I wish to purchase the EVO, but to use it in Europe we need to chage the radio
actually it use the
CDMA 800/1900 MHz
while here we use
HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
so i was wondering if there's any chanse to change the default radio,may be with the HD2 europe, maybe ?
any other idea ?
I don't believe it can be done. The evo uses a CDMA network and you need a gsm network to run in Europe, so you would need new hardware within the phone. So the evo won't work but the HD2 i believe may work. I had a friend who went out to europe and it worked for him while he was there.
Thnx for the reply, so i can put a boulder on it
we have the HD2 but i really wish to have and EVO... farewell.
i still wait for something more ^_^
IIRC the HD 2 is pretty similar to the evo and I think someone got android running on it. You should google that.
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Funny that there isn't a European version of the EVO.
Looking at the inside LINK: (iFixit), for developers, wouldn't it be just as easy to make one with a HSPA/WCDMA/GSM chipset?
(see CDMA chip on second page on iFixit)...
Still waiting for a European version of the EVO!........
Check this
http://hyfeno.com/htc-evo-unlocked-unlock-code/
Once you have unlocked your EVO it should work with 3...
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Despite lacking the latest 1GHz or 1.3GHz chips & bigger 4.3" screen seen on other soon-to-be-released devices, the Desire Z turned into my attention because I've been eagerly waiting for the next HTC phone with keyboard *and* decent screen/chip
But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
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Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
Colateral Q:
Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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gtrab said:
Despite lacking the latest 1GHz or 1.3GHz chips & bigger 4.3" screen seen on other soon-to-be-released devices, the Desire Z turned into my attention because I've been eagerly waiting for the next HTC phone with keyboard *and* decent screen/chip
But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
Q:
Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
Colateral Q:
Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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A1: No, the Desire Z is a Europe and Asia only phone. The G2 is the American version and is for T-Mobile. And I highly doubt that they will be making a Desire Z version for the states like they did with Cellular South which came about 6 months after the initial European launch.
A2: Haha, HTC are not 'always avoiding' those bands when launching, it comes down to your carriers over in the states always demanding exclusivity for devices so that's why they are not coming out with those bands.
My tip, move to Europe where the carrier doesn't dictate what phones you can get
So I haven't ran across much talk on the cellular south desire. I'm thinking about a upgrade next month from my hero. Just wondering is it worth it?
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I read recently (probably on the Whirlpool forums) that the Desire HD has been picked up by Vodafone and Three, and that we might be able to infer that the Desire Z will go to Telstra and Optus.
During a support call with Telstra (regarding their stubborn refusal to start offering OTA updates, or even acknowledge that it's both technically feasible and being used overseas), I asked them about the Desire Z and all they would say is that they don't have a department that responds to questions about future devices. /shrug
Guess we'll find out when everyone else does.
I too have been waiting impatiently for HTC's next NAM 3G qwerty, I'm still holding on with my HTC Dream lol
This is the only lead we have so far on a HTC Desire Z with NAM 3G:
Not much to go by but it's a bit of hope.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2010/09/18/htc-desire-z-leather-case-pops-up-in-best-buy-canada-inventory/
HTC said it will be arriving in "North America" later this year, whatever that means, we can only speculate, but it would make sense if they made a 850/1900 3G version would it with one of Canada's big 3 (Bell, Telus, Rogers - all operating on 3G 850/1900)?
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But as expected, the Desire Z, is being launched with 900/2100 MHz 3G bands only, as near every new HTC phone does
Q:
Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
Colateral Q:
Why is HTC always "avoiding" those bands when launching a new phone ??
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Nearly every phone? I'm sorry, under which rock in America have you just emerged from? The MT Slide isn't even released outside of America. The Hero is 3 different flavours depending on your carrier. You have the HTC Evo which is the version before the Desire HD with extremely similar specs, the Droid incredible that can only be had through Verizon and now the Desire plus the G2 which is the T-Mobile version of the Desire Z not to mention America had exclusive rights to the Nexus One for months.
It wouldn't make much financial sense for HTC to make a NextG specific version just for Telstra because the market isn't big enough here. An American carrier (AT&T) would have to pick it up as well but then they are going to insist on exclusive rights and blah blah blah and at the end of it it would just end up with Bing or Yahoo on it anyway.
Avoiding bands..... um look at my first response, oh and the Legend is making its way to America as well.
Let me disagree
Your statement is valid for USA only, not for America
Those phones you mention are T-Mobile or Verizon only
Those are USA operators running over very particular bands (1700 MHz and CDMA)
The UMTS (WCDMA) 850/1900 MHz bands are what I am talking about
These bands are widely used from canada to central/south america and the caribbean, plus australia
You will rarely see a 3G-quadband (or at least 3G 850/1900MHz) new phone coming out from HTC, no, they all come with 3G 900/2100
Then, some months after, they *may* release an american/australian version of *that* new phone
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I didn't realise this, but we have a new iPhone4 in the office for testing, and the version sold here in Australia has support for all the 3G bands used here. That means this single device can have a Telstra NextG SIM, and then be swapped for an Optus SIM and still get full 3G speeds.
