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After the last news that they say that in May probably there should promise to be Android 2.2 (Froyo): what do you think that it will do SonyEricsson? Will it update 2.1 (eclair) or to 2.2 (Froyo)?
I think that if it updates Eclair(2.1) it will be an error because Froyo has many progress
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SE will not update to a system that is not available during the updateprocess...
who says it's unavailable? to you and me, maybe
Yes well.. It's still undergoing production and isn't done.
I bet that the update will be to 2.1: they have started the work on 1.6 and they have released the phone with 1.6 even if 2.1 was already available for months. SE will probably never update to 2.2.
i don't know...i wouldn't be so sure of it
even tho Froyo is "undergoing production" that doesn't mean that they can't be working together with google or whoever's developing it and test it on the way it's being done
if that weren't possible than that would mean that first we'd have to wait for Froyo to come out and then NO phone in general would have it for months until the phones are adjusted, that to me doesn't make sense
it's like saying windows 8 is awailable but none of you can install it on your system until we've adjusted it
if you get my point...
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SE will not update to a system that is not available during the updateprocess...
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That already, it is logical, but SE has said that it will update 2.1 in September, that's why he was asking about it because it is supposed that in September Froyo 2.2 will have already gone out
X10 will be a constantly the 'last version' phone. We're stuck with 1.6 when 2.1 is out in the wild, and we will be stuck with 2.1 when all other phones have 2.2.
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That already, it is logical, but SE has said that it will update 2.1 in September, that's why he was asking about it because it is supposed that in September Froyo 2.2 will have already gone out
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SE's comments regarding upgrades were all part of the below article: can you please tell me where in there Harold de Kort (Communications Manager at Sony Ericsson) states that the X10 will be upgraded specifically to Android 2.1, or where he mentions "September" as a release date?
Major update for Xperia X10 after Summer
In the final paragraph the writer even states specifically that SE hasn't stated which version of the Android SE will be going to with the X10:
Although Sony Ericssn has to make her own interface available for a higher version of Android, the interface will not chage a lot. Sony Ericsson herself does not make a statement on which version of Android the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 will receive in the second half of this year and therefore doesn't confirm that it will concern an Android 2.1 update.
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The info you are referencing comes from a post on Engadget from late last week which was unsubstantiated rumor from a "trusted" but un-named source who was wrong on in regards to his claim that 2.1 would bring multi-touch to the X10. I wouldn't put any stock in the rest of his claims.
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X10 will be a constantly the 'last version' phone. We're stuck with 1.6 when 2.1 is out in the wild, and we will be stuck with 2.1 when all other phones have 2.2.
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This is not necessarily a bad thing. This means that we will always have a stable and well known platform. If SE would apply the policy to always updated the phone to the second last version, it would be great. But my fear is that, as usual with SE, we will not get too many updates, maybe only one major update and then a minor bug fixing update. Then the phone will be "abandonware"... like the Xperia X1.
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This is not necessarily a bad thing. This means that we will always have a stable and well known platform. If SE would apply the policy to always updated the phone to the second last version, it would be great. But my fear is that, as usual with SE, we will not get too many updates, maybe only one major update and then a minor bug fixing update. Then the phone will be "abandonware"... like the Xperia X1.
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perhaps not so much a problem with the X10 - being Android based it will be easier for them to upgrade the base OS.. unless they have a complete change of direction with their own overlay... (which wouldn't surprise me!)
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perhaps not so much a problem with the X10 - being Android based it will be easier for them to upgrade the base OS.. unless they have a complete change of direction with their own overlay... (which wouldn't surprise me!)
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Come on, it was not so difficult to upgrade the X1 from Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5, and all the buyers would have been happy. This way, SE has just collected a lot of unhappy or angry customers. Moreover, this has been always the habit of SE: abandon the development of their phone after the release and leave the customers with bugs and issues. I really hope they've changed they strategy.
