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x10 display improvement

As most of u are aware, after the 2.1 update, the x10 display will no longer be limited by software and its display will bump up from 65thou to 16m colors, as u can see theres a way bigger spectrum of colors that our phones will display so my question is, will that diffrence be huge? Will it be noticable? how will it improve display quality(in terms of sharpness, beauty, depth, quality...erc)?

My guess is better quality games. 720p video on youtbe and recordings will be better. Picture quaity and a more clearer display overall. I want this update lol
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Changes will surely be noticeable, i still think they did a pretty darn good job with the colours as it is now really looking forward to see the changes
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Tjotte said:
Changes will surely be noticeable, i still think they did a pretty darn good job with the colours as it is now really looking forward to see the changes
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i agree, i came from a iphone 3g and the quality is way better, i dont knw how much better it might get

wallpapers will be a big difference

My understanding is that having more colours will only make a difference if you're looking at things that are extremely close to the same colour (i.e. gradients). Just compare it to some phone with 16M colours, see if there's any noticeable difference.

you mean you won't notice this ?

i am waiting for this update man

mezo9090 said:
you mean you won't notice this ?
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If I stare very closely at the Mediascape background for a couple seconds, I can see some bands, where the shades don't change smoothly. Maybe you have sharper eyes than me, because I am not at all bothered by it..

chris_knows said:
If I stare very closely at the Mediascape background for a couple seconds, I can see some bands, where the shades don't change smoothly. Maybe you have sharper eyes than me, because I am not at all bothered by it..
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compare it to your x10 and tell me the difference please. is it the same ?

I don't think you'll notice any difference as the Screen on the X10 only supports 65K colours, irrespective of what the OS can support, check out the Spec on the SE website.

I don't expect much difference. I mean, I never go like "oh man, the colors on my X10 suck, I wish they were better". The colors are fine the way they are (to me). I never stare at the screen long enough to notice color banding that may occur in some pictures.

sixdaysandy said:
I don't think you'll notice any difference as the Screen on the X10 only supports 65K colours, irrespective of what the OS can support, check out the Spec on the SE website.
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the hardware supports 16m colors but now its limited to the os

mmk92 said:
the hardware supports 16m colors but now its limited to the os
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My mistake, I was under the impression that the hardware was only capable of 65K, in the same way that it's not capable of MT, irrespective of OS level.
I hope you're right

It will be fairly subjective, dependant on both the picture and the person viewing.
Alot of pics are going to look better, others will show little difference.
Personally I can't wait to have wallpapers that have no bloody bands of colour instead of a grady'all change of shade. It looks horrible.
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SAMOLED Screen, Colors and you.

Been searching for a while trying to find some info on the color depth on the Super AMOLED screens on the Galaxy S line.
Reason being, I have to be very wary of what wallpapers I use on my phone, because many end up looking very bad. You see distinct lines in various gradients as if the color depth of the screen is just very low.
It's a little disconcerting, and confusing, given how great these screens are supposed to be.
For example, there is a new wallpaper Android Central (posted just the other day) featuring their new logo/mascot. The wallpapers looks fine on my LCD monitor on my computer, but when I put them on my phone, I see lines in the background gradient that shouldn't be there. It doesn't seem like the screen can render those 'in-between' colors.
Anyone have any insight on this? Is it in fact the screen? Are other phones like this too?
I did read something about the fact that Android 2.1 maxes at 16bit color but 2.2 remedies this limitation, but I'm not sure if this is accurate, applicable to the situation, or even true.
Thanks in advance.

Download the Acquarium free live wallpaper in the market. The colors look amazing on my phone. There's also the Avatar movie, in the bright scenes the colors really "pop".

