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Cupcake = 1.5
Donut = 2.0
Apparently if Rosie aka HTC Sense is going to be released OFFICIALLY to Dream and Magic, its gonna be the Donut update (2.0)? can anyone confirm?
I found this comment on youtube regarding Hayrukos Hero/Rosie rom
If you buy an HTC Magic it is very likely (though not impossible) that you will never get the 'Rosie' skin. Rosie was developed by HTC to enhance the look and feel of Android like they do with WinMo. You will certainly get the update to succeed Cupcake (1.5) for Android which is known as Donut (2.0) This is because the update is to underlying software, not the look. Hope that makes sense!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiU3v_VLmcY
HTC Sense is only being released on HTC-branded HTC phones, not Google-branded HTC phones. That means for example it will go out to HTC Magic phones but not T-Mobile MyTouch phones (which run the same hardware but are branded and supported differently).
HTC Sense is a replacement launcher/UI for Cupcake. Donut is a completely new build of Android. In otherwords, installing HTC Sense would be like putting a paint job on a car while installing Donut would be like installing a new engine and powertrain. In other words, they are completely different things.
besides.... donut was never a build, neither was cupcake.....
Android 1.5 is just that, android 1.5. Android 2.0 will be 2.0. Cupcake is a development branch where developers can upload their contribution outside of the read-only main branch. What you see right now in cupcake will (probably) be in android 2.0, and 2.3, and 2.7, and 3.0, and so on. Cupcake, as google said, is very much a work in progress. I'm not sure where donut comes in, I think it's cupcake's unstable branch, so things that have yet to be tested have to go through donut first, and then if they're approved, they'll be moved to cupcake, and then whenever google feels like it, they'll import whatever they want into the main branch (which nobody but google can write to, but everybody can download the source and build their own flavor of android off of it).
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besides, HTC had already said they'd try to bring sense (pun intended) to their existing android phones, though they won't be doing it to google branded ones. That means, though, probably a rosie port to dream, but only adp version, which shouldn't be much problem to port over, right guys
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/06/25/htcs-sense-ui-not-coming-to-any-google-branded-phones/
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actually, i don't know because i'm not in canada, but isn't roger's dream NOT a google phone? it's easy to find out, if it says "with GOOGLE" on the back, it's a google phone, if it doesn't then it's not. That means that roger's might get sense, then we can port it
That would be awesome, as I own an ADP
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That would be awesome, as I own an ADP
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You don't need to own an ADP phone to run these... Just an ADP based ROM
Rosie on a non rooted g1 would be amazing
a stable rosie with no bugs and fast speed would b amazing.
let me correct myself, posted very late at night after work, according to whackypedia, though android is open source, all development goes on under a private development branch. for the parts that are being privately developed, cupcake was created to show the world what is being worked on, but this is read-only. donut is the open contribution branch, where google's android team will usually find worthy projects and then import them to their main branch.
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That means, though, probably a rosie port to dream, but only adp version, which shouldn't be much problem to port over, right guys
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If im not mistaken ADP1 is a "with google" phone. Regardless of whether it is or isn't, my intuition is that Rosie is a product that will only be pushed out to HTC's own marketed-for-consumers phones, so I doubt it will be released for ADP1. Only phones that are sold under their HTC original names (e.g. Dream, Magic, Hero) should receive Sense.
jubeh: The Rogers Dream is NOT a "with GOOGLE" phone because it has Microsoft's Exchange support and for the record it dose not have "with GOOGLE" on the back cover not like that would really matter since its just cosmetic and you can change the back cover.
so if i scratch off "with google" on the back of my phone ill b able to get the update OTA right? (lololol joke, don't take this seriously and start flaming)
you're missing the point :facepalm:, but yeah, thanks for confirming rogers is not a google phone
If you have a rooted phone then you shouldn't even care if your phone is "with Google" or not. The rooted devices don't receive OTA updates at all. Updating has to be done manually on these phones. Just install the modded rom when it becomes available. However, if you have a non-rooted "with Google", you will never get HTC Sense without rooting it first.
alright cool thanks for clarifying guys.
I'm awaiting arrival of an unbranded HTC Legend tomorrow or Wednesday. Now I have set up the Hero just as I want it with gmail, imap.....the apps I want etc.
