is real.

I've used SIM unlock services from ebay. Cost about $10 and was fairly painless. Had to try a few different sellers since the others couldn't find the code. HTC master key had to be used in order to get the code for mine, that's why they charged $10 instead of the usual $2-3.
Even at $10, I found it to be a lot cheaper and effective than other website prices.

xdame said:
I've used SIM unlock services from ebay. Cost about $10 and was fairly painless. Had to try a few different sellers since the others couldn't find the code. HTC master key had to be used in order to get the code for mine, that's why they charged $10 instead of the usual $2-3.
Even at $10, I found it to be a lot cheaper and effective than other website prices.
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Thanks for the info!

i use a overlay card like x-sim and its cheap and effective

blizard80 said:
i use a overlay card like x-sim and its cheap and effective
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Thanks for that input. Please also include any additional information if you have it available such as:
Product name
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and any other information that you might find helpful for the rest of the community.

just the thread i was looking for!
does 3g work if its unlocked? im thinking of giving the phone to my gf because i dont think its worth it to sell.
also, i just canceled my tmo service and its expiring at the end of this month. had tmo for almost a year. do you think theyll give me the subsidy key? and last question, is the subsidy key the imei or is that the real unlock code for it?
thanks

manooti said:
just the thread i was looking for!
does 3g work if its unlocked? im thinking of giving the phone to my gf because i dont think its worth it to sell.
also, i just canceled my tmo service and its expiring at the end of this month. had tmo for almost a year. do you think theyll give me the subsidy key? and last question, is the subsidy key the imei or is that the real unlock code for it?
thanks
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3G will probably not work for another carrier if that's what you're asking.
If you are no longer a T-Mo subscriber then they will probably not give you the key.
You submit the imei to the unlock service (carrier or whoever) and they use that to look up your devices specific unlock key. Takes anywhere from a few minutes to a few days to get it though.

thanks for the info. sucks that i cant get the code from tmo. i should of gotten it before i told them to cancel my service. ill probably just use this phone for backup or something. i dont feel like i want to part with my first android device lol

root / upgrade locks me back?
I have an HTC Magic from Rogers Canada that I got unlocked as soon as I bought it. I need it unlocked since I am living over 5000 miles away from Canada. Everything is all well and nice now, working on the local carrier 3g and all.
I have been considering rooting the phone or maybe installing an unofficial ROM for a while now, but I never ended up doing it for fear my phone might get locked back to Rogers, rendering it useless for me.
What are the risks of this actually happening? Is the phone unlock a permanent operation, or are there any.types of upgrade or root that could bring the lock back?
Thanks!

adamantivm said:
I have an HTC Magic from Rogers Canada that I got unlocked as soon as I bought it. I need it unlocked since I am living over 5000 miles away from Canada. Everything is all well and nice now, working on the local carrier 3g and all.
I have been considering rooting the phone or maybe installing an unofficial ROM for a while now, but I never ended up doing it for fear my phone might get locked back to Rogers, rendering it useless for me.
What are the risks of this actually happening? Is the phone unlock a permanent operation, or are there any.types of upgrade or root that could bring the lock back?
Thanks!
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Once you unlock the phone for other carriers it stays unlocked regardless of rom.

LOL
Anyway, There was a reason for my posting.
I ended up getting the unlock code from T-mobile and it is the exact number that I got from the unlocking service which did not work in the first place.
So I am wondering if the problem now lies in the fact that I rooted the phone and installed 3rd party rom before I unlocked the phone.
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As stated above, I merged three three new topics and moved them to this thread.
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SL said:
So I am wondering if the problem now lies in the fact that I rooted the phone and installed 3rd party rom before I unlocked the phone.
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There is no way that's the cause...

AdrianK said:
There is no way that's the cause...
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I can only agree. I don't see how that would be possible since the subsidy has nothing to do with the type of spl, radio version or rom.

the unlock code has nothing to be with rom... spl or radio only imei

blizard80 said:
the unlock code has nothing to be with rom... spl or radio only imei
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Sounds like something that I had just said.

