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Android 2.1 in Q4

Cant believe that im the first to post this here. Enjoy
http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/05/05...ndroid-2-1-and-hd-video-recording-in-q4-2010/

SE again take too much time.
We might see other handset makers moving to 2.3 when SE release 2.1 update.

Ya, also just thought of this.....no 2.2 means no adobe flash???

Hope they address the battery issue first it just drains on my x10
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Found this on the forum there. And yes they do plan a near future update to address some performance issues and more specifically the battery issues.
http://www.xperiax10.net/forum/firm...a-x10-to-get-uxp-upgrade-in-q4-2010-t177.html

I jsut can't believe that we still need to wait till Q4 while others already running 2.1 for some time already. SE really should speed things up a little bit! In Q4 X10 properly will be an out dated phone....

if we have custom ROMs until then I couldn't care less about official updates
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brunswick000 said:
Ya, also just thought of this.....no 2.2 means no adobe flash???
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I thought about that too but I have since found out that the flash plugin could possible be made available as an app from the market.
See here:http://http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/adobe-details-flash-10-1-installations/
It makes sense as it was originally understood that you needed 2.1 to run flash and not 2.2 (Froyo).
I guess having 2.2 means it's preinstalled.
Time will tell!

I guess that as 2.2 is not fully released yet, it is difficult for SE to say how or if it could be implemented. I've had SE phones for years and they are always very wary about promising things before they know they can deliever.
But I do agree that in this more open and enlightened age, SE need to engage more with their customer base...
I've always had issues with the Linux community releasing far too many releases far too often..

Very true in regards to 2.2 not being available yet. On the positive side of things SE can very well change their minds and go with 2.2 (if available). At this point they can only promise 2.1 although they should bump the timeframe up. Rogers is coming with the Acer liquid e which is preinstalled with 2.1 so SE needs to take that into consideration and bump the date up at least to june/july.

daeshawn said:
Very true in regards to 2.2 not being available yet. On the positive side of things SE can very well change their minds and go with 2.2 (if available). At this point they can only promise 2.1 although they should bump the timeframe up. Rogers is coming with the Acer liquid e which is preinstalled with 2.1 so SE needs to take that into consideration and bump the date up at least to june/july.
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SE could change their minds but I think that if they have announced 2.1 it will be because they are currently working on 2.1.
Just as SE originally announced 1.6 and they delayed and delayed until 2.x was released. The launch was delayed so much that we all thought 2.1 could possibly ship with the x10. However the reason for the delay was down to bugs e.t.c. I guess they expect more of the same with 2.1.
If they were to change their minds and bring 2.2, we'd be waiting until the end of Q1 2011.
I just hope they are planning to support the device beyond the 2.1 OS.

I think they have said that they will continue to provide updates during the phone's lifespan (whatever that is....) But I guess they want to develop against a stable platform and no doubt don't want to develop against 2.2 until all the initial bugs are ironed out....
Hopefully they will speed up their development cycles, 6 months to migrate to a new baseline is far too long for their flagship device.....
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You will need to get a "X20" same time next year for 2.2

QuadESL63 said:
You will need to get a "X20" same time next year for 2.2
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Yeah X20 with 2.2 by the time all other phones are on Android 3.x
It's as if SE is only doing 'minimal effort' for their customers.

ShadowFlare said:
Yeah X20 with 2.2 by the time all other phones are on Android 3.x
It's as if SE is only doing 'minimal effort' for their customers.
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No doubt!
They should have make it into 2 releases for 2.1: 2.1 w/ all existing features/SE apps + bug fixes tested by mid year (June-July time frame) and another one with all those nice and new apps + features in Q4. That way we can be on par with the other (newer) Android phones sooner.
They should hire me as their release manager
On the other hand there is no incentive for SE to keep up the pace for X10 when they will announce newer phones later this year/early next year

err when is Q4?

arcticreaver said:
err when is Q4?
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Last four months of this year.

apperantly gsmarena states that it willg et HD video recording as well
like i said in another post, SONy has dropped the ball huge.
just like they did on the x1 with minimal updates.

gregy74 said:
Last four months of this year.
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Last 3 months =).

too long and too vague.
hope they release an update that fixes the battery issues ASAP!

[Q] Android 2.3 How Long Will It Take HTC ?