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Come on, it was not so difficult to upgrade the X1 from Windows Mobile 6.1 to 6.5, and all the buyers would have been happy. This way, SE has just collected a lot of unhappy or angry customers. Moreover, this has been always the habit of SE: abandon the development of their phone after the release and leave the customers with bugs and issues. I really hope they've changed they strategy.
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To my understanding, most WinMo 6.1 devices weren't upgraded to WinMo 6.5. My iPAQ 910c certainly wasn't.
I'm not confident that the x10 itself will receive an update at all. This is my 3rd Android device and my first SE device.
As a result of all the nonsense surrounding MT and colour support I've lost faith in SE already.
I think there xperia line will have upgraded OS's, but I don't know about the X10.
I've never had this much trouble with HTC devices (but I guess that has been down to this forum).
I'm not confident that the x10 itself will receive an update at all. This is my 3rd Android device and my first SE device.
As a result of all the nonsense surrounding MT and colour support I've lost faith in SE already.
I think there xperia line will have upgraded OS's, but I don't know about the X10.
I've never had this much trouble with HTC devices (but I guess that has been down to this forum).
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well htc too have been mischievous in releasing updates fr their fones.. hd was never upgraded to 6.5... there r no promises tht hd2 will get win 7.. atleast se has promised a 2.X update..
btw this is my first se device nd i am quite impresses... i used lots of htc devices and was hpy wid dem..
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To my understanding, most WinMo 6.1 devices weren't upgraded to WinMo 6.5. My iPAQ 910c certainly wasn't.
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You are right. However, it is not a good way to keep customers. And SE has already a constantly decrease in market share, and I think that the only way to reverse that trend is to build the reputation of a very high customer satisfaction. For smarphones, this means frequent and effective software updates.
Fair enough.
I just think that if they can take so long, to release their flagship handset in first place, and taking their supposed track record into account. Should we really expect 2.1 at least anytime soon?
After taking all those extra months to get the device ready for consumers, they release a device with a substandard input method, slow camera speed and poor in call volume.
Their famed customizations also have issues. Timescape is slow and on occasion I have to press keys several times for the system to register my input (mediascape).
We should be worrying about stability and and performance updates on 1.6 before we consider 2x.
This phone has so much potential but it still seems like a prototype to me.
yea it desperately needs an update. having said that, even though its running 1.6, it DOES have the latest kernel dosent it?
i'm hoping the fact that it comes with a 2 year warranty instead of the 1 year all other phones come with is an indication that we'll get reasonable updates past a year.
also- SE was the first to acknowledge the existance of 2.2, remember? when some guy mentioned the x10 will get 2.x
A Sony Ericsson rep confirmed to me that it will be a 2.x update in Sept.
She also said that their reasoning behind 1.6 was to ensure network compatibility so it could be sold across all networks, but I'm not sure if that makes much sense.
I am pretty sure that the gyus here at XDA will do something for us if SE will not give the right version in time. I had 6.5 on X1 for more than 9 months without any SE involement
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Cant believe that im the first to post this here. Enjoy
http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/05/05...ndroid-2-1-and-hd-video-recording-in-q4-2010/
SE again take too much time.
We might see other handset makers moving to 2.3 when SE release 2.1 update.
Ya, also just thought of this.....no 2.2 means no adobe flash???
Hope they address the battery issue first it just drains on my x10
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Found this on the forum there. And yes they do plan a near future update to address some performance issues and more specifically the battery issues.
http://www.xperiax10.net/forum/firm...a-x10-to-get-uxp-upgrade-in-q4-2010-t177.html
I jsut can't believe that we still need to wait till Q4 while others already running 2.1 for some time already. SE really should speed things up a little bit! In Q4 X10 properly will be an out dated phone....
if we have custom ROMs until then I couldn't care less about official updates
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brunswick000 said:
Ya, also just thought of this.....no 2.2 means no adobe flash???
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I thought about that too but I have since found out that the flash plugin could possible be made available as an app from the market.
See here:http://http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/adobe-details-flash-10-1-installations/
It makes sense as it was originally understood that you needed 2.1 to run flash and not 2.2 (Froyo).
