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OK, so like nearly everyone else on this forum, I'll be first in line for an EVO. This is a beast of a phone, nothing like it (state-side anyway). How long do you think this will last?
What device will leave the EVO in the dust? How long will it's reign last?
Because of the required spec's, I would think that Windows Phone 7 devices will likely be the first to smoke it, specs-wise. However, it seems MS went all Apple-walled-garden with 7, so I don't see WP7 beating this anytime soon. Considering the state of the Windows Marketplace vs Android, I say no competition.
Apple's new iPhone will surely be amazing, software-wise. But again, the walled-garden approach will leave it behind.
Finally, AT&T and Verizon seem at least one year behind Sprint in 4g deployments.
Ideas?
khov07 said:
OK, so like nearly everyone else on this forum, I'll be first in line for an EVO. This is a beast of a phone, nothing like it (state-side anyway). How long do you think this will last?
What device will leave the EVO in the dust? How long will it's reign last?
Because of the required spec's, I would think that Windows Phone 7 devices will likely be the first to smoke it, specs-wise. However, it seems MS went all Apple-walled-garden with 7, so I don't see WP7 beating this anytime soon. Considering the state of the Windows Marketplace vs Android, I say no competition.
Apple's new iPhone will surely be amazing, software-wise. But again, the walled-garden approach will leave it behind.
Finally, AT&T and Verizon seem at least one year behind Sprint in 4g deployments.
Ideas?
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I say 6 months? At least before a significant development, like dualcore processors.
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I say 6 months? At least before a significant development, like dualcore processors.
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Dual core processors are extremely unlikely for at least a year or two. Not only would it make phones that much more expensive to produce, but today's battery technology simply hasn't caught up to the major advances in processor technology. Batteries are struggling to power a single core processor to this very day; said batteries couldn't dream of powering a dual-core phone for any reasonable length of time.
In any case, if the Evo is going to be beaten by another phone, it won't be for a while. The only things that could take it over are the new Snapdragon 1.5 Ghz and Intel Moorestown 1.5 Ghz processors coming later this year. There's absolutely no way a bigger screen size could be even considered, since the Evo is pushing it already. A 4.3 inch AMOLED screen would be quite nice, but not enough on its own to replace the Evo.
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Dual core processors are extremely unlikely for at least a year or two. Not only would it make phones that much more expensive to produce, but today's battery technology simply hasn't caught up to the major advances in processor technology. Batteries are struggling to power a single core processor to this very day; said batteries couldn't dream of powering a dual-core phone for any reasonable length of time.
In any case, if the Evo is going to be beaten by another phone, it won't be for a while. The only things that could take it over are the new Snapdragon 1.5 Ghz and Intel Moorestown 1.5 Ghz processors coming later this year. There's absolutely no way a bigger screen size could be even considered, since the Evo is pushing it already. A 4.3 inch AMOLED screen would be quite nice, but not enough on its own to replace the Evo.
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its actually a 4.3 TFT screen.
80s_kid said:
its actually a 4.3 TFT screen.
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Which is why he wasn't talking about the EVO
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Which is why he wasn't talking about the EVO
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yep. very true. my mistake lol, i havent slept today yet.
nope, not CPU's
I agree with the above comments, dual-core CPU's won't become prevalent in mobile devices until batteries improve significantly.
My guess is devices with discrete graphics boards, like the iPhone (has had for years now!), will trump EVO, though only for gaming purposes. I'll stick with a PSP for mobile gaming.
Besides, a 1Ghz+ processor should easily handle any video you can toss at it. My TP2 with a 526 Mhz processor + CorePlayer handles movies saved on my SD card just fine, full-screen.
Maybe truly integrated video calling? Not through a third-party app like Qik, or even Skype (though Skype on the EVO would be awesome), but an actual native function/app on the device. Instead of dialing a username, just dial a number, and if the device is video-capable, you get an option on the screen to answer with voice or video.
It will depend on far to many factors to quantify.
Doo you dig the big display? For those that do perhaps the only devices they will look for in the future will be 4 inch plus in size. Depending on how the evo and hd2 sell we may see many more our we may see less.
Those that want a physical keyboard may not even feel the evo is a contender and may wait for a galaxy s pro to fill their super phone.
The integrated graphics are inferior to the ipwn so those that want 3d gaming will feel the draw of that device or wait for the rumored psp phone.
Processor speed will be trumped probably by the iphone hd and if not then shortly after. The difference will be miniscule but it will get trumped.
storage? Android had lagged most other device for a long time with it's reliance on sd cards hopefully froyo will get more onboard memory like the iphone.
So it will depend on peoples needs as to when the evo gets trumped. For many the evo is far from the best device for them. For many it is totally drool worthy.
Hardware wise, this phone will be hard to beat in the immediate future. From what I understand is that Sprint allows users to upgrade after 1 year (if applicable) so that could be nice.
Only thing I am worried about is getting root or getting 2.2 in a timely fashion. Being a G1 user I haven't had to worry about it since rooting came pretty fast which has allowed me to install pretty much any ROM out there, not having to worry about when I am going to get 1.5 or 1.6 or whatever. I have read on how the Droid or Hero took a couple of months to get 2.1, they get it and then 2.2 is announced. Gingerbread is confirmed to be released sometime Q4 2010, I would hate to get 2.2 right when Gingerbread is announced. I will rage.
