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Ok, so I was really interested in getting Evo this friday.. but now I decided to wait...
I watched a video of Samsung Galaxy S showing crazy neocore score, smooooth 3d shooting game, and multitouch test compared to HTC phone..
So I really wanna know now how HTC Evo is compared to some devices:
1. How is battery life with regular use (no 4g, no wifi, no gps on, medium brightness, 20-40 mins talk, some txting/gtalk, light web browsing)? Compared to other HTC phones?
Edit: Other thread has some reviews about it, but I still wonder if it's possible to get 14-18 hours with some web browsing and texting/gtalk.
I know Samsung will have much better battery life cuz of sAmoled screen.
2. How is multitouch test using market app compared to Galaxy S video? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg).. yes, I know it's worse on Evo cuz of its double screen, but how bad?
3. How is audio quality (mp3 music) compared to iPod? (I know iPod is not a standard to compare to but at least I'll have an idea). And how loud is speaker (ringers) compared to any other HTC phones?
Since Galaxy S should come to Sprint too sometimes this summer (based on rumors) I'm kinda considering it...
Yes I know Samsung SUCKS for its support.. And I dont like GalaxyS's look and its UI (reminds me of some ugly phone...)
BUT I can deal with the look and just use home replacement, and I dont care about 4G, AS LONG AS its hardware kills EVO (better battery life, screen, PROCESSOR FASTER THAN SNAPDRAGON, GRAPHICS, better audio quality)..
So don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing EVO (I love how it looks) but I just wanna hear your experience/comparison with this phone on those 3 main points.
Thank you all in advance
DiNoise said:
Ok, so I was really interested in getting Evo this friday.. but now I decided to wait...
I watched a video of Samsung Galaxy S showing crazy neocore score, smooooth 3d shooting game, and multitouch test compared to HTC phone..
So I really wanna know now how HTC Evo is compared to some devices:
1. How is battery life with regular use (no 4g, no wifi, no gps on, medium brightness, 20-40 mins talk, some txting/gtalk, light web browsing)? Compared to other HTC phones?
I know Samsung will have much better battery life cuz of sAmoled screen.
2. How is multitouch test using market app compared to Galaxy S video? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg).. yes, I know it's worse on Evo cuz of its double screen, but how bad?
3. How is audio quality (mp3 music) compared to iPod? (I know iPod is not a standard to compare to but at least I'll have an idea). And how loud is speaker (ringers) compared to any other HTC phones?
Since Galaxy S should come to Sprint too sometimes this summer (based on rumors) I'm kinda considering it...
Yes I know Samsung SUCKS for its support.. And I dont like GalaxyS's look and its UI (reminds me of some ugly phone...)
BUT I can deal with the look and just use home replacement, and I dont care about 4G, AS LONG AS its hardware kills EVO (better battery life, screen, PROCESSOR FASTER THAN SNAPDRAGON, GRAPHICS, better audio quality)..
So don't get me wrong, I'm not dissing EVO (I love how it looks) but I just wanna hear your experience/comparison with this phone on those 3 main points.
Thank you all in advance
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First off... Not all HTC phones are created equally...
1. AMOLED is more hype than anything imo... The Nexus one certainly doesn't get that great of battery life. Plus at the end of the day, the display hardly is using any battery according to battery use... You should get a days life of battery w/o any issues if your usage is what you say.
2. That's an old Touch input sensor or whatever. The Evo does not face the same problems...
3. Audio Quality... sounds fine to me. The speakers on it... I don't know. At times it's quiet and other times it's loud I feel. I really haven't been able to narrow down why, but I do have a feeling it's my "custom" notification / ringtones that are the culprit. I feel my Hero is a tad bit louder still though.
I cannot find out why this phone performed so much better than the other phones on neocore?!?!? The specs are the same.
Edit: Never mind, I found out about the hummingbird processor in the galaxy. I still would rather take the EVO as the galaxy,afaik, has no release date or carrier yet.
