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Proxy internet for HD2 on T-mobile?

My sister really needs a new phone and is with T-mob USA. I was telling her to get the HD2 when it comes out, and she really likes the phone but she doesn't want to pay for the added internet plan. When I had my Shadow (1st gen) I was able to use the t-mobile lower internet plan (t-zones?) and using proxy server info I was able to use the internet almost 100% normal. There were only a few apps that were odd.
What are the chances that since this is still a WinMo phone it will have that ability? Is this something that can be figured out before the phone comes out? Also, if it did work, would it access 3g data?
Thanks for any help/info.
Nick

When the HD2 launches it will have a required data pack just like all other windows, blackberry's and android devices currently do. If a discount is recieved on the device then the data pack (minimum $25/month) is required, paying full retail price is the only way not to have it. T-zones is no longer offered by itself for $5.99/month unless your plan is a grandfathered plan that supports it but would only be able to be used if the phone was purchased at retail.

NickPDX said:
My sister really needs a new phone and is with T-mob USA. I was telling her to get the HD2 when it comes out, and she really likes the phone but she doesn't want to pay for the added internet plan. When I had my Shadow (1st gen) I was able to use the t-mobile lower internet plan (t-zones?) and using proxy server info I was able to use the internet almost 100% normal. There were only a few apps that were odd.
What are the chances that since this is still a WinMo phone it will have that ability? Is this something that can be figured out before the phone comes out? Also, if it did work, would it access 3g data?
Thanks for any help/info.
Nick
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i use tmobile in uk if the proxy box is ticked my mail dosent load.

T-Mobile USA now uses the device IMEI for data plans
The proxy trick does not work anymore on Tmobile USA, they now use the phone's IMEI number to verify that the phone is on the correct data package. It works for about 24 hours now then when you try and access the internet you are sent to a screen to add the correct data package.

Proxy internet for HD2 on T-Mobile
I have T-mobile with the $5.99 T-Zones. I used it on the DASH and am now using it on a Touch VIVA. If I buy the HD2 from T-Mobile with no contract are they still going to force me to get a data plan or will my T-Zones stop working. I want to keep my T-Zones and may have to get an ulocked phone.

NickPDX said:
My sister really needs a new phone and is with T-mob USA. I was telling her to get the HD2 when it comes out, and she really likes the phone but she doesn't want to pay for the added internet plan. When I had my Shadow (1st gen) I was able to use the t-mobile lower internet plan (t-zones?) and using proxy server info I was able to use the internet almost 100% normal. There were only a few apps that were odd.
What are the chances that since this is still a WinMo phone it will have that ability? Is this something that can be figured out before the phone comes out? Also, if it did work, would it access 3g data?
Thanks for any help/info.
Nick
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I'm currently with AT&T and about to switch to T-mobile when the HD2 comes out. When I spoke to the T-mobile rep., (trying to get him to set me up on the cheap data plans instead) He told me T-mobile can tell what phone you are using and know if it is on the correct plan. He also stated that if the phone is unlocked then you can trick their systems into letting you keep your old plan. Now again, I dont know if this is true or not, I am about to switch...hopefully this month, I'll find out then.
With AT&T, I have an old data plan (unlimited internet, 1500 text, 200 MMS) and I pay $19.95/month. they have never made me change my data plan and I am using the Tilt2. If you go through the priemer business website to upgrade your phone, they dont give you the $50 discount and you get to keep your data plan unchanged....all other channels force the upgrade with an updated data plan. Again, the only way around that is to buy your phone from someone else, unlocked, or have warranty dept. swap out your phone for a different model. My nephew has the $10 data plan and is now using the Tilt2 on it via warranty swapping out his phone for a different model (the Tilt2).
I know on the AT&T service you do get the 3g speeds, so I assume it will be the same for T-Mobile (but then again assuming may not be the best way to go). Hope that helped

I am pretty certain that my sister has a grandfathered in 5.99 T-zones package too. I am hoping that she can get it and use this way. The email not loading problem that adamo mentioned though doesn't sound good. Do the other internet based things work ok?

