Anyone from this area know when we might be getting it?
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lol, we don't even get acceptable 3G in northern indy. According to a poster here (via Sprint), we will be getting a tower in Carmel, one in Westfield later this year.
When I bought mine the lady said she didn't expect 4g until probably next summer for us but that was just her guess. My 3g sucks as well down here around the beech grove/greenwood area.
I can second the 3G sucking in northern indianapolis...very very slow
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The people at Sero told me 4th quarter 2010. This was just before the Evo was released.
I was getting around 250 - 600 kbps on the old radio.
I just updated the radio to the latest and now im getting around 700 - 2300 kbps in castleton area.
Its not super but its better then when I just bought the phone.
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lol, we don't even get acceptable 3G in northern indy. According to a poster here (via Sprint), we will be getting a tower in Carmel, one in Westfield later this year.
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That was me that posted that. The sprint rep I talked to said one tower at the end of august (carmel) and one in december (westfield). I will say that I am buying a house in Broadripple and I get great speeds theres, anywhere from 1.1 mbps to 1.5 mbps
Indy isn't listed anywhere on Sprint's 2010 projected WiMax expansion, I would estimate Q2 2011 at the earliest. I just moved from Indy (BRip) to Denver (NW) and my areas are comparable for 3G speeds (1-1.75MB)
4g Indianapolis
Ok this is what I have heard and if anyone knows differently please do tell. Last month I talked to sprint when I was changing my plan and I asked about 4g. The rep told me that they were currently working on 4g in Indy and that it should be up and running by the end of 2010. she said that they would push notifications to customers when it went live. So I thought this was just hot air and I asked an IT guy at work if he knew anything because my company relies heavily on sprint. he said that the airport was to have 4g working by the end of Oct. A coworker with an Evo was in a sprint store several days ago and he said there were out of state technicians there working and when he struck up a conversation they told him they were working on the 4g connections by the airport, downtown Indy, Carmel and Fishers area which coincides with new tower locations on sprints website map for new towers in Indy. Has anyone heard anything? I mean it would only make since since all the big shing dings that come here.
I was just in the airport last week and didn't get 4g at all.
i get 1.3 Mb/600Kb in delphi indiana and surrounding areas, but the closer i get to a bigger city such as lafayette/west lafayette that speed is 1/3 to 1/2 of what i get in delphi.
i always thought this was strange.
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I was just in the airport last week and didn't get 4g at all.
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Maybe they are running behind....hopefully it will be here by Christmas....Dear Santa.....
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i get 1.3 Mb/600Kb in delphi indiana and surrounding areas, but the closer i get to a bigger city such as lafayette/west lafayette that speed is 1/3 to 1/2 of what i get in delphi.
i always thought this was strange.
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Yea I noticed that depending on my location in the city it will go anywhere from 700kb to 1.3.
I work right next to the airport and I can vouch that there is no 4g yet. I scan for a signal just about everyday. Maybe some day.
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I work right next to the airport and I can vouch that there is no 4g yet. I scan for a signal just about everyday. Maybe some day.
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Maybe they will just drop it all on us at once. I saw an app once and I cant remember the name but it runs in the background and it periodically checks for 4g, 3g and wifi hotspots. It will then show you on a layered map what signals are where but its dependent on people letting it run on their phones. Does anyone know the name for this?
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Maybe they will just drop it all on us at once. I saw an app once and I cant remember the name but it runs in the background and it periodically checks for 4g, 3g and wifi hotspots. It will then show you on a layered map what signals are where but its dependent on people letting it run on their phones. Does anyone know the name for this?
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Would that be Sensorly Map Viewer?
You'll see 4g signals in testing for quite awhile before it is officially announced. This has been consistent for all market launches thus far...
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Would that be Sensorly Map Viewer?
You'll see 4g signals in testing for quite awhile before it is officially announced. This has been consistent for all market launches thus far...
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Yes thats the app. I went to their website and you can see where its at in other places....Its crazy..Indiana looks so barren
My area was barren too, so I've been collecting/uploading data for a couple weeks now.
It's really cool to see your data processed and on the map very quickly.
The app is a huge battery hog...
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I lived there a couple years.