Can't speak on the Evo specifically since I don't have it yet (I will in a few hours though lol), however I will say that I would definitely take an Evo over the Galaxy S. Yes the Galaxy S has the hummingbird processor which has a faster gpu, but that in my opinion is the one and only thing it has on the EVO. The Galaxy has that ugly ass touchwiz overlay on top of Android. Part of that overlay looks almost exactly like the iphone OS (not to mention the phone itself almost looks exactly like an iphone). I'd much rather have HTC sense than touchwiz any day of the week. Me living in a 4g market (Atlanta) also makes me more prone to purchase the EVO because now I will be able to discontinue using my Clear 4g dongle. Going back to the processing power, truth be told at this point in time I don't think the extra processing power of the Galaxy S really matters. I currently have the Nexus One which also has a 1ghz snapdragon processor (like the EVO) and I have no speed issues. Add to that the fact that Android 2.2 will be released soon and it has JIT enabled, speed really won't be an issue. I'd imagine you'd see the same responsiveness on both the Evo and the Galaxy S. Also don't forget the Galaxy S only has a 5 megapixel camera (compared to the Evo's 8) and a smaller screen than the EVO.
Galaxy S advantages:
faster processor
Galaxy S disadvantages:
smaller screen
5 megapixel camera
touchwiz interface
looks like an iphone knock off (opinion)
lacks 4g
made by Samsung lol
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I cannot find out why this phone performed so much better than the other phones on neocore?!?!? The specs are the same.
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The reason is that the gpu processes 90million triangles/sec as opposed to the nexus one's 22million triangles/sec (couldn't find the evo's specs on this)
Source: http://androidandme.com/2010/03/new...bird-chip-to-have-3x-gpu-power-of-snapdragon/
Tenny said:
First off... Not all HTC phones are created equally...
1. AMOLED is more hype than anything imo... The Nexus one certainly doesn't get that great of battery life. Plus at the end of the day, the display hardly is using any battery according to battery use... You should get a days life of battery w/o any issues if your usage is what you say.
2. That's an old Touch input sensor or whatever. The Evo does not face the same problems...
3. Audio Quality... sounds fine to me. The speakers on it... I don't know. At times it's quiet and other times it's loud I feel. I really haven't been able to narrow down why, but I do have a feeling it's my "custom" notification / ringtones that are the culprit. I feel my Hero is a tad bit louder still though.
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Well, Samsung claims their Super AMOLED is better in power consuming and brighter than regular AMOLED.. so I don't know if its really true or just bs.
So, is your EVO performing the same on that multitouch test as Galaxy S on the video?? I know EVO is supposed to have new touch sensors that are really good, but Im not sure how good they are, that's why I asked you guys to compare.
And did you compare audio quality to an iPod? (using same headphones of course) Because I still have a HTC Hero and it's a shame for HTC to come up with these smart phones that cannot even have same audio quality as iPod/iPhone, and I'm not even expecting them to be as good as Sony mp3 players (best audio quality consumer mp3 players on the market so far)
thanks for reply anyway.
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Can't speak on the Evo specifically since I don't have it yet (I will in a few hours though lol), however I will say that I would definitely take an Evo over the Galaxy S. Yes the Galaxy S has the hummingbird processor which has a faster gpu, but that in my opinion is the one and only thing it has on the EVO. The Galaxy has that ugly ass touchwiz overlay on top of Android. Part of that overlay looks almost exactly like the iphone OS (not to mention the phone itself almost looks exactly like an iphone). I'd much rather have HTC sense than touchwiz any day of the week. Me living in a 4g market (Atlanta) also makes me more prone to purchase the EVO because now I will be able to discontinue using my Clear 4g dongle. Going back to the processing power, truth be told at this point in time I don't think the extra processing power of the Galaxy S really matters. I currently have the Nexus One which also has a 1ghz snapdragon processor (like the EVO) and I have no speed issues. Add to that the fact that Android 2.2 will be released soon and it has JIT enabled, speed really won't be an issue. I'd imagine you'd see the same responsiveness on both the Evo and the Galaxy S. Also don't forget the Galaxy S only has a 5 megapixel camera (compared to the Evo's 8) and a smaller screen than the EVO.
