Hi
So I'm new to these forums and I have some questions.
I would like to run Android on my HTC Touch, but I'm not quite sure if it's possible. I started reading some threads but it's really confusing.
As far as I understand the HTC Touch and the Vogue are practically the same, except that the Touch is GSM, and the Vogue is CDMA. All of the tutorials that I find state that a CDMA Phone is needed, so I guess it's not possible to boot Android on a GSM?
So mine is a Regular HTC Touch, with a SIM Card, so it's a GSM Phone...
Is it possible to run Android on it, and how?
I hope you can help me.
Greets and thanks in advance.
The GSM version of the HTC Touch is known as the HTC Elf, while the CDMA version is known as the HTC Vogue
The Vogue has twice the ROM and RAM of the Elf (256mb ROM and 128mb RAM in the Vogue vs 128mb ROM and 64mb RAM in the Elf). The Vogue also has a 400mhz processor vs the 200mhz one in the Elf.
As for Android on your Elf, take a look at these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385129
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=554479
The poster above is absolutely right. In fact, the only similar thing between the Vogue and the Elf is the outer body... the internals are completely different.
Thanks for these quick answers.
So basically Android on a HTC Elf is possible, but it's not really a smart thing to do ...
Why not a smart thing to do. Even I was thinking to load an Android ROM on my Vogue.
puneet_july30 said:
Why not a smart thing to do. Even I was thinking to load an Android ROM on my Vogue.
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Vogue has no issues. Keep in mind that the build must match the device. HaReT basically is processor driven, which means that if you are not sending the right instructions to the right processor, it simply will not work. Why am I saying this? Processor for Vogue and Elf are different.
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Is it me, or has the herald never gotten popular? And why not? I mean it's a smaller, faster and better Wizard. Comparing to the activity on the Wizard or even the big, chubby Hermes, this sub forum is close to dead! I dont get it.
I'm thinking that too, cause If we see the other forums, the others PDA has a lot of movement in their forums. I think that model is so great, better than other models like the models that you said.
It's just a matter of time. When I joined this forum I already had my HTC Prophet for some time and the community was similar in size and activity like the Herald's now. If you have a look at the Prophet forum now its pretty huge and active, too. It also depends on the prices those devices are sold so people will jump faster on them. The Prophet is avaible for just 10€ with a provider contract here in Germany, the Herald not even close. At least we have some very active users already on our side experimenting in putting cooked ROMs on our beloved Herald's. Sooner or later we we will be able to choose which custom ROM we want to put on our devices.
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It's just a matter of time. When I joined this forum I already had my HTC Prophet for some time and the community was similar in size and activity like the Herald's now. If you have a look at the Prophet forum now its pretty huge and active, too. It also depends on the prices those devices are sold so people will jump faster on them. The Prophet is avaible for just 10€ with a provider contract here in Germany, the Herald not even close. At least we have some very active users already on our side experimenting in putting cooked ROMs on our beloved Herald's. Sooner or later we we will be able to choose which custom ROM we want to put on our devices.
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Yep -i guess also. The wing in america is our chance for cooked roms. Because german romcooker are not very presented (look at ppc-welt.com)
Except you and me - lol
So what can the folks with the Wizard do that we can't as far as ROMs? I just quit using my Wizard (or should I say it quit), and bought my Herald. From everything I see it's the same phone internally. So doesn't it make sense to be able to use a cooked Wizard ROM in a Herald? Of course I don't have the balls to try this myself to see if it works, that's why I'm asking the question.
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So what can the folks with the Wizard do that we can't as far as ROMs? I just quit using my Wizard (or should I say it quit), and bought my Herald. From everything I see it's the same phone internally. So doesn't it make sense to be able to use a cooked Wizard ROM in a Herald? Of course I don't have the balls to try this myself to see if it works, that's why I'm asking the question.
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Wizard uses an "old" os file version = nbf
herald uses = nbh
and the nbh files have to be signed. and we cannot singd it.
That´s the difference. It is not such eays like oin wizard and on hermes they got a prefabricated bootloader with supercid.
for herald they amde it better like for vista etc.
MS is learning how to save their devices
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Wizard uses an "old" os file version = nbf
herald uses = nbh
and the nbh files have to be signed. and we cannot singd it.
That´s the difference. It is not such eays like oin wizard and on hermes they got a prefabricated bootloader with supercid.
for herald they amde it better like for vista etc.
MS is learning how to save their devices
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Exactly, the newer devices follow a higher protected filessystem.
The differences might look minor, but they are effective from being modified.
As papamopps said, its comparable with WinXP's to WinVista's protection.
But I'm certain we will have our custom ROM some time soon.
Other XDA communities like PDAMobiz or PDAViet and many others
are having their hands on HTC devices, so I wouldn't worry much,
at least we will get official WM6 ROMs and that's something.