Trust me, it is called "Naptown", there won't be 4g until every other city gets it.
Ok so did anyone have trouble last week with texting or any data services? Did you contact sprint to find out why? Word from Sprint is that it was part of 4g implementation.....should be up and running within the next moth.
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Anybody have any more specific information when 4g is dropping for Minneapolis?
I grazed across an online article that mentioned August 2010. I can't find it buried in my browser history and I'm not quite sure where they got the month from to begin with, so don't hold me to it and take it with a grain of salt. The general consensus is that it should be dropping IN 2010 though.
I've heard it's starting to pop up, but can't confirm, and when I leave 4G on in the Downtown area, all I get is disappointment and a dead battery. Doesn't help, but keeping my eye out.
I have heard at worst by end of 2010, and at best fall 2010. Here is hoping its fall 2010, also if anybody has gotten 4G in mpls let us know and where!
I have heard rumors of Brooklyn Park being a test area for the 4G roll out. I have yet to verify tho.
Anyone know?
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Live in Coon Rapids, work at the airport, I haven't picked up a signal anywhere inbetween
Why MPLS? Why not Saint Paul? We're the state capitol! Damn you Sprint!
througAugust. Directly from sprint rep.
There was a test i heard. It happened at the sprint store last week on launch day. Don't quote me on that. But the guy at sprint told me in august for sure. They got an email from corporate last Thursday. I asked them specifically because I didn't want to get the phone if 4g wasn't on the horizon.
a buddy of mine works for Sprint in corporate sales. The last he heard it was "by the time the leaves change".
There is (or at least was, I haven't checked myself) a 4g tower on the Holiday Inn in DT Mpls. He said they were testing the signal for about a mile radius around the hotel. If anyone checks it out let us know!
I will confirm this in a couple of hours will be right next to that building.
I have heard that it's starting now (including that tower in downtown MSP) and will be done by fall from a tower engineer on the project.
Cool, that's sooner than I thought. I guessed it would be around November / December.
FWIW, I got my Evo on launch day at the Minnetonka corporate store. I was told both September and summer. Also, the guy at the phone kiosk at SAMS in St Louis Park said July or August. I think no one knows for sure. I'm hoping for July.
I can confirm 4g in Minneapolis at south second st and south second ave near bobby and steves... the upload is at 1.3 and the download is at 3.87 megs it makes the qik app actually work.
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I can confirm 4g in Minneapolis at south second st and south second ave near bobby and steves... the upload is at 1.3 and the download is at 3.87 megs it makes the qik app actually work.
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please tell me your not lying???
Gotta know!
I'm going to check this out today. I will be on my bike and will see in about two hours.
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Nope not lying... I kept hearing rumors about people getting a 4g signal in minneapolis... and rumors about ther being a 4g repeater on top of a holiday inn. So i kept my 4g on while going through minneapolis by bobby and steves and BAM 4G! Enjoy if you get to go by that area!
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Nope not lying... I kept hearing rumors about people getting a 4g signal in minneapolis... and rumors about ther being a 4g repeater on top of a holiday inn. So i kept my 4g on while going through minneapolis by bobby and steves and BAM 4G! Enjoy if you get to go by that area!
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One more confirmation for good measure. Almost couldn't believe it. I drove around the U area and had pretty good signal - strongest right outside of Carlson. My download peak was around 4 with a lower average and upload peak was about 1.5. I just hope when they say "Minneapolis" that they really mean downtown and the surrounding 'burbs (EP, pref. ).
Yeah I would assume they'd mean the whole 694 494 loop but who knows
I also live in Minneapolis area, and heard July-august for 4g.
Noticed in the strip district, downtown and north side today that 4G is on in Pittsburgh. Was pulling 3.5-4 down, 1 up. Still limited deployment in the city but they must be getting ready for the full rollout.
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Noticed in the strip district, downtown and north side today that 4G is on in Pittsburgh. Was pulling 3.5-4 down, 1 up. Still limited deployment in the city but they must be getting ready for the full rollout.
