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T-mobile MDA Pro for £ 145.00 on 12 month contract!
Admittedly, the monthly plan is quite expensive, but there are seemingly many variations of contracts at so so prices....if you need a new contract anyway. Worth considering for some people.
read more here: http://www.txtin.com/1048_T-Mobile_Pay_Monthly_Mobile_Phones_Contract.html
Do T-Mobile actually offer 3G data services in the UK for non business users?
you can get it for £49.99 here
http://www.scancom.co.uk/product.php/473/330//b9ba7f9a56b4681f198b265373696eff
Owning both Orange and Vodafone datacards I still remain COMPLETELY unconvinved by 3G though.
Seems so. click the link above then follow the link at the bottom of that page 'All tariffs and promotions'. There it is explained what data tariff bundles one can get.
Yep, if you stick a normal, everyday T-Mobile sim in a 3G phone in the UK, then you'll be able to transfer data at 3G rates.
As far as I know they haven't sorted out video calling yet but it's "on it's way" (although I don't think I know anyone with a videophone anyway).
hah ha! "transfer at 3g rates" - that'll be the same as gprs and less reliable then!
3g is fine, if you're sat next to the mast, with no-one else sharing the connection, as soon as you get multiple users the data rate drops and connectivity issues rise. Its sh*te, especially if you are running apps that need a steady connection.
hah ha! "transfer at 3g rates" - that'll be the same as gprs and less reliable then!
3g is fine, if you're sat next to the mast, with no-one else sharing the connection, as soon as you get multiple users the data rate drops and connectivity issues rise. Its sh*te, especially if you are running apps that need a steady connection.
3G on T-Mobile
sub69 said:
Yep, if you stick a normal, everyday T-Mobile sim in a 3G phone in the UK, then you'll be able to transfer data at 3G rates.
As far as I know they haven't sorted out video calling yet but it's "on it's way" (although I don't think I know anyone with a videophone anyway).
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Got my 3G enabled on my UK T-M account. I'm now Video Calling like there's no tomorrow
Not sure how to get high-speed internet access though.....
Peace
3G on T-Mobile
sub69 said:
Yep, if you stick a normal, everyday T-Mobile sim in a 3G phone in the UK, then you'll be able to transfer data at 3G rates.
As far as I know they haven't sorted out video calling yet but it's "on it's way" (although I don't think I know anyone with a videophone anyway).
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Got my 3G enabled on my UK T-M account. I'm now Video Calling like there's no tomorrow
Not sure how to get high-speed internet access though.....
Peace
griZlyadams said:
hah ha! "transfer at 3g rates" - that'll be the same as gprs and less reliable then!
3g is fine, if you're sat next to the mast, with no-one else sharing the connection, as soon as you get multiple users the data rate drops and connectivity issues rise. Its sh*te, especially if you are running apps that need a steady connection.
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Compared to GPRS, I find UMTS significantly quicker on my Nokia, but that's probably just luck...
SuperDDD said:
Got my 3G enabled on my UK T-M account. I'm now Video Calling like there's no tomorrow...
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Didn't realise video calling worked, How did you get that set up? And how/how much do they charge for it??
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Didn't realise video calling worked, How did you get that set up? And how/how much do they charge for it??
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It has to be enabled on your account I think.
Bless
sub69 said:
Didn't realise video calling worked, How did you get that set up? And how/how much do they charge for it??
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15p/min to another UK T-M number
50p/min to other UK networks
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I understand that 2G and 3G has more to do with data speed. However does the voice quality differ between the two??? I can't find much consensus on the subject. Thank you.
Shouldn't be any different as I understand it.
From what I've read, it depends on your carrier. With 3G, the cell sites can handle a larger number of users because there are more slots than with 2G. Basically its more efficient.
As far as the carrier goes, some run the half rate codec on 2G and the full rate on 3G, so that could give you better call clarity on 3G, but that all depends on the carrier.
Another thing to look as is the bands. For example, At&t uses 850MHz and 1900MHz. Some areas might use 850 for 2G and 1900 for 3G, meaning that 2G will work better indoors than 3G.
I'm fairly certain that it doesn't matter. I get the same call quality on 3G, HSDPA, EDGE, and GPRS.
3G on AT&T and likely T-Mobile carries voice. That's one of the main reasons why we can do simultaneous voice + data on these GSM networks. 3G offers a crisper call quality compared to EDGE from what I've read in the past.
So does ATT run half rate codec on 2G?
mindfrost82 said:
From what I've read, it depends on your carrier. With 3G, the cell sites can handle a larger number of users because there are more slots than with 2G. Basically its more efficient.
As far as the carrier goes, some run the half rate codec on 2G and the full rate on 3G, so that could give you better call clarity on 3G, but that all depends on the carrier.
