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Why is the 8MP camera soo noisey?

It's very difficult to take any good pictures without them being blurry either. Clearly Sprint didn't see this or brushed it under the rug?

Try putting some tape over the lens and see if that helps.
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Hahaha good one

I disagree.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/be_are_why_in_knee/sets/72157624087741651/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/evo4g/pool/

It's noisy because like all lower end digital camera's it automatically adjusts the ISO rating depending on how much light is involved. The less light the more noise.

Have u tried focusing b4 taking th picture?

torremitsu said:
It's noisy because like all lower end digital camera's it automatically adjusts the ISO rating depending on how much light is involved. The less light the more noise.
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You can set the ISO in the options. Also, setting the brightness helps as well.

Raadius said:
It's very difficult to take any good pictures without them being blurry either. Clearly Sprint didn't see this or brushed it under the rug?
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Isn't the manufacturer HTC and not Sprint? Anywho, with a low end sensor, it's expected to be noisy. And by low end I'm just comparing to Canon's, Nikon's and Sony's sensors. I think we're just a little spoiled by those ultra compact cameras and forget what the phones are really for. But in low-light, you're always going to have a lot of noise (i'm assuming they're low-light shots). All day-time, well-lit shots of mine are actually really nice.

Geosama said:
Isn't the manufacturer HTC and not Sprint? Anywho, with a low end sensor, it's expected to be noisy. And by low end I'm just comparing to Canon's, Nikon's and Sony's sensors. I think we're just a little spoiled by those ultra compact cameras and forget what the phones are really for. But in low-light, you're always going to have a lot of noise (i'm assuming they're low-light shots). All day-time, well-lit shots of mine are actually really nice.
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BTW the Evo is using the same backlit sensor technology as the new iPhone. I think everyone is giving good advice in setting the ISO manually. Even my old 5mp dsl type camera performed poorly at higher ISO.

Vandam500 said:
Hahaha good one
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Hey Vandam500! Good to see another former iPhone (well, soon to be. Ordered an EVO last night) user from MR.
As for the EVO camera. I've seen some good pictures with it and some noisy ones. I think it's going to all depend on the light you take it in. It's a high megapixel camera with a small sensor.
It's not going to replace my DSLR or even my old PowerShot. It's a camera on a phone and I'm excited to use it.

Thats actually a produced sound comming from the speaker,you can turn it off in settings.

donatom3 said:
BTW the Evo is using the same backlit sensor technology as the new iPhone. I think everyone is giving good advice in setting the ISO manually. Even my old 5mp dsl type camera performed poorly at higher ISO.
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Any link on that?

bockjacob said:
Any link on that?
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Sure. http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g/16437-evo-4g-camera-has-backside-illumination-also.html
Guy provides a link to the tear down where you can see what sensor is used and a link to the sensor manufacturers page with the info on it.
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Thats actually a produced sound comming from the speaker,you can turn it off in settings.
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Wrong kind of noise.

ViViDboarder said:
Hey Vandam500! Good to see another former iPhone (well, soon to be. Ordered an EVO last night) user from MR.
As for the EVO camera. I've seen some good pictures with it and some noisy ones. I think it's going to all depend on the light you take it in. It's a high megapixel camera with a small sensor.
It's not going to replace my DSLR or even my old PowerShot. It's a camera on a phone and I'm excited to use it.
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Hey Vividboarder! Nice to see you on here . I am heading out to "pre-order" a Evo today and will have it tomorrow It only took me a hour after using my GF's Evo and also seeing the disappoint that the iPhone 4 is to make this decision

ViViDboarder said:
Hey Vandam500! Good to see another former iPhone (well, soon to be. Ordered an EVO last night) user from MR.
As for the EVO camera. I've seen some good pictures with it and some noisy ones. I think it's going to all depend on the light you take it in. It's a high megapixel camera with a small sensor.
It's not going to replace my DSLR or even my old PowerShot. It's a camera on a phone and I'm excited to use it.
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Hey Vividboarder! Nice to see you on here . I am heading out to "pre-order" a Evo today and will have it tomorrow It only took me a hour after using my GF's Evo and also seeing the disappoint that the iPhone 4 is to make this decision
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Either of you post in the Digital Photography section of MR? I frequent that forum as much as this one.