I guess having 2.2 means it's preinstalled.
Time will tell!
I guess that as 2.2 is not fully released yet, it is difficult for SE to say how or if it could be implemented. I've had SE phones for years and they are always very wary about promising things before they know they can deliever.
But I do agree that in this more open and enlightened age, SE need to engage more with their customer base...
I've always had issues with the Linux community releasing far too many releases far too often..
Very true in regards to 2.2 not being available yet. On the positive side of things SE can very well change their minds and go with 2.2 (if available). At this point they can only promise 2.1 although they should bump the timeframe up. Rogers is coming with the Acer liquid e which is preinstalled with 2.1 so SE needs to take that into consideration and bump the date up at least to june/july.
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Very true in regards to 2.2 not being available yet. On the positive side of things SE can very well change their minds and go with 2.2 (if available). At this point they can only promise 2.1 although they should bump the timeframe up. Rogers is coming with the Acer liquid e which is preinstalled with 2.1 so SE needs to take that into consideration and bump the date up at least to june/july.
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SE could change their minds but I think that if they have announced 2.1 it will be because they are currently working on 2.1.
Just as SE originally announced 1.6 and they delayed and delayed until 2.x was released. The launch was delayed so much that we all thought 2.1 could possibly ship with the x10. However the reason for the delay was down to bugs e.t.c. I guess they expect more of the same with 2.1.
If they were to change their minds and bring 2.2, we'd be waiting until the end of Q1 2011.
I just hope they are planning to support the device beyond the 2.1 OS.
I think they have said that they will continue to provide updates during the phone's lifespan (whatever that is....) But I guess they want to develop against a stable platform and no doubt don't want to develop against 2.2 until all the initial bugs are ironed out....
Hopefully they will speed up their development cycles, 6 months to migrate to a new baseline is far too long for their flagship device.....
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You will need to get a "X20" same time next year for 2.2
QuadESL63 said:
You will need to get a "X20" same time next year for 2.2
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Yeah X20 with 2.2 by the time all other phones are on Android 3.x
It's as if SE is only doing 'minimal effort' for their customers.
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Yeah X20 with 2.2 by the time all other phones are on Android 3.x
It's as if SE is only doing 'minimal effort' for their customers.
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No doubt!
They should have make it into 2 releases for 2.1: 2.1 w/ all existing features/SE apps + bug fixes tested by mid year (June-July time frame) and another one with all those nice and new apps + features in Q4. That way we can be on par with the other (newer) Android phones sooner.
They should hire me as their release manager
On the other hand there is no incentive for SE to keep up the pace for X10 when they will announce newer phones later this year/early next year
err when is Q4?
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err when is Q4?
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Last four months of this year.
apperantly gsmarena states that it willg et HD video recording as well
like i said in another post, SONy has dropped the ball huge.
just like they did on the x1 with minimal updates.
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Last four months of this year.
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Last 3 months =).
too long and too vague.
hope they release an update that fixes the battery issues ASAP!
2.2 is wonderful! X10 can handle it very well!
let's e-mail to SE to express our idea!
if the x10 can be rooted, does that mean that we technically would be able to run froyo on it ? 2.2
i hope so .
Yeah, i saw some vidoes of 2.2 on youtube and i was left feeling really jealous of the nexus one people that will get it!
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when it comes for my x10 ?
se has promised 2.1 and froyo would take another 4 months ..
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when it comes for my x10 ?
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we willnever get it without root
look at the company that respect their customers http://www.gsmarena.com/all_the_latest_htc_android_phones_will_get_the_froyo_treatment-news-1674.php after only one day of announcement of the new android ,they announced that all their devices will get it before the end of the year ,(ofcource you all know which company iam talking about )
ok,
froyo looks good, very good.
2.1 in Q2010/4 and 2.2 in Q2011/1 for x10 makes no sense.
