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It seems there's not enought AMOLED for everyone, so I guess the developer version of the Nexus One that is going to be sold soon will use this lcd?? Here's the press release:
HTC Introduces SLCD Display Technology To Its Portfolio
New Displays to be integrated into HTC Desire and Nexus One
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology.
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Source: Engadget
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
HighTech216 said:
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
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I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just posting news. 0_o
maybe samsung just doesn't want to sell any to HTC.. is SLCD "comparable" to AMLCD or whatever used by iphone4..
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
i'm wondering whether the new screen uses a better digitizer for multi touch? a multi touch Vis test would be good on a Super LCD nexus one.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
stats101 said:
what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
khaytsus said:
The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
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If the SLCD is way better under sunlight I hope GoOgLe will give us the choice to replace the screen,this with better battery life will be exellent
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
ChronoReverse said:
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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Has anyone heard word on whether the touch sensor is getting updated as well?
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
Yea I'm curious how this will affect existing users. Sounds like they are trying to use cheaper screens to deepen their pockets, but I'm all for it if the quality is better or on par of our existing screens.... especially if it fixes the multitouch bugs.
if someone got a replacement Nexus One with Super LCD, then could you please test multi touch with MultiTouch Vis Test? thanks
petard said:
Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
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Yeah, sadly there are many people which don't see this problem and therefore it seems like this cheap approach is paying off for the manufacturers. Even the Touch Diamond 2 had a far better WVGA Display (LCD).
I also had an motorola milestone (droid) testdevice and the screen on the milestone just kills the n1 screen. I can literally read the text on fully zoomed out webpages on the milestone, while on the n1 i can't see the text clearly at all.
The problem is: People who never witnessed a better WVGA screen will be happy as the AMOLED Pentile screens are at least better then old HVGA screens. But anybody who got to experience WVGA on an LCD without Pentile Matrix garbage will know that the difference ist huge.
So would HTC potentially replace existing n1's displays with the SLCD if they are under warranty.
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Lcd and digitizer are separate pieces of hardware, you won't be seeing it upgraded.
What is wrong with your guys that everything turns into a flame fest over something like a display???
Can't you read? The "marketing/promotional" release stated it is better. Therefore, it must be true
i would like to know how SLCD is more efficient battery power. did they mean more efficient over traditional LCD, or more efficient over AMOLED? i'm assuming over LCD.
i know the pentile problems and all, but i honestly still dont mind it. i've seen the EVO and droid and how crisp they look, but it just isnt a huge difference for me. i like the over saturate colors of amoled!
"The Korean company’s yet to be launched AH-IPS display for mobile devices, just received the prestigious Quality & Performance Mark from Intertek – a global testing and certification company. What’s particularly important about this award for LG, is that it has been achieved by comparing its display with no other but Samsung Galaxy SII’s Super AMOLED screen."---gsmarena blog
Are you excited about this ?? Do you believe its going to beat Samsung's SUPER AMOLED HD.
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"The Korean company’s yet to be launched AH-IPS display for mobile devices, just received the prestigious Quality & Performance Mark from Intertek – a global testing and certification company. What’s particularly important about this award for LG, is that it has been achieved by comparing its display with no other but Samsung Galaxy SII’s Super AMOLED screen."---gsmarena blog
Are you excited about this ?? Do you believe its going to beat Samsung's SUPER AMOLED HD.
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they are saying an IPS display beats an advanced AMOLED display
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Yes, Im very excited about this but we would only see this on LG's phones or on the Iphone5.. I do hope its gonna beat Samsung's SAMOLED HD!
If there is anything which can outplay S-AMOLED Plus then I will be greatly happy. Don't wanna stick with Samsung frankly as I don't like them at all.
(I am not a fan boy of any brand btw)
Regards.
But you don't know how the SUPER AMOLED PLUS HD is going to look like, only time can tell you.
Even though AMOLED+ has gorgeous colours and blacks are jet black, OLED has a lot low life span compared to lcd, and the burn-in can be a problem, you just have to avoid static images, the status bar can be a problem, i have see pictures of the time burned into the screen.
No LCD will beat OLED technology and IPS is just LCD. Don't believe that.
varunkumars said:
But you don't know how the SUPER AMOLED PLUS HD is going to look like, only time can tell you.
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I perfectly know what to expect with Super AMOLED Plus HD, its gonna have the same inherit issue as what the non HD counter part has, thought not all screen will be defective but pretty sure it will be at a higher rate than the non HD.
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lgs-yet-to...assing-samsung-galaxy-siis-super-amoled-unit/
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color accuracy and power consumption
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which shouldn't be surprising at all. Everyone knows that SAMOLED is often oversaturated and burns power when showing whites.
Meanwhile super amoleds (as well as other OLEDs) still outclass LCDs in contrast, viewing angles, response times, color gamut, black levels, and thickness. SAMOLED is still better, and will always be.