It's just a matter of time... the Wing is the hottest selling PDAphone so far in the US.
And believe me, I bring up custom ROMs for the Herald/Atlas/Wing every chance I get!
-Richard
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It's just a matter of time... the Wing is the hottest selling PDAphone so far in the US.
And believe me, I bring up custom ROMs for the Herald/Atlas/Wing every chance I get!
-Richard
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Yippeeehhhh
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Yippeeehhhh
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I second that!
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I second that!
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It's just a matter of time... i agreee
the ship rom sucks
I also hink it's only a matter of time but for the time been I have had the herald (tmobile Wing) for 3 days and I am soooooo frudtrated with the lack of program memory (not storage memory) on this thing it's a nice phone but geeees the rom on it sucks I cant even have half the programs I had on my Wizard installed 15 programs and the 16th one was igo gps nav and it wont run unless I do a soft reset from lack of memory so i am thinking to go back to the Wizard untill I REAL custom rom is available without all the T-Mobile crap in it I tried to get some of the stuff out but not much luck most of the Tmobile stuff is par of the rom as far as I can tell. 3 days and I really miss the core 2.0n I have on the wizard WHAT A DIFFERENCE.
Not sure if i agree about best selling, Dash still outsells the wing in my area of the us Minnesota. The low memory issues is still really annoying me. official rom is out there somewhere?
With the latest rom from the danish retailer Dangaard, my P4350 is running quite well, haven't had memory problems since flashing it.
Well i guess the people are getting confused by the herald... i bought it because i knew that there is an dual core inside + windows mobile 6! If you don't know that the processor is a dual core, then 201Mhz just seem to be a bit low... i'm running them now on 260Mhz - kinda battery drain, but the speed is awesome! DVD watching *jammi*
The WM6 fixed a lot of bugs and added features, that are very handy + it has long time support, because of the "windows mobile update" option.
FZZF said:
I also hink it's only a matter of time but for the time been I have had the herald (tmobile Wing) for 3 days and I am soooooo frudtrated with the lack of program memory (not storage memory) on this thing it's a nice phone but geeees the rom on it sucks I cant even have half the programs I had on my Wizard installed 15 programs and the 16th one was igo gps nav and it wont run unless I do a soft reset from lack of memory so i am thinking to go back to the Wizard untill I REAL custom rom is available without all the T-Mobile crap in it I tried to get some of the stuff out but not much luck most of the Tmobile stuff is par of the rom as far as I can tell. 3 days and I really miss the core 2.0n I have on the wizard WHAT A DIFFERENCE.
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lol? 192 ROM + 64 RAM ain't enough?
Ok, i got a 2GB Mini SD for 20€ in it, but even though... 192 MB should be enough for adding programs...
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Well i guess the people are getting confused by the herald... i bought it because i knew that there is an dual core inside + windows mobile 6! If you don't know that the processor is a dual core, then 201Mhz just seem to be a bit low... i'm running them now on 260Mhz - kinda battery drain, but the speed is awesome! DVD watching *jammi*
The WM6 fixed a lot of bugs and added features, that are very handy + it has long time support, because of the "windows mobile update" option.
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Dual Core? lol- where did you get this wisdom?
TI-OMAP 850 Specifications:
Power + Expandability
Processor: Texas Instruments OMAP 850 Dual Core 200 MHz CPU
Memory: 128MB ROM, 64 RAM;
Expansion: One SDIO/SD/MMC Slot, Bluetooth 2,0
Operating System: Windows Mobile 5 Pocket PC Phone Edition
Features
Camera: 2.0 MP Stills, Macro Mode, low-resolution video.
Wireless: 'Wi-fi' 802.11b/g, Bluetooth 2.0 (No EDR, Class 2), Infra-red
Phone: GSM/GPRS Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Phone Data: EDGE EGPRS Class B
Battery: 1200mAh Li-Ion
Physical Aspects
Weight: about 150g, 5.29 oz
Dimensions: 4.25" x 2.28" x 0.72", (108 x 58 x 18 mm)
Audio Jack: 2.5mm Phone Audio Jack
Display: 2.8" (7,1cm) 240x320 16-Bit TFT/TFD Transflective
Connector: Mini-USB
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(from the prophet ones)
german source:
http://www.computerbase.de/news/consumer_electronics/kommunikation/2007/april/o2_xda_htc_herald_mai/
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...the processor is a dual core...
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I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the OMAP850 is not a dual core processor. The Texas Instruments page doesn't state it anywhere. Link to TI OMAP850 site
Yeah - after 30minutes of researching i found that out too... but why does the xda-developers wiki state a dual core in the prohpet running on TI 850?