NickPDX said:
I am pretty certain that my sister has a grandfathered in 5.99 T-zones package too. I am hoping that she can get it and use this way. The email not loading problem that adamo mentioned though doesn't sound good. Do the other internet based things work ok?
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from what I was told, everything should work correctly and at the correct speed, as long as the phone is unlocked. The cell phone service providers don't seem to really offer different speeds at different rate plans like the cable internet companies do.

I had not seen your message from earlier ... we posted at the exact same time. Thanks though for your input. I will let her know. It seems like it is worth a try. Worst case scenario, she has a great phone but she has to use Wifi to check her mail and such.

NickPDX said:
I am pretty certain that my sister has a grandfathered in 5.99 T-zones package too. I am hoping that she can get it and use this way. The email not loading problem that adamo mentioned though doesn't sound good. Do the other internet based things work ok?
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every other site works u can download email via direct site.then i noticed o2 network has its proxy unticked so when i was using tmobile i unticked it.now i can download email auto.
there was on promotional offer in uk.£10 top up u get unlimited txt and web.i used it on my htc shift as modem for a few months tmobile has no complained about going over fair usage policy on web unlike other networks.

How can I make a mytouch3G to work with T-Mobile's BlackBerry data plan?

I know that a non-T-Mobile branded HTC Magic will work with the T-Mobile BlackBerry Plan; however, a T-Mobile branded can only work with T-Mobile's google plan.
How can I make the T-Mobile branded myTouch3G to work with T-Mobile Blackberry plan?
I tried to unlocked and rooted the myTouch3G, but still doesn't work with t-mobile blackberry plan. (Every time i start browsing, it will direct me to the data plan upgrade page.)
Can I fresh the Kernel or something to make it work?
Thanks

you know your posting this in the wrong section right?? try the q&a section next time... and as far as i know i dont think its possible.... have you tried flashing a non tmobile rom?? you may want to go check out the g1/dream forum..

sorry about the wrong section posting...
I tried on a non-Tmobile ROM, but still not working... but I just could not find the element that locks up on the T-Mobile branded phones.

Can't be done. T-Mobile knows your imei and sees it everytime you connect to the internet. That is why you get routed to the upgrade page. Short of changing your imei (which is illegal), you'll need to get the google plan.

Ok do this.
Open your blackberry take out the mother board and everythign screena dn all..
Then JAM that **** right into your myrtouch 3G and use about 10-20 slices of tape to hold everything together.
then get another strip of tape and put the battery in and tape it so it holds the everything in place.
Now trn on your blacktouch2G custom and it should work without a problem...
Although its useless you can just say swap your grandfather plan to your mytouch3g as the same price and you will be ok.

death1246 said:
Ok do this.
Open your blackberry take out the mother board and everythign screena dn all..
Then JAM that **** right into your myrtouch 3G and use about 10-20 slices of tape to hold everything together.
then get another strip of tape and put the battery in and tape it so it holds the everything in place.
Now trn on your blacktouch2G custom and it should work without a problem...
Although its useless you can just say swap your grandfather plan to your mytouch3g as the same price and you will be ok.
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Hysterical.

Blackberry plan
To give you an idea of how tmo's data plans work I'll break it down as I used to work for them. The blackberry plan adds two apn's to your profile on the switch. epc.tmobile.com and tmo.blackberry.net. This also adds a filter on the back end that will only allow a blackberry device to access the internet with this plan. There are two other plans that you can have on your account. Total internet and the android plan. Both of these add identical apn's to your profile on the switch. epc.tmobile.com, internet2.voicestream.com, and wap.voicestream.com. Once again, there will be a filter on the back end. If you try to use an android device with the total internet plan you will be able to browse the internet but not through any of the applications and the market will be out of your reach. The only way that you will get full functionality out of that lovely little phone is to add the appropriate android plan... sorry!

I may be in the minority, but I haven't had any problems with that. I just bought a MyTouch 3G off of craigslist and I currently own a BB 9700 with BIS through T-Mobile. When I bought the phone I popped in my SIM card, registered the phone with my Gmail account, and had no problems browsing the web and utilizing the Android Market. It's been about 3 days since I've been using the Mytouch and I have yet to have had to contact T-Mobile to change my plan.