Success!!
Website: www.unlock2go.com
Cost: $20 USD
Delivery time: instant (even on a Saturday evening at 8:30pm)
Important note: I selected "T-Mobile" as the carrier, and then MyTouch 3G as the manufacturer, NOT HTC. Not sure if this matters, but thought I'd pass along that info.
Good luck!
Edit: So far we have 2 confirmed success cases. Anyone else that uses it please post up - would be nice to confirm reliability for everyone.

Hey Thanks for the site I used them and received the code less than thirty mins

I can also confirm unlock2go.com works! for Mytouch 3g
Sent them my payment 19-08-2010 at 11:40 pm EST and got the code by 11:50 pm !!!! all I can say is wow, it now recognizes my SIM in Colombia.
Tip: I used promo code unlock30 and got $2 off (paid $18).
Help! now that the phone is unlocked I'm stuck because I've got no data plan, and I can't find the way to go to Wifi, or even make a regular call. All the guides I find assume the phone is already working, but my menu, or home keys don't do nothing I get back to the green robot screen.
Any pointers will be greatly appreciated.

droid X on sprint network?

My friend has one and is already over it, im on Sprint (with a rooted hero) is there a way to get it working on the Sprint network?
Thanks in advance for any help guys and gals..

In short, yes, you just need to know someone in sprint that will transfer the esn and the meid
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

As posted above, yes it's possible.. You'll need not "someone", but a high tier DB technician to hack the ESN into the Sprint database.
However, it's more easily said than done. From what I recall, both the CDMA carriers do ESN sweeps randomly and will boot off any ESN's they did not purchase.

Lol your friend just bought the x and is over it?
Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

The x is a grotesque brick...

Only people who don't have the phone that they are envious of slam it.
sent from Shawn Micheals...The heartbreak Kid

Garrett07 said:
The x is a grotesque brick...
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If you don't like it, then don't say anything about it. And don't come on the X boards. It's simple as that. no need to go starting stuff.

you could scan the phones memory for all esn/meid locations.. zero them out.. creating a 000000 esn. copy your current activated sprint device esn to the droid x. copy 3g profile from activted sprint device.
all done. and as long as you dont ever turn on your "donor phone" this should all be considered legal since the new law allows editing the phones software for the purpose of changing carriers.
you're welcome.

autoprime said:
you could scan the phones memory for all esn/meid locations.. zero them out.. creating a 000000 esn. copy your current activated sprint device esn to the droid x. copy 3g profile from activted sprint device.
all done. and as long as you dont ever turn on your "donor phone" this should all be considered legal since the new law allows editing the phones software for the purpose of changing carriers.
you're welcome.
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What your suggesting he do, is not only still considered "Illegal" it is also impossible on any motorola phone, unless you have the "Black Box" which is capable of making such changes without issue, and seeing as how there are only 4 of these boxes in existance, I highly doubt anyone here has it, I hope one of the admin's comes along soon and deltes this post before someone without this knowledge creates an overpriced brick.

bouchedag said:
What your suggesting he do, is not only still considered "Illegal" it is also impossible on any motorola phone, unless you have the "Black Box" which is capable of making such changes without issue, and seeing as how there are only 4 of these boxes in existance, I highly doubt anyone here has it, I hope one of the admin's comes along soon and deltes this post before someone without this knowledge creates an overpriced brick.
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show me how this is illegal after the new federal ruling from the LoC allowing jailbreaking/unlocking/rooting/editing the phones software to be used on any carrier?
and the black box myth is just that..
nothing illegal is being talked about here.. just legal and legit possible methods for using a phone on a different carrier.

autoprime said:
show me how this is illegal after the new federal ruling from the LoC allowing jailbreaking/unlocking/rooting/editing the phones software to be used on any carrier?
and the black box myth is just that..
nothing illegal is being talked about here.. just legal and legit possible methods for using a phone on a different carrier.
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"Jailbreaking, Unlocking, and Rooting" Are correct all legal, Tampering with the phones electronic serial number, and FCC ID are still quite illegal, and punishable allthough rarely enforced under federal Law, and as for the black box being a myth, why don't you hook it up, scan the locations, and do as you suggest so we can all have a good laugh at your expense, and you can admire your new expensive paperweight.

could you point me towards instructions on how to get the droidx on Sprint?