Makes me wish Android manufacturers would go the extra mile and make more devices like this. It definitely makes life easy for the consumer, although does strip carriers of some of their lock-in powers (so I can see why they wouldn't like it).
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Any news or rumours of an american bands (850/1900) users friendly version soon ??
May Telstra or AT&T could be carrying it too ??
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You probably know already, but...:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2597&view=1&c=htc_desire_z_us_htc_vision
Thanks, yeah, pdadb is my primary source
Lets hope to see some news from att, rogers, telus, telstra or HTC themselves soon
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Ok. Im a little new for all the different terms with a cell phone radio and all that. But theres something that i just cant seem to get a grip on. The US HD2 supports only the 1700/2100mhz for UMTS. Which means all of us ATT users cant have the use of 3g and i believe it hinders the use of the HD2 here on ATT. Theres a few things I cant seem to understand and some things I need technical expertise on:
Ive been reading about the hd2 and i found that the cellular modem is built inside the snapdragon processor. (found that from qualcomm and on pdadb.net)
If the processor is the same for both models why cant it accept the umts850 and 1900 mhz bands?
Answer to that: Im told its hard-coded on the 3g chips and cant be changed.
Question to that answer: Why is there a ROM update for the Dopod HD2 that in fact ADDS support for the UMTS900 MHZ band? If its hard-coded on the chip then why is there a software update for it? Can that update be somehow modified to add umts 850/1900/etc band support. its just some of the specs and things ive found online (mostly here at XDA) just dont seem to add up.
My overall summary:
Processors are both the QSD8250 which supports ALL GSM types (by that i dont mean all freq. bands.) So the cellular modem inside the phones are the same.
Different basebands on the different models when its "hard-coded" on the phones themselves.
Why a software update adding support for another baseband freq?
Someone please elighten me. I just think that theres more to this whole baseband thing than we know since we seem to believe one thing, but theres other official work that disproves those claims.
I use:
TMO HD2 (HardSPL'd and unlocked to AT&T)
WM ROM: Omega XT V14
Android ROM: Mdeejay's Froyo Sense 3.1
Radio: 50.4 version.
The reason the Dopod HD2 got that software update is because that band was always there, but WinMo couldn't utilize it. What you have read about the processor being locked to band X/X is completely correct. The T-Mobile US HD2 will only ever support 1700/2100 because thats what revision of Snapdragon it's using. The Dopod model is using a different revision and always had support for the 900 band. The only way the US HD2 will ever get 3G on ATT is if ATT switches to the 1700 band, or if the processor is upgraded. If you really wan't 3G that bad, I would look into getting an international HD2 as some of them do indeed support ATT 3G.
Ok but if all 3 (us,Telstra,and dopod) use the qsd8250b then wouldnt they all be able to add support for other frequencies that the 3g chip can use or is it that there's different antenna types for different regions or somethin?
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What I mean is that, when they are makeing the processors for each board revision, IE the US and EU boards, they enable or disable the frequencies at a hardware level. You can't just flip a switch and have that feature turned on, its not that simple. The processor type is the QSD8205B, but there are many different internal revisions. The antenna's for GSM networks are more or less the same, no matter what the frequency.
ahh see thats what i was thinking... (darn it got my hopes up for nothin) I do wanna get the international but i dont have 500+ to spend and i doubt i can trade in this hd2 for the telstra one, but boy would it be nice (we have a 3g microcell and id like to be inside my house to be able to make a call, even though inside i have 2 bars sometimes and it wont call at all)
Dang it ATT. You and your messed up networks.....
Mourer09 said:
i doubt i can trade in this hd2 for the telstra one, but boy would it be nice (we have a 3g microcell and id like to be inside my house to be able to make a call, even though inside i have 2 bars sometimes and it wont call at all)
Dang it ATT. You and your messed up networks.....
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You would be surprised. People might trade due to the fact that the US version has double the internal memory..
Well if anyone would trade please pm me I could throw in like 50-100 cash if you have something worth it please.
crisisinthecity said:
You would be surprised. People might trade due to the fact that the US version has double the internal memory..
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Do you know how much this slows down the speed / performance of the T-Mo HD2?
I got an HD2 specifically to move away from the lag so many winmo devices have and never looked back since. I'm on ATT and it would definately be nice to have 3G.
okay so i reacently read on engadget that att bought qualcomms 700mhz band or soemthign like that. would that mean we get 3g or soemthing liek that?