Galaxy S advantages:
faster processor
Galaxy S disadvantages:
smaller screen
5 megapixel camera
touchwiz interface
looks like an iphone knock off (opinion)
lacks 4g
made by Samsung lol
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Yes, you're right about GalaxyS's advantages (man, I hate that name..),
ALOT faster processor and GPU, and based on reviews pinch to zoom in web browser is smoother than on any Snapdragon phone, and I'm not even talking about 3d gaming..
But also SuperAmoled screen will give you extra battery life, and that would be a big plus for me, and 4inch screen is still big.
TouchWiz?? I dont care, I'm even tired of Sense, I'm using Helix Launcher, LauncherPRO and ADW Launcher..
Megapixels??? I'm a photographer, and if you didnt know Megapixels dont make your picture look better, lens and sensor does, I'm good even with 3mp.
4G?? Unfortunately it's not available yet in my area so I'll be tipping Sprint every month $10 for... hmm... nothing..
YES, it DOES look like APPLE CRAP... unfortunately..
So far this is their flagship phone, so hopefully they will provide all users with good support and be on time with Android updates...
I couldn't get rid of my Samsung Moment (with Amoled screen) fast enough due to the horrendous battery problems with that phone. The build quality well, it just sucked. The top slider flopped around. It felt like a toy compared to Droid.
Good luck whatever you do, I'm heading out now to get my Evo.
I am using a Touch Pro 2 on ATT but I want to switch to Sprint for one of the smart phones. I am trying to decide between Epic and Evo.
I've seen and played with both phones and both seem pretty equal to me. On first glance the Epic feels way lighter and cheaper than the Evo, and I didn't like the keyboard nearly as much as my TP2.
How is the Samsung software? I've never used a Sammy smart phone and I was wondering how their software compares? I've used HTC for the last 4 phones I've owned. With full root can you put HTC software on the epic phone?
Anything else I should be away of in making my decision to switch?
Thanks
You'd probably get better answers about TouchWiz in another forum, but I can say that I'm not a fan from what I've seen. It would drive me nuts not being able to change the four shortcuts on my homescreen.
The HTC Evo is CyanogenMod supported which, in my opinion, is a very strong selling point.
The HTC Evo also has Froyo. The Galaxy S phones have yet to be updated. I'm pretty sure they'll be seeing an update soon, but you never can tell.
You'll probably never see a full Sense UI ROM on the Epic.
The main thing that I like about the Epic is the Hummingbird processor. I haven't really had an opportunity to play with a Galaxy S phone w/o a T-Mobile sales person breathing down my neck, so I can't really speak to how much better it makes the overall experience.
My opinion would be that if you think you can live without a hardware keyboard, to go with the EVO.
Sorry if that was a bit rambly... I just woke up.
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I am using a Touch Pro 2 on ATT but I want to switch to Sprint for one of the smart phones. I am trying to decide between Epic and Evo.
I've seen and played with both phones and both seem pretty equal to me. On first glance the Epic feels way lighter and cheaper than the Evo, and I didn't like the keyboard nearly as much as my TP2.
How is the Samsung software? I've never used a Sammy smart phone and I was wondering how their software compares? I've used HTC for the last 4 phones I've owned. With full root can you put HTC software on the epic phone?
Anything else I should be away of in making my decision to switch?
Thanks
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Advantage Epic 4G
1. QWERTY
2. More powerful CPU and GPU crushes Evo's GPU, no comparison
3. Screen is about 5x nicer than Evo's. To be honest, Evo has a really ****ty TFT LCD screen displaying only 65k colors.
Advantage Evo 4G
1. Feels more like a premium device, very heavy for a phone, nice form factor
2. Roughly the same size as Epic, thinner, but way less bezel, more screen.
I keep hearing about all the pixels you can see on the epic. I like my Evo, I'd say if you want to game or need a hardware keyboard go epic otherwise the Evo is great. Most games are payable with the Evo just with a few slowdowns. Battery life is just slightly better on the epic, like 15 mins or something like that.
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i work for sprint, I dont think you can go wrong with either. heres what i think...