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edit: I don't believe the A4 is faster than Snapdragon. I think the test results that are out there is due to the fact that Apple OS is a closed system, it also doesn't multitask. Because it can load pages faster, doesn't mean it is better technically. Until it can be tested on a neutral OS (which won't ever happen), it will never be a good benchmark to compare the two.
christmas some one will release a phone for the holiday rush. its gotta happen. my guess is at&t its probably there turn for the xmas phone of the year.
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I agree with the above comments, dual-core CPU's won't become prevalent in mobile devices until batteries improve significantly.
My guess is devices with discrete graphics boards, like the iPhone (has had for years now!), will trump EVO, though only for gaming purposes. I'll stick with a PSP for mobile gaming.
Besides, a 1Ghz+ processor should easily handle any video you can toss at it. My TP2 with a 526 Mhz processor + CorePlayer handles movies saved on my SD card just fine, full-screen.
Maybe truly integrated video calling? Not through a third-party app like Qik, or even Skype (though Skype on the EVO would be awesome), but an actual native function/app on the device. Instead of dialing a username, just dial a number, and if the device is video-capable, you get an option on the screen to answer with voice or video.
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the SnapDragon dual core processors are more efficient then their single core variants we use now since they use a smaller manufacturing process. find the source yourself, i'm not working that hard.
Hmmm...a source link for that info?
Doesn't matter though - most apps on PC's don't make very good use of multiple cores, and we've had those on desktops for many years now. Will mobile app developers make better use of them, once multi-core mobile devices become prevalent? Some might, others will ignore.
Think about it: what kind of cpu-intensive apps will we run on a mobile platform, that will benefit from multiple cores? No doubt mobile processors will continue to get faster, more cores, more cache, etc., but how much will we really do on a mobile device?
Question: why wouldn't mobile processors top-out the way desktop processors have? Folks can run the same basic apps on today's desktops (word processing, web browsing, email, etc.) as they can on desktops four years old.
Perhaps, as crazytalk states, the real developments in mobile processors will be focus more on efficiency than raw speed.
What say you?
Actually, I would say October, not Christmas. Christmas is usually too hectic for companies to release brand new flagship devices which is what would be needed to supercede the Evo. And I do see a dual core phone coming out around October. I think something is going to surprise everyone in October but that's expected. 6 months is sadly the shelf life for phones these days.
Lets be serious, now there are a lot of people who are going crazy over the iPhone 4..dude Apple releases iphones every year(and this year only being slightly more spec'd then my 6 month old nexus)....ANDROID HAS A WHOLE YEAR TO ADD EVEN MORE FEATURES..i say i feel sorry for apple..just my 2cents
..not to mention even gingerbread is going to be even bigger to me than when the smoke clear, and when even more android phones come out people will see the light...
I agree with you 100% but you got'a luv that video calling, c'mon who doesnt!? thats seriously the only ONE thing that would make me consider selling my Adrond and my hd2 for an iphone, but then I remeber its only on ATT, they haave the luxury of making their plans sooo expensive due to the demand on the iPhone, I dont like that!
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I agree with you 100% but you got'a luv that video calling, c'mon who doesnt!?
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I dont
It's only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 and they both have to be on wifi?!
Sounds like crap to me
BTW if you really want video calling without restrictions... get the EVO 4g on sprint and you can call over 3g/4g.
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I agree with you 100% but you got'a luv that video calling, c'mon who doesnt!? thats seriously the only ONE thing that would make me consider selling my Adrond and my hd2 for an iphone, but then I remeber its only on ATT, they haave the luxury of making their plans sooo expensive due to the demand on the iPhone, I dont like that!
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Dude like the other person said its only over wifi for all that if you using your iphone over wifi at home might as well use a computer that's why they call it a "mobile" phone should be able to use that feature anywhere. And when skype release for android it will be amazing.
idk about u but im really getting this iphone 4 for sure....as my ipod/backup phone to my Sexy Nexy
xXJay_RXx said:
idk about u but im really getting this iphone 4 for sure....as my ipod/backup phone to my Sexy Nexy
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Heh, funny thing is, I could do the same if I wanted to get locked into a contract honestly. At least, if I wanted a subsidized price.
But honestly, what's the point? I'd rather have everything all on one device.
dont get me wrong, its a cool feature to have video calling, but i honestly dont talk on the phone that much....plus its another way for crazy girlfriends to be nosy ...lmao not that i have that problem
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Lets be serious, now there are a lot of people who are going crazy over the iPhone 4..dude Apple releases iphones every year(and this year only being slightly more spec'd then my 6 month old nexus)....ANDROID HAS A WHOLE YEAR TO ADD EVEN MORE FEATURES..i say i feel sorry for apple..just my 2cents
..not to mention even gingerbread is going to be even bigger to me than when the smoke clear, and when even more android phones come out people will see the light...
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As much as I hate apple, we can't ignore the hardware specs on iPhone 4. I do not see anyone trumping them anytime soon. Android is a good OS, but apple has very capable and quality hardware to go along with their OS and that's where they dominate.