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I may be in the minority, but I haven't had any problems with that. I just bought a MyTouch 3G off of craigslist and I currently own a BB 9700 with BIS through T-Mobile. When I bought the phone I popped in my SIM card, registered the phone with my Gmail account, and had no problems browsing the web and utilizing the Android Market. It's been about 3 days since I've been using the Mytouch and I have yet to have had to contact T-Mobile to change my plan.
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you're in the minority. my BIS data plan lasted 3 minutes (enough to get through activation) on the mytouch before i got routed to the upgrade page. stuff still works on wifi though.
just call and change your plan. costs the same unless you've got a grandfathered plan.

Interesting. I switched off the MT3G for the Bold 9700 on the day it came out. Lately I've had an itch to use Android, which I can't due to the plan. Oddly enough, however, when I put my SIM into my TouchPro2 (running Windows Mobile 6.5, of course) I get full internet as if I had the Total Internet package on there. I find that interesting, since there's supposed to be a filter. But I used my TouchPro for 3 days with no issue. I even used WMWifiTether to share the internet off to my iPod touch for Pandora/streaming podcasts. But soon as I put it into my MT3G, I can't get the activation done. I don't even get a short grace period, it's almost instant lock-out. But I can put it back in the TouchPro2 and there's no problem. And back into the BlackBerry and all my emails come in, my messages from BBM (which is the main reason I don't want to switch plans. As soon as u switch plans, your BB account is suspended, so emails to your @tmo.blackberry.net account bounce back, and BBM won't receive any messages, as well as PIN messages just hang in limbo, AFAIK).
SO, what's the deal here, is there an APN setting somewhere, or is it truly IMEI filtering? Would it be possible to plug the MT3G IMEI into the BIS management interface? I would guess not, since the first so many numbers of the IMEI determine the type of device, and they could limit it only to BlackBerry devices.

flamingblue8z said:
Interesting. I switched off the MT3G for the Bold 9700 on the day it came out. Lately I've had an itch to use Android, which I can't due to the plan. Oddly enough, however, when I put my SIM into my TouchPro2 (running Windows Mobile 6.5, of course) I get full internet as if I had the Total Internet package on there. I find that interesting, since there's supposed to be a filter. But I used my TouchPro for 3 days with no issue. I even used WMWifiTether to share the internet off to my iPod touch for Pandora/streaming podcasts. But soon as I put it into my MT3G, I can't get the activation done. I don't even get a short grace period, it's almost instant lock-out. But I can put it back in the TouchPro2 and there's no problem. And back into the BlackBerry and all my emails come in, my messages from BBM (which is the main reason I don't want to switch plans. As soon as u switch plans, your BB account is suspended, so emails to your @tmo.blackberry.net account bounce back, and BBM won't receive any messages, as well as PIN messages just hang in limbo, AFAIK).
SO, what's the deal here, is there an APN setting somewhere, or is it truly IMEI filtering? Would it be possible to plug the MT3G IMEI into the BIS management interface? I would guess not, since the first so many numbers of the IMEI determine the type of device, and they could limit it only to BlackBerry devices.
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there's no way around it for the mytouch. my BIS plan worked on the iphone, but that's a phone they don't have control over. pretty sure once your mytouch registers with it's imei# on the network that tmobile detects it's on the "wrong plan" and gives you the upgrade message. not sure why though, since they are the same price. same thing happens w/ iphone on blackberry plan w/ at&t, except at&t doesn't completely block data like t-mobile does.
not really BIS's fault. would make no sense to register the imei on BIS. it's t-mobiles issue. they want everyone using a mytouch on a mytouch plan. i'm guessing because they get more money per subscription from google than they do with BB.

TP2 + BB data plan = no MMS??
flamingblue8z said:
Interesting. I switched off the MT3G for the Bold 9700 on the day it came out. Lately I've had an itch to use Android, which I can't due to the plan. Oddly enough, however, when I put my SIM into my TouchPro2 (running Windows Mobile 6.5, of course) I get full internet as if I had the Total Internet package on there. . .
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I've had the T-Mo $19.99/month BB BIS add-on for a long time but switched phones to the Touch Pro 2. I also get good internet speed - phone & SMS work well, too. Have you been able to send or receive MMS on the TP2 with your BB plan? I have not and was told by T-Mo (who offered to sell me a more expensive plan) that my TP2 sends MMS via the data plan and the two are incompatible. Bugs me that my kids' cheap camera phones send/receive MMS just fine without a data plan.