With Android 2.3 Gingerbread due out before the end of the year. How long do you think it will take HTC to push out the upgrade ?
IMO HTC are not the fastest of companies to update their OS the latest google offerings.
The new Samsung is rumored to be running 2.3 out of the box.
Whats your thoughts ?

themonkster said:
With Android 2.3 Gingerbread due out before the end of the year. How long do you think it will take HTC to push out the upgrade ?
IMO HTC are not the fastest of companies to update their OS the latest google offerings.
The new Samsung is rumored to be running 2.3 out of the box.
Whats your thoughts ?
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2-3 months maybe according to what happened to the desire.. that new samsung is AOSP based isnt it.. not touchwiz, lets see when Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread officially

IMO HTC are not the fastest of companies to update their OS the latest google offerings.
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absolutely agreed they build really cool phones, but they are indeed not famous for software updates...
2-3 months maybe according to what happened to the desire..
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when I see that my working colleagues with a HTC legend are still on android 2.1 I doubt a software update in the first year... :\ Although DHD may be (one of their) top phones. But lets hope HTC improves on that, I would even pay for Android version upgrades...

Isn't Gingerbread rumoured not suppose to allow for any overlays.? If so then I doubt it will come to the DHD.

in my experience owning HTC handsets with sense, there will only be 1 update during the life time of the gadget. being 2.3 or 3.0, don't expect it to be any time soon, especially when current DHD is not every widely available yet.
I say 6-8 month at least.
Its one annoying aspect of owning HTC sense phone, they are not a software specialist.
However, the fact that Samsung is getting Nexus Two with Gingerbread probably means HTC is under pressure to have at least one cracking phone with 2.3. We can only wait and see if they choose to update DHD or launch a new line.
Really hated Galaxy S and gutted that's what the Nexus Two will be based on

People always say HTC isn't the best with updates... but who is, aside from google with the nexus one?

I agree no one is quick in getting software updates so no reason to just slag off HTC.

I really hope HTC don't take too long. But then again i plan on rooting and loading a custom gingerbread rom, stock of course. Now about that root...

SupremeBeaver said:
I really hope HTC don't take too long. But then again i plan on rooting and loading a custom gingerbread rom, stock of course. Now about that root...
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hehehe what about having the phone first
you might do what i'm plaining to do http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8911576#post8911576

riz157 said:
I agree no one is quick in getting software updates so no reason to just slag off HTC.
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I have to diagree.
HTC is the first and biggest androids producer. They made Nexus One which is great when it comes to software support. If anyone they should be setting the standard not dragging the progress. They said it themselves that they wanted to benefit from the "Google Experience", and frankly speaking they are the last brand on earth to have excuses for not keeping up with android progress.

wendy75 said:
Isn't Gingerbread rumoured not suppose to allow for any overlays.? If so then I doubt it will come to the DHD.
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That doesnt make any sense the os is supposed to be free to anyone to use any overlay or luncher they want to use
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I ve heard the same thing as well. supposed to be one of google's way to resolve the OS fragmentation problem. However I heard that's going to happen in Honeycomb, not Gingerbread.

cezent said:
I ve heard the same thing as well. supposed to be one of google's way to resolve the OS fragmentation problem. However I heard that's going to happen in Honeycomb, not Gingerbread.
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ooh interesting, that would be stir things up a bit becuase that would mean if samsungs phones are the same as htc (software), then they have to either battle on hardware or price
but no sense

wendy75 said:
Isn't Gingerbread rumoured not suppose to allow for any overlays.? If so then I doubt it will come to the DHD.
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It's a debunked rumor. AOSP interface has barely changed with Android 2.3

My guess is 2-3 months, One of the reasons I chose HTC was because they are among the fastest to update ( I love Sense ). Samsung just started rolling 2.2 out, Sony Ericsson haven't even updated to 2.2, Sony Ericsson getting 2.1 this weekend..

Traxxor said:
My guess is 2-3 months, One of the reasons I chose HTC was because they are among the fastest to update ( I love Sense ). Samsung just started rolling 2.2 out, Sony Ericsson haven't even updated to 2.2, Sony Ericsson getting 2.1 this weekend..
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I ll bet £50 it ll take more than 3 months, any taker?
It took HTC 8 month to update Hero.

cezent said:
I ll bet £50 it ll take more than 3 months, any taker?
It took HTC 8 month to update Hero.
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Yes,but then again,the Hero was an old,outdated device then.Desire had already come out and there were many better devices out there.Remember that the Desire was one of the first phones to get Froyo(I think second after the Nexus One).Don't be so sure it will take much time...

tolis626 said:
Yes,but then again,the Hero was an old,outdated device then.Desire had already come out and there were many better devices out there.Remember that the Desire was one of the first phones to get Froyo(I think second after the Nexus One).Don't be so sure it will take much time...
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I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but my point being people buying DHD shouldn't put too much hope in getting gingerbread immediately. DHD hardware is superb and the sense overlay on 2.2 has got lots of great features, and its probably just a matter of time before DHD get rooted and 2.3 be ported over anyway.
I f none of these matters as much as getting 2.3 straightaway, hold on for a couple more weeks and get the Nexus Two is probably a better idea(and wear the pain of a samsung phone, I m not falling for that again)

if i recall gingerbread was roughly estimated for december/janurary
thought there were still issues with oracle and google over android using dalvik vm?so I thought, yes me only- not starting a rumor- that that might have delayed it as dalvik is part of java and ISN'T open source?
anyways your device doesnt get 1 update only
look at the mytouch 3g? had android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.2 3 upgradeds in its life?
now look at the desire, htc call it a high end product. it was on 2.1 is running 2.2 and will definately get gingerbread when it comes out, but no time scale will be given for that.
HTC are better then any company in giving updates if anything compared to other companies.
when an company decides to put its own overlay is when things get delayed. if they keep it vanilla releases would be quick and easy, but how do you make your device unique? what features do you add to make you stand out the crowd?