Buck Shot said:
plus its another way for crazy girlfriends to be nosy ...lmao not that i have that problem
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I can make a gay joke (which may or may not even offend you depending on the team you're on), or a sad, lonely geek joke with this. Tell you what, think of one yourself and pretend I said it.
J/K of course.
arkavat said:
As much as I hate apple, we can't ignore the hardware specs on iPhone 4. I do not see anyone trumping them anytime soon. Android is a good OS, but apple has very capable and quality hardware to go along with their OS and that's where they dominate.
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I hate to say this.. but, by the time apple releases iphone..
Odds are it will only be a few MORE months until either dual core snap dragon OR 1.5 ghz processor.. Some rumors going around about both.
Htc has made phones that have video calln for years..... but honestly whos really gonna walk and talk while stair'n at ur phone lol
Snow_fox said:
I hate to say this.. but, by the time apple releases iphone..
Odds are it will only be a few MORE months until either dual core snap dragon OR 1.5 ghz processor.. Some rumors going around about both.
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First dual-core Snapdragon will be the MSM8260 (the HSPA part will likely lead the CDMA MSM8660). Aside from the modems, they're identical and clock in at 1.2GHz.
Just a bit of a guide:
MSM8x50: 1GHz single core (N1, Desire, Evo, Incredible, etc CPU). Only CPU in teh public now.
MSM8x50A: 1.3GHz single core. Die shrink (same CPU design, but literally shrunk via new technology reducing power consumption and heat output). Due late 2010
MSM8x60: 1.2GHz dual core. LTE support. 1080p decode. support for up to WXGA 1280 x 800 screen resolution. Due late 2010/Early 2011
MSM8x72: 1.5GHz dual core. Support for up to WSXGA screen resolution. (1440 x 9001080p encode/decode, full support for all Mobile TV solutions. MASSIVE overhaul of graphics unit, with it reportedly able to render 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec. Reports have suggested a late 2010 launch, but given that the unit has yet to be mass produced for OEM testing, I don't expect it before 2011.
I wouldn't give up hope that either of the dual-core parts will show up in smartphones. They seem targeted at tablets and smartbooks. It will probably be end of 2011 before we see enough improvements in power consumption to see that kind of performance in a mobile handset.
arkavat said:
As much as I hate apple, we can't ignore the hardware specs on iPhone 4. I do not see anyone trumping them anytime soon. Android is a good OS, but apple has very capable and quality hardware to go along with their OS and that's where they dominate.
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Hmm.. I smell someone who doesn't know what HW means. What HW specs?
Maybe A4 with unknown frequency that was already trashed in its fastest 1GHz form by either overclocked Droid or Nexus + JIT (and will be blown to bits by any future CPU, at least from Qualcomm's line, seeing that currently in its 1GHz form in iPad it's already below the 1.3GHz Snapdragon), and current Samsung CPUs (in Samsung phones) having x3 more powerful graphics (and later Qualcomm CPUs improving the GPU as well)?
Or maybe 5MP camera with LED flash and 720p video recording and front-facing VGA one, that are available in Evo for some time now, and the already-released dual Snapdragon below supporting 1080p encode/decode?
Ah, you mean the display resolution.. in 1/2 year that'll be pushed even further.
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I hate to say this.. but, by the time apple releases iphone..
Odds are it will only be a few MORE months until either dual core snap dragon OR 1.5 ghz processor.. Some rumors going around about both.
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What rumors? It's officially launched, both of them. Here's the dual core:
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2010/06/01/qualcomm-ships-first-dual-cpu-snapdragon-chipset
There are devices scheduled to appear with it until the end of the year (hoping that they'll actually make it on time). Can't say if there are any phones, though.
again, I had video calling since 2007 over 3g on my N80 and it was free on my 3 network. LoL and now Steve says "BOOM video calling" and all people going crazy about it. Go to Asia or Europe it´s just normal and something you rarely use.
I use that for my personal freedom:
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ap3604 said:
I dont
It's only iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 and they both have to be on wifi?!
Sounds like crap to me
BTW if you really want video calling without restrictions... get the EVO 4g on sprint and you can call over 3g/4g.
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Agree that Apples idea of video conferencing is far too limited. If they really wanted to do something right, they could have worked on a standard everyone could have shared, and enabled it regardless of how your are connected.
Jack_R1 said:
Hmm.. I smell someone who doesn't know what HW means. What HW specs?
Maybe A4 with unknown frequency that was already trashed in its fastest 1GHz form by either overclocked Droid or Nexus + JIT (and will be blown to bits by any future CPU, at least from Qualcomm's line, seeing that currently in its 1GHz form in iPad it's already below the 1.3GHz Snapdragon), and current Samsung CPUs (in Samsung phones) having x3 more powerful graphics (and later Qualcomm CPUs improving the GPU as well)?
Or maybe 5MP camera with LED flash and 720p video recording and front-facing VGA one, that are available in Evo for some time now, and the already-released dual Snapdragon below supporting 1080p encode/decode?
Ah, you mean the display resolution.. in 1/2 year that'll be pushed even further.