What's the best way of migrating from Hero to Legend?
It's not rooted and it's got stock ROM. Rooting it and doing backup of everything isn't an option, since I can't root the Legend yet anyway.
Anyone have any info on an update? Did some google searches but didn't find anything.
My IT dept says Verizon is going to start to push the next update, 3.0 in the next week. They say it fixes the calander sync issues and mail not syncing until you open the mail app.
I really hope this is true as the phone is unreliable right now.
Do you have any info if that update is connected to an update to Android 2.3... ? Things are looking like 2.3 is definitely coming for the Droid Pro but question just remains to when it will be out... I am hoping that this might be the moment!
I am 99.9% sure this is not an update to android, its just a motoblur update. So sorry, no gingerbread. I came from an HTC Aria on AT&T. I had Gingerbread on that. Its not really as awesome of an upgrade as Eclair to Froyo was. In fact other than the animation when you turned the phone off I really didn't notice any difference.
Yea I am not too bothered about the changes for the OS itself.. I just hope it includes a new Baseband version cuz in the moment, the 3G performance is nothing to write home about, as I am based in the UK... Other than that, when the Motorola PRO will finally hit our shores, there should hopefully be a Verizon-free ROM available somewhere with an EU baseband version.
I used XDA Forums for quite awhile for my Samsung Epix, updating that to WinMo 6.5, etc, etc.
I wanted an Android Phone since the G1 first came out, but not having a REAL cell plan (using GoPhone forever, just switched 2 mo ago to the new T-Mobile 4G Monthly), I had to wait for prices to drop (I'm also VERY cheap).
Well, 2 weeks ago, I found a G1 on eBay for $30 (I was the ONLY bidder..Works PERFECT, one minor crack on 'chin'), and got my phone. It is a Bronze (hate the 'lighted keyboard'), ran 1.6, and had a 'bulged' battery, but would hold a charge for a whole 15-20 min, as long as I didn't make a call...lol
So, I hopped on the forums here, and read. And read, then I decided to read some more. Decisions, decisions, decisions... First, I followed the Cyangenmod 6.1 guide, and put that on there. Nice. But a little..Slow? Laggy? It worked OK, but just wasn't right. So I looked at more ROMs. I looked at ICS, Ginger, but settled on Froyo, because I needed stable, and fast, because this is my 'main' phone.
Since I run Linux almost exclusively at home, ADB, and so forth, were not an issue, and the file system on the phone made sense to me. I finally chose the Froyo by Lazlo ROM, and ezterry's kernel, and flashed them. Boy, I am one happy little Droid now. Snappy, fast (once I partitioned my sdcard correctly, and went to ext4 and actually turned on the swap...lol). I also use Google Voice/GTalk a ton at home (I said I was CHEAP), so found Talkatone, which works just right for wifi calls when I run out of the 100 minutes on my Prepaid plan.
So, within 3 days I had a Froyo, wifi-calling, Android running little phone.That battery life I could measure in seconds. So, off to Amazon, and bought one of those extended-2400 mAh batteries and back covers. What a difference! HOURS of use! Days, even!
So, for around $50 (including shipping for phone, and cost of new battery), and about 2 hours of actual "work", I have a Froyo G1, that I'm VERY happy with!
Thank you, Google, HTC, XDA-Developers, Lazlo, ezterry, and whoever made the battery.
For an 'old' phone, it sure does work great!
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marketplace alternative?
have the current froyo by lazlo on my G1, but when trying to add talkatone the marketplace (Now Google Play?) says this is not compatible with my htc dream.
Any suggestions or workarounds? thanks!
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have the current froyo by lazlo on my G1, but when trying to add talkatone the marketplace (Now Google Play?) says this is not compatible with my htc dream.
Any suggestions or workarounds? thanks!
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Same, tried looknig it up on the play store on my phone, it wasn't shown on there. lol. Groove IP doesn't have good quality for some reason.
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Talkatone is in the market, just doesn't show up since these phones are really only supposed to allow 1.6... Just went looking for the apk and suprised to find it available on Talkatone's website. Works great, came here to post, and had a message from the OP - Thanks. pretty slick old phnne for $10! I downloaded the "side loading" version from w w w.talkatone.com/android-side-apk.html (sorry not allowed links ) Must have "allow installing" checkbox checked.