Epic
Pros: 4G, GORGEOUS screen, Hummingbird processor really flies when scrolling and rendering, Great KB, and DLNA (instead of HDMI)
Cons: Somewhat bulky even though very lightweight, even though screen is gorgeous, colors are over exaggerated, resulting in some pixelation. 5M/VGA cameras versus the Evo 8M/1.3M combo. Capacitive buttons at bottom VERY touchy and buggy
Evo
Pros: 4G, 4.3 inch screen, HUUUUUGE development community, Android Froyo 2.2 out the box, 8M/1.3M camera combo, KICKSTAND!!, 2 flashes on Camera, HTC Sense blows Touchwiz out of the water (even though I prefer LauncherPro), and lastly Evo comes with Youtube with HQ capabilities
Cons: HTC has capped the framerate of the Evo out of the box because of the HDMI controller. Compared to the Epics constant 60fps, it blows a stock Evo out the water when it comes to anything graphical. Scrolling, pinching and zooming, things like that. The 1GHz Snapdragon core is fast as hell when launching programs and multi tasking and performing operations, but it stinks compared to the Epic when it comes to 3D gaming. Now, with that being said, there are plenty of custom roms and kernels that lift the cap on the framerate on the Evo, letting it achieve about 55fps. Close to 60, but not yet.
Screen on Evo is a tad bigger, but looks sort of washed out against the Epic.
HTC Sense is great for the average user, but its Heavy, slow, and hogs up alot of resources.
Dont get me wrong, the are more pros and cons to both, but to ME, those are the big ones. Which one do I recommend?
I RECOMMEND GOING TO A STORE AND PLAYING WITH BOTH TO SEE WITH ONE YOU..ill say it again....YOU...like better
For me, I already own the Evo, and its an awesome device, the Epic isnt enough of an upgrade for me to ditch the Evo. Furthermore, Sprint employees cant buy the Evo or Epic yet anyways. I only got an Evo cuz I was our stores advocate.
I think if I were in a buyers position tho, and was an average user, or even a more than average user, I would definately pick sadly...the Epic.
Now, if your into hacking and overclocking and tinkering your phone, then the Evo is definately the phone for you. There is so much support for the Evo, its truly unbelievable.
At the end, I LOVE my Evo, hands down the best phone ive ever had. You may not think the same, and coming to an Evo forum is gonna get you some very biased answers on which one is better. Go to a store and try them out for yourself. They are both incredible devices
I don't care at all about games but I am really tired of the slowdowns I've come to expect with Windows Mobile.
For instance, sometimes waiting for a text message to appear or for the home screen to load (5-10 seconds) is "normal" for me. I want a snappy device, with a good end-user experience. Like the iphone.
And I wanna customize it, unlike an iphone.
Edit: Thanks for the recommendation, I'll go in today and play with them again....
This post says it all:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=770471
id say go with the touch pro 2 again. haha just kidding, i hated owning the touch pro 2, so slow!!
I had a Touch Pro 2 for a month, it was so slow I couldn't even answer calls on it. Literally it would take 30 seconds to press the "answer call" button and by the the call would be disconnected. Also that conference call feature where you could easily add people to a call simply did not exist (i think it only works on the GSM verison)
I actually really, really like the Palm Pixi after seeing it in person. That thing is tiny [that's what she said] and quite underrated.
I kind of want to ditch my Evo for the Palm Pixi but would mainly miss the Google Maps Navigation. [edit I suppose it probably has Sprint Navigation]
I played with a friends epic, and I was not impressed.
touchwiz looks like kindergarten compared to sense.
it was lightweight and nice display, albeit smaller than evo.
jerryparid said:
Advantage Epic 4G
1. QWERTY
2. More powerful CPU and GPU crushes Evo's GPU, no comparison
3. Screen is about 5x nicer than Evo's. To be honest, Evo has a really ****ty TFT LCD screen displaying only 65k colors.
Advantage Evo 4G
1. Feels more like a premium device, very heavy for a phone, nice form factor
2. Roughly the same size as Epic, thinner, but way less bezel, more screen.
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I agree with your review here I have 5 Evo's at work and own one myself and yesterday just activated 2 Epic's great phones screen is out of this world. That being said depends on if you want a mechanical keyboard or not. I could go either way bottom line is you can't lose with either phone they are both great. I can say for me the Evo is the best smart phone I have ever owned.