What rumors? It's officially launched, both of them. Here's the dual core:
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2010/06/01/qualcomm-ships-first-dual-cpu-snapdragon-chipset
There are devices scheduled to appear with it until the end of the year (hoping that they'll actually make it on time). Can't say if there are any phones, though.
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I think your smell-o-scope is broken. I know a certain professor who can help you
Processor clock speed is just one of the performance parameter of a CPU and on its own means nothing. I will, actually, go further and say, CPU specs alone means nothing to me. It's the total package that counts. I will buy a 2.2GHz thinkpad over 2.6Ghz inspiron laptop and even pay few hundred dollars more. Because I am paying for the whole thing, the chassis, better hard drive, etc... Inspiron cheaps out and thinkpad does not.
Let's go back to phones,
Show me one SINGLE phone that has these specs ( or even any phone that will be launched within a year)
1) Processor capable of doing intense graphics (OpenGL 2.0, HD video)
2) Display with 326 pixel density (Note: resolution alone means nothing. It's pixel density that costs more money)
3) IPS panel. To give you an idea, 24" TN panel costs about $200, IPS $400
4) Tri-axial accelerometer.
5) Triaxial gyroscope
6) 720p video capable camera
7) front facing camera
8) Gorilla class glass
9) Noise canceling mic
10) Pentaband 3G. I travel and i know the importance of it.
11) Wireless n card
these all together are hardware. not just CPU
Let me reiterate my hate of steve jobs and company. However, apple has not cheaped out on this phone and let's appreciate that. I have always said, HTC cheaps out very regularly. I do not think I need to present any proofs of that, search on XDA.
Having said all this, I like my freedom and I will stay with Android. But i will not wear a fanboy hat to defend HTC or google nor will I post rants against them. But please, lets appreciate what other companies are doing good. that too in a socialized manner.
Im gonna move to the iphone 4 inspite losing flash support but getting a high res display nearly like the first webbooks AND hd video recording WITH A SOUND and not this ****y noise/crap audio the nexus one is recording on videos...
whatever guys, i get both!
hahaha
I have to admit the iphone4 is pretty impressive...but its not enough for me to buy one.
I still love my nexus and flash.
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Show me one SINGLE phone that has these specs ( or even any phone that will be launched within a year)
1) Processor capable of doing intense graphics (OpenGL 2.0, HD video)
2) Display with 326 pixel density (Note: resolution alone means nothing. It's pixel density that costs more money)
3) IPS panel. To give you an idea, 24" TN panel costs about $200, IPS $400
4) Tri-axial accelerometer.
5) Triaxial gyroscope
6) 720p video capable camera
7) front facing camera
8) Gorilla class glass
9) Noise canceling mic
10) Pentaband 3G. I travel and i know the importance of it.
11) Wireless n card
these all together are hardware. not just CPU.
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Hmm, I see your point. But I think it's not that simple.
I can show you phones that have subset of the features: 1, 6, 7, 9, 11.
Be surprised, Nexus supports OpenGL 2.0 and HD video (if you mean 720p). So does Evo.
Evo supports 720p and has front facing camera.
I'm sure you know Nexus also has noise canceling mic and wireless N. Evo lacks the mic.
Display DPI, another axle in accelerometer, gyroscope and glass (?) aside - they're advanced. Might be important, might be as needless as noise cancelling mic (the only thing it's good for, it seems, is not allowing people to speak to the phone from a distance). Pentaband is a function of antennas, which might be supported on current HW (need to ask RF people, don't have enough knowledge to tell).
On the other hand, how do you compare lacking features? For example, being so excited about DPI, how do you compare smaller or larger screen sizes - what counts as an advantage? OLED vs IPS paned LCD - for what reason do manufacturers need to go back, Samsung already proved that OLED can be made to work great in direct sunlight? How do you compare lack of HDMI out, weak camera, lack of WiMAX/LTE support, lack of removable battery (for as simple a reason as being capable to execute forced shutdown, for example)?
I'm far from being a fanboy for any technology. It's just technology.
P.S. And even if I dig into specs of future phones that aren't rumored on the net yet, I wouldn't disclose them on the forum, don't you think?
I heard from a sprint Rep that something BIG is coming in June. said he couldn't tell me what, other than to have anyone who is due for an upgrade to wait because it'll be worth it. Any ideas? Moto Atrix? WP7? Giving one million dollars to all customers? Please feel free to share ideas
Yeah....we'll see about that
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Interesting .....ill def hold my upgrade till then.
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off-topic: @OP your sig is so true
As for what the announcement is, I've read rumors that Spring is getting WP7 around June... I hope it's something more exciting than that, an OS that doesn't even support multitasking properly doesn't sound appealing...
If a windows 7 phone is big, ill ****ing rage.
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it's obviously a 3d superphone with a 4.3" screen...that is super slim and unfolds into a 7" tablet running Marshmallow(Android 9.0)
Well...
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=12432
June 30 is still considered "June" isnt' it?
edit: source of the article above link
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...erizon_and_spring_will_carry_windows_pho.html
I found particularly interesting the fact that M$ "will also do a software update this year adding a copy and paste feature and performance improvements to help apps load faster."