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I'm closing this thread because it was posted in the wrong section.
I'll move it though but it should have been in the General, G1 Q&A or even Android Software and Hacking General but in this case I'll move it to General.
And to make it interesting for the OP, I will continue to block any efforts to open another thread (even if it is in the correct section because of rule #5.
To request for me to open this thread up I need the OP to send me the link to the post Thread merged/deleted/moved/locked!!! This is DEVELOPMENT section not General!!!!
Until then this is closed

HTC Mytouch Activate Google without DATA?

Well My friend bought a My Touch and it had another email registered with it so he wanted if off, Before all of this I asked if he had data he said yea.. So I hard Reset and now The data (which it turns out to be not in his plan after all. HE assumed cause he had access you youtube (really)) So this is the Dilemma...
The Data Cost 30 plus Does Not want it.
On a flex plan.
I have WiFi.
I have ADB Shell but The Device is not found
I am trying to provision/activate (the Google activate screen is not connecting) Due to no Data.
IS there a way around this.. I found a possible way to do this over wifi but can't connect to adb.. any ideas.

So I got it done, I refused to have this post unanswered...lol
So here is the run down.
I didn't want to have to pay but It was the last resort.. Cant ADB or anything to reset and no keyboard to add commands.
Since its flex pay, you have to pay in advance so I called and payed by E-Check.
It cost me 60 Dollars 30x2 (Two Months are mandatory)
Did The activation... waited 3 hours...
Called and told them The Internet did not work and that I needed it for a special reason (GPS) and it did not work..
Then I asked for a refund. and boom in a few days I will get my money back..
only work round that works...lol
-Geremy.

or you could have just used a friend's sim (with data plan) activated it, pop in your google information, swap sim cards. thats what I did =|

Lol this is my friend with T-Mobile...lol we all have sprint..lol I (we) didn't have anyone else who could lend a sim and needed the phone ASAP

Let me get this straight...
if I get a mytouch for my son (no data on his line) and I use my sim card when it arrives (i do have a data plan)... I can setup the phone with his google info and then swap sim cards have he will have a fully functional phone (minus internet and GPS) right?
Also, do MMS messages still come in fine?

izzzy12k said:
Let me get this straight...
if I get a mytouch for my son (no data on his line) and I use my sim card when it arrives (i do have a data plan)... I can setup the phone with his google info and then swap sim cards have he will have a fully functional phone (minus internet and GPS) right?
Also, do MMS messages still come in fine?
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Yep, you can. I don't know how Tmo works or the US carriers there, but just in case, I would disable background data usage and even change the apn. For example, if it's internet.com , I would change it to internet.comm. That way, internet access is completely blocked off unless using wifi.
I think MMS messages should come in fine. Correct me if I'm wrong!

Anyone know if Tmo will sell you the phone without a data plan?

Tmo will not sell without data plan. But I don't understand, I have a G1 and did the adb workaround to activate via Wifi, this does not work for MT3G at all?

if I remember right, you can click on skip...
Then connect to your WiFi, and setup everything after that
Thats how I did mine

Markolise said:
if I remember right, you can click on skip...
Then connect to your WiFi, and setup everything after that
Thats how I did mine
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LOL for which rom? donut or cupcake?
and MMS messages DOES NOT work. along with text messages exceeding 160 characters. (you would have to send a longer message in parts) only way to fix this is if you get a custom rom (hero or cyanogen) and then configure it with the mms info (just like you would do a iphone or a unlocked phone) it does not work because the official android roms released from tmobile uses 3g to send mms + longer texts (this way its faster) and not the older temporary edge network.
and I use my mytouch with tmobile I do not have data plan(3g), but I changed the apn to data.voicestream.com or something like that. thats the url for the regular $9.99 data line (edge) I changed it to that because sometimes I get free weather+ free browsing for a week xD. and no tmo does not sell smartphones without a plan, get one from craigslist.