That means there are a some reasons why SE could stick to 2.1/Q4:
- SE plans a X10 sucessor for Q4 with froyo (including multitouch)
- google wants to have a clean froyo/hardware base, which could mean all f froyo-devices should have multitouch
- ?
- SE is cool or clever enough (like HTC) and announce 2.2/froyo for all X10 device-classes and cancels the 2.1 update
meta96 said:
froyo looks good, very good.
2.1 in Q2010/4 and 2.2 in Q2011/1 for x10 makes no sense.
That means there are a some reasons why SE could stick to 2.1/Q4:
- SE plans a X10 sucessor for Q4 with froyo (including multitouch)
- google wants to have a clean froyo/hardware base, which could mean all f froyo-devices should have multitouch
- ?
- SE is cool or clever enough (like HTC) and announce 2.2/froyo for all X10 device-classes and cancels the 2.1 update
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from where didi you got your info SE didnot canclled 2.1 never said any thing about 2.2
especially since its just been announced that flash will need 2.2 as a minumum.
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from where didi you got your info SE didnot canclled 2.1 never said any thing about 2.2
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problem is, companies are not as stupid as we sometimes thinks. they just make sometimes the wrong desicions.
the x10 has no multi/dualtouch maybe the big screen & dual/multi was (last year) to expensive/not avaible.
To annouce 2.1 two weeks before google I/O is also very stupid, because everyone knows that 2.2 will come at google I/O
... so there must be a reason, maybe a reason SE knows before (e.g. google wants froyo only on multitouch devices, maybe,
look, there is no HTC Legend in the HTC - 2.2 update list) so SE had to announce 2.1 before google I/O . If this is correct we only can hope ...
Second time in my life i have to thank adobe, because flash 10.1 needs 2.2 and this could change everything.
The X10 devices (mini, etc.) and SE cannot survive beside the desire/nexus without flash ... so next week(s), we will see ...
I sincerely hope that Sony Ericsson Xperia to update to Froyo, because if do not update, Sony will be out of the game.
Consumers are not stupid. Not sell any telephone.
I will never again buy a Sony product.
The truth and we really know this already is that we will not see an official update from Sony to the xperia x10 in 2010.
We really need to face this and realize its just NOT going to happen. I am not being negative just realistic.
Our only hope is for the guys on the development side come up with a way to root the x10 and get it to run froyo. But an official update from Sony is VERY unlikely!
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Second time in my life i have to thank adobe, because flash 10.1 needs 2.2 and this could change everything.
The X10 devices (mini, etc.) and SE cannot survive beside the desire/nexus without flash ... so next week(s), we will see ...
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Yeah, I hope google isn't trying to set a baseline for 2.2+ with multitouch as a requirement.
But I do agree with this. Flash could just save us...
Oh and cmboud, we will see an update from SE this year. The problem is if it is the update we want or not
Maybe it sounds stupid but how about a petition? As long its post on multiple forums we can get lots of people, what you think?I willing to start it,just need someone to write me a good intro for it since my english is not the best as you probably have noticed.
It sounds like a good idea but I'm pretty sure it's something that they already know, of COURSE we want the latest and greatest, that's why we choose this phone most likely.
I don't belive a petition will resolve anything in our favour - if they could announce 2.2 they would - it would sell more handsets!
my .02
On a norwegian mobile site mobilen.no, stated:
HTC say they will make 2.2 available on phones that are launched this year, writes Phandroid.com.
The Sony Ericsson says the long term will make 2.2 available for its Xperia X10 models. Here we are waiting still on version 2.1.
http://mobilen.no/wip4/fullt-godbiter-android-2-2/d.epl?id=44606
How long we (X10 owners) have to wait? *Wondering*
An online petition could be a great thing if we wouldn't talk about SE. What do you think will happen? Where to send this petition?
Send it to SE vie email?
Hmmm let me think we will get an answer like "Thank you for your opinion, try to update your x10 via SEUS...blablabla"
Call the Support and inform them about the petition?
The answer would be something like "Don't believe the internet!! The X10 works fine. Try an Update via SEUS... blablabla"
What should we write into that petition? Give us 2.2?