A "smart"phone that can't even copy/paste? Wow, the standards have fallen...
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/facepalm
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it's obviously a 3d superphone with a 4.3" screen...that is super slim and unfolds into a 7" tablet running Marshmallow(Android 9.0)
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Wrong, marshmallow is 9.7
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I remember certain device that could not get MMS, or copy/paste for a while (when most other smartphones were able to do it)... hell it still sucks with its 'multitasking' abilities.
Yeah seems like putting less fuctionality seems to be the new norm.
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I remember certain device that could not get MMS, or copy/paste for a while (when most other smartphones were able to do it)... hell it still sucks with its 'multitasking' abilities.
Yeah seems like putting less fuctionality seems to be the new norm.
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I had that phone. However I did enjoy that phone more than any other until the evo came along.
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Nrre said:
/facepalm
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it's obviously a 3d superphone with a 4.3" screen...that is super slim and unfolds into a 7" tablet running Marshmallow(Android 9.0)
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You are totally wrong. My sister's neighbor's best friend's uncle knows someone who said that Dan Hesse himself has confirmed that it will be running Android 15.3.2 (Watermelon)
I could really give a f**k about another Windows phone after owning my evo. I played with ATT w7 device and wasn't impressed. Only thing would excite me is another HTC device with a bigger screen. And already running something after gingerbread. This evo is hands down the best phone I have ever owned.
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To bad I'm not going to get my upgrade in June....like I was originally supposed to.
Either the iPhone 5 or EVO-2, or both
IPhone 5 would need a bigger screen to be impressive
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Maybe there was a mix up and they meant June 2010.
Especially considering the "save your upgrades" comment. That tellms me this insider isn't paying attention.
Though I am an Android kind of person, I'm not going to knock iPhones at all...like everyone I know numerous people that love theirs. I also am not that enthused at the moment with the thought of dual-core phones as the Evo 4G, the Evo Shift, and half a dozen other Android phones are extremely powerful, and many users of these divices can barely keep our phones charged as it is. Battery technology is lagging far behind phone technology at the moment.
However, being responsible for another dozen or so members of my family all aquiring various Androis phones, I've now had the opportunity to play around with a great number of these devices. The latest is a new Evo Shift, and based on my experience with it, I'd like to see the Evo 2 or the Evo 4G Hardware revision 005. In either case, it would be the same Evo that I have and love, with both cameras, 4.3" screen, etc, but it would use the second gen Snapdragon processor and circuitry found in the Evo Shift.
I say this because the day his Evo Shift was purchased, my bro-in-law had no idea about tweaking & tuning it, killing or modding excessive synching, and any of the other simple things we can do to an Android to greatly extend battery life.
He simply logged in with his GMail account, added his Exchange email account for work, installed Lookout at my suggestion, and has Angry Birds and another dozen games that his daughter installed.
In this condition, after fully charging overnight, with moderate to fairly heavy use he has yet to ever fully drain the stock battery during any one single day. When usage is light-moderate, he can easily get through a couple of days before charging. He states that he's getting better battery life out of his Shift than he did with his BB 8330 Curve. I had one of those, too, and that is saying something.
Add to this the fact that the Evo Shift's 2nd gen Snapdragon at 800MHz has bested the Evo 4G's 1GHz Snapdragon's Quadrant scores by an average of 200pts. It is obvious to me that this new processor is both more powerful and far more efficient. So, I dream of my beloved Evo 4G but with that more powerful and far more efficient processor and circuitry.
Of course I'll still throw my 3500 mAh battery on it, and be able to get as stupid as I want!
However, this is not what we'll get. I believe that it is far more likely that we'll either get a new marketing item (you know, really provides nothing new or useful, but looks good in a marketing campaign), or we'll get new uber powerful multi-core phones that come with Sprint's 2600mAh extended batteries, that HTC claim gets 5-6 hours of talk time, and that after Sprint loads all of their bloatware on it really runs completely dead after 5-6 hours of sitting in your pocket.
I'll pray for us all. Thank you for your time.
Maybe the announcement coming up is just that?! It'll be revealed now, but released in June?! Seemed to have been the case with the EVO at least.
nYdGeo said:
Though I am an Android kind of person, I'm not going to knock iPhones at all...like everyone I know numerous people that love theirs. I also am not that enthused at the moment with the thought of dual-core phones as the Evo 4G, the Evo Shift, and half a dozen other Android phones are extremely powerful, and many users of these divices can barely keep our phones charged as it is. Battery technology is lagging far behind phone technology at the moment.
However, being responsible for another dozen or so members of my family all aquiring various Androis phones, I've now had the opportunity to play around with a great number of these devices. The latest is a new Evo Shift, and based on my experience with it, I'd like to see the Evo 2 or the Evo 4G Hardware revision 005. In either case, it would be the same Evo that I have and love, with both cameras, 4.3" screen, etc, but it would use the second gen Snapdragon processor and circuitry found in the Evo Shift.
I say this because the day his Evo Shift was purchased, my bro-in-law had no idea about tweaking & tuning it, killing or modding excessive synching, and any of the other simple things we can do to an Android to greatly extend battery life.