Most likely 4g. (Why would they want a second 3g network) And if thats the case, there is NO hd2 anywhere which can handle 700mhz,
FIT4C said:
Do you know how much this slows down the speed / performance of the T-Mo HD2?
I got an HD2 specifically to move away from the lag so many winmo devices have and never looked back since. I'm on ATT and it would definately be nice to have 3G.
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Buy yourself a HTC HD2 T8585, this is supported on ATT 3G network.
I got 1690 down / 2201 up
with my TMO HD2 on ATT
I got 70 up / 226 down
YMMV
qqdawg said:
Buy yourself a HTC HD2 T8585, this is supported on ATT 3G network.
I got 1690 down / 2201 up
with my TMO HD2 on ATT
I got 70 up / 226 down
YMMV
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I would love to get my hands on a T8585, however don't have the $500+ extra available funds for one. Sometime this year I will track one down. It's a great backup phone to my Dell Streak, especially since now we can boot to Android directly.
qqdawg said:
Buy yourself a HTC HD2 T8585, this is supported on ATT 3G network.
I got 1690 down / 2201 up
with my TMO HD2 on ATT
I got 70 up / 226 down
YMMV
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The T8585 is the model that TmoUS sells. It definitely does NOT support 3g on AT&T!
hitekredneck said:
The T8585 is the model that TmoUS sells. It definitely does NOT support 3g on AT&T!
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No it is not, the T8585 is the Euro version of the HD2 (512 LEO)
From SamSamuel on XDA
T9193 is the telstra and uses
GSM 850/900/1800/1900, WCDMA 850/2100MHz
T8585 is the regular HD2 and uses
GSM 850/900/1800/1900, UMTS 900/2100MHz
Not sure what the model number of the tmous is (PB81120 is the model ID) and it works on
GSM850/900/1800/1900, UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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European/Asian/TmoUS HD2 (aka T8585) = NO workie on AT&T 3G
Telstra HD2 (aka T9193) = YES workie on AT&T 3G
There, hopefully that's better for the everyone who are still confuse of which is which.
lude219 said:
European/Asian/TmoUS HD2 (aka T8585) = NO workie on AT&T 3G
Telstra HD2 (aka T9193) = YES workie on AT&T 3G
There, hopefully that's better for the everyone who are still confuse of which is which.
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and T 9193 is for Australia with 512rom
coldest~~~ said:
and T 9193 is for Australia with 512rom
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Only the TmoUS HD2 has 1024 ROM. The rest has 512, yes.
Just wondering if the MyTouch 4G is Band I 2100 UMTS compatible with Japanese phone company Softbank.
I know the G2 is so I think the MyTouch is just wondering ^_^
Yes its compatible just unlock your phone
Thanks, just wanted to make sure ^_^
Getting one for my brother and he is stationed in Japan.
No problem ,since the company that you mention carries official iPhone meaning they run gsm so it should work
jeff7790 said:
No problem ,since the company that you mention carries official iPhone meaning they run gsm so it should work
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Right, but I know the Nexus One from T-Mobile was only compatible with Softbank. But the G2 and Mytouch 4G both have a similar antenna so I just assumed it was ok.
Hi @ all
I want to get this phone, but now it is only available in the US, not in europe....
i think, like the most of the htcs, the shift won't be selled in europe....
Can anybody tell me who sells this phone without a deal of Sprint?
(onlinestore prefered)
i already looked for it at amazon, but the only offer i found was with deal of sprint....
thanking you in anticipation!
Just try Best Buy! App is available in the market
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ipalermo said:
Just try Best Buy! App is available in the market
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i just found their hp, but also only with plan of sprint
You can buy any phone without a contract. That doesn't mean ur carrier will support it tho. Just expect to pay full price on it
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If you're planning on using the phone in Europe be careful. Most providers in Europe are gsm which sprint is cdma. Only a couple countries in Europe/middle east operate with cdma towers. Don't quote me but I believe Israel and areas around there use cdma but then again you have know the frequencies also to make sure its the same cdma. Kinda how it is with sprint and Verizon. Cdma but different frequencies. 800,900,1800,1900...etc etc. Correct me if I'm wrong if anyone has any more insite on this topic.
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why not get the desire z?
pretty much the same phone
onefasttreopro said:
If you're planning on using the phone in Europe be careful. Most providers in Europe are gsm which sprint is cdma. Only a couple countries in Europe/middle east operate with cdma towers. Don't quote me but I believe Israel and areas around there use cdma but then again you have know the frequencies also to make sure its the same cdma. Kinda how it is with sprint and Verizon. Cdma but different frequencies. 800,900,1800,1900...etc etc. Correct me if I'm wrong if anyone has any more insite on this topic.