As others have said, the best way to choose is to play with both of them yourself. That being said, a friend of mine got the Epic the other day and I went over to show her how to use it and I like the EVO more. It may just be the fact that I'm more used to my phone or just simply personal preference, I don't know. The Epic is a nice phone, but IMHO, the EVO is better. Everyone is different though and you may feel another way. I'm just happy that after being with Sprint as long as I have (about 10yrs) and dealing with the fact that year after year all the top phones have gone to different carriers, Sprint finally decided to offer 2 very good choices.
I work at a Sprint store and a customer with an Epic came in with an image burned into the screen. I don't know how and I havn't read anything else on it but if I know Samsung then there will be at least one major issue.
The main reason to not get an Epic is the other name attached to it - Samsung. They are, historically, horrible with their smartphones. Slow to release updates, slow or never release updates to fix bugs big and small, marginal support for devices out on the market, and just a complete lack of customer service. As a former owner of an Instinct and a Moment, I cannot recommend buying anything with the Samsung name attached to it except their TVs and computer monitors.
I can, without any doubt in my mind, say that the Evo is the best phone I've ever owned thus far. By itself with no root and no modifications, it is a wonderful phone. Rooting it and putting whatever I want on it to expand its potential only made it a better phone. The guys over at SDX will have a heck of a time ripping out TouchWiz (yuck!) and making the Epic better than it is (it's already rooted, supposedly). I won't even be thinking about a phone upgrade again until at least November to see what's on the market or what's coming to the market (especially from HTC).
Well. I have decided to actually go to the Evo from the Epic. I have my reasons. I will get 50 back. I love the Epics screen and the keyboard, which I am using right now actually. The thing that gets me is. I can't put a pin on it but. I just like the Evo better. Its not the hardware. Which is still awesome and I love. Considering the Epic has much better hardware it is hard to explain the switch. I think I would enjoy the screen more. Is it gorilla glass? Also will he Evo get gingerbread? This is a hard decision...I like that the Evo has the otterbox support and such a large community. Also I think I woul enjoy the evo more. In a few months. Actually 3 I will have another upgrade to use and I believe something will be out by then. Also I had a Hero an I love Htc products. I also want Freshes roms. Lol
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The EVO is going to get all of the updates that the Epic gets and probably more. It also has much better developer support. HTC is just a much better phone manufacturer than Samsung.
That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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The EVO is fully rootable right now on any version.
Blitzpwnage said:
That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Definitely. The EVO is super-snappy, and the processor is easily enough.
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yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.
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agreed, I dont care about gaming on a cell phone. The only reason i brought that up is because the epic offers a much smoother experience when scrolling and pinching and zooming and **** like that because of the better GPU
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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i am by NO means saying the Evo is a slouch, its still majorly fast, and is a DECENT gaming device if your into that, I was just making a point when the guy said the Evo is far from being outdate. I still love my Evo
Hey i really only buy HTC phones just do to development of them on this site..my girl has the epic and i think shes gonna either go evo in a week or hopefully they release a win pho 7 at the begining of october
Evo can play some 3d games..but for me I'll play a 3d game for alittle bit, but touch screen and accelerometer does not work for me. unless I get a keyboard and mouse hooked up
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.
Not to be off topic but I heard rumors of dual core proccesers out by x mas, any one here about that?
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Thats one thing I learned about Samsung, on paper the specs are superior, but on actual performance and real world usage it falls far behind. The hardware is great, but the software they put on to run it is an epic fail. I haven't used the epic 4g yet, but this has been my experience with past Samsung phones and I dont expect the current to be much different.
And yes evohack I have also heard that dual core phones are scheduled to be out in Q4.
I have the fascinate and I can.say that the sammys needs help with their crap software. Touchwiz is a horrible joke and the GPS and lag is a real issue. Glad its not my primary phone. Thanks to google voice I can.play around with multiple phones and still get all.my calls.
The phone could.have used a better backcover. It feels cheap and prone to.smudges. should.have given it a rubberized feel like they do with a lot of the new.cases would.help. I might create something for that.
The phone is lightweight and screen is nice. Sammys better off with less touchwiz and more froyo. Hope he community will have something soon for it.
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.
