Do the apps that were installed stock, (ie slacker) on the phone, ever get updated through the market, or do you have to wait for a firmware update like froyo.
Or do you install the app form the market, overwrite stock, so you cna receive updates? Just curious.
Thanks.
I'm not sure. I don't use many of the stock apps. But several people have recommended dumping the stock apps and installing the market versions.
See the stickie for how to root then get rid of bloatware.
Ive done that already, this was just a general question.
Im actually having an issue removing the stock visual voicemail app. it will not be moved or deleted. and when installing from the market, it tells me that it is not properly signed.
GameOver69 said:
Do the apps that were installed stock, (ie slacker) on the phone, ever get updated through the market, or do you have to wait for a firmware update like froyo.
Or do you install the app form the market, overwrite stock, so you cna receive updates? Just curious.
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Some of the preinstalled apps are just ordinary Market apps installed as part of some unholy marketing alliance among the carrier and the app providers. Examples of these include Slacker, Amazon MP3, etc. (Why did T-Mobile disable FM Radio? Because that helps drive users who want to hear any kind of music into these marketing partners' hands. But I digress.)
To answer your specific question, Slacker updates will download OTA just like any other Market app updates. IIRC, mine already did.
Other preinstalled utility apps, such as Samsung's TouchWiz interface or its brain-dead replacement for the stock Google Contacts app, are probably handled differently. I think they would have to be pushed out in on OTA firmware update.
And features embedded in the actual Android operating system will need a Google update such as Froyo.
You cannot remove pre-installed apps, but you can "overwrite" them per say by downloading it via the market.
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If I root my samsung fascinate... am I able to continuously update to the newer version of Android? Or does it require additional assistance from the good people of XDA? thank you in advance
Most likely will either not accept update or will lose root upon update.
That's what happened last time.
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so if new updates from google android comes out, even if I root the phone i can't just go and download the new version?
If all you do is install apparently that require root access, you should be fine. You'll just lose root access, and have to re-root afterward. If, however, you remove factory apps like Bing, or do any other OS modifications like the lag fix, there's a much bigger chance that the official updates will either fail, or cause problems. In that case, you either need to revert to stock before updating, or rely on xda developers to roll out customized versions of the updates that you can apply with your modifications in place.
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So, the "official update" from say verizon will not work as well if I remove all the bloat ware... however, a rooted phone will be able to take in updates from Google ANdroid...like 2.3 or 3.3 etc... with no issues?
Perhaps to clarify a little further, I wish to purchase the Fascinate and root it. In the future, as new Android versions come out, I would rather take the official Android versions by Google instead of the updates by Verizon. Much like the Tmobile G1, is this possible once rooted?
I understand this is rather a long post so I appreciate all the help. Thank you.
There are no Google updates vs. OEM updates released through the carriers. All updates are carrier-released, regardless of the source (OEM OR Google), and are model-specific, largely due to OEM OS customizations and differing hardware. The only phones that get pure Google updates OTA (somebody correct me if I'm wrong) are the ones that are released with a 100% stock Android ROM from the factory.
The only OTA updates you will get for the Fascinate will be from Verizon, and will require a stock ROM, and most likely will need all original apps in place. If you want the pure Google updates, you will need to install a custom ROM with those updates.
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Oh, and just to clarify, if you install a custom ROM that gives you pure stock Android, you will have to rely on the developer of that ROM to release updated versions that include the latest updates from Google. There are no OTA updates for custom ROMs, as they are not supported by Google, your carrier, or the phone manufacturer.
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The only phone that truly gets untouched virgin updates would be the Nexus One, and even then the drivers are added by HTC.
The Moto Droid I guess would be the next one to also, but its been so long since I used a purely stock version that I remember if Moto adds apps at Verizon's request.
All carriers request what features/bloatware to install/not install. They send said requests to OEM, which turns around and incorporates the requests, and adds their custom branding/widgets/etc to send back to the carrier for testing. The carrier then has its own internal testing to verify requests and make sure no new prevalent bugs pop up. No one at Verizon (or any carrier really) actually does any coding of any kind.