Another thing to look as is the bands. For example, At&t uses 850MHz and 1900MHz. Some areas might use 850 for 2G and 1900 for 3G, meaning that 2G will work better indoors than 3G.
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So does ATT run half rate codec on 2G?
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Depends on the market you're in. In NYC for example, AT&T does run half-rate on 2G unfortunately.
T-Mobile has much better voice quality in my experience.
But for all networks i've used 3G > 2G voice quality.
How do figure this out?
gsvnet said:
Depends on the market you're in. In NYC for example, AT&T does run half-rate on 2G unfortunately.
T-Mobile has much better voice quality in my experience.
But for all networks i've used 3G > 2G voice quality.
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There's no difference between EDGE and GPRS voice, neither between "normal" UMTS and HSDPA, these are different data transmission protocols. Difference is only between 2G and 3G.
As some people said there could be a difference because of the voice codec the operator is using between 2G and 3G, but I would rather make my voice calls under 2G regardless of the voice quality as reception is always stronger in 2G, less chances for the call being dropped
I think it does if you use GVoice?
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How do figure this out?
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Back when I was on AT&T I had some WinMo phones that with a certain app would show whether the phone was running on AMR-FR (full rate) or HR (half rate) during a call. It would often be on half rate, especially when in NYC. And in general, voice quality was bad.
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There's no difference between EDGE and GPRS voice, neither between "normal" UMTS and HSDPA, these are different data transmission protocols. Difference is only between 2G and 3G.
As some people said there could be a difference because of the voice codec the operator is using between 2G and 3G, but I would rather make my voice calls under 2G regardless of the voice quality as reception is always stronger in 2G, less chances for the call being dropped
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If you lose 3G service you should drop back down to 2G and the call should still be active. This happens to me sometimes and there's really no issue at all because of it.
gsvnet said:
If you lose 3G service you should drop back down to 2G and the call should still be active. This happens to me sometimes and there's really no issue at all because of it.
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You're totally right, soft-handover FTW I'm spoilt because my actual operator is 3G-only, so when I switch to 2G I switch operator too, which is a little bit slower. In fact it has never happened to me to lose my 3G coverage while in the middle of a call, I guess it would drop the call if it ever happens.
By any chance you remember what that software was called?
gsvnet said:
Back when I was on AT&T I had some WinMo phones that with a certain app would show whether the phone was running on AMR-FR (full rate) or HR (half rate) during a call. It would often be on half rate, especially when in NYC. And in general, voice quality was bad. ......
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With AT&T, I get better call quality and less dropped calls on 2G. In fact, I never get dropped calls with 2G but if I'm on 3G, I do.
I keep my phones on 2G the majority of the time and only switch if I plan on doing a lot of data.
-Mc
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By any chance you remember what that software was called?
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FieldTest. It was usually an exe file in the /Windows folder.
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FieldTest. It was usually an exe file in the /Windows folder.
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I got the file, how do I view the duplex status? there are a bunch of parameter that I have no idea what they are. Most of them are like N/A
T-Mobile in my area is shown as the best they have on their coverage map, but my calls always get dropped
I'm still under my 30 days and I want them to somehow boost up my reception because I seriously want to keep the HD2.
It might just be me, but when I turn off my 3G signal, my 2G coverage is almost perfect, but I still get occasional dropped calls. Is it just me?
And also, do any of those signal booster stickers work? Should I try foil?
I am open to all comment and suggestions..thanks
i usually leave my phone on GSM (2g) through the band properties because it saves battery, and yes i do get more bars. in some locations my 3g or H connection is just as strong.
Not sure about boosters, i heard that the antenna is located at the base of the phone though.
stickers are a scam.
I can't believe those stickers are still available.
Dropped Calls are almost inevitable with today's technology.
2G and 3G coverage are different. if you have trouble with 3G at your location, simply turn it off in order to ensure a stronger connection and more stability during phone calls.
where do you turn off your 3G on a stock HD2?
adamhlj said:
where do you turn off your 3G on a stock HD2?
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settings-->wireless controls-->click phone(not on/off)-->band-->choose gsm
Tmobile is still rolling out it's 3g coverage, so it makes sense that their 3g is not nearly as available as 2g.
Furthermore, Tmobile's 2G frequencies are lower than 3G so they penetrate better.
Svegetto said:
Tmobile is still rolling out it's 3g coverage, so it makes sense that their 3g is not nearly as available as 2g.
Furthermore, Tmobile's 2G frequencies are lower than 3G so they penetrate better.
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Lawl.....I am so tempted to use the internet meme here but.....ah well.
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Furthermore, Tmobile's 2G frequencies are lower than 3G so they penetrate better.
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Could you elaborate on that? Curious about the science behind "higher" and "lower" frequency penetration on the different bands...