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"Jailbreaking, Unlocking, and Rooting" Are correct all legal, Tampering with the phones electronic serial number, and FCC ID are still quite illegal, and punishable allthough rarely enforced under federal Law, and as for the black box being a myth, why don't you hook it up, scan the locations, and do as you suggest so we can all have a good laugh at your expense, and you can admire your new expensive paperweight.
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number 1 its not illegal to flash to another carrier but he is right changing the fcc id is very illegal on the other hand good luck finding someone that has done this the other option is to pay for a program such as hudinisoft, or cdma ware which allows you to force a esn from another device with out a "black box" ( dont believe every thing you read on gizmodo bro lol) this all can be done from your pc Good Luck dont brick it

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number 1 its not illegal to flash to another carrier but he is right changing the fcc id is very illegal on the other hand good luck finding someone that has done this the other option is to pay for a program such as hudinisoft, or cdma ware which allows you to force a esn from another device with out a "black box" ( dont believe every thing you read on gizmodo bro lol) this all can be done from your pc Good Luck dont brick it
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Correct on all points with the exception of the "Black Box" How do I know you ask? I have a motorola Droid 1 in my desk drawer I thought I knew it all and would try, now it does nothing, went through successfully or so I thought, and soon as it shut down, it doesn't boot anymore.

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Correct on all points with the exception of the "Black Box" How do I know you ask? I have a motorola Droid 1 in my desk drawer I thought I knew it all and would try, now it does nothing, went through successfully or so I thought, and soon as it shut down, it doesn't boot anymore.
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so you did the esn force on a black box and it failed? what is the actual name of this suposed black box i woul like to research it a little
and i was thinking couldnt you do this with qpst load the phone click EFS explorer it will prompt you for a spc which is now called msl you will have to pull this off the device that you are taking the esn from (your hero) on sprint i belive its 000000 it may be 00000000 i know they use a universal msl for all devices then wait for the NVM to load then navigate to "nvm sys.esn" there may be a $ before the sys i cant remeber im not looking a qpst atm now copy that esn down and save it incase this doesnt work and you can go back to the stock esn there is an embeded tool in qpst called esn checksum calc open it and put the heros esn in there to generate the right checksum for that esn. now go to XVI32 and nav to the "nvm sys.esn" again now its going to look nuts in there but in all the numbers you will see the devices esn with a set of numbers after it those are the checksums you just generated now enter your new esn and checksum done
if you cant get it im sure there is an old qpst walthrough running around i belive there used to be one on ehow back in the day
gl
ps i take no responsiblity for your bricked device so dont send me a bill

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so you did the esn force on a black box and it failed? what is the actual name of this suposed black box i woul like to research it a little
and i was thinking couldnt you do this with qpst load the phone click EFS explorer it will prompt you for a spc which is now called msl you will have to pull this off the device that you are taking the esn from (your hero) on sprint i belive its 000000 it may be 00000000 i know they use a universal msl for all devices then wait for the NVM to load then navigate to "nvm sys.esn" there may be a $ before the sys i cant remeber im not looking a qpst atm now copy that esn down and save it incase this doesnt work and you can go back to the stock esn there is an embeded tool in qpst called esn checksum calc open it and put the heros esn in there to generate the right checksum for that esn. now go to XVI32 and nav to the "nvm sys.esn" again now its going to look nuts in there but in all the numbers you will see the devices esn with a set of numbers after it those are the checksums you just generated now enter your new esn and checksum done
if you cant get it im sure there is an old qpst walthrough running around i belive there used to be one on ehow back in the day
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ps i take no responsiblity for your bricked device so dont send me a bill
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No, did it using the full version of Workshop, and while your method is close, it's not 100% correct, and all you have to do is google Motorolla ESN "Repair" or "Change" and you'll get all the info on the "Black Box" that you need, to my knowledge through research there are only 4 or 5 of these machines in existance due to substantial cost, Moto likes to lock their stuff down