Let's hope froyo adds that feature, I've noticed it too on some colors, but its a minor annoyance, I'm sure if android supported larger screen resolution like gingerbread will have, samsung would have put a 1280x720 screen in there. Maybe the S2
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As a photographer I put several of my Hi Res works on my Phone. I did not even downsize them and just moved them to the phone so they would not be downsized automatically. I found the Gallery displays them perfectly, all be it with a slight over saturation. But the depth is great, really really good. I have used it as a mini portfolio, its that good.
However if I make any of them a wallpaper the phone dummies the shot way down and I loose sharpness, pixel depth, contrast, even that over saturation I spoke of. Its seems to me the shots are forced down to a "good" wallpaper size to not drain resources maybe? If a large hi res photo is not down sampled in small increments a little at a time it looses a ton of quality. But should not shots made for wallpaper from the market work well too? Maybe the Vibrant dummies all shots down for the wallpaper since all screen sizes are different?
Now if I could only get the Gallery to stop hanging on start up after the Ji6 update...ugh

It could be the stock gallery app that is ****ing up the wallpapers. I recommend using an app called "Wallpaper Set & Save" which allows you to set any size wallpaper without ****ing up the quality. Zedge is another great app with tons of dope wallpapers and doesn't destroy the resolutions of your wallpapers.

SeanFloyd said:
It could be the stock gallery app that is ****ing up the wallpapers. I recommend using an app called "Wallpaper Set & Save" which allows you to set any size wallpaper without ****ing up the quality. Zedge is another great app with tons of dope wallpapers and doesn't destroy the resolutions of your wallpapers.
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Cool! apps like that I was not even aware of. thanks.
I just tried Photoshop Express app for Android to set a Hi Res pic to wallpaper. Fail. It down graded it substantially, It must use the crappy internal phone method also. Gonna check out the recommended apps thanks.

NoDo issues/comments

So NoDo is here at last....seems way faster and much better than pre-NoDo.
Things I've noticed that I haven't seen publicised -
Headphone button now hangs up a call, didn't used to.
Display driver seems worse for some pages (WPCentral page, Bing search pages - noticeable banding, even where there didn't used to be).
Switch from WiFi to non-WiFi much smoother (I used to have particular problems with this
Anyone noticed anything else or got the same issue with the Display driver that I have?
All in all a big fan but will look forward to any further driver updates that might get the display working to it's Amoled best!

- mine not saving camera setting such as wide dynamic range or antishake, also video resolution is not saved
But this were also in old soft

no problems here. everything seems to be improved

J-A-J-O said:
- mine not saving camera setting such as wide dynamic range or antishake, also video resolution is not saved
But this were also in old soft
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That's a feature. Microsoft is considering allowing the settings to be saved.

Am I alone with the display banding (really noticeable if you press the search button - the Bing 'Wallpaper' used to be really high resolution but now looks pants)?

DatDereX1 said:
That's a feature. Microsoft is considering allowing the settings to be saved.
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Considering? They better allow it because it's the most frustrating part of WP7 for me. I want it in 720 as soon as I go into video mode!

gc48067 said:
Am I alone with the display banding (really noticeable if you press the search button - the Bing 'Wallpaper' used to be really high resolution but now looks pants)?
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That was like that before NoDo. I think it just depends on the wallpaper tbh. Dont think the quality is lower. But just not the right rendering.
Ive wrote to MS on facebook. On their feedback programme and questionaires and twitter about the camera settings.
Accordingly by alot of websites its a "feature" so incase you mess up settings it goes back to normal. I can justify this for all the settings except the quality settings. Damn why would you want to shoot in lower resolution when you can do it in 720p?

evolutionqy7 said:
That was like that before NoDo. I think it just depends on the wallpaper tbh. Dont think the quality is lower. But just not the right rendering.
Ive wrote to MS on facebook. On their feedback programme and questionaires and twitter about the camera settings.
Accordingly by alot of websites its a "feature" so incase you mess up settings it goes back to normal. I can justify this for all the settings except the quality settings. Damn why would you want to shoot in lower resolution when you can do it in 720p?
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lower frame rate at 720p on some devices?

comeradealexi said:
lower frame rate at 720p on some devices?
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Isnt that OEM's fault for not getting the code right?
I wish MS just stopped mucking around and release their own damn phone. That way there will be no fall in quality as they will be able to control everything on the phone and do it, the way its meant to be done

I have noticed the same problem with display.
The most visible artefacts I have found in "Now" app. Waves the the top of the screen are corrupted with soime artefacts.
I have also noticed that photos in people tile are more bright than before update.

Again your just being picky. Ive seen the wave ripples for vibration before the update.
It shouldnt affect the display or anything else. Its just an OS update and not a firmware update (well atleast that was the case for me)
Ive said this alot of times before that the clarity of AMOLED screens isnt as good as LCD screens. Yeah colours might be nicer but its not as clear as LCD SLCD

I do not want to compare SuperAmoled (Oled) and SLCD (LCD).
I do compare a display issue which appeared after update to 7008/NoDo from 7004.
There was no display issue with firmware 7004. Al least I believe it because I had not noticed it before update.