U can use your sim(data plan) for the initial activation and when the phone is fully set up, u can power down and switch sim cards then u will have to reenter the google password that u used to setup the phone, but that can be done over wifi......

T-Mobile DOES sell smartphones without a data plan attached. The catch is you have to pay the full handset price. Most of them run from $350 to $450 full price. The G1, Mytouch, and the cliq and cliqxt need data on the initial startup straight out of the box. The best workaround is borrow a sim with data, root, and pick a new rom.

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T-Mobile DOES sell smartphones without a data plan attached. The catch is you have to pay the full handset price. Most of them run from $350 to $450 full price. The G1, Mytouch, and the cliq and cliqxt need data on the initial startup straight out of the box. The best workaround is borrow a sim with data, root, and pick a new rom.
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Do you know this for certain? I went on T-mobile's website and tried to buy a HD2 off contract and it told me it required a data plan and would not let me purchase it without adding it to my cart.

You'll have to go to a direct dealer's location. Online runs defferently.

What exactly does a ported rom mean?

Hey guys, I'm new here but I have some (nooby) questions. I'm currently using an iphone to tether my laptop using web2go from t-mobile. I got a g1 from someone and of course rooted and started tinkering with it so that I could get web2go to work on the g1.
My question mainly is if I port over say another android based os, like the droid eris os that is available, does that change the way the phone interacts with t mobile? Or would t-mobile still recognize the internal imei and not care about the os and settings? I'm mainly asking if I can port over another os onto the g1 so I can tether like I currently do.
I know there will be the people who say just buy the more expensive plans, but if I could I would. I'm tethering with these phones because I can't afford real internet!
Any help would be appreciated, thank you.

Tmobile will recognize the IMEI although I have used the wireless and wifi tether's both and not had a problem on Tmo.

wait you use the 9.99 web2go? What settings do you use? Because whenever I try it has trouble "finding internet connection" or whatever. although technically the internet should still be coming through right? It's just being subverted by the g1's software that requires the higher tier services?

If its rooted, just use the wireless tether app. You can find the link here and put it on your SD card. Download Linda file manager from the market and use it to install the tether apk. From there, you will change your phones 3G or Edge signal into a wifi one that your laptop can use. You can use that on any rom, and it doesn't matter wether its droid eris or stock. The only thing that tmobile can see is your imei and your radio version, not the rom.

ok I will try this tomorrow and get back to you. Thanks for all the help

well I tried it real quick right now and I guess I forgot to make clear whats going on. When using the G1 as opposed to the iphone, the web2go subscription gets subverted. So while web2go works with a proxy on the iphone, on the G1 it does nothing.
I have the tools to tether except the G1 / T-mobile subvert the internet. I wanted to know if this was based on imei or on a software lock. Because I have heard of people using their G1's with web2go I'm assuming it's a software lock. So if I use a rom of an os that can run web2go, will I be able to use it? or will the imei lock it out?

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well I tried it real quick right now and I guess I forgot to make clear whats going on. When using the G1 as opposed to the iphone, the web2go subscription gets subverted. So while web2go works with a proxy on the iphone, on the G1 it does nothing.
I have the tools to tether except the G1 / T-mobile subvert the internet. I wanted to know if this was based on imei or on a software lock. Because I have heard of people using their G1's with web2go I'm assuming it's a software lock. So if I use a rom of an os that can run web2go, will I be able to use it? or will the imei lock it out?
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there's only really two different os versions. well, more, but two popular ones. 1.6 (donut) and 2.1 (eclair). does the g1 have a data plan? does it even have 3g? you say you just got it, so if you don't have 3g, there's nothing to tether. as for it not working - if you're rooted it will work. there's also a app on the market (for now) called easy tether. just use the free version.
edit: read top post more clearly - no. you can't tether if you don't have 3g. if you can, it's new to me.
one more edit: you can do what my friend did - take an old satellite dish, hardwire it to a router, and just connect a lot of wire clothes hangers to the satellite's receptor or.. er... thingy and steal wifi for like miles. ha ha.