Answer "There will be an Update to 2.1 in Q4... Thank you"
Fix the battery issues
Answer "Thank you very much for your contact, there will be an update try SEUS... blablabla"
Or better "Battery issues? Don't belive the internet!"
I think it's very poor that such a big company doen't care at all about their customers. If SE doen't come up with some ass kicking updates in the next months this was my last SE device.
In 2 or 3 weeks SE will realease a firmware update for 1.6 and it will fix some bugs of the phone, it will be much faster and the battery will not drain so fast....
Just wait and you will see...
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Any link ?
The question is WHERE will they release it ? I live in Indonesia and here wasnt a single update yet :-( so maybe it's for Nordic Firmware only again.
I have a cousin who is working in SE and he said to me today that thing. That's why i know that...
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yeah, i'm in the united states, will there be an update over here?
erm SE already said this 2-3 weeks ago lol, typical!!
They said this about 3 weeks ago:
"I would also like to emphasise that there will be an additional smaller software update, already in the next couple of weeks aiming to enhance the usability and performance of Xperia™ X10. "
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and now, 2 or 3 more weeks to go? huh
Same same... SE slow as hell - lots of talk, no action...
X10 will be my last SE phone, coz i hate this company so much. They don't even care about their customers.
It will be update for 1.6 not upgrade to 2.1 . . .
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They said this about 3 weeks ago:
"I would also like to emphasise that there will be an additional smaller software update, already in the next couple of weeks aiming to enhance the usability and performance of Xperia™ X10. "
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and now, 2 or 3 more weeks to go? huh
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On May 5 put the new firmware would be available in two weeks, have now edited their blog to make next weeks. SonyEricsson always lie.
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X10 will be my last SE phone, coz i hate this company so much. They don't even care about their customers.
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im the same ive been a loyal customer for years, and this is the last time!! Ill give HTC a go as they seem to be really on the ball
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On May 5 put the new firmware would be available in two weeks, have now edited their blog to make next weeks. SonyEricsson always lie.
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No they haven't, it said the next 'couple of weeks' from May 5th originally, however that would have placed the update last week. But reading it from today 'next couple of weeks' is nearer the truth.
lol, that is what they said 3 weeks ago, we will be lucky if we even get 2.1 this year.
New Firmware has heading to China
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I can understand the dissapointment, i am to waiting for the uppgrade but still, SE is only doing what everyone else does. Like microsoft, blizzard etc, they just want to make sure everything is working 100% before release. If that meens breaking deadline then so be it.. i want a noticeable upgrade/update rather then some fast coffybreak job!
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SE puts out a great phone that everyone knew had Android 1.6 on it, it then goes and says that it will update to Andorid 2.1 by the end of the year with the addition of HD video recording, and during the week that Froyo is released it states that it will update to later versions of Android after the 2.1 release. Yet people still decide to "hate" them and they claim to know that SE will never upgrade past 2.1 (despite SE's continued claims throughout the X10 development process that the phone will get updated during its useful life, and that this will be a break from the past). Despite all of this people "hate" them and will "never trust them again" etc. SE has not broken any promise to me regarding the X10 and all these prepubescent tantrums regarding Android 2.1 and 2.2 are just soooo annoying.
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X10 will be my last SE phone, coz i hate this company so much. They don't even care about their customers.
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I agree with you. Back to HTC.
The only great thing about this phone is support from XDA developers.
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SE puts out a great phone that everyone knew had Android 1.6 on it, it then goes and says that it will update to Andorid 2.1 by the end of the year with the addition of HD video recording, and during the week that Froyo is released it states that it will update to later versions of Android after the 2.1 release. Yet people still decide to "hate" them and they claim to know that SE will never upgrade past 2.1 (despite SE's continued claims throughout the X10 development process that the phone will get updated during its useful life, and that this will be a break from the past). Despite all of this people "hate" them and will "never trust them again" etc. SE has not broken any promise to me regarding the X10 and all these prepubescent tantrums regarding Android 2.1 and 2.2 are just soooo annoying.