I'm just saying that it was there already. And its amoled issue and not the OS as their two different things
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Is there absolutely no improvement to the 720P capture? Is it still very choppy?
I wish Samsung would sort out the abnormally high shutter speed/white balance bug, so that the videos would appear less choppy.

Live mail folders still dosent update correct on my phone.
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Banding

Banding, otherwise known as contouring, is a digital artifact common to images, displays or apps of 16bit(thousands of colours) or less.
Gradient image
Viewing the 24bit image in the above link will not show banding on a 24bit display(3 x 8bit channels of R, G & B millions of colours) if viewed in a 24bit app.
If 32 distinct bands are seen, possibly with every 1/3 band being a green shade, then the screen or the image viewing application is not 24bit capable.
Viewing 16bit or lower resolution gradient images on your screen will also show banding.
The Android browser shows banding with this image while the Dolphin HD browser does not.
In short, the SGNote has a 24bit display, which will show banding if viewing 16bit or lower images or using a 16bit or lower viewing application.
More on screen bits

Im noticing lots of banding in lots of different apps :-/

Same here, also happens with Google apps like the Market. Not sure what we can do about it anybody has suggestions?

Bigmille said:
Same here, also happens with Google apps like the Market. Not sure what we can do about it anybody has suggestions?
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At least it is not the Note's display hardware that is the issue.
ICS may upgrade some Android OS apps to 24bit.

Thank You for this
This proves that Apps that display banding simply aren't rendering at 24bit.
I was leaning towards there being an issue with the screen as this problem was not noticeable on my previous android devices.
This clarifies everything.
Thanks.

qazzi76 said:
This proves that Apps that display banding simply aren't rendering at 24bit.
I was leaning towards there being an issue with the screen as this problem was not noticeable on my previous android devices.
This clarifies everything.
Thanks.
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You are welcome.
It bugged me too, until I got to the bottom of it.
Trust your eyes, the screen is glorious.

I too don't believe the hardware to be the issue. I suspect it's more to do with having a device with a smallish screen and a large 1280x800 resolution. Higher res images and videos look amazing. If the image is quite compressed (i.e. lossy) then the higher resolution screen will show this more than a low resolution screen. Garbage in, garbage out comes to mind. We need all apps and videos and images to be high resolution 24bit minimum to make the most of our amazing screen .

paulshields said:
I too don't believe the hardware to be the issue. I suspect it's more to do with having a device with a smallish screen and a large 1280x800 resolution. Higher res images and videos look amazing. If the image is quite compressed (i.e. lossy) then the higher resolution screen will show this more than a low resolution screen. Garbage in, garbage out comes to mind. We need all apps and videos and images to be high resolution 24bit minimum to make the most of our amazing screen .
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Excellent. I will put it in a drawer for a year or so then. Hopefully by then there will be some video I can watch.

seepage said:
Excellent. I will put it in a drawer for a year or so then. Hopefully by then there will be some video I can watch.
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ha ha . Listen, think of it like this. You've probably got a high resolution monitor attached to your computer. Do you prefer watching videos at 420p and lower or 720p and higher? No doubt the answer is higher resolution to match your monitor.
What Samsung has done is squeeze in a screen with similar resolution to a 13" laptop, but in a 5.3" mobile device! So we're going to come across lots of images and videos aimed at 'normal' mobile devices, which won't look so great on our high-res screen. To make the most of the screen you can copy 720p or 1080p high profile videos to your sdcard, and they will look incredible on playback, but they will also be large and it's a slow process, and if the video is long then it'll also hit the limitation with FAT max file sizes. Those issues aren't the fault of the screen though. It's simple really. If you want to make the most of the screen density then you have to provide it with good quality source material suitable for a high resolution screen.