El_Nino9 said:
if i recall gingerbread was roughly estimated for december/janurary
thought there were still issues with oracle and google over android using dalvik vm?so I thought, yes me only- not starting a rumor- that that might have delayed it as dalvik is part of java and ISN'T open source?
anyways your device doesnt get 1 update only
look at the mytouch 3g? had android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.2 3 upgradeds in its life?
now look at the desire, htc call it a high end product. it was on 2.1 is running 2.2 and will definately get gingerbread when it comes out, but no time scale will be given for that.
HTC are better then any company in giving updates if anything compared to other companies.
when an company decides to put its own overlay is when things get delayed. if they keep it vanilla releases would be quick and easy, but how do you make your device unique? what features do you add to make you stand out the crowd?
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You're the man!

Dell Streak is living in stone age?

I think i wont be wrong if i say this " Dell streak is living in stone age"
coz Google's Android platform turns 3, Gingerbread due on 11 November
and where we are
Factory Shipment:1.6
Update:2.1
Dj Steve Unofficial :2.2
Official Update 2.2: Sorry i havent got my cristal ball with me today
cheers

agreed the software is behind. But the hardware is right on par. To me the more important thing is the hardware - because the software can be upgraded (as seen with Steve's Froyo).

I too was skeptic about not having a recent update to Android on this device. Regardless this device is miles ahead of my old Touch Pro 2. 2.2 is coming and I'm sure there's a lot of behind-the-scenes legal mumbo-jumbo responsible for the schedule. Dell is new to the smartphone game and I'm sure there's a learning curve.

Anyone on XDA is probably here for the same reason. We want the BEST for our phones, but, waiting on carriers to release updated roms is like waiting for paint to dry.
The suits in charge of the carriers probably have to have a dozen or more meetings before they release an update, if they even update it at all.
Another reason I think the carriers should get out of the hardware business and
just be a provider. Yes, probably more headaches trying to make everything compatible, but just look at the Asian markets, and the numerous options they have for hardware. What to the states get? A few phones a year.

1.6 came out about a year ago, the streak was probably slated for its release then. its amazing the small gaps between major software releases from google. im just hoping froyo for the streak comes out before gingerbread does. i like knowing my device runs on the latest and greatest, even if its only for a day.

I for 1 was happy it came with 1.6 it gave me chance to play with 1.6 and 2.1 and next is 2.2 and after 3.0 so in my eyes its like haveing 4 different devices

lufc said:
I for 1 was happy it came with 1.6 it gave me chance to play with 1.6 and 2.1 and next is 2.2 and after 3.0 so in my eyes its like haveing 4 different devices
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you mean 2.3.

This phone is awesome even on 1.6 and it keeps getting better.
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borijess said:
This phone is awesome even on 1.6 and it keeps getting better.
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In fact if you change the launcher you can barely notice the differences between the Android versions.
I started with adw and have more recently been playing with launcher pro.
Except flash, wifi hotbot, new gmail in 2.2 ;-)
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Do you expect us to get official Gingerbread

After no rom leaks in the past few weeks after JPY I am starting to wonder will Samsung update our phones to gingerbread or leave us behind when Galaxy S 2 phone is announced next Month. I know gingerbread was just announced but usually roms leak out from Samsung regularly most probably so they can beta test
but no new roms is giving me bad vibes

i was thinking the same thing.. only new roms coming out (leaks) are 2.2 not even 2.2.1 ... i would think if they were working on gingerbread we should have seen a leaked rom by now. i have a feeling they are dumping for newer phones.

We wont get Ginger bread if we where samsung would have announced it by now to sell more phones

We will get it.
SGS will get Gingerbread ... Comfirmed by Samsung Mobile India on Twitter Account.

I do remember reading somewhere that Samsung claimed we'd be getting Gingerbread via twitter, if that's anything to go by... Q1 2011 was the 'expected' arrival for it too though I thought? :S like gingerbread isn't just a revision, such as 2.2 –> 2.2.1, its a whole buildbuild upgrade which may require more effort than expected (even supercurio and the cm team haven't made any significant galaxy s gingerbread improvements lately besides their initial work).