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I support this fully...stop yapping about the phone not having 2.1..you allready knew this when you purchased your phone. It will come in due time. Im super happy with my phone regardless of the OS version!
We all know that we got our 2.1 update in end of 2010,around november and now its just 3 months and we are asking for 2.2 but wait in another 2 months we will ask for 2.3 ,I dont wana sound pro SE but its difficult for any company to provide a OS update in 3 months, I guess SE should work out and may be take some more time and give 2.3 instead of 2.2 now becuase i am 100% sure even if they give 2.2 it wont be a month that each of us will ask for 2.3 and i guess even SE knows this.
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They wont update to 2.2 coz a OS update came just 3 months back
even giving 2.2 update wont make people shut up coz then we will shout for 2.3
they cant give 2.3 coz they are giving 2.3 with ARC and they dont want x10 to compete with ARC
Also if u guys check out bootloader cracking thread there is hardly any hopes of cracking bootloader coz SE had made sure that this time they encrypt it so that NO ONE can break into.
The ones who want the updates have the updates with their custom ROMs.
The most people know there won't be updates and use the custom ROMs or are happy with their modded 2.1 ROM (like me).
SE have their new phones with new firmwares to be working on. As far as se are concerned x10 is in their history.
Im more than happy with custom 2.2 rom. The devs here have done amazing work considering no open bootloader.
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I think it would be better if devs try to develop 2.1 and make it as par with 2.2/2.3 becuase we all know what 2.2 and 2.3 lacks..!!!
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We all know that we got our 2.1 update in end of 2010,around november and now its just 3 months and we are asking for 2.2 but wait in another 2 months we will ask for 2.3 ,I dont wana sound pro SE but its difficult for any company to provide a OS update in 3 months, I guess SE should work out and may be take some more time and give 2.3 instead of 2.2 now becuase i am 100% sure even if they give 2.2 it wont be a month that each of us will ask for 2.3 and i guess even SE knows this.
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They wont update to 2.2 coz a OS update came just 3 months back
even giving 2.2 update wont make people shut up coz then we will shout for 2.3
they cant give 2.3 coz they are giving 2.3 with ARC and they dont want x10 to compete with ARC
Also if u guys check out bootloader cracking thread there is hardly any hopes of cracking bootloader coz SE had made sure that this time they encrypt it so that NO ONE can break into.
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No. It's that 2.2 is a significant update. Want the latest version of gmail? Exchange? Essential bug fixes? Flash (even though I don't particularly care for that one)? You better get 2.2.
The problem is that (weee, timeline time):
Android 2.1 came out around Jan/Feb of 2010.
The X10 was released in March of 2010
X10 competitors were releasing 2.1 phones.
Android 2.2 was released in May of 2010
Competitors release phones with 2.2.
SE promised 2.1 by the end of September.
SE promised 2.1 by the beginning of November.
SE updates the X10 to 2.1 for most by mid-November.
-Unless if you're on AT&T USA. I think they're still waiting for an official 2.1.
Android 2.3 was released in Dec of 2010.
SE states in January that 2.2 won't be coming to the X10 because they took too long with 2.1.
I don't understand the point of this thread... It's not "stupid" to release a new OS in 3 months when the previous OS was long in tooth by 6 months. But it DOESN'T matter. They've stated that 2.2 IS NOT COMING.
android represents something fresh and very advanced compared with previous smartphone's Os. This is why it need a lot of fixes in its earlier time. Problem with SE is another and well known since they had modded something that wouldn't need it to then got tramped by themselves when they find out that Android it wasn't just another symbian. Actually android was developed with freedom in mind so every user should be capable of upgrading its device's software just like we actually do on our PCs. But SE has blocked such function locking the booloader just like if MS get to your home to lock your adm PC saving its keyword for its dirty lucrative purposes forcing you to buy another machine to stay update with software and security. I think this is next to be an illegal procedure and Geohot is demonstrating it right now.