Why does this forum suck compared to the Elf's forum? That's a serious question.. no fooling around here
o and will stuff in that other forum work with the Vogue?
#1 because the GSM Touch has been out over a year, and now that the Vogue has come out, a lot of Cell Providers have decided to name it the Touch (ie Sprint Touch is actually HTC Vogue) which confuses a lot of people. If you go to ppcgeeks.com you will find that 95% of the people in the HTC Touch Forum are actually HTC Vogue users, but in the USA it's been called the Touch, so everybody is there. So that's why I spend most of my time over there.
#2 Most of it will not because the HTC Touch and the HTC Vogue are completely different devices. The Touch runs at around 200MHZ while the Vogue runs at 400MHZ. The Touch has something like 64MB or storage while the Vogue has 256MB. Different architecture, thus different ROMs, customizations, etc.
Thanks Musicman that was really helpful. Didn't realize there would be so much of a difference.
Nor did I. Good info to know!
Will be able to use wm7 with the wing?
probably not
it's gonna require more resources than wm6/6.1. also, because theres no accelerometer or a good camera, all the really fun stuff won't work
whoa, whoa. accelerometer? why is that in a phone? i guess like the iphone? wow, i need some information on wm7, where can i find such information?
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Will be able to use wm7 with the wing?
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WM7 isn't coming out till 2009 anyways, so i woudn't worry about running it on a Wing, casue by then you(and the rest of us) will probably have brought a new phone already. And even if you did preserve your Wing till then, it will most likely, not be able to handle WM7. The newer phones, like Xpera, Raphael or Diamond are already putting the Wing and Kaiser to shame. Things like a lack of VGA or higher resolution screen, lack of huge RAM capacity, lack of powerfull procceser, lack of an accelerometer are just some of the things that make the wing incompatible with the Diamond interface itself, let alone WM7.
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whoa, whoa. accelerometer? why is that in a phone? i guess like the iphone? wow, i need some information on wm7, where can i find such information?
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Yes accelerometer is "like the iPhone". An accelerometer lets you phone detect motion to allow motion sensitive features. HTC's newest phones(Diamond and Raphael) including this feature and so does Xperia.
and from what i hear, the kaiser isn't that hard to "put to shame"
in fact, except for the increase in ram, i'm told they act just like 200mhz OMAPs
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and from what i hear, the kaiser isn't that hard to "put to shame"
in fact, except for the increase in ram, i'm told they act just like 200mhz OMAPs
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not completely ture, the Kaiser features a 400mhz proccesor and twice the RAM so it should be,in theory, twice as fast as the wing. Plus it has 3G, GPS, increased ROM etc. etc....
im with you. wm7 definitively will require a powerful device
there are always hardware mods.
it shouldnt be that hard to add an accelerometer to the Wing. i know its not impossible.
it should also be possibible to replace the camera and screen with a better quality one.
it all comes down to this:
if you want wm 7 on your wing, your gonna have to hardware mod it (if you even still have a wing by 09')
im planning on getting another Wing. This means i will have a spare. I will hardware mod the damn thing myself if i have to.
Midian said:
there are always hardware mods.
it shouldnt be that hard to add an accelerometer to the Wing. i know its not impossible.
it should also be possibible to replace the camera and screen with a better quality one.
it all comes down to this:
if you want wm 7 on your wing, your gonna have to hardware mod it (if you even still have a wing by 09')
im planning on getting another Wing. This means i will have a spare. I will hardware mod the damn thing myself if i have to.
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might as well, just buy a new phone...............hardware modding isn't as easy as flashing a ROM, HTC spends months engineering their phones, it's not as easy as you make it seem to add custom features to them.
i read that wm7 will actually use the camera instead of accelerometers. i seems like it won't work when the phone is facing something that is a solid color. oh well, i'm sure they'll get it
HW modding isnt that easy, or anyone could "mod" their hardwares
(i will mod my Herald to run Windows XP Embedded)
i would mod mine to run symbian just for the heck of it. i mean, why not?
WM 6.1 on tmobile wing
question can i install windows mobile 6.1 on my tmobile wing? and how can i get it???
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question can i install windows mobile 6.1 on my tmobile wing? and how can i get it???
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go to the Herald, forum and look for instructions to flashing a Custom ROM. Then go to the Herald ROM Development section and pick a ROM, all the new ones are WM6.1. I personally use and reccomend ItsPapablackdiamond by pappamos.
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i read that wm7 will actually use the camera instead of accelerometers. i seems like it won't work when the phone is facing something that is a solid color. oh well, i'm sure they'll get it
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T-Mobile and HTC didn't even give us WM 6.1, which are devices are perfect with, the geniuses at XDA forums had to get it themselves, and our phones aren't even gonna be compatible with WM7, forget about getting it from official sorces. And by the way, the idea of using your camera as a motion detector has existed for a while and it was ruled out beacuase, it would require ridiculous battery, RAM and CPU usage. Besides al the new phones have built-in accelerometers, anyways.