You people are missing one point here LG's AH IPS display is a HD screen, whereas s2's amoled screen is not. THe award was won by LG because they were the first to launch HD display, now samsung has its own amoled hd display. So there should be direct comparison between 2 HD screens and not with s2's amoled+
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http://blog.gsmarena.com/lgs-yet-to...assing-samsung-galaxy-siis-super-amoled-unit/
The article states that the award pertains to which shouldn't be surprising at all. Everyone knows that SAMOLED is often oversaturated and burns power when showing whites.
Meanwhile super amoleds (as well as other OLEDs) still outclass LCDs in contrast, viewing angles, response times, color gamut, black levels, and thickness. SAMOLED is still better, and will always be.
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That's pretty old, meanwhile LG Nitro has incorporated that HD screen and a battery of 1830mAh.
Has anybody seen the battery life of that thing ? It's a piece of crap even if LG stated that it's more economical than the SA+
http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-nitro-hd-completed-our-battery-trial-here-are-the-results-video/
I have heard report that the Evo 4G Lte doesnt have the same display like the HTC One X. Instead of the SLCD 2,The Evo 4G Lte is using the IPS display with a 1280 x 720p HD resolution. So is The IPS display better or not?
Can you link your source?
SLCD2 is an IPS display and heres where hes pulling it from..
http://androidcommunity.com/htc-evo-4g-lte-hands-on-20120508/
There are some differences between IPS and SLCD2 if you want to get really technical but the fact here is the One X and the Evo 4G LTE have the same screens.
Don't be alarmed, as he ^ said, they are practically the same thing. In any case, here is a comparison of the two pulled from http://techlogg.com/2010/12/ips-vs-amoled-vs-slcd-smartphone-displays-explained/1877 that should dampen any doubt on the quality of an IPS screen:
SLCD – Super liquid-crystal display
LCD has been the mainstay for display panels from PDAs to notebooks to TVs over the last 15 years or so. What makes Super LCD so super is said to be improved light bleeding so that blacks actually look a bit more like black than they typically used to, giving better overall contrast. In comparisions with AMOLED, some reviews suggest that SLCD gives warmer colours than AMOLED. However, battery life appears to be worse with SLCD displays.
SLCD shouldn’t be confused with S-LCD, which is the name for the Samsung/Sony joint venture for manufacturing LCD panels.
Smartphone maker HTC began using SLCD panels in its Desire smartphones in August 2010 due to shortages in AMOLED panels from Samsung. If you have an early Desire, it’ll more likely have an AMOLED panel whereas those manufactured after August 2010 will have an SLCD panel instead.
IPS – In-plane switching
Apart from poor contrast ratios, the other issue with LCD panels is poor viewing angles. The further you move of the centre axis of an LCD panel, the worse the image becomes until you begin to see the reflected negative of that display. In-plane switching is a more expensive solution to the viewing angle problem by changing the direction in which the liquid crystal molecules move. So instead of the normal right-angle or perpendicular switching, IPS panels switch molecules in the same plane as the panel. It means light transmitted through the molecules can be seen at (almost) any angle.
IPS technology is most often used in LCD monitors – and usually at prices three times the going rate. It’s the technology behind Apple’s Retina display in the iPhone 4.
Sounds to me like IPS is a major upgrade from SLCD.
Not real thrilled about the battery life comment though...
http://www.mobileburn.com/19548/new...ed-displays-last-longer-thats-why-we-use-them
Samsung announced its new Galaxy S III smartphone to great fanfare last week, though some observers weren't terribly happy with one particular feature: the 4.8-inch 720p Super AMOLED display uses a PenTile(INFO) subpixel layout instead of the generally more favorable RGB(INFO) layout. At CTIA 2012, we spoke to Samsung about its choice to use PenTile layouts in a large number of its displays, and the answer really comes down to durability and longevity.
Ever since the original Galaxy S in 2010, Samsung has used AMOLED(INFO) (usually branded as Super AMOLED or Super AMOLED Plus) displays in many of its high-end smartphones, and many consumers are big fans of them. AMOLED screens have tremendous contrast, very saturated and vibrant colors, and extremely wide viewing angles. Devices that feature AMOLED displays have a certain 'wow' factor when you first look at them, and many users appreciate that, even if the displays don't provide the most accurate color reproduction. Samsung says that it fully believes AMOLED displays are the best for its mobile devices, and that's why it uses them time and again.
However AMOLED isn't without its faults. Displays that use AMOLED technology have a tendency to deteriorate over time. One doesn't have to look back that far to remember the problems Google had with the original Nexus One smartphone, which featured an AMOLED screen. There were numerous reports of screen deterioration after only a few months of use, and in some cases the display was rendered unusable (HTC, the maker of the Nexus One, eventually switched to using Super LCD displays in later versions of the phone, though it cited supply constraints as the reason for the switch).
Samsung's Philip Berne explained to me that the blue subpixels on AMOLED displays actually degrade the fastest - quicker than the red or green subpixels. With a PenTile layout, the subpixels are arranged RGBG (red, green, blue, green), so they feature more green subpixels and fewer red or blue subpixels than an RGB stripe layout with the same resolution. Because of this, AMOLED displays that have the PenTile layout tend to have a longer lifespan than those with RGB layouts. Since Samsung is selling its phones to users that usually keep them for 18 months or longer, it has to be sure that the display will still offer peak performance at that time. According to the company, PenTile AMOLED displays have proven to be more reliable than those with RGB layouts.