Negrito said:
Either of you post in the Digital Photography section of MR? I frequent that forum as much as this one.
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I post frequently on MR but have never posted in the Photography section.

1wingangel said:
Thats actually a produced sound comming from the speaker,you can turn it off in settings.
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Hold on, you are kidding right?

Vandam500 said:
Hold on, you are kidding right?
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Haha I'm going to laugh if we all thought by noisy he meant picture noise and not the actual shutter sound, or auto focus sound.

donatom3 said:
Haha I'm going to laugh if we all thought by noisy he meant picture noise and not the actual shutter sound, or auto focus sound.
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That would be hilarious!!
Negrito said:
Either of you post in the Digital Photography section of MR? I frequent that forum as much as this one.
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No. Not yet anyway. I recently got a DSLR so I may start. I've been a very frequent poster in the iPhone Hacks forum.

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That would be hilarious!!
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I reread the original post again since I forgot the exact wording. Nope we were right the first time.
Btw going to the link you posted about the sensor showed me the specs I was looking for.
Apple was touting their 5mp being better cuz of pixel size.
Well each pixel in the iphone is 1.75 microns while the ones in the EVO are 1.4 microns. A typical point and shoot is around 2 microns. So cell phone cameras aren't that far off from compacts. Of course a Nikkon D3 for example is 8.3 microns per pixel.

EVO's camera is garbage

Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
End rant./

not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice

I like pics i take with it

magicalan said:
not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice
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It's the software that comes with it I've tried other camera software like camera pro it snaps fast like really fast. Just that the software needs to be updated for the HTC EVO. Far as stock camera video its the software encoding sucks. The hardware is great just finding the right software or somebody develops one. Seems as if all the devs are busy rooting and tweaking the roms that HTC and Google should of done before even releasing software. Then maybe the devs can focus on making apps for us. Maybe somebody will soon develop better camera and video app that really take advantage of this great camera.
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AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you focusing the camera? Press and hold on the screen in the area you want to focus and it will focus and snap the picture. The pictures are pretty good (not DSLR quality or anything, but much better than most/all phones).

AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
2. Yes, the video quality does suck ass, but its been made a whole lot better here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711808. My evo is recording at 13 mbps in h.264, and the results are fantastic. We shouldn't have to be doing this, but at least its working.

It's a phone.
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Agreed. The camera sucks.. I think it's 8 in dog megapixels.

Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back

amirborna said:
Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back
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Very true. Tons of megapixels really only help when you want to get huge prints. The two most important parts of a camera in my opinion are the image sensor and the lens, neither of which are going to be that great on any phone camera. I think the pictures the Evo takes are pretty good for a phone.

The evo camera isn't amazing... but if you need quality pictures, DON'T RELY ON YOUR PHONE. It's a ****ing phone! Get yourself a point and shoot or a DSLR.

Guys guys think about it phone cameras has came a long way from back in the early days. Soon these cameras will take the place of point and shoot. If you want better get DSLR. I have seen some great
Photos around the forum. The camera in this EVO are capable of taking great photos plus EVO has the processor to handle it more than what a point and shoot has. Soon cell phones will be getting dual cores. But until then it is this whack stock software that is processing the photos. Take the iPhone 5mp camera making the EVO picture look bad because they have a great camera software. Only if somebody can write a better camera app if I could code that would of been the first app I would of made. That and a better video conferencing app.
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Mecha2142 said:
Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
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As someone who has owned and used both the iPhone 4 and the Evo (returned my iP4 for the Evo), I can confidently say that the iP4's camera does indeed destroy the one on the Evo. I love my Evo and wouldn't switch back if you paid me, but the cameras aren't even in the same league.
The Evo takes photos which are on-par with the smartphones we've all seen and used over the last few years. They're okay. You can put the pics up on your website, etc., but I wouldn't rely on the Evo for anything particularly important. The iP4's camera, on the other hand, is just amazing. It can hold its own against any of the typical $200 - $300 non-DSLR cameras on the market and, therefore, can effectively be your everyday, walking around camera.
The best summary I can give is that the Evo's camera is a good to okay camera -- for a cell phone. The iP4's camera is a very good camera -- period.

AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you judging the fuzzy picture at first glance? By that I mean preview after your shot or in gallery? Because sometimes the picture if you don't zoom in it can look really fuzzy and then when you zoom in a title bit it corrects the picture quality and be very clear. Also download them to your pc and see how they actually turn out. You might be surprised. I am an avid amateur photographer so I use DSLR to shoot pictures. In good light the camera and software combo isn't bad. It has horrible low light capability but then again its a phone camera. And as many people said a few tweak here and there with the software and it will make a big difference. I know when they tweaked the HTC HD2 phone I had it made a world of difference. I know it will happen on this phone too. We have to let some get past the linpacks and quadrant scores for a little while before cameras become the hot topic
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the pictures aren't the greatest but i have gotten some really good ones. I attached a few. People need to quit complaining though, it's a damn phone and the quality isn't half bad, if we can make it better then so be it but it's good as it is. These are from when i took my lil sisters to the zoo we were at the butterfly garden. I didn't edit these at all and they look even better on my phone

Its inferior to other devices so actually we should complain. Sure you can get nice shots but its anything but automatic.

I don't think it's that bad. Took this picture a month ago.

I agree on both sides here...the camera is pretty decent, but I do believe software improvements can and should be made.
Hasn't it been posted here that the camera manufacturer is the same as the ip4's?

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Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
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I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.

Cicatrize said:
I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.
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Exactly. I would have to say that's one of the reasons for the "megapixels aren't everything" argument. It's just a description of how many pixels the sensor can produce like you said.
If you have a bigger sensor (which is difficult in a cellphone camera obviously) like in a DSLR, you get bigger pixels. I freakin' love my new Canon Rebel T2i I just bought last week!

[Q] Arc Camera

Hi guys I just noticed that you cannot zoom in 8Mp and 6MP da Arc and was wondering whats the point of having such a good camera without that function..
I also noticed that no zooming in video mode which is ridiculous..
Are there any apps to overcome this problem??
Thanks

You can take picture & zoom it after taking it

Wow...wtf thats pretty ****ty...

I really hate digital zooming it destroys the beauty of the picture. the pictures are big so you can crop them on your pc. digital zoom is ****ty...

Yeah I know...I want to zoom before taking the image...Cannot zoom in video mode as well....

blueblood619 said:
Yeah I know...I want to zoom before taking the image...Cannot zoom in video mode as well....
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1. Move your body closer to the object(s).
2. Get a tele lens for your Arc.
Digital zooming is crap. I never used it on my old prosumer camera.

arconfire said:
1. Move your body closer to the object(s).
2. Get a tele lens for your arc.
Digital zooming is crap. I never used it on my old prosumer camera.
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agreeeeeeeeeeee

ArcOnFire said:
1. Move your body closer to the object(s).
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Lol...next tell an astromer to take a space shuttle to the moon to get closer rather than using a telescope...

superutp said:
Lol...next tell an astromer to take a space shuttle to the moon to get closer rather than using a telescope...
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take picture inside of a telescope

blueblood619 said:
Hi guys I just noticed that you cannot zoom in 8Mp and 6MP da Arc and was wondering whats the point of having such a good camera without that function..
I also noticed that no zooming in video mode which is ridiculous..
Are there any apps to overcome this problem??
Thanks
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First, I found it ridiculous. But when remembering those blurr and low-quality photos on iPhone 4, I think Sony did a good job rather than fooling out customers.
Or use a third party software to zoom or crop.

well you can crop photos on the phone.. but I also think it would be good to have the zoom function on video tbh..
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http://talk.sonyericsson.com/thread/14283?tstart=0
I really had to laugh while reading this thread. ^^
I wouldn't mind the digital zoom gone (as I agree with the crap quality point), but why did they put it into the app in the first place?