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NICE...i wonder how far north when 4g is fully deployed that it will work. I really doubt it will reach all the way up to the Wexford or Cranberry
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NICE...i wonder how far north when 4g is fully deployed that it will work. I really doubt it will reach all the way up to the Wexford or Cranberry
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I also heard rumors of 4g on in Monroeville... so suburbs on major roadways hopefully will get 4g. The farthest north that I noticed 4g active on 279 was the Hazlett/Venture exit.
I live just outside of the city in Sharpsburg and I have 4g turned on now and not getting any signal.
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I live just outside of the city in Sharpsburg and I have 4g turned on now and not getting any signal.
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unfortunately its probably too far away.
my brother had 4 bars today in downtown and couldnt connect
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unfortunately its probably too far away.
my brother had 4 bars today in downtown and couldnt connect
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cool im gonna try it tomorrow when im in town. Hopefully this means they will be rolling out 4g very soon
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cool im gonna try it tomorrow when im in town. Hopefully this means they will be rolling out 4g very soon
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I tried the 4g while driving through the city this morning and no go. I guess it was only on Saturday for testing. Will keep watching the 4g icon though.
4g was definitely on last week in Monroeville. Hopefully it will make its way around town including the South Hills!
While driving through downtown around 5pm, I was able to pick up 4G. However, it could never finish connecting. It would say scanning, connecting, authenticating, obtaining IP address, then flash something very quickly (perhaps "disconnected") before starting the cycle over. Not sure if it's an issue with my phone or just issues with the 4G since they're obviously still testing it.
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While driving through downtown around 5pm, I was able to pick up 4G. However, it could never finish connecting. It would say scanning, connecting, authenticating, obtaining IP address, then flash something very quickly (perhaps "disconnected") before starting the cycle over. Not sure if it's an issue with my phone or just issues with the 4G since they're obviously still testing it.
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I'm getting the same here. It keeps finding a signal, but can't do anything with it. In any case, it's exciting.
Really exciting but doubt I will see it here weirton,wc we usually get what Pittsburgh gets but in this case think we will be too far
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I live out in Elizabeth, hopefully it will reach out here.
I'm still getting the no connect but I can find 4g signal all over Pittsburgh
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I don't know people. I'm out here in Turtle Creek, basically in a stones throw from Monroeville Mall and I'm not even picking up a 4g signal at all. Is there anyone out here who can confirm a signal?
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I don't know people. I'm out here in Turtle Creek, basically in a stones throw from Monroeville Mall and I'm not even picking up a 4g signal at all. Is there anyone out here who can confirm a signal?
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I have not been able to connect to 4g downtown since Saturday. Was probably only on for testing. Though I do get signal alerts when driving through the city. I'll be giving it another try this weekend to see if the 4g is back on downtown. No idea about monroeville or turtle creek.
just in monroeville today for dinner. the duck pond there was signal. by the bmw dealer, by the mall, by target, on the parkway from penn hills exit to the monroeville exits(turnpike). i couldnt connect at all. my phone is rooted and been flashed many times so i thought my 4g was broke but my 2 kids and wife have the evo (UNTOUCHED) and they couldnt connect either so it must be not ready yet. heres to hoping it gets better tomorrow. lol
oh and forgot was in turtle creek today for kids dentist appointment and right by the citizens bank my phone picked up signal but couldnt connect
Good info guys. Well lets hope turn the switch on everywhere in August.
Sounds good, I wizards at BestBuy today by the mall, but didn't think to try. Well 2morrows a new day!
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I spoke to a Sprint rep yesterday. She said that the appearance of the signal was a side effect of them testing the market, but she couldn't find anything on an anticipated rollout date yet. So she recommended to keep the 4G radio off for the time being, and to check back every now and again and watch the websites to see when it would be officially deployed. I was hoping it'd be deployed near this Froyo rollout, but apparently it's not to be.
By the Monroeville Mall again today, and i actually did pick up the 4 g signal. But like earlier stated it would connect to Sprint and then kick me out and start over. Good sign people, good sign!
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T-Mobile announced more cities now with HSPA+ during the myTouch release. Here's the list of cities:
With its latest expansion, T-Mobile’s HSPA+ footprint now includes Biloxi and Gulfport, Miss.; Denver, Colo.; Huntsville, Ala.; Knoxville, Tenn.; Myrtle Beach, S.C.; Norfolk, Va.; Omaha, Neb.; Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz.; Salt Lake City, Utah; San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland and Sacramento, Calif.; and West Palm Beach, Fla. T-Mobile expects to reach 100 major metropolitan areas and 200 million people in 2010.