What the OEM's receive from Google may be what you consider a "pure ROM" with "hooks" built in so that the various OEM's can add their custom homescreen, bloatware, brand specific widgets, etc. But, with the source being released most likely what happens is that this job now falls upon the OEM's themselves to write in their own "hooks", as Google just pumps out strictly OS generic builds into the ASOP.
In which case, either Sammy or Moto or whoever pulls that and fixes whatever issues, or they have internal builds going (which is more likely) that they tinker with to fix issues.
I believe Moto does this as evidenced by the lettering of the builds. Seems like they go through builds nightly when they are working on an update for a phone. I wouldn't be surprised if Sammy was the same way.
Sorry to make this post so long. Hope this helps.
So, a phone has to be "rooted" to allow full control over the phone. In this mode, I am allowed to make changes to the phone such as downloading ROMS that imitates the basic stock version of say the Froyo 2.2 In the future if a new version arrives, I can expect the upgrade from either Verizon (which I will have to unroot) or hope that the good people of XDA find ways to put new version of the Android in to my already rooted phone.
So, if I have a android phone and if the hardware is popular enough, people will continue finding ways to put new Android versions on the rooted phones through ROM. I hope I am understanding this matter correctly...
If that is the case, I now will go search in the threads for a way to root the Fascinate and find a ROM that lets me have the stock version of Android. I am very satisfied with the great people on this thread and I am very thankful for your responses and patience. Thank you very much.
Yes. You've got it down for the most part. If you root there are methods to unroot that will allow you to download the ota update. But with any luck the devs will get the froyo build long before it gets officially released and will be properly rooted by then.
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Hello,
It's been a while since I have played around with rooting and tinkering with my Evo 4G.
Right now I have it rooted and a few apps like ROM Manager, SuperUser and such installed. I'm currently running 2.2.
I would like to get updated with the newest rooted stock OS. I need this phone to work and would also like to maintain stability and improve battery life.
I found the details at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790427 as how to 'After rooting, how do I install a ROM?'
Which ROM is recommended to keep as close to as stock while still giving me root capabilities and apps?
Is there a version I should avoid do to age / hardware of phone?
I was thinking of this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1319881
or from this list:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/ROMs#Stock_ROMs
#8, the OTA version.
Any suggestions or comments on either, others, my process?
Thanks.
Does it have to be a stock rom? If not, i suggest MikG or evolved recharged.
They're both pretty good roms
maxarbos said:
Hello,
It's been a while since I have played around with rooting and tinkering with my Evo 4G.
Right now I have it rooted and a few apps like ROM Manager, SuperUser and such installed. I'm currently running 2.2.
I would like to get updated with the newest rooted stock OS. I need this phone to work and would also like to maintain stability and improve battery life.
I found the details at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=790427 as how to 'After rooting, how do I install a ROM?'
Which ROM is recommended to keep as close to as stock while still giving me root capabilities and apps?
Is there a version I should avoid do to age / hardware of phone?
I was thinking of this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1319881
or from this list:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/ROMs#Stock_ROMs
#8, the OTA version.
Any suggestions or comments on either, others, my process?
Thanks.
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You're all good with hardware and such, just pick which ever rooted stock rom you like,wipe,flash and reboot.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/HTC_Supersonic/ROMs
Here's a list of some ROMs you could try out. Look under Custom ROMs.
Just make sure you have a backup of your current ROM just in case.
thanks for the replys.
Just so i have this right..
I am going to choose OTA-#8 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/ROMs#Stock_ROMs
This looks like the newest stock rooted ROM, correct?
I have everything backed up and see the docs, but have one last quesiton:
How do I restore all my contacts, apps, configs, etc once I do this?
I rooted and did this when I got the phone and built on top of it, but from the description of the backups, it's backing up the entire config of the phone (like an image). I would imagine that I dont try to reinstall all my apps from that one, right?
Thanks.
maxarbos said:
thanks for the replys.
Just so i have this right..
I am going to choose OTA-#8 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic/ROMs#Stock_ROMs
This looks like the newest stock rooted ROM, correct?