I had a look around the SE forums a week or so ago, and that was one of the threads i looked at. Two things sprang to mind:
(1) Dont bother looking on the SE forums for help. SE representatives/mods are utterly useless. Dont think i saw any of them post a useful answer to any question or problem, they only seem to be able to type either: "it sounds like a software problem, reinstall your firmware", or "i dont know anything about that".
(2) SE should have left the digital zoom in, because you can never underestimate the stupidity of your customers. I particularly loved the prize specimen who, after being given a comprehensive and accurate answer why there's no point in having digital zoom, says "i dont want a lecture, i just want my zoom!". Ignorant twat.

You're just so right...

binku said:
First, I found it ridiculous. But when remembering those blurr and low-quality photos on iPhone 4, I think Sony did a good job rather than fooling out customers.
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Can you suggest any softwares please

Try "Reduce photo size"

Amazing 2mp front camera!

I shot a picture using the front camera, just to see the quality. I'm pretty amazed by the quality (considering its me on the picture)! Could some of you share pictures from front camera too?

Anyone?

Yeah.. it's pretty good!
Are there any apps out there that let us use the camera as a pc webcam?

Pretty sure there is. I downloaded droidcam 3-2 but never tried it

You're right, the front camera is pretty good, but, I think it can be smoother, just 2mpx and no auto-focus, why it's so jerky ?!

I hardly think they're going to build an articulating auto-focus lens array into the top of your phone just for doing your hair.

lol, i knew before i got this phone that wouldn't stand the frame rate of the front cam (2mp front cam sucks as expect to me, but better than any other phone currently). Will always use back camera video chat (if app supports it).

Extreme184X said:
lol, i knew before i got this phone that wouldn't stand the frame rate of the front cam (2mp front cam sucks as expect to me, but better than any other phone currently). Will always use back camera video chat (if app supports it).
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How would you see yourself when using rear camera for video calls?
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I did a quick video comparison of the front v rear camera on the SGS2
Front facing cam:-
http://youtu.be/u78fTfnZ2lE
Rear facing cam:-
http://youtu.be/arx3eP5djG8
Shame about the 'zoom' on the rear camera, often find myself using 720p mode just to get more in the frame!

sexpest699 said:
How would you see yourself when using rear camera for video calls?
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Dont need to.

Quality on the front cam is great.
Only picture i have is of the self pic taken by my girlfriend but it was surprisingly good enough to be framed in one of my home screen

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Dont need to.
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Better question is how would you see the other person!? LOL

Thats what i meant. Who the hell does a video call with the rear camera facing them..
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My gf is using it as a mirror as we speak.
Very good quality!!

there is no phone better than the SGS II in the front camera
most phones use vga .. when sgs2 use a full 2mp
try to Tango with an iPhone and see the difference

[LINK] Megapixel Myth: This 46" Print from the HTC One looks awesome!

Article, Androidcentral.com
http://www.androidcentral.com/about-megapixel-myth-46-print-htc-one-camera-looks-awesome

Impressive, just something else that justifies me spending $900 :-$
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13 Megapixels vs the benefits of the Ultra Pixel technology? I'll go with Ultra Pixel thank you.
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Wow, that's awesome v
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What was the title of that Sammy fanboy thread 'is this all the HTC One camera can do?'
Looks good enough to me.
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The only question i have is how did he manage to have a 5.5MB picture?