He simply logged in with his GMail account, added his Exchange email account for work, installed Lookout at my suggestion, and has Angry Birds and another dozen games that his daughter installed.
In this condition, after fully charging overnight, with moderate to fairly heavy use he has yet to ever fully drain the stock battery during any one single day. When usage is light-moderate, he can easily get through a couple of days before charging. He states that he's getting better battery life out of his Shift than he did with his BB 8330 Curve. I had one of those, too, and that is saying something.
Add to this the fact that the Evo Shift's 2nd gen Snapdragon at 800MHz has bested the Evo 4G's 1GHz Snapdragon's Quadrant scores by an average of 200pts. It is obvious to me that this new processor is both more powerful and far more efficient. So, I dream of my beloved Evo 4G but with that more powerful and far more efficient processor and circuitry.
Of course I'll still throw my 3500 mAh battery on it, and be able to get as stupid as I want!
However, this is not what we'll get. I believe that it is far more likely that we'll either get a new marketing item (you know, really provides nothing new or useful, but looks good in a marketing campaign), or we'll get new uber powerful multi-core phones that come with Sprint's 2600mAh extended batteries, that HTC claim gets 5-6 hours of talk time, and that after Sprint loads all of their bloatware on it really runs completely dead after 5-6 hours of sitting in your pocket.
I'll pray for us all. Thank you for your time.
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I love my EVO, only wish I have for EVO2 is better battery and nicer screen with higher res and better colors , and make the phone slightly thinner if possible.
But I am open minded to an iPhone5. If it comes out with a 4" screen and Apple adds Widgets and a real Notification system I will be very tempted to buy one. But will Apple really make all those changes to the next phone ? They seem to revise the phone pretty slowly.
There will be two new additions, one in March by htc, one in June by Motorola. Both will be announced by ctia, perhaps the March one by mwc.
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check this out...QUAD CORE Android Cpu is coming!!
http://androidandme.com/
Love my HD2....but this is tempting!!
Prob' end up keeping my HD2 and go begging on streets for spare change towards my quad core..lol
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Iunno, saying devices packed with such a cpu by summer is sort of a stretch for me.
When was it, last year? At the CES, where nvidia showed off tegra 2 devices, and now a year later, devices are finally coming out with the tegra 2.
I mean atleast last year, they had devices packed with the tegra 2 to display how fast and efficient it was, but now, all they have is the chip to show us. It just doesn't sound to me devices with tegra 3 will be ready by summer of this year, maybe near the end of the year there will be devices.
However, onto the topic of the question of whether I will "ditch" my hd2 by summer. I wouldn't say ditch, for I plan to keep it for playing around with, however I will get a new phone, prolly.
Devices in mind right now optimus 2x (the big possibility of the camera lens getting scratched is scaring me), samsung galaxy II (iunno, seeing as how they aren't known for their support) and maybe even the atrix 4g (the inablilty to truly root the phone is biting at me)
Just wished HTC released a device on the same league with optimus 2x and etc. Then I'd be sure of which device to buy...
I will definitely still keep my HD2 but I will also start looking to buy a new phone around that time. The specs on the new phones are just mind-blasting (Russel Peters joke).
Probably keeping my hd2 for another year until my upgrade hah.
Well, one thing is for sure, i'll be very pissed at nvidia, for releasing such an awsome SoC.
I mean it took two years for smartphones to catch up the the HD2, and you're telling me that right when dual core processor tablet/phones are going to be released, a phone/tablet with 4 cores and what, with 1.5ghz for each core, is going to be released.
It justs pisses me off that if i buy a new phone now, at the end of the year, a phone that greatly surpasses it will be out.
But at the same time, the idea of quad core devices being out at the end of the year still seems too much a stretch to me.
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Well, one thing is for sure, i'll be very pissed at nvidia, for releasing such an awsome SoC.
I mean it took two years for smartphones to catch up the the HD2, and you're telling me that right when dual core processor tablet/phones are going to be released, a phone/tablet with 4 cores and what, with 1.5ghz for each core, is going to be released.
It justs pisses me off that if i buy a new phone now, at the end of the year, a phone that greatly surpasses it will be out.
But at the same time, the idea of quad core devices being out at the end of the year still seems too much a stretch to me.
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i think we all have a love/hate relationship with how quickly our phone technology moves. luckily, we all have hd2s which is still a phone many others wish to be.
I'll keep mine till next year,and change it for upcoming HTC Revolver
They didn't say anything about the htc pyramid. That's definetely what I'm getting.
Ill be keeping my hd2 for sure...with webOS development possibly around the corner ill never ditch this phone...!! U can do too much with it..!! Ill definitely be copping another phone by summer tho..that's just what I do haha...HTC_PYRAMID..??
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The "quad core" is nothing but another cortex-A9. Nothing special here.
One single-core a15 at ~2ghz can mop the floor with what will likely be another 1ghz "multi-core" processor. And for what? How many apps do you know are multi-threaded? In terms of "snappiness" and response time, how are the 3 other cores going to miraculously take over or "share" a bottleneck process?