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right, i think the adreno is about 20 million triangles per second where the SGX is about 90 million
I'm leaning at getting my 50 bucks back and getting the evo. I lover my epic but its just not what I need right now and that 50 bucks can go towards my 10 payment fee a month.im really going to miss this screen lol first I'm going to go play with the evo from radioshack then decide indefinitely...hows the evos screen??
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..hows the evos screen??
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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Thats the real big thing for me, the support behind it, I had a Hero before the Epic and loved it, I was looking at fresh 3.2 and I guess it has some amazing battery life can this actually be confirmed, I get crap battery from my Epic...
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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idk, to me the screen nor the keyboard are big points. The screen has burn in issues, and some of the colors aren't even displayed right. + I'm pretty sure the screen is a lot more expensive to replace then an lcd one and easier to break/scratch.
The only reason I thought of switching a while ago was the cpu/gpu, but after I thought about it, it just would be retarded to switch.
Because:
1. TW is crap compared to sense.
2. The cpu/gpu would be a waste since I wouldn't even use it much.
3. It's samsung.
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hows the evos screen??
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It's big and beautiful, and with LCD Density Changer you can fit so much on the screen at once.
Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
wait for ces they should have more phones coming right after that
Hmm...if I was that unhappy,i sure wouldn't still be with sprint/evo..
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Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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and what phone out there besides what t-mo has is better the droid x is the same way as the evo camera sticks out the back
Stop Complaning!!
Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first
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Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? u deep****! evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first
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Oh right I forgot everyone elses phones lag even the ones at Sprint store even the ones one youtube videos EXCEPT yours. Good to know. Also I like your post count, cutie.
have to admit t-mobile has been banging out the sweet phones !
werxen = sprint whiner
Cutie.. thanks.. u sound gay! lol.. its true.. and u still complaning just quit sprint already then.. damn!
I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO
My evo doesn't lag and I get superb battery life. I also have people always getting all googly eyed over it. I also believe gingerbread will really amp up the evo even more and should solve all your lag problems that may exist.
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I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO
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Huh? Now that I think about it... nope!
i likes my phone
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Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.
Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.
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Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.
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The Optimus One line is actually pretty impressive for a sometimes free low end phone. It has the same amount of RAM as the EVO and the same GPU as the EVO but runs at almost half the resolution. This results to some pretty impressive performance. Stuff like the 3D gallery app and 3D maps in Google Maps runs much smoother than on the EVO. The only thing holding it back is the CPU (600 MHz ARMv6 vs. 1 GHz A8) but even then the design of the chip is not that different than that of the Snapdragon (Modem/FPU co-processor).
The EVO for the most part is pretty good, and probably still one of the best featured phones out even 6 months later. Nothing on it really stands out as best in it's class but it's okay, the only issue is the GPU - it sucks. You can't run LWs and still be at 55 FPS (most of the time it drops to under 30), some games run pretty awful, and some apps don't run as smooth. Everything runs but when you have a newer phone right next to it you can really feel the difference. And the benchmarks speak for themselves, the SGS/NS is 4x better and the Droids are 2x better. That's just the way it is.
The new EVO Shift is not just another EVO though. It's a Desire Z with WiMax and a EVO looking front. It still has the newer 45nm 800 MHz Qualcomm CPU that beats out the EVO by a little and the newer Adreno 205 GPU that is about 3-4x better. It's a ugly looking phone and a little late but performance wise it's still on par with any phone released today.
@ Award Tour : Yep... Droid 1/ Droid 2/ Droid X (and the new droids like Droid Pro) all do 2x better than the Evo. That is enough. It doesn't even need to outdo the Galaxy S phones because it really doesn't matter at that point. All other games run fine mostly because those games are coded for Iphone first generally, with similar GPU.
And Evo Shift has better GPU so it's an okay upgrade cause that's the only thing I really care about.
Cause really, everything else is software. And custom Roms do the job.
And I like HTC phones because they upgrade fairly quickly compared to other companies and release decent phones with GREAT development backing.
But then again I also hate them because they latch onto old hardware sometimes (Qualcomm... thanks) and don't optimize their current software sometimes.
patelkedar91 said:
Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.