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Some countries in South America use different frequencies.
Israel, parts of Korea, parts of Japan, parts of China, parts of India, and some of the small islands in that area use the same CDMA frequencies. There aren't many, really.
onefasttreopro said:
If you're planning on using the phone in Europe be careful. Most providers in Europe are gsm which sprint is cdma. Only a couple countries in Europe/middle east operate with cdma towers. Don't quote me but I believe Israel and areas around there use cdma but then again you have know the frequencies also to make sure its the same cdma. Kinda how it is with sprint and Verizon. Cdma but different frequencies. 800,900,1800,1900...etc etc. Correct me if I'm wrong if anyone has any more insite on this topic.
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damn, i didn't thought about this.....
you are right, CDMA is not supported in europe.
i read they started a test with CDMA in germany, but nothing more.
either i have to wait till a gsm-version is available (i didn't think so) or have to be satisfied with the desire z.....
Thank u guys for this "short" discussion!
Letstalk.com 89$ no tax with 2 year contract
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no problem, and yes the desire z would probably be your best bet if you're looking for a gsm comparable model of phone to the evo shift. good luck.
hello, i just bought a week ago and htc g2/ vision, had it unlocked so i can have another sim card thats not tmobiles in.
i live in el salvador and my carrier is tigo and calls are perfectly fine and all but data connections are only edge! and i have no idea why??? i also have a x10 mini and i use the same apn and it connects to 3g
anyone know why and how to fix it?
nonione said:
hello, i just bought a week ago and htc g2/ vision, had it unlocked so i can have another sim card thats not tmobiles in.
i live in el salvador and my carrier is tigo and calls are perfectly fine and all but data connections are only edge! and i have no idea why??? i also have a x10 mini and i use the same apn and it connects to 3g
anyone know why and how to fix it?
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Did you check to make sure what GSM frequencies the carrier uses (sorry not familiar with El Salvador)? This sounds very similar to people trying to use G2's on AT&T / iPhones on T-mobile. Not all GSM carriers use the same frequencies for their service. If voice is working, but 3G data is not, this is very likely the issue. For example, AT&T operates both 2g and 3g on 850/1900, whereas T-mobile operates 2g on 850/1900 and 3G on 1700/2100; hence why voice and Edge can work, but 3G cannot.
Poking around a little, the X10 mini world phone version has an 850/900/1800/1900 for edge and 1900/2100 frequency radio for 3G data connection, although there are AT&T versions with slightly different bands too, which you may have I'm not sure.
The G2 runs on T-mobile in the US and has a 850/900/1800/1900 for edge and 1700/2100 radio for 3G data.
All according to Wikipedia from what I can scrounge up right now.
BTW I feel proud that I did this research lol. Enlightening.
I think tigo is at 850, is there anything I can do at this point?
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nonione said:
I think tigo is at 850, is there anything I can do at this point?
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no, you cant add more mhz bands. You should have checked this out before you bought it.
nonione said:
I think tigo is at 850, is there anything I can do at this point?
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If Tigo doesn't run 1700/2100 3g, there isn't anything you can do short of selling your G2 and buying a European Desire Z (same as G2) with the proper frequencies assuming you want the same type of phone. Shoulda checked this out lol just cuz it has a SIM slot doesn't mean it "just works" haha. sorry!
Hahah damn I'm screwed lol yeah I guess ill have to buy a european version I love this phone too much
Thanks a lot fot the help!
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Sell it, buy the canadian bell Desire Z (A7275) and you'll be fine. Its your only option if you want to keep the same phone with 3g data.
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Canadian bell that sounds easier to get ill look for it thanks
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nonione said:
Hahah damn I'm screwed lol yeah I guess ill have to buy a european version I love this phone too much
Thanks a lot fot the help!
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i didnt realize the euro version had different bands
Mog said:
i didnt realize the euro version had different bands
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Well the USA, Canada, and Euro ones all have different bands, depending on the carriers they are generally made for. The issue with the Euro ones can be that they don't come with English out of the box either
martonikaj said:
Well the USA, Canada, and Euro ones all have different bands, depending on the carriers they are generally made for. The issue with the Euro ones can be that they don't come with English out of the box either
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even the uk ones?
Mog said:
even the uk ones?
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Hm? Well yes the UK ones are made for whatever bands the UK carriers run on.
Just how hard is it to have a G2 world phone? Can you add all possible bands?
I believe that the Canadian/European Desire Z is the world phone edition which carries band support for all GSM bands. It is the USA T-Mobile G2 that carries support for the GSM bands specifically for the US market. Correct me if I am wrong.
Regards.
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Just how hard is it to have a G2 world phone? Can you add all possible bands?
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No, you can't just add bands to a phone.