As the title suggests I am wondering just how different the nike is to the vogue... will this android http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625052 run on it? Or would there need to be alterations...
I have tried running some vogue files on the nike and it doesn't seem to work too well, so was wondering if anyone knew why this is?
Cheers!
Android Versions from Vogue will work,
Android isn't running very well on both devices, I think on the nike it's worser because till now there wasn't any development specificly for the Nike
Check the Nike ROMs Forums or the quite useful Wiki.
You will find instructions and info what works/doesn't work there.
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Android Versions from Vogue will work,
Android isn't running very well on both devices, I think on the nike it's worser because till now there wasn't any development specificly for the Nike
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ATM on Vogue about everything works, Nike lacks Cam/Bluetooth/NANDinstallation.
Call me old-fashioned, but I'm wondering if it is possible to have Windows Mobile on HTC Hero - not as a dual boot, but instead of Android?
Are there any chefs out there developing Windows Mobile ROMs for the Hero?
I currently have HC Diamond and have been a very happy user of Makevaral's BsB ROMs, but I am getting HTC Hero on upgrade so I'm wondering if I can get WM on it.
I didn't put this question in the "Android Development" forum because it's not the development of Android that I am asking about.
Thanks.
Not possible, there are other threads on it if you search.
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Call me old-fashioned, but I'm wondering if it is possible to have Windows Mobile on HTC Hero - not as a dual boot, but instead of Android?
Are there any chefs out there developing Windows Mobile ROMs for the Hero?
I currently have HC Diamond and have been a very happy user of Makevaral's BsB ROMs, but I am getting HTC Hero on upgrade so I'm wondering if I can get WM on it.
I didn't put this question in the "Android Development" forum because it's not the development of Android that I am asking about.
Thanks.
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Hero may be a downgrade then, worse screen.
I had the diamond...
Hero with android is so much better
With 2.1 Rom.. it kills the HTC Diamond
i have had the Td2 and the hero and the hero wins easily!
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Old-Fashioned !
since there are (from the hardware specs point of view) great winmo phones, why would you want to go through the trouble of putting winmo on a hero? the hero is a great phone, but if you want winmo (god knows why...) just get a winmo phone, you'll save yourself a lot of trouble.
this is not bashing, this is asking why.
1. don't get the Hero if you're happy with windows mobile. no point.
2. get the Hero and forget about that crap.
ex owner of Diamond here
Sent from my Hero using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
winmo is immposible to install on hero becasue of hardware and kernel ..
Why would you want to spoil your Hero by installing an outdated clunky OS, that MS are soon abandoning? I used to have the TD - the Hero is just so much better for both hardware and software.
As others have said if you want to stick with WM there are plenty of HTC WM phones out there - get one of those instead of the Hero
buy a fake chinese hero which is identical to hero (I think - only saw it on a video) and has winmo 6.5 pro
Thanks for your answers.
The reason I was asking is because I've taken Orange up on an offer of a HTC Hero free as an upgrade. I was initially going to sell it because of my old-fashioned nature and wanting to stick with MS. But then I thought of asking about the ROM just in case.
"an outdated clunky OS, that MS are soon abandoning?" - I hope you are right, that MS are indeed abandoning it in favour of Windows Phone 7. I hope it's a complete re-write of the code, rather than what MS usually do and regenerate old code and put it into "new" OS's.
Thanks
I might have a play around with the Hero to see if I like it.
Windows mobile 7 is completely new, but will not work on any existing handsets.
back to android.
Android is great, fully customisable and there is no reason not to love it.
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The reason I was asking is because I've taken Orange up on an offer of a HTC Hero free as an upgrade. I was initially going to sell it .
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Exactly what happened with me - it was going on Ebay and I was keeping the TD, until I made one mistake and did this
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I might have a play around with the Hero to see if I like it.
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One little play and I was hooked.
In use the capacitive screen is so much better - do not believe those who say it is a worse screen because it has less resolution. In fact ease of use of the screen is the one thing that I always envied iphone users for when I watched them swipe easily between screens without ever accidently switching on an app.
And Android, especially with HTC's SenseUI, is much better than WM. Because of the WM interface (which HTC did their best to hide) I used my TD mainly as a phone and did not get the best out of it because of that. Now I use my Hero for a lot more. And I have not missed my old stylus one bit - I just let my fingers do the walking.
Let us know how you get on with your little play - try the market and see how easy it is to get all sorts of weird and wonderful apps that you never realised you needed, but you will find indispensible once you've got them. I bet you will be androided.