Well i haven't done these for years but as i remember that
Was a problem with the first version of motorolas like the motorola
Vader, if you flash it wrong it seems like the phone is death
But there was an original default flash version that after flashig
Make the phone work again, even when the technology grows
So fast i see that they still using the same technics as before.
As a big tip i should say that all model and brand use the same
Fabricant of "system" and is qualcomm, this way we can know
That sometimes we can make work the phone trcking them with
Psts with diferent brand becase of compatibility.
I hope this helP someone

autoprime said:
show me how this is illegal after the new federal ruling from the LoC allowing jailbreaking/unlocking/rooting/editing the phones software to be used on any carrier?
and the black box myth is just that..
nothing illegal is being talked about here.. just legal and legit possible methods for using a phone on a different carrier.
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Read the final Paragraph on this webpage.
http://www.tiaonline.org/standards/resources/esn/
"In an Order, the commission adopted a rule (22.919) requiring that all cellular telephones for which type acceptance is sought after January 1, 1995, must be designed such that the factory-set ESN can not be reprogrammed. At the same time, the commission stated that it considers any knowing use of cellular telephone with an altered ESN to be a violation of the Communications Act (Section 301) and alteration of the ESN in a cellular telephone to be assisting in such violation. The Wireless Telephone Protection Act (Public Law 105-172) was signed into law on April 24, 1998, expanding the prior law to criminalize the use, possession, manufacture or sale of cloning hardware or software."
ESN tampering is technically illegal since it falls under the basic idea of cloning or tampering of "factory-set ESN".
Although it is impossible to check if its an esn from a damaged device, and unless you walk up to a cop point it out, and he actually gives a crap. Then you could be charged a low level felony for breaking the WTPA.

sniffs said:
As posted above, yes it's possible.. You'll need not "someone", but a high tier DB technician to hack the ESN into the Sprint database.
However, it's more easily said than done. From what I recall, both the CDMA carriers do ESN sweeps randomly and will boot off any ESN's they did not purchase.
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Not really, they no longer do those kinds of checks, for him its going to be more of an issue is if the esn will show up as an evdo phone in their database.

i hate to burst everyone heres bubble. if you read the fcc regulations it is only illegal to change ESN # if your intent is fraud. if you do not intent on committing fraud. it is legal

[Q] Xperia Play (Verizon) Bad ESN to metro pcs

Hey guys im a newb and was wondering if i can flash my bad esn x play to metro pcs? I cant afford Verizon anymore so they gave me a bad esn and metro has the 40$ unlimited everything
So if you guys can help me out this is much appreciated i love this phone and don't want to give it away yet.

Just get your sim unlocked and change the APN settings
Edit: unsure if a bad esn can be fixed by unlocking.. You'll have to ask someone who deals with sim unlocks
Sent from my R800

rawrrzombie12 said:
Hey guys im a newb and was wondering if i can flash my bad esn x play to metro pcs? I cant afford Verizon anymore so they gave me a bad esn and metro has the 40$ unlimited everything
So if you guys can help me out this is much appreciated i love this phone and don't want to give it away yet.
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The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.

you would have to change ESN which is... well, quite impossible...
Send frm my Play with coustum kernals

AndroHero said:
The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.
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i didn't steal the phone i couldn't afford the plan i was one so they cut my phone off that's what i meant. i guess ill just take it and see if it will work

rawrrzombie12 said:
i didn't steal the phone i couldn't afford the plan i was one so they cut my phone off that's what i meant. i guess ill just take it and see if it will work
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The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.

Rogue Leader said:
The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.
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Doesn't mean he stole it. Could have been locked into a bad contract
Some people like myself buy them off ebay with bad esn
What happens is all these reneged accounts are lying around eligible for upgrades
some one will come in and get all the brand new phones unopened and sell them online for big profit.
It's 100% your property if you buy it from a 3rd party.
The bad ESN part is bad because then all the towers will block your phone
so you cant use 40$ pre-pay service because they are leasing the towers from big company like verizon and such

Rogue Leader said:
The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.
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You can flash any phone with a bad esn to another provider, if you have the proper software.

captain67 said:
Just get your sim unlocked and change the APN settings
Edit: unsure if a bad esn can be fixed by unlocking.. You'll have to ask someone who deals with sim unlocks
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AndroHero said:
The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.
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Blagus said:
you would have to change ESN which is... well, quite impossible...
Send frm my Play with coustum kernals
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Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. READ people. SIM card on CDMA? Why list the reason when he told you the reason out-right (can't afford it; obviously under contract)? "Impossible" to do something which is done every day? Jeeze. If you don't know the answer or what you are talking about WHY do you feel compelled to answer the man?