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I stuck with Froyo By Laszlo (FBL) for quite awhile, and then have been "experimenting" with different ROMS.
So far, most of the GB roms (for me, at least) seem to be either too laggy, or have random reboots, lockups, or memory is HORRIBLE. At least, having my 'giant' battery makes battery life a moot point, so I don't figure that into whether I 'like' a ROM or not.
So far, it seems a tie between FBL and ezTerry's "Official AOSP 2.2 OTA" as far as stability/speed is concerned. The first time I used the AOSP rom, it had some 'odd' behaviors, but when I retried it, it may have been a 'bad' download.
AOSP does a better job with moving all programs, data, and caches over to the SDCard, too, so the apps have more 'memory' to play in.
I'll update this thread as I learn more, and my thoughts and 'concerns' with the ROMs I try out.
Happy Modding!
Hey all,
Even though I've pretty much a big lurker here for a while, especially the last year. I've finally upgraded to the GS3 today, so my Heroc is finally, after just about 3 years, retired.
I wanted to thank everyone throughout the years that made this device so great. I won't name individuals, there are too many and I know I'll forget someone. You all are the best! Thanks for keeping this device so great for so long! Your roms and other resources have truly been a delight.
And to my Hero, you are my hero. I've never had a phone I've been so attached to. You've stuck through the rooting, roms, and other nonsense I've put you through, getting dropped, squished, and other tortures, and never dropped a call, died at the wrong time, or missed a message. Well done, true and faithful servant, well done.:crying:
Carl
Congrats on the GS3. Very nice device. I was giving it a serious look-over, but the screen feels just too big for me. Even though the Evo 4G LTE is not much smaller, it's enough that it I find it "just right." I'm planning to switch over to it soon.
However...
I wasn't very courageous with my HTC Hero. I had it rooted for over a year before finally taking the chance and loading a ROM onto it. I kept reading up on the different ones available, knowing I could always go back to stock if I didn't like it. But I felt paranoid that I might screw it up. And my first time flashing a new ROM, I almost did... fortunately it all worked out. I'm zipping along on CM7.2 now.
It took me a full weekend of searching around to find the apps and widgets that appealed to me, giving enough functionality to match or surpass what I'd had before. I missed the sleek integrated feel of HTC Sense, but... there are fine substitutes to be had if you look hard enough. I've customized my Hero now to the point where I'm regretting that I didn't do this sooner. It's a really great phone with CM7. But there's no beating around the fact that the processor is anemic compared to what is out there now. You can't play memory intensive games on it (e.g. Angry Birds), but in a way I kind of like that... one less thing to waste my time on.
One other nice thing about the Hero... is the grandfathered waiver on the 4G monthly fee. Upgrading adds on $10/mo. Of course, once you have reliable 4G in your area, it's well worth it. Anyway, I suspect the easiest way to motivate an upgrade is to put the two phones side by side. No contest on performance with the GS3 or 4G LTE.
I actually was so scared to root it, I waited like 6 months before I did. But boy o boy, once I did, I think I unrooted maybe once just to clean up a really bad ROM install. I went though the different CMs, NFX, LiquidSense, ExEnHeroC, AospMod (on his for a long time), WildHero, and tried ALOT of others and I finally landed for almost the past year on the TeamHeroC rom. I waited 6 months to root my Hero, and 3 weeks to root my Nook tablet. I rooted the GS3 pretty much three days after I got it. Gotta love XDA!
I've tweaked it to the moon using firerat's and data2ext, played with the different kernels like Decafuct and Jaybob's and UOT kitchened it. I have put it though the mill, and it still runs purrs right along. In fact, if I didn't really need a wifi hotspot right now, I would still be with it.
I don't know if it's that this being the first Android Sprint phone, and at the time there weren't very many out there, or what, but there've been and continue to be so many people working on this phone over the years. I know the HeroC is a legacy device, but there still seems to be lots of development going on. I can only hope the SG3 will be as supported.
BTW, it is a transition going from the Hero's small screen to the GS3's massive one. But it is sweet to use!