This is utter ridiculousness. There's a reason Qualcomm (and many phone manufacturers) are completely nonchalant about sticking in their a9-based 1ghz chips in phones for the indefinite future -- because in terms of general responsiveness, efficiency and clock speed of an individual core are all that matters (a case can be made for "background processes" hogging CPU time), and for games and other intense applicaions, the GPU is all that matters (in which case the 12 core GPU is a huge asset).
4 cores... probably at all at a low clock speed sharing the dated a9 architecture. If a company is willing to squander these kind of resources for PR and press coverage, fine. But if they seriously think they can compete with a true a15, it's a good thing for everyone companies like Qualcomm are playing it safe and investing in the newer a15 architecture. If a9 was 15% better than a8, then a15 is over 300% so. Choose your poison.
Yeah I'm deff getting the htc pyramid. I'm going to give my hd2 to my gf
I got my hd2 as soon as they came out last may so I will probably be holding onto it until I'm eligible for an update.
With all these fast stable nand builds coming out and a 4.3in screen, why get rid of it?
I bought my HD2 off of eBay (it went surprisingly well!). I did that specifically to play with android builds and to not be trapped for 2 years when the technology seems to be moving pretty fast.
What I REALLY want is better battery life without a quasimodo hump!!!
Keeping my HD2 until it DIES! ...
Question remains: what kind of software support will be created to show-off Quad-Core beauty??? Let me guess: NONE! Therefore, it will be the same all, same all... Only thing we may see is the 3D and graphics effects that are a real eye-candy... nothing else, as current phones can do about everything phone should do
True, no app will be designed yet to show its true potential. The same goes for all multi core processors. But remember, HTC, LG, Samsung and Motorola knows this. That's why these phones are marketed for people who want to future proof themselves.
E.g. The HD2, was marketed to the same type of people and arguably the best phone in it's time in terms of specs. However, we all know that it didn't live up to it's full potential cuz of it's winmo, now don't we? But now with android ported, and android catching up to speed with 1gz phones, the HD2 is finally proving how powerful it can be, which is two years after its launch.
Plus even if the system doesn't recognize the other cores, as well, cores, they still help in the processing, like little maids. So it's not like the other cores aren't being used or are gathering dust.
My HD2 will be replaced in November, i have the device 2 years then.
I must say i dont rly think about changing right now, cause i dont find any other device beter then the HD2, best device arround even till this day (imo).
Expecialy with the setup im running now.
LG Optimus 2x looks nice/promising, but in November we will probably even have more kinds of next-gen devices, ill be watching the news
I'm sticking with my HD2 as long as there are no other newer phones which gets this much support and different OS builds. What I've read, there are not single one device which would be a lot better than HD2. Leo's hardware are almost as good as every other phone on the market. So its no point buying a new 500€ device just to have a little bit better performance and worst of all it could turn out to be a model which doesn't get as much tweaks and support as HD2.
normaly i upgrade to a new phone every year.
but this year.. there i just nothing wich is a REAL upgrade to the HD2.
yes sure, the Desire HD, the Incredible S.. cool devices, yea
but not really worth an upgrade
all the other new dualcore devices?
i dont want to go samsung.. so no galaxy s2 for me
i dont want to go LG, never.
only option would be the Atrix, but that one has aaaaawsome locked down software, so **** OFF
im staying with the HD2 till a device gets released wich is REALLY worth the upgrade
quad core be very good
Downgrade?
I'm going for a SIM only plan for one year that will more than halve my monthly payments.
There is no phone out there that makes me think an upgrade is worthwhile for the extra spondoolies.
Viva la HD2
Hey guys,
The setting:
So lets say hypothetically, the boot loader is cracked and we have custom Roms along with custom Kernels.
Now:
What is the potential of this phone?
...More specifically, do you guys think the Atrix will be at the top of the mobile world for years to come and be able to match up against newer dual core phones such as the HTC Pyramid, EVO 3D or the new Samsung and LG phones?
Would it be a worthwhile investment?
I'm curious as to whether this phone, if unlocked, will be the standard phone to compete against. Will all other phones coming out still be playing catchup?
I understand the specs, and understand that phones evolve rather quickly.... just curious as to others opinions and their view of the potential the Atrix has.
Thanks,
And lets hope the boot loader gets cracked soon
Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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it will be just like any other high end phone. old after 6-10 months.
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Tech moves so quick that by the time the HTC evo 3D and pyramid is released, there are going to be better phones then that.
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I'm completely with you on that
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That's irrelevant. With your logic, we should never get any phone because there will always be better phones.
I'm asking how long this phone could be considered one of the best if its unlocked.
It has a great battery, and specs that no phone has matched, even phones that are soon to come out.
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Stuff gets more advanced. Theres no stopping it, theres no way to jump ahead. And theres already stuff about the quad core cortex a9 saying it could come as soon as Q3.
I think the Atrix could be a decent on top phone until 2012 max. Then it's most likely to be murdered by another really awesome phone.
Like other have said tech advances so fast now. with in 10 months there will be something as good if not better along. For example check this out
http://www.thebesthandphone.com/new-quad-core-processors-from-qualcomm.html
some time next year we will most likely see quad core phones on the market.
Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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Yea i understand that. I mean it relatively... as in if the phones is on top for a good couple of years, i consider that very good.