CZroe said:
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. READ people. SIM card on CDMA? Why list the reason when he told you the reason out-right (can't afford it; obviously under contract)? "Impossible" to do something which is done every day? Jeeze. If you don't know the answer or what you are talking about WHY do you feel compelled to answer the man?
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Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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AndroHero said:
Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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I don't know how things are done there, but actually that's technically and legally wrong here in the USA. The phone is rebated and paid for at the time the contract is signed. The SERVICE CONTRACT is the only remaining obligation. The contract comes with terms and stipulations stating that they will require payment of an ETF (Early Termination Fee) if he does not carry the contract to full term and that they will ban the ESN if he does not pay that. It does not state that the phone remains or reverts to being their property.
For consumer protections reasons, there are other "outs" in the contract and you are not required to send the phone back because it is YOURS nor are you required to pay ETFs. For example, the FCC does not want local monopolies to keep you living in an area they serve just because you have a contract with a provider there that doesn't exist elsewhere. For example, if I wanted to move to North Dakota and there was no Sprint coverage in the town I was moving to, I can move there and keep my phone and end my contract and legally dodge the ETF. If I ever activate it with that provider again, they can require me to resume my contract.
Simple.

CZroe said:
I don't know how things are done there, but actually that's technically and legally wrong here in the USA. The phone is rebated at the time the contract is signed. The SERVICE CONTRACT is the only remaining obligation. The contract comes with terms and stipulations stating that they will require payment of an ETF (Early Termination Fee) if he does not carry the contract to full term and that they will ban the ESN if he does not pay that. It does not state that the phone remains or reverts to being their property.
For consumer protections reasons, there are other "outs" in the contract and you are not required to send the phone back because it is YOURS. For example, the FCC does not want local monopolies to keep you living in an area they server just because you have a contract with a provider there that doesn't exist elsewhere. For example, if I wanted to move to North Dakota and there was no Sprint coverage in the town I was moving to, I can move there and keep my phone and end my contract and legally dodge the ETF. If I ever activate it with that provider again, they can require me to resume my contract.
Simple.
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Hooray America! (another example of an it is you can suspend/cancel your contact without an ETF if you getting deployed overseas (military))
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Flipping through the thread and damn some people are f ing unbelievable. Your really going to call the guys phone stolen because he couldnt pay the bill? Are you kidding me? Pretty sure the 250 dollar early termination fee that will be tacked on to a final bill will pretty much cover the cost of the phone.. Its amazing how people can be so argumentative for no reason. The guy had a simple question, he didnt ask for a moral judgement. The answer to your question is YES you can have it flashed to metro.

AndroHero said:
Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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Why did you even waste energy and burn a single calorie to type on this thread if you weren't going to contribute to the question asked. I'm sick of arse holes that want to play phone police on an internet forum. You don't know if he paid his termination fee or made conditions with Verizon. Personally I think its none of your business or any body else. So the point of the matter is Metro hooks up a lot of phones from other carriers such as Verizon legally in the US. Trust me America being the forefront of lawsuits would have sued the breaks off of Metro PCS if it wasn't. Do not post if you don't have anything intelectual or contributing please.

R800x Carrier Pigeon - Got any change?
Before I get into the nitty gritty, yes, ive seached the forum. yes ive seached the google. yes, afaik im using the right software (cdma-w, qpst, QXDM, even that dfs cdma tool).
The Xperia Play (R800x - Verizon) is an amazing phone first of all. If only it could make calls...
Here is the problem im having: I can write min, nam, PRL, etc, most NV items to the phone just fine. but when i try to repair the esn/meid i get back an error which, though slightly different depending on the software, amounts to a statement that the value is read-only or failed to write. I have some past success with this sort of thing on other platforms (Moto Razr for ex.)but im at a loss here, and ready to accept any help offered. I read somewhere that an unlocked BL is req. but that doesnt make sense to me.
Also ive noticed that the older version of cdmaw (2.7) doesn't seem to read or write meid values, only esn, from what ive read, its like frank sinatra said, you cant have one without the other.
So my questions: has anyone else run into this problem? Is it related to the bootloader or ROM in any way? Suggestions etc Please and Thank you
Yes im a n00b. yes im ok with that. there is always some1 who knows more about something than I do. Teach me to fish so i can share my fish