Carl
Hey Carl,
Great to hear about your experience with the Hero. I've not yet tried the TeamHeroC... sounds good. Is that the same group that created TWRP? Out of all the ROM's which one would say is:
Best for HTC Sense like GUI with reasonable performance
Best for flat out lean and mean performance without sacrificing usability
I've only just gotten a hang of the Android OS architecture and understanding the various layers, so I've not even started to think about replacing kernels. It certainly sounds like you can mix and match a number of components to achieve your own unique blend that suits you. It'll be fun to learn more about it, which will prepare me for rooting and modding my next Android phone (most likely the HTC Evo 4G LTE). Thankfully I'm all set for a phone discount so if I manage to brick my Hero, I can quickly get a replacement without significant cost.
I'm also looking forward to trying out ICS and JB, to see if people have cooked up ROMs that can actually run efficiently on the Hero without producing much lag. That's pretty much the Achilles Heel of the Hero--the processor. If there was only some way to upgrade it.
~Gary
cytherian said:
Hey Carl,
Great to hear about your experience with the Hero. I've not yet tried the TeamHeroC... sounds good. Is that the same group that created TWRP?
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cytherian said:
Out of all the ROM's which one would say is:
Best for HTC Sense like GUI with reasonable performance
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WildHeroc
cytherian said:
Best for flat out lean and mean performance without sacrificing usability
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Jaybob's teamheroc is best for everything
cytherian said:
I'm also looking forward to trying out ICS and JB, to see if people have cooked up ROMs that can actually run efficiently on the Hero without producing much lag. That's pretty much the Achilles Heel of the Hero--the processor. If there was only some way to upgrade it.
~Gary
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Shelnutt has done a really good job with jellybean. It runs rather well.
As far as flashing kernels and roms, the hero is hard to screw up. Make nandroids and flash away and you can try everything.
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Thanks for the suggestions, ajrty (or do you like to be called SeaDoo?). I had seen mention of WildHero before but I'll bump it to the top of my list of next ROMs to try.
While I've been appreciating some of what GO Launcher does, I'm astounded at how bloated it is. The frigging thing takes up 24Mb of memory, and that's just the launcher alone! The task manager, power master, and weather widgets also consume quite a bit of space. Also, when I elected for it to be the default, it effectively hid ADW Launcher from everything except one sub menu under settings. It took me a while, but for a moment I was thinking the darned thing had uninstalled ADW without asking for my permission.
Are you using TWRP or CWM for managing your backups? If you use TWRP, do you also use Goo Manager? How do you deal with preserving current data when switching ROMs (such as contacts, SMS and voicemail)? It's my understanding that nandroid and the like replace everything completely. Or, is it that once you get a ROM configured the way you like it, you do a nandroid backup for just the apps and system, leaving data out of it? I suspect that if you have the data stored on the SD card that a nandroid backup not containing user data would simply leave it alone when restored.
hey cytherian,
I agree with ajrty33. If you want a good ROM, TeamHeroC by Jaybob et al, is the best, and it's what I rocked for the past year. I tried others, but always came back to it. Wildhero is probably the most advanced Sense ROM out there, and runs really well on the Heroc.
I can't speak too much for launchers...I have always ran my Heroc with LauncherPro. I doubt it's available anymore. I know when I rooted my Nook tablet, it installed ADW as the launcher, and I have to say I like it. So far on my galaxy I'm still on with TouchWiz (for now).
I always ran with clockwork for my recovery, and it always treated me well. for a backup, I used (and still do) MyBackup Pro. Short of a nandroid backup it catches all my SMS/MMS, call log, and other stuff. If I installed a new ROM, that would give me all my data back.
It sounds like your a bit confused below about nandroid backups. A nandroid backup (that you would do from recovery) takes a snapshot of your system (ROM, data, cache, everything) and saves it to a file. If you then install a ROM, and it either messes up, or you just want to go back to the system as it stood just before you installed the new ROM, you can use your recovery to flash it back. So a nandroid backup is a necessary part of playing with ROMs....as long as you keep a good copy, you can get your phone back the way it was.
Backup programs like Titanium or MyBackup, just backup data and apps. They dont backup your system (I dont think Titanium does anyway). So if I installed a new ROM, I would use it to restore, for instance, all my SMSs.
Hope that helps,
Carl