Those that have issues with the PenTile arrangement usually complain that the screen does not look as crisp as an RGB display or that there is odd color fringing along the edges of images, such as app icons. While Berne did agree that the PenTile arrangement's faults are pronounced at lower resolutions, such as qHD or WVGA, high-resolution displays hide the problems due to the sheer density of pixels. The Galaxy S III and the Galaxy Note, for example, both feature high-resolution Super AMOLED displays with PenTile subpixel arrangements (the Galaxy S III has a 1280 x 720 pixel screen, while the Note has a 1280 x 800 pixel display). Under a microscope, one can see the pixel layout on these displays, but in real-world use, it is not visible to the vast majority of users. To that point, the Galaxy S II, which had a lower-resolution WVGA (800 x 480 pixel) display, featured an RGB layout for its subpixels.
Today's choice to use PenTile in its high-end Super AMOLED displays doesn't mean that Samsung isn't working on or won't develop future AMOLED displays that use the RGB pixel layout, provided it can maintain reliability across the board. In fact, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 tablet features a 7.7-inch Super AMOLED Plus display with 1280 x 800 pixels and an RGB pixel layout, though that screen is obviously larger than what we see on smartphones, thereby making any PenTile-related issues more noticeable.
Is the PenTile subpixel layout something that should be a concern for prospective buyers of the new Galaxy S III? We really don't think so, and in our hands-on time with the device, we really could not see any issues with the screen. Trust me, I tried. Berne did point out that the 4.8-inch display on the Galaxy S III is improved over the 4.65-inch 720p Super AMOLED screen used on the Google Galaxy Nexus, as it features smaller gaps in its subpixel matrix, further minimizing the fringing effects of the PenTile layout.
Some reviewers and users may disagree, and contend that "once you see the PenTile, you can't unsee it," but we really think that the average smartphone buyer (the people that Samsung is actually selling the phone to) will never be the wiser. Additionally, as smartphones get higher and higher density displays, the argument over PenTile and RGB subpixel layouts will become less and less relevant. Are we going to be discussing this matter when smartphones with 1080p displays, perhaps some with PenTile subpixel layouts, come out in the next year or so? We really doubt it.
i wont believe that unless it comes straight from a Samsung press release article
I would say this is a make over from samsung, simply the technology is not ready for mass production hence the pentile.
Samsung owns SLCD ,so why does samsung not use SLCD on their phones? why is htc the only company(that i know of) using SLCD screens?
( i don't mind amoled screens, just wondering why they don't use it)
AMOLEDs are in general more battery efficient, thinner (from what I know), has better contrast ratios etc. It's still somewhat work in progress, but still I'd bet on it replacing LCDs in foreseeable future.
And SLCD is owned by both Samsung and Sony right? Not just Samsung?
tuxonhtc said:
AMOLEDs are in general more battery efficient, thinner (from what I know), has better contrast ratios etc. It's still somewhat work in progress, but still I'd bet on it replacing LCDs in foreseeable future.
And SLCD is owned by both Samsung and Sony right? Not just Samsung?
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thanks for your reply, i think OLED is the future not amoled(not the pentile matrix thing). Samsung bought sonys share in SLCD, so samsung owns the whole company.
Pentile will be sticking with Samsung for some time, I think they will keep using this technology for flexible screens until they come up with qLED or something brand new in my opinion.
1. They own the IP and they put in lot of R&D to improve the technology
2. Amoled diodes are organic so the colours tend to die faster than LCD. With pentile, it increases the longevity while increasing battery life (2 big things Samsung focuses on)
With the new improved S4 screen, it really closed the gap.
Trollololol said:
thanks for your reply, i think OLED is the future not amoled(not the pentile matrix thing). Samsung bought sonys share in SLCD, so samsung owns the whole company.
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AMOLED is a subset of OLED, like SLCD is of LCD. I agree, not a big fan of pentile. But sRGB AMOLED is still not viable to be manufactured in full HD, I mean they have to make this thing affordable for masses afterall.
Are you sure about Samsung buying the entire SLCD though? Wiki seems to suggest otherwise?
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AMOLED is a subset of OLED, like SLCD is of LCD. I agree, not a big fan of pentile. But sRGB AMOLED is still not viable to be manufactured in full HD, I mean they have to make this thing affordable for masses afterall.
Are you sure about Samsung buying the entire SLCD though? Wiki seems to suggest otherwise?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16330877
Actually amoleds consume more power compared to LCDs (when kept at same brightnes) ,that is one of the reasons why Amoleds are less bright than LCDs.
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Actually amoleds consume more power compared to LCDs (when kept at same brightnes) ,that is one of the reasons why Amoleds are less bright than LCDs.
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Really? I thought Amoled consumes less because they don't have a constant backlight like LCD. More picture dependent.