freddycheeba said:
Before I get into the nitty gritty, yes, ive seached the forum. yes ive seached the google. (btw, the flash-to-MetroPCS page seems to have vanished from the internets..)yes, afaik im using the right software (cdma-w, qpst, QXDM, even that dfs cdma tool).
The Xperia Play (R800x - V3r1$0N) is an amazing phone first of all. If only it could make calls...
With every intention of avoiding starting a legal debate, here is the problem im having: I can write min, nam, PRL, etc, most NV items to the phone just fine. but when i try to .repair. the 3$n or M31D i get back an error which, though slightly different depending on the software, amounts to a statement that the value is read-only or failed to write. i may have some past success with this sort of thing on other platforms (Moto Razr for ex.)-allegedly, and im by no means stumped or ready to give up, but im ready to accept any help offered. I read somewhere that an unlocked BL is req. but that doesnt make sense to me.
Also ive noticed that the older version of cdmaw (2.7) which may or may not be available from the common sources, doesn't seem to read or write m31d values, only 3$n, from what ive read, its like frank sinatra said, you cant have one without the other.
So my questions: has anyone else run into this problem? Is it related to the bootloader or ROM in any way? Suggestions etc Please and Thank you
Yes im a n00b. yes im ok with that. there is always some1 who knows more about something than I do. Teach me to fish
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Couple things:
1. "hacker speak" like saying 3$n and m31D is tremendously annoying. I have no idea why you felt the need to do that. Actual intelligent humans like you will find here think you sound like an idiot when you type like that. Speak English, its what we speak.
2. I don't believe anyone has successfully done with this phone what you're trying to do AFAIK. There are people who can unlock the bootloader for you, but I agree I doubt that would help, but hey who knows.
3. That said, you threw gas on the fire even mentioning legal issues. I'm not gonna make any assumptions about why you have a bad ESN phone a I don't know where you got it, but as you can see its a touchy subject here. Mainly because carriers don't just blacklist ESNs for no reason or on a whim.
Anyway whatever your reasons, good luck, I don't know that you will find an answer here, but maybe someone who does know can help you.

Touchy subject
My Esn is clear, but i already have service with another cdma provider- one who has very limited choices as far as phones go. I have no intention of trying to rip off my carrier for my data use or anything like that, i just want to make calls on my current network, using my R800x.
I wrote 3$n because some places will delete your post or even ban you just for mentioning the word, which is silly since all we're trying to do is exchange some theoretical knowledge.
Anyway thanks for your response RogueLeader.

freddycheeba said:
My Esn is clear, but i already have service with another cdma provider- one who has very limited choices as far as phones go. I have no intention of trying to rip off my carrier for my data use or anything like that, i just want to make calls on my current network, using my R800x.
I wrote 3$n because some places will delete your post or even ban you just for mentioning the word, which is silly since all we're trying to do is exchange some theoretical knowledge.
Anyway thanks for your response RogueLeader.
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So your carrier just plain won't accept your Xperia Play's ESN, so you're trying to swap on one from another phone? Good plan, but like I said it seems like something thats not likely possible (or hey maybe it is and just no one's done it yet). I'd be interested to hear if this works out. Also pretty ridiculous if its true that they just won't take it, but then again Verizon won't accept non Verizon cdma phones as far as I know, but we expect them to suck.
As for this place its pretty heavily monitored, so if your post goes somewhere they don't want, it doesn't matter what words you use they will delete it for you ..

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Bad esn for whatever reason, it's still a bad esn. Metro does have the power and tools to flash SOME phones to their network. BUT a lot of these phones will not be fully functional, whether it's the internet or mms, etc. but here's the thing, we here are not metro pcs, we are consumers, ask metro, if they don't have an answer we will more than likely not have one either.
you will just piss some people off with your poor search and investigative skills.
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