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The only question i have is how did he manage to have a 5.5MB picture?
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Because its a panorama image

Its a nice scene, but thats what the camera excels at, scenes. If you want to use the camera to capture the details of an event its not so good.

rovex said:
Its a nice scene, but thats what the camera excels at, scenes. If you want to use the camera to capture the details of an event its not so good.
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If the "event" is indoors or some other area that is dimly lit, the HTC is probably gonna do a better job than other higher pixel'd phone cams

Maybe, that's not always true either. It's useless at sporting events unless you just want to capture the atmosphere rather than actual action.

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Maybe, that's not always true either. It's useless at sporting events unless you just want to capture the atmosphere rather than actual action.
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Not sure I'd be using a phone to document a sporting event...
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Thousands do..

rovex said:
Thousands do..
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Thousands also use digital zoom, it doesn't make it right.

Excuses. I love the phone, but the camera is very picky about what it can do and when, personally I think its a bad balance. The megapixel myth is true, but this camera isnt good enough to prove it.

rovex said:
Excuses. I love the phone, but the camera is very picky about what it can do and when, personally I think its a bad balance. The megapixel myth is true, but this camera isnt good enough to prove it.
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Agree with you on this 100%

rovex said:
Excuses. I love the phone, but the camera is very picky about what it can do and when, personally I think its a bad balance. The megapixel myth is true, but this camera isnt good enough to prove it.
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Good for you?
It has gotten a perfect picture the first time, every time for me. I am so glad that I no longer have to worry about turning on lights in my normally dark house. Maybe your phone needs a usermod? I don't need the 13mp to text a picture or post something to facebook. If I'm taking a photo I care about I'll use a real camera.

Very nice.
Oh how I can't wait for another "this camera sucks because it's not like my iPhone" thread to start rolling.
In all seriousness, this camera has consistently produced images of quality from a phone. I've printed some of them already in 4x6 and 5x7. They looked fabulous. That's damn good enough for me. :good:

I dont really take pictures in my house, I take them when out and about. Its just not got the resolution to be able to resolve objects more than 50ft away in any detail. As I said it takes nice 'scenes', but for example, at a zoo its useless, because animal invariably aren't close to you. Its useless at motor sport events because it cant resolve the cars unless you are very close to them. I took a few shot at a recent event with the One, and a few with the Nexus 10 as a comparison, and it was the N10 that gave me the best single shot!
It does work as a social media camera, which is I suppose what HTC said all along, but lets not be fanboys here, it has big limitations. Most of the shots on this site that are showing off its abilities are macros, which are nice, but frankly any phone can do that, and I was taking better ones with my N95!

rovex said:
I dont really take pictures in my house, I take them when out and about. Its just not got the resolution to be able to resolve objects more than 50ft away in any detail. As I said it takes nice 'scenes', but for example, at a zoo its useless, because animal invariably aren't close to you. Its useless at motor sport events because it cant resolve the cars unless you are very close to them. I took a few shot at a recent event with the One, and a few with the Nexus 10 as a comparison, and it was the N10 that gave me the best single shot!
It does work as a social media camera, which is I suppose what HTC said all along, but lets not be fanboys here, it has big limitations. Most of the shots on this site that are showing off its abilities are macros, which are nice, but frankly any phone can do that, and I was taking better ones with my N95!
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I assure you I'm not being a fanboy.
Not the best but what I use to take real pictures. You know, like ones at the zoo. Maybe you should pick something like this up if you want to shoot events.
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-T2i-Processor-3-0-inch-18-55mm/dp/B0035FZJHQ

Like most people I just want a simple point and shoot device, i dont care enough or need a $600 camera. However I do want one that takes pictures that are worthwhile having.
I wouldn't mind it only being as good as an average phone for these type of shots, but the fact that its worse than a tablet, or even an old phone is inexcusable. The fact is pretty much every 8MP camera phone takes better shots in these situations.