Source: Tmonews.
Personally, the fact that San Jose is getting is best news ever as I get my phone tomorrow. Hopefully T-Mo expands more, bringing the love to more people around this part of town. Chicago gets all the love all the time!
Nice!
I was told by a rep that it wasn't comin in my area till November but this is really good news.
Thanks for the post...
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T-Mobile announced more cities now with HSPA+ during the myTouch release. Here's the list of cities:
With its latest expansion, T-Mobile’s HSPA+ footprint now includes Biloxi and Gulfport, Miss.; Denver, Colo.; Huntsville, Ala.; Knoxville, Tenn.; Myrtle Beach, S.C.; Norfolk, Va.; Omaha, Neb.; Phoenix and Tucson, Ariz.; Salt Lake City, Utah; San Francisco, San Jose, Oakland and Sacramento, Calif.; and West Palm Beach, Fla. T-Mobile expects to reach 100 major metropolitan areas and 200 million people in 2010.
Source: Tmonews.
Personally, the fact that San Jose is getting is best news ever as I get my phone tomorrow. Hopefully T-Mo expands more, bringing the love to more people around this part of town. Chicago gets all the love all the time!
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Sacramento, Calif.
Can't wait!
no where on tmonews does it say these things maybe I looked it over can you provide a link?
SO these cities mentioned are HSPA+ live right now ?
Huntsville, AL \o/
We deserve it more than any other city in the state
Yes, Huntsville is the place to be in AL.
Too bad I live just outside of Huntsville where I only get edge. I look forward to having faster podcast downloads on the way to work though, once we get HSPA+.
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Yes, Huntsville is the place to be in AL.
Too bad I live just outside of Huntsville where I only get edge. I look forward to having faster podcast downloads on the way to work though, once we get HSPA+.
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Definitely. Awesome city although I was admittedly hesitant to move to the hick-state initially. Great place to be in the tech business. Hopefully Google brings that lovely fiber here...
I actually am in Hazel Green so only get edge and 3G in certain parts, but most of my phone-using day is in Huntsville area. 3G leaked from Huntsville out to Hazel Green rather quickly and I hope it does the same with HSPA+... Actually, the first day I saw 3G symbol ever was within Hazel Green limits on my way to work with my new G1 one day...
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It was the same post as their myTouch HD launch. TMo announced it, see if you can confirm it by reading a press release perhaps.
It's not updated at TMo's official website, but it should be here pretty soon.
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Definitely. Awesome city although I was admittedly hesitant to move to the hick-state initially. Great place to be in the tech business. Hopefully Google brings that lovely fiber here...
I actually am in Hazel Green so only get edge and 3G in certain parts, but most of my phone-using day is in Huntsville area. 3G leaked from Huntsville out to Hazel Green rather quickly and I hope it does the same with HSPA+... Actually, the first day I saw 3G symbol ever was within Hazel Green limits on my way to work with my new G1 one day...
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Couldnt agree more with the fiber comment, this town(Huntsville) could definitely use it, especially considering the massive growth its experiencing right now.
Ive noticed the HSPA+ for about a week now, I used to get intermittant HSPA connections on my myTouch slide a few weeks back, but nothing solid, however in the last week I had nothing but HSPA connection no matter where I was at, including the freakin psuedo-bunker I work in, which I had problems even getting Edge in before.
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Couldnt agree more with the fiber comment, this town(Huntsville) could definitely use it, especially considering the massive growth its experiencing right now.
Ive noticed the HSPA+ for about a week now, I used to get intermittant HSPA connections on my myTouch slide a few weeks back, but nothing solid, however in the last week I had nothing but HSPA connection no matter where I was at, including the freakin psuedo-bunker I work in, which I had problems even getting Edge in before.
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Wow, a lot of people here from the area.
Could definitely use the fiber boost. It's an extremely tech/research-oriented city. I understand the places where the work is being done already have commercial connections, but... just give me the fiber!