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T-Mobile in my area is shown as the best they have on their coverage map, but my calls always get dropped
I'm still under my 30 days and I want them to somehow boost up my reception because I seriously want to keep the HD2.
It might just be me, but when I turn off my 3G signal, my 2G coverage is almost perfect, but I still get occasional dropped calls. Is it just me?
And also, do any of those signal booster stickers work? Should I try foil?
I am open to all comment and suggestions..thanks
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Call them and tell them your problem. T-Mobile's help desk has always been amazing for me and perhaps they know something that you don't.
If all else fails, you can use the call to drop your contract without penalties. I'd much rather have an older phone that works than a new one that doesn't!
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Could you elaborate on that? Curious about the science behind "higher" and "lower" frequency penetration on the different bands...
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That's just the basic physics of RF signals...the lower the frequency, the higher the penetration capability (as a general rule of thumb). Same generally holds true for sound frequencies as well.
I don't get dropped calls at all on T-Mobile here in NY (AT&T is a different story).
However, especially indoros, 2G signal is generally stronger than 3G.
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Could you elaborate on that? Curious about the science behind "higher" and "lower" frequency penetration on the different bands...
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Just to give you some very simple insight (you can always google it if you'd like detail explanation; it's actually quite simple, I just don't want to have to type all of it). In simplest terms, Tmobile 3g runs on 1700 and 2100 which is much higher then its 2g which runs on 850. Lower frequencies don't go as far, but have better penetration.
If you'd like another way to think about it, think of when you hear someone playing music from a good stereo system in a building. You'll likely only be able to hear/feel the bass because it's able to penetrate the walls and you won't hear the the actual lyrics/treble because that's higher frequencies.
Hope this helps
T-Mobile 2G runs on PCS, always has and always will.
The reason for 3G not being as strong can be a number of things, the reception on the HD2 really doesn't seem to be good and the 3G network buildout is incomplete at the moment as mentioned before in this thread.
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I don't get dropped calls at all on T-Mobile here in NY (AT&T is a different story).
However, especially indoros, 2G signal is generally stronger than 3G.
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I've only dropped calls when in my poor reception apartment. It seems to be worse at keeping a signal than my HTC Dream.
However it still bugs me that the HD2 doesn't scan or update quick enough when I exit the metro. It might say I have full 3g, but it won't let me call for a few minutes. Sometimes it will decide to disconnect from the signal and reconnect even when I haven't moved to a weaker area and it's still full 3g bars. I'm also in NYC/Manhattan.
update
The data services with this phone are also going under maintenance soon, basically the software of the phone has a defect within the radio, HTC is releasing an update on May 17th to help fix this, you might see some luck having a better connection this way, but everyone is right about the different types of signals, the fact lies that there are 2 towers for each spot, the 2G network is more established where the 3G towers might not have as good of a penetration because they use a higher frequency.
Confirmation
My apartment has terrible reception. My signal will go out for about 5 mins then come back with only 1-2 bars. I turned off 3G and now my 2G signal remains around 1-3 bars with no blackouts so far (3 days).
Its just a minor hassle to remember to switch back to 3G when I go out.
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The data services with this phone are also going under maintenance soon, basically the software of the phone has a defect within the radio, HTC is releasing an update on May 17th to help fix this, you might see some luck having a better connection this way, but everyone is right about the different types of signals, the fact lies that there are 2 towers for each spot, the 2G network is more established where the 3G towers might not have as good of a penetration because they use a higher frequency.
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Where did you find this out? I really want an update, the hardware is great, but the phone quality is horrible sometimes due to all my daily location (and reception) changes.
aceo07 said:
Where did you find this out? I really want an update, the hardware is great, but the phone quality is horrible sometimes due to all my daily location (and reception) changes.
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+1
This would be great news if it's true (and actually addresses the issues)....has the date (or even the release itself) been substantiated at all?
Guys i've tried everything, APN settings, Build.prop file mods etc ...
but my download speed remains at 44-45 kb/sec!!!
someone please help, I've tried posting this in the rom thread too ...
regards.
helps if you tell us what network you are using
Yes your network may be restricting your quality of service (qos) to that level
I only get 3G not HSPDA on Virgin and I checked its a qos issue - working on them, but they are very slow getting back
Richy99 said:
helps if you tell us what network you are using
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my bad,
T-Mobile UK network, with Unlimited Data plan.
regards
johnerz said:
Yes your network may be restricting your quality of service (qos) to that level
I only get 3G not HSPDA on Virgin and I checked its a qos issue - working on them, but they are very slow getting back
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the thing is I got HSDPA speeds on winmo 6.5, and it was reasonably fast, 45 kb/sec is riddiculously slow ... plus the H icon also shows up when I use Android also 45 kb/sec is well below 3G speeds ...