I have everything backed up and see the docs, but have one last quesiton:
How do I restore all my contacts, apps, configs, etc once I do this?
I rooted and did this when I got the phone and built on top of it, but from the description of the backups, it's backing up the entire config of the phone (like an image). I would imagine that I dont try to reinstall all my apps from that one, right?
Thanks.
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According to that URL, OTA Update #11 is the newest OTA available. Before you switch back to stock though you should check out these ROMs by -TeamBlaze-.
Hi, the reason i ask is because when i sideload apps from my n7 to my xperia play, they install fine. When i try to do it to my brothers phone (its not the best of phones tbh) it always says app not installed.
So i just wondered what the reason could be? And could this be overcome by rooting and manually installing it?
Thanks
Not yet. Android Jelly Bean 4.2 will though. Read about it on google.
I mean check hardware specs ect, not the actual app for malware
I know this is a bit off topic.. But some apps will soon be verified by your device id. This is the same id that google wallet uses. It will make it so when you but a app on one device you can NOT install it on another.Ti Backup already has a built in way to help with this during back up restore.
The above is only from what i have read and is likely not totally true as its not implemented yet so who really knows .
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Hi, the reason i ask is because when i sideload apps from my n7 to my xperia play, they install fine. When i try to do it to my brothers phone (its not the best of phones tbh) it always says app not installed.
So i just wondered what the reason could be? And could this be overcome by rooting and manually installing it?
Thanks
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It's because the phone is not compatible with what you are trying to install (either in hardware or minimum Android OS version).
Is the app you are trying to install offered to the phone on the official Google marketplace? If not, then there is a reason why.....
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It's because the phone is not compatible with what you are trying to install (either in hardware or minimum Android OS version).
Is the app you are trying to install offered to the phone on the official Google marketplace? If not, then there is a reason why.....
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Nope, its not offered, but sometimes they can work when not offered.
I was just wondering if that was simply the reason, or if the apps generally cant install on a phone without specific specs, i.e android version X or multitouch
Thanks for the answer
i forgot about this.. I have used aptoide to side load a few apps that i know work on nexus 7 but in the play store show not compatible..This is not meant to Pirate apps.. I used this to install a messenger app that would not install and a few games that i have purchased...
So the long story short is that I rooted my phone right when it came out, on the old firmware. This means my phone is 'unofficial' and won't accept ota updates. I've tried all the guides and advise on posts to make it official but Nothing worked. Oh well. I really just wanted to update to mf3 strictly for the mail app which now has push.
Anyone have a copy of the stock app. Can I just replace the apk on my phone or something?
Timelinex said:
So the long story short is that I rooted my phone right when it came out, on the old firmware. This means my phone is 'unofficial' and won't accept ota updates. I've tried all the guides and advise on posts to make it official but Nothing worked. Oh well. I really just wanted to update to mf3 strictly for the mail app which now has push.
Anyone have a copy of the stock app. Can I just replace the apk on my phone or something?
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If you have an older firmware version such as MDB or MDL, you should thank your lucky stars. You do NOT want MF3! If you update to MF3 then you will loose the ability to install custom ROMs (except for using tricks like SafeStrap) because the bootloader in MF3 is locked down tight.
If you are currently on MDB or MDL, I recommend that you install a custom ROM immediately to ensure that you don't automatically get updated to MF3. Assuming that you have an AT7T i337 ...
If you don't yet have a custom recovery installed, you can use CASUAL to install one easily:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2297900
Once your custom recovery is installed, then you can install this ROM to get a significantly improved version of MF3. Install the older version 2.5 for now for full functionality, since version 3.0 is a "preview" release of Android 4.3. This will update all your apps to the MF3 versions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280556
Good luck.
Thanks for the advice,
While I love playing around with the phone and customizing as much as possible, I refuse to use custom roms. At the end of the day I don't want to compromise reliability at all. All the custom roms are cool, but there's a reason they usually get nightly updates (bugs).
I don't have to worry about my phone auto updating.... I edited that one system file that disables the update system.