If you don't already know, we have the same icon for 3G/HSPA/HSPA+ (the 'H') so it will be hard to tell what network you're really on.
about damn time they do Phoenix and Tucson at the same time!!!!!!
Man, I cannot wait. Did a random speed test yesterday and got about 7.6Mbps down on 3G.
Yes! Finally San Jose and San Fransisco
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about damn time they do Phoenix and Tucson at the same time!!!!!!
Man, I cannot wait. Did a random speed test yesterday and got about 7.6Mbps down on 3G.
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Phoenix area has been announced for some time now actually. They have been setting up HSPA+ speeds around my are for the last month now. My N1 has been basicly maxed out at 5-7mbps around my area ^_^
Now I am going to wait tell December to decide on what HSPA+ phone I want =D
Spoke too soon. Still stuck on HSDPA here in Salt Lake City. Guess I still have to wait till November...
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Anyone else from South FL (Tri-County Area (Palm beach.Broward/Miami Dade))?
If Miami, Ft lauderdale and West Palm are getting HSPA+, does that mean the less-major cities between them are as well?
Like Deerfield, Boca, Delray, Pompano, etc since they are between these three cities
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Now I am going to wait tell December to decide on what HSPA+ phone I want =D
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Trust me, you want the G2. The MyTouch is not only ugly, but it has a stupid name. ;-)
(Oh, and FWIW, the G2 is a VERY nice phone!)
Come to Chicago dammit! I want faster speeds
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Spoke too soon. Still stuck on HSDPA here in Salt Lake City. Guess I still have to wait till November...
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I went to the Tmobile store in fort union to play with the G2. The phone had some settings messed up so I couldn't access all the internet, but i could open google's home page and do a basic search. It was MUCH fast than my N1.
Norfolk in the house! I went to the Tmobile store on the 30th, when I received my phone, and the reps were surprised at two things:
I had the phone before them and the fact that the H was showing up in my device.
They concluded that the towers were upgraded, but they were just waiting to "flip the switch".
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Im seeing pockets of 4G popping up all over Louisiana on clears website. Anybody getting it on their phones? It looks like slidell, hammond, B.R., lake charles are all lit up in green. Anybody?
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Amazing! Good catch. I just checked last week and and there was nothing.
Haven't been in any of those areas to give it a try and just flashed CM thinking we would never get 4G...go figure.
New Iberia before metro NO? Weird. I guess I am going to have to go back to rooted stock soon and be on the lookout!
I'm very tempted to go slidell to see whats up? It looks like clear is adding places everyday. I'm always in the walmart at [email protected]
I think I am gonig to nandroid back and see if I can get anything in harahan. Doubt it but looks like they are flipping it on quickly. Will report back if I can get anything here.
Anyone tried this in any of those spots? I'm in Metairie, but it would be nice to know that at least places near me are getting 4g.
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Anyone tried this in any of those spots? I'm in Metairie, but it would be nice to know that at least places near me are getting 4g.
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Best buy on vets is selling a bunch of laptops with wimax included so it may be here soon.
Ill be in slidell on Saturday, so I will see then.
Ha, I'll have to check it out on my way to Dibbz! Maybe one of the employees knows something we don't.
Works in lake charles. Max 5 down 1 up. Not much coverage with one tower. I don't expect to see any added anytime soon
I have been waiting for this for a LONG time I'm in Metairie BTW
I had my wife check in Lake Charles - says 4G is working
didn't expect it to come to LA for a couple of years
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Does Lake Charles even have sprint 3G? The last time i was there in the summer i could barely get 3G. New Orleans better be next.
It does but experiencing the same issue as others with slow data 200-300kbps down , voice echo on some calls.
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Does Lake Charles even have sprint 3G? The last time i was there in the summer i could barely get 3G. New Orleans better be next.
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Yes Lake Charles has 3G and according to the coverage area - Fort Polk/Leesville has 4G -- all before New Orleans.
Never saw that coming
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I would think it would take less time to setup 4g in leesville than in new orleans. Clears getting the smaller cities out the way first.
Swyped from my evo 4g using the xda app.
Anything in Covington? Or Madisonville area?