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
I think the Atrix is a good platform for "potential" simply because it has everything everyone else is working towards PLUS a big 1930 MAH battery. We can learn to tweak things down the road, but that is one big battery considering how slim the phone is.
Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Quad core? If you ask me that's unnecessary. A mobile OS doesn't need that much power, just slim it down. That's the problem with the Atrix, it has MotoBlur which handicaps it. What we really need are better batteries, more memory, and a better NETWORK. The Inspire runs just as quick as the Atrix with a single core and less RAM because Sense doesn't cripple it. I had an Inspire and Atrix side by side and I could hardly tell a difference.
And all this hype about what these processors can do for gaming, that's just senseless. We're talking about 4 inch screens and it's still a phone.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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The atrix has the best battery of any phone I've had so far. With a good amount of use. Net surfing texting emails I still get 18+ hours out of it with 20% still showing. I'm at 13 hours since I unplugged my charger and I'm still at 40%
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I'd be careful of the update. I was getting similar battery life as you with 5-6 hours of display but now I struggle to get 24 hours with 2 hours of display (and I had to remove some apps like Beautiful Widgets and had to turn off my syncing).
My point on the battery life is no one (other than Apple) is trying to improve battery tech. I had the iPhone 4 before the Atrix and I was easily getting 40-50 hours of use and it only had a 1420mAh battery
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well from what I know and I could be totally wrong. The next phone that will be on par spec wise with the atrix is the samsung galaxy s2. It will have 1gig ram also and run the same dual core the atrix has. Not sure the resolution of the screen. The camera is 8mp vs the atrix 5mp and the screen is 4.3 vs 4.0 inches. So I guess you can say the atrix will be king of the hill for another month or so. I'm not sure when the s2 comes out but I have heard it might be in april or may.
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
Its the software that can make a device great (40% hardware- 60% software). What good the specs are if the os can't utilize its full potential. One big example is motorola xoom and atrix. Im a bit sad that the mobile phone market is becomming more of a specs/hardware race. And the software is getting left behind. This has been a problem of android. Hope google and its hardware partners(samsung, htc, lg) would put great money into developing better updates for android so it can utilize the whole potential of the hardware rather than continously releasing new phones with premature softwares.
And yeah they should improve battery technoogy too...
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i gotta disagree, i seriously doubt the samsung galaxy S2 will even be able to compete with the Atrix, for one, it's Super thin so i doubt that battery will even come close to the Atrix(correct me it i'm wrong), another reason which a lot of people don't like.........Samsung. Now i've never owned a samsung phone, but i've read a lot of reviews of Samsung galaxy S owners, and 95% of them weren't good at all, i also have a few friends that own Samsung galaxy S phones and none of them kept them over a month. So as far as the Atrix being old news, i really doubt it anytime this year and may still have some hype 1st quarter of 2012(look at the Evo, so it's definitly possible)
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This.
and some, like me, think the 4" screen is the perfect size while the 4.3" screen is too big. However, with all future phones, it just comes down to personal preference.
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Your forgeting one big factor. There is not a OS that supports dual core yet. Once one comes that that utilizes both cores you will see a huge difference. The way I see it cell phones are only about 5-6 years behind PC's. With the popularity of them its only going to get closer. Look at the atrix with some rooting you can use it as a pc once its plugged into a tv/monitor. You are going to see more and more things like this until their is no difference between the two. Who knows 5 years from now in stead of having a pc at home we will have our phones. Just plug it into a tv grab a key board and mouse and do everything we do now on them.
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Good point. I forgot GB is optimized for dual core phones. I just don't see those split second differences being a deal breaker for me. I would rather my data over the network move faster (without a tiered plan as well). I'm not much of a gamer either so I'm a little biased in that respect as well.
When it comes down to it, I just want a phone that works and I can use it heavily without worrying about charging the battery. Is that too much to ask? I'm also afraid that all of these fads like 3D is going to convolute what is really important in a phone.
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Wrong, wrong and wrong. Where do you get your information? The build of Froyo running on the Atrix has dual core support.
I see no faster on Atrix running Froyo at the moment. The speed is on par with SS GS and NS. But i rely on Motorola because i have had a few SS phones and all of them had hardware/build issues.
I think the phone will be relevant (to us anyway) for around 3 years, same as with last generations top tier phones.
What I think a lot of people here are confusing is, for the most part, relevance aslnd aactual pole position.
You have to talked into consideration how much better tthe next generation phone is, and whether or not that makes the previous generation actually obsolete or just dated.
For instance, I have the Nexus 1 right now and iI got it after I got the Captivate and Atrix. Yes the Atrix is a better phone on paper but it isn't THAT much better to make me want to get rid of my current phone.
I think, logically, that it will be the 2nd generation up that makes the former irrelevant (at this point). The Atrix and dual core phones announced aalready make the first first Gen smartphones (iPhone 1, HTC hero) extremely dated but the latter half (nexus 1, galaxy s, etc) are still relevant ttoday.
Of course you also have to factor in the applications that are being used and the network the phones are on. Right now, this instant, dual core phones aren't needed because of the speed of the network, light usage for CPU for browsing, and widespread video codecs.
Next year that might change.
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