The thing is web2go is a data plan that can access unlimited 3g through a proxy. T mobile wants users to use their strict g1 data plan, so any other data plans get shut off. I'm wondering if it's imei or software. If its a software lock then I can just install a different rom I'm guessing.
When I tether with the same data plan on my iphone i get edge speeds, the main reason i want to get the g1 working is so i can get the 3g speeds

Ok, then try this. Go to the tmobile.com website, sign in using your number and password (or create an account). When you get to the screen that shows you a picture of your phone, select the option right under the picture that says not my phone, then select any other 3G capable, non android device. That should put you in the clear for a few hours/days/weeks/months, or whenever they decide to check your account.

Ok I tried it but it still didn't work. I'm starting to think it might be the g1 software which is helping shut off the Internet. I'm going to install a new rom and hopefully I'll be able to set the settings for t mobile. Will keep u guys posted

switching between hd2 and g1

my question is this.when i bought my hd2 they had to switch my internet connection from droid to windows mobile.now when i put my sim card in my g1 the internet doesnt work.is there any way around this problem?i was really. looking forward to switching phones from time to time.

i doubt its you plan it sounds like you need to set up data provisioning on the G1

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i doubt its you plan it sounds like you need to set up data provisioning on the G1
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how would that explain that it worked fine until i changed phones?plus the guy said i just have to switch your data plan from android to windows mobile.as i was checking out,

There are different data services that T-Mobile offers. I had to call and have them switch it when I recieved my Hd2 from Android data to standard data. Same for my gf when she switched from a Motorola Cliq (what a pos that was) to a BB Curve (not much better IMHO). They all cost the same and I would bet they are the same service. It must be a book keeping thing. There is probably no way around it, other than a call to customer service.

T-Mobile does have a way to separate the data plan for Android devices. At least I know its different for the G1.
I purchased the HD2 as a new line with data. I then canceled my G1 line and factory reset the G1. I put in the sim from my HD2 into the G1 but did not get data. I added an Android data plan on my wife's sim card and put that into the G1 and it works great.
So yes, T-Mobile has a different type of a plan for android devices, at least for the G1.

I also recently called in and told them I need to switch between the G1 and the HD2 on the same sim every other day. They said I'll have to call each time to change the data plan for it to work.
I asked them isn't there a data plan that works for both phones, the answer was no.

kcaj32 said:
I also recently called in and told them I need to switch between the G1 and the HD2 on the same sim every other day. They said I'll have to call each time to change the data plan for it to work.
I asked them isn't there a data plan that works for both phones, the answer was no.
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well its good to know that at least they'll switch it when you call in.

8255daw said:
well its good to know that at least they'll switch it when you call in.
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I was told by a rep it takes 2 to 48 hours to switch data services.

You could just figure out a way for the G1 to spoof it's identity as a WinMo device. Oh wait...that's not allowed...lolol.
On a serious note, the phones identify themselves in such a way as the T-mobile system knows if your using Android/WinMo/BB. Is it stupid? Absolutely. Can we do anything about it...not really...at least legally...lol.

Well when I had my Nexus One, I came from an iPhone so I had the regular Unlimited Web instead of the Android Web. I popped in my sim card w/o switching anything and surprisingly it worked right away, after I had everything set up then I called to switch. I then switched to the BlackBerry so I changed the internet to the BlackBerry Unlimited, and now using an iPhone as well on the BB Data Plan.

I switch quite frequently between my HD2, a TouchPro2, Nexus One, and a G1 and my data works in all of them. No calling a rep, no having to switch plans... i havent had any problems with anything so far.

I'm on the Android Unlimited Web plan. It works for my G1 and HD2.
The customer service rep will tell you that you need to switch and they are not compatible, but it is for me and other people. There was an older thread where other people also have it set up with the Android Unlimited Web.
I switched to back to Android Unlimited Web before since I wanted to test some things on my G1, and didn't switch back when I realized it also worked with my HD2. The other plan does NOT work with the G1, only the HD2.

My SIM worked fine
I just got an HD2 on Craigslist. I have the G1 data plan and when I put my SIM into the HD2 everything worked fine. My internet. text mms. all are working just fine. I don't think there is a real need to change your data services with the carrier.