I dunno whats going on, but I'll speak to T-mobile anyway and see what excuse they come up with ...
regards.
how long have you had the plan? they do speed limit the newer users
plan
Richy99 said:
how long have you had the plan? they do speed limit the newer users
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Almost a year
fix does not work.
Is that force roaming to Vz? Maybe you started getting spotty Sprint ownwd EVDO coverage. Forcing 3g only could be putting you on Vz towers.
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Doesn't EVDO Only disable voice calls?
This would also be a good way to save battery without losing all data connectivity.
3G/EVDO uses a lot of power. If you switch this setting to CDMA only you will force the phone to only use 1x. The data rates will be slower, but acceptable enough for most notifications and light things like facebook.
CDMA - 2G/1X Slower Data greater battery life
EVDO - 3G/EVDO Higher speed data, battery hog.
Maximilian Mary said:
Doesn't EVDO Only disable voice calls?
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Yep. Your phone shouldn't even ring doing his "fix".
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Award Tour said:
Is that force roaming to Vz? Maybe you started getting spotty Sprint ownwd EVDO coverage. Forcing 3g only could be putting you on Vz towers.
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I dont think it is.
I have my phone set to Home network only. doing this boosted my signal from 1 bar (-90,-100dBm) to a full signal (-65dBM) it clearly says Sprint CDMA EvDo Rev. A in connection status.
Thank you very much =D
styckx said:
Yep. Your phone shouldn't even ring doing his "fix".
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Yep that is correct. Just tested it...
Hybrid OR CDMA only are the only options you should choose here folks.
CDMA only WILL produce battery life savings though. Your data will be slower then molasses rolling uphill in December BUT it will be sufficient for emails.
It's a very nice find either way just on that fact alone. Back in the motorola days this was a very popular battery saver mod. Disabling EVDO and forcing it to always be 1X.
styckx said:
Yep. Your phone shouldn't even ring doing his "fix".
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hehe.... you are correct sir... going back to old ****ty service again so i can get phone calls
The EVDO radio and CDMA radio are two different radios I believe.
When you put EVDO only you're probably seeing JUST your 3G signal which might appear stronger.
CDMA only you're seeing just your 1x/voice/sms signal.
Hybrid the signal bars I'm sure just average the two out...
That's how I "think!" it works... could be way wrong.
Well at least i tried since sprint is dragging their heels. We need a new radio and quick.
fixxxer2008 said:
Well at least i tried since sprint is dragging their heels. We need a new radio and quick.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a new PRL fixes this... seems to be area specific, I have great signal for the most part...
Also, fixxer, I know you've been having horrid battery life. I'm sure the low signal is causing this as the lower the signal the more power the radio is going to be given to try and maintain the signal.
Try CDMA only and use WiFi whenever you can (also be sure to set WiFi sleep policy to never). 1x uses significantly less power then 3G... although it's to slow to be downloading big apps or loading really complex web pages, it would however be great for general notifications. Give it a shot and let me know if it helps your battery at all!
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Well at least i tried since sprint is dragging their heels. We need a new radio and quick.
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Hey, it can still work as a temporary solution for some people. I'm close to saying "Dagnabbit, I don't care if I get calls. I want to listen to twit live!" GV notifications should still work, anyway.
getprop ril.MSL
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in adb shell or terminal emulator will kindly reward you with your MSL
TheDub said:
I wouldn't be surprised if a new PRL fixes this... seems to be area specific, I have great signal for the most part...
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yeah, I'm doing pretty great on signal.
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Could be a prl but i still think it needs a radio. This phone is set to wcdma when it should be cdma auto prl. Hopefully we get a fix or ota soon. My battery is better today since i flashed a stock rom and kernel. Not great but better.
I gave the CDMA-only option a shot, no incoming phone calls at all. Switched instead to EVDO only, and calls seems to be coming through better in an area where I had maybe 50% success rate for incoming calls when running unmodified. I'll leave it here for awhile, so I know when someone is actually trying to call me.
This is horribly frustrating, I suffered with poor AT&T service for years for the iPhone and never thought I'd be wishing I hadn't changed carriers. I could maybe justify the shoddy call coverage if data was at least fast, but it's not. I'm giving this another week, and going for a return and possibly switching carriers again.
CDMA only setting for calls/texts paired with 4G for data seems to work pretty well.
Since EVDO only mode seems to prevent receiving calls.
True test will be when I get home, 1930's brick building that has been raising hell with calls.
fixxxer2008 said:
Well at least i tried since sprint is dragging their heels. We need a new radio and quick.
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Didn't someone else come up with this potential fix and post it in the Sprint Community Forum?
wirelessness said:
Didn't someone else come up with this potential fix and post it in the Sprint Community Forum?
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and i never said i wrote it, i put it here for you guys. i did however test it for this guy early this morning. were all trying to find a temp fix until the companies get off their asses.