I really like the way my phone e is now, so I don't want to 'flash' it and have to reload and re customize everything... My wife has mf3 and looks like the only improvement is the mail app. Hence why I'm looking for a plug and play solution
Timelinex said:
Thanks for the advice,
While I love playing around with the phone and customizing as much as possible, I refuse to use custom roms. At the end of the day I don't want to compromise reliability at all. All the custom roms are cool, but there's a reason they usually get nightly updates (bugs).
I don't have to worry about my phone auto updating.... I edited that one system file that disables the update system.
I really like the way my phone e is now, so I don't want to 'flash' it and have to reload and re customize everything... My wife has mf3 and looks like the only improvement is the mail app. Hence why I'm looking for a plug and play solution
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2507529
Go here download the new 4.4 kit Kat email app which in my opinion looks great and better. I also think the 4.3 email app looks great also.
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Well I just installed the kitkat mail app and unfortunately it doesn't have push! That'd the reason I needed to updated my mail up. So back to looking into Joe to get the mf3 mail app on my phone
which mail are you using that push isn't an option? the stock mail app on MDL can receive push email... its likely your mail provider doesn't support it.
Gmail....
My wife's mf3 has settings for push, mine only has the 'check every X minutes' in the settings
Timelinex said:
While I love playing around with the phone and customizing as much as possible, I refuse to use custom roms. At the end of the day I don't want to compromise reliability at all. All the custom roms are cool, but there's a reason they usually get nightly updates (bugs).
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The MDOB rom is not like that. Ver 2.5 is based on the stock MF3 firmware and stock kernel. You would not be compromising reliability by using that rom. It is stable and does not need frequent updates. You'd be getting all the features and benefits of MF3 without the Samsung and AT&T bloat and restrictions.
Here's the, to my knowledge, stock SecEmail_J.apk and SecExchange.apk pulled from my MF3 device. Their permissions are rw-r--r-- by the way. Not sure if they are what your looking for... but I figured I'd toss them up anyway just in case.
http://d-h.st/mL2
Can I just replace mine with those or not that easy?
Timelinex said:
Can I just replace mine with those or not that easy?
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It depends, it probably wouldn't harm your device assuming your rooted and have a means of replacing system apps. Use Root Browser, or something like it to backup your existing APK's in /system/apps/ and copy these ones over and overwrite. Worse that may happen is your lose app access until you restore yours.
why not use the gmail app?
Russ77 said:
why not use the gmail app?
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Not all my emails are Gmail and I don't want to have to use multiple apps
Well I just tried overwriting mine and it didnt work. After a restart, the icon appears for the new app but when I click on it it just hangs on a white screen and then says the program has stopped. I'm guessing that the '.odex' files for the apps have something to do with this. Anyone have any idea what I could do to get this working?
Do I need the .odex files from you as well?
So actually, I just deletedt he .odex files and restarted. The program works now. HOWEVER, its very strange. I do not see any difference between this new one and my old one!
The icon on this one is different, which is strange considering the icon on my wifes is the asme as my old one. The program version is '4.2' which is the same as my wifes. However when I go to settings for my wifes and setting on my 'new' one, my new one is the same as my old one and my wifes is a completely different layout!
One last thing... I realized that even my old email and exchange files are the same version number as the newest. Whats the deal here? It is a different file that controls the email and email settings?
Got my new phone today.
It had the most recent update ready and I installed.
I know there has been several updates recently. Would all the prior updates have already be installed on the phone or do I need to get them from somewhere.
If I recall I have to load the essential camera app from the play store
THanks for your help
If your phone says no more updates are available then everything is current.
You ca't get the Google camera app from the Play Store, you'll need to download it from the camera thread in this same section and install it yourself.
OK thanks.
balane said:
If your phone says no more updates are available then everything is current.
You ca't get the Google camera app from the Play Store, you'll need to download it from the camera thread in this same section and install it yourself.
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the stock essential camera app version is 0.1.078. If you dont have this version then you should get an update notification soon from the app store, as well as de the essential resourses app and another essential app.