Do you think that its just software? No hardware? Do you think that ICS will fix this?
I came from dell streak and its realy hard to watch on note specialy on dark scene.
even opening xda app it has banding problems

rockysiccion said:
Do you think that its just software? No hardware? Do you think that ICS will fix this?
I came from dell streak and its realy hard to watch on note specialy on dark scene.
even opening xda app it has banding problems
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It's definitely not a hardware issue because the screen is definitely 24bit colour. It displays well in the right app. You could swap apps for those that handle higher bit images. If you use Dolphin HD, possibly other browsers, webpages are seen in 24bit, if they are 24bit images. I don't know but there must be alternative picture viewing apps. Dice Player is a high res video viewer. As for system graphics, they don't look so bad to me. For games etc, it means living with banding until the maker upgrades? This is always the case on computers.
Be thankful Samsung have not rorted us.
Apple has ripped off it's customers many times selling lo-res screens as high res:
"Apple has received a new class action complaint alleging the MacBook
does not support millions of colors, but rather 16 bit color, which is
dithered to approximate millions of colors."
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:37:17 -0500

I don't have a Note yet, but can somebody try with QuickPic, it has an option in it's settings to force decode in 32bit mode.
That could clarify if it is a software or hardware problem...

paulshields said:
ha ha . Listen, think of it like this. You've probably got a high resolution monitor attached to your computer. Do you prefer watching videos at 420p and lower or 720p and higher? No doubt the answer is higher resolution to match your monitor.
What Samsung has done is squeeze in a screen with similar resolution to a 13" laptop, but in a 5.3" mobile device! So we're going to come across lots of images and videos aimed at 'normal' mobile devices, which won't look so great on our high-res screen. To make the most of the screen you can copy 720p or 1080p high profile videos to your sdcard, and they will look incredible on playback, but they will also be large and it's a slow process, and if the video is long then it'll also hit the limitation with FAT max file sizes. Those issues aren't the fault of the screen though. It's simple really. If you want to make the most of the screen density then you have to provide it with good quality source material suitable for a high resolution screen.
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The video and photographs shot with the phone's own camera have the same problems as other video and pictures. Surely they should display OK.

Some Android apps only render in 16bit
seepage said:
The video and photographs shot with the phone's own camera have the same problems as other video and pictures. Surely they should display OK.
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The phone has a 24bit 16 million colour display.
Some apps, including the picture viewing gallery app do not display 24bit colour in the 24bit quality they were made. See here

Thanks, Xaddict, this all makes sense regarding 24- versus 16-bit rendering.
Still, shouldn't intelligent/adaptive codecs be able to bridge the chasm by re-rendering 16-bit source material into some sort of "interleaved" or "inferred" gradual gradation or gradient... a codec to "smooth" the blend, if you will.
It's a codec issue, isn't it?
I wonder if Samsung or ICS will solve this first, if ever...

It feels like the Note has the same display like the first Desire (Amoled) that I've owned.

Its been said that this is a software problem, I've never seen this fixed with a 3rd party custom ROM since the Galaxy S1 days. Even 'x' ROM still shows color banding.

Found a solution for the wallpaper. Install MultiPicture live wallpaper (free from market) Go into it's settings and select "Color depth", then select "True color (24-bit). If the image you selected and used is 24bit, there will be no banding in your wallpaper. Hope this helped, cheers

Depending on the wallpaper you'ed still see massive banding.

EarlZ said:
Depending on the wallpaper you'ed still see massive banding.
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It's not a software problem.
If anything, it's a low quality image being viewed on a 24bit screen problem.

Color Banding

Anyone else have color banding on gradients?
Like the stock wallpaper for example. I don't think it's supposed to be like this.

coolxal said:
Anyone else have color banding on gradients?
Like the stock wallpaper for example. I don't think it's supposed to be like this.
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Yeah, I noticed it on the wallpaper too. Its probably due to the high PPI of the display and the low res wallpaper The is also some banding on the settings menu.

Same here.

It's normal. Pretty much every display is affected by banding to some extent.
To make this less obvious Google should use a solid background in place of the gray gradient (mostly seen in the Settings menu) as well as not shipping the N7 with low resolution, macro blocked, highly compressed, gradiented wallpapers.

zinfinion said:
It's normal. Pretty much every display is affected by banding to some extent.
To make this less obvious Google should use a solid background in place of the gray gradient (mostly seen in the Settings menu) as well as not shipping the N7 with low resolution, macro blocked, highly compressed, gradiented wallpapers.
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I guess that's true. It's a bit obvious though.

You want to see banding? Look at the Galaxy Nexus. People were returning their devices because of it.
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