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The Adreno 200 GPU as it is now (both from a hardware and software perspective) sucks. I don't ever expect it to perform as well as the newer stuff (it just doesn't have the specs) but there's still hope for better performance. It seems that the drivers were ultra buggy (from CM work on 2.3) and if you replace the Adreno 200 drivers with the newer Adreno 205 drivers, 2D performance increases by like 100% but unfortunately it completely breaks 3D rendering.
Maybe with the upcoming Google provided 2.3 Adreno 200 drivers (which I got to assume fixes those bug CM ran into) plus the core graphic performance in 2.3 we may see some new life in this GPU. At least I hope so.
Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.
rumor has it a really great superphone running webos 2.0 may come to sprint by june. myself im leaving for at&t or tmobile and going to try out a wp7 device.
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Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.
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I own a iPhone 4, and I'm not going to lie, it runs and performs perfectly but that's expected when you only have to optimize the software for a few devices. But it's not the best hardware available either. The SGS was released around the same time and had a GPU that was twice as fast, the cameras were just about as good and sometimes better. The Droid X at around that time had the same exact GPU, and now the newer HTC phones (Desire HD, Z, MT4G, G2) all have GPUs that are twice as fast as well. The CPU in the iPhone 4 was a 800 MHz Cortex A8, and every high end Android around that time had the same Cortex A8 but clocked at 1 GHz (and now more) so it was never the fastest; I also wouldn't be surprised if the Snapdragon chip design beats Apple's A4 head to head when both clocked at 1 GHz.
TBH, most of the blame for performance lies directly with Android. It's just not that fast performance wise. The iPhone 4 is down clocked CPU wise, has a "mid level high end" mobile GPU (PowerVR SGX 535), and runs at a higher resolutions but still runs circles around the Nexus S. Hell, for a even strong example look at WP7. It uses the same crap Adreno 200 as the first gen Snapdragon (what the EVO has) and runs waaaaaaaayyyyyy smoother.
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The hardware is nice and all but I don't care at all for the 3D features and I haven't even owned my Shift that long.
Doesnt look all that awesome to me. For one thing I dont understand why the Iphone camera takes twice as good of photos as any HTC phone. Also, to me the phone kinda looks ugly. I'm gonna wait and see what other phones come out in the next year or so. I just wish sprint got more of a variety of HTC phones like T-mobile etc.
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Doesnt look all that awesome to me. For one thing I dont understand why the Iphone camera takes twice as good of photos as any HTC phone. Also, to me the phone kinda looks ugly. I'm gonna wait and see what other phones come out in the next year or so. I just wish sprint got more of a variety of HTC phones like T-mobile etc.
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ya i'd definitely prefer the sensation, WAYYYY better camera. I have a really good deal on sprint right now so evo 3d for me
I agree the Evo 3D is an ugly device. The 3D feature, to me, is just a gimmick and doesn't really improve functionality. Hardware sounds nice minus the two ugly cameras on the back.
Samsung has a horrible track record, but the Galaxy S 2 Variants are really tempting.
I am getting mine tomorrow. Sadly my Shift just cant handle some of the intense CPU tasks I need it to handle. It was a good ride though fellas, thanks for all the good times and ROMs.
opted out of the ns4g 30 day window for the gf and got her the 3d. the 3d may be a gimmick, but I guarantee you will play with that feature a ton...its very cool. Other than that the phone is fast, almost as fast as my rooted shift with shiftdeck rom (benchmark of 2650 or so)
I considered the E3D for about 5 seconds, then I remembered how much I love my Shift. E3D has nice hardware, but not a significant increase of performance to warrant trading up.
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Evo SHIFT 3D?
I just played with my coworker's Evo3D - decent device and the 3D is quite a bit cooler than I expected, honestly. Our phone, the Shift, is not exactly small / skinny, but the 3D is downright chunky.
Nice hardware, but I'm totally satisfied with my Shift.
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traded the gf's ns4g in before her 30days were up on the 3d. Its definitely not gimmicky and is pretty damn fast. My rooted oc'd shift barely beats it in the benchmarks i've tried. Its bigger than the shift but not as fat. I bought the shift over the evo4g because I pocket carry and wear dress pants all day. When my 12 months is up(end of the year) the 3d is the front runner for a new phone.