Lake Charles
Lake Charles got 3g January 27 2011, don't know about 4g. After waiting for years for 3g you would think they would just upgrade the system to 4g this late in the game.
Lake Charles does not have 3g yet. and every time i call i'm told it will be the end of the month since i got my evo when they came out. 4g would be nice but i live in moss bluff just north of lake Charles and work in Sulphur just west of it. Luckily sprint did not put me on a contract like they were supposed to when i got my evo so im just waiting for a better phone with a network that is in my area.
Got 3g in Lake Charles 1/27/11 absolutely positive without a doubt. Now 4g I don't know
4G in new orleans finally!
I try all the time. Living in metairie and working in old metairie I don't get it. For the 1st time yesterday in new orleans I connected on St Charles in between Julia and Girod as well at our condo on julia & baronne 2 blocks away. So could everyone around me with evo's and the samsung one. It worked great!
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The clear 4g map shows 4g alive in new orleans. Its mostly downtown but thats a start.
So get this AT&T turns on 4G at MCO (orlando international) but they can't turn it on for Orlando itself... come on att
http://www.localwireless.com/wap/ne...4646&cid=17148&scid=2442&ith=0&title=Business
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Hurray for me, I work at the airport!
Link for those not using their phones at the time - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-oia-4g-towers-20110331,0,748379.story
I'm waiting for this too..... let's GO already, Orlandonians!!!
I'm going to orlando at the end of april, can't wait to try it out!
I'm with you guys they need to turn it on in Orlando, especially by ucf
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Seems, even by what is stated in the Orlando Sentinel article, that the network was put into place just to "fill gaps" in the coverage as it was pretty pathetic before. I was just there on April 1st, and I wasn't seeing any difference there than I do at my house over closer to downtown. However, it is nice that they decided to build it out to support the capability...when our phones can actually use it is another story altogether.
I've got an Atrix and I get around 3Mbs down and around 300k up both at home and at the airport.
From what I've read, it seems that a phone update will be required to turn it on anyway...but if ATT can be believed, we might get to see it this month sometime.
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I'm with you guys they need to turn it on in Orlando, especially by ucf
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i-drive is going to get it first
then downtown may be
florida mall might be after
ucf can only wait
Can anyone link to a deployment schedule/map for AT&T 4G ?
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Can anyone link to a deployment schedule/map for AT&T 4G ?
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That unfortunately doesn't exist. We can only hope to get it soon. I had one of the att reps back in december tell me that my signal had gone from good to absolute crap because orlando was a test market for 4G so one can only hope that a simple flip of the imaginary switch will give us 4G aka 3G+
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I went to disneyworld two weeks ago, and the internet was sloooow there. Compared ot the 4.5mbps I get at home i gt like 1.2
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I went to disneyworld two weeks ago, and the internet was sloooow there. Compared ot the 4.5mbps I get at home i gt like 1.2
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There's signal issues at disney I think there might be some issue with att putting up towers on property. Similar to how the airport used to be but att pays MCO a decent amount to have put up the towers up
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I don't know about you, but is anyone else a little surprised by how many Central Floridians there are posting in this thread? That means.... using an Atrix and knowing a thing or two about making it better! Pretty cool, I guess none of you "feel safe enough" or "like Orlando" enough to list your location on the profile to display with each post though! haha
I have orlando listed in my info, have since day one of joining this sight.....
And in regards to a 4G coverage map they dont realy exist.... I work for AT&T and do customer service in the call center by UCF and there is no info in regards to when the update will be released for the Atrix/Inspire .... Or what the coverage looks like
All I know when I check are network coverage tool and look at the towers in the downtown orlando area none of time are listed as HSPA..... They are all still reporting UMTS only, and there is no info about the backhaul or updates to the towers that I have checked...
Sitting in MCO as I post this. Have worked here for the last 4 years and will say that they have made vast improvements on the tower infrastructure here. Used to be that you would get no reception out at the 1-60 gates end of the airport. That's all fixed. Of course still getting the typical 3mbs down .3 up here so will see when ATT lets the update go. I sure it is a simple update that won't require me to go though what I did with the last. Not that the last was hard, just a pain....