Virtualsk said:
SGS will get Gingerbread ... Comfirmed by Samsung Mobile India on Twitter Account.
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They said Ginger beard not Ginger bread and why have the twitter answers been removed samsung would have properly announced it to sell more phones bit they haven't

At a guess yes and a probable for 3 but that will depend upon hardware .
jje

It Samsung wants to stay in this fight ... than they have to...It make no sense to release Galaxy S 2 and not providing 2.3 to 10 milions SGS Owner .... That would be wrong decision from my point of view...
i dont think, ppl will simply move to SGS2 for the sake of 2.3

seems likely to get 2.3 at this point, but it will take some time - they might also have killed some "leakers", we didn't get newer 2.2.1 builds either..

I don't care much for gingerbread i just want now a perfect 2.2.1 rom from samsung with no lag and gps like JM9.

I got the feeling we will , 10 million sold. Would be bad for their name not releasing. But also , i wouldnt be suprised if they dont release it.
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Samsung has told Pocket-lint that it is unsure whether the latest version of Android, version 2.3, will be coming to the Samsung Galaxy S, following the announcement that its new flagship phone, the Samsung Nexus S, will be packing the new operating system when it launches later this month.
Rather than simply telling us whether it is or it isn’t, Samsung has told us:
“In case a new version of Android operating system is publicly announced and released, Samsung will review the possibility of implementation of such new version to the existing Samsung products with Android operating system (“Update”).
"Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors”.
8 December 2010 13:24 GMT
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Source:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37199/samsung-galaxy-s-android-update
Sorry if posted already...

If the SGS brand doesn't get Android 2.3, expect a large noise from the 10 Million customers that will be outraged that a 6 month old phone is no longer supported.

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http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/37199/samsung-galaxy-s-android-update
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to me that means if we bring a better phone out called galaxy s2 we will not update the galaxy s because the new phone will all ready have the update installed so we can rip more people off
just found this online and it doesnt look good......... JK Shin, president of Samsung Mobile, has now gone on record saying that we'll get a new Galaxy S device at Mobile World Congress in February that'll feature Gingerbread, a dual-core processor

I _would_ be upset if there was no update after the initial Froyo - knowing that a lot better is available. Especially knowiing it would affect 10 million customers.
2.2.1 or 2.3 would not matter too much. It doesn't seem 2.3 offers a lot compared to 2.2. And perhaps the ext4-basedness of the Nexus S is problematic, for example for mass storage support.
It seems Samsung is pretty good at offering features of the next version in a previous incarnation. My 2.1 had the wifi AP - which belonged to 2.2.
Let's hope for some support. My primary hope would be lag fixes and after that ongoing security support.

Jekkaman said:
I don't care much for gingerbread i just want now a perfect 2.2.1 rom from samsung with no lag and gps like JM9.
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I agree I dont like the new notification icons for 2.3. so happy with 2.2.1 with lagfix and oc.
But if we think about this 2.2.1 gave us a ota update feature.
would they really put this into the phone ( I can image it took a dev some time to get this to work for 10 million phones) if they had no intention of updating?!?!?!?1

Short: YES.

I'm pretty certain we'll see gingerbread..although it'll probably be a bit of a wait.
Now whether or not we ever see icecream....
That's probably a pipedream....
Well...maybe we won't get it officially..
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Please, please keep up. The new Galaxy S x2 will be announced on the 13th of Feb and for those who keep on about 2.3 see below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrAjgYDx7yU&feature=player_embedded

Not keeping my hopes up that we will get 2.3, if we do its an added bonus. The next galaxy S is just a couple of months away from release so Sammy might make that a selling point..

Gingerbread possibility?

So does anyone think this means we will see gingerbread on the streak?
http://m.androidcentral.com/att-bringing-gingerbread-every-postpaid-android-phone-released-year
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No.
Customers who purchased an Android smartphone from AT&T introduced in 2011
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The Streak was introduced in 2010 and was never on sale direct from AT&T.

wish
I guess we can only wish...

cingulartreo said:
So does anyone think this means we will see gingerbread on the streak?
http://m.androidcentral.com/att-bringing-gingerbread-every-postpaid-android-phone-released-year
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Reading comprehension is not a strong suit for many people, I understand that

Of course Gingerbread will come to Dell Streak 5.
You only need to be patient people!
Patience is a virtue. All good things will come to those who wait.
Someone will make it for the Dell Streak 5, whether it be days, weeks or months, it will happen.

Yeah, hopefully. A lot of Android phones have been / will be getting Gingerbread updates. Even the old Xperia X10, which came out in November 2009, just got a 2.3 update.

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Of course Gingerbread will come to Dell Streak 5.
You only need to be patient people!
Patience is a virtue. All good things will come to those who wait.
Someone will make it for the Dell Streak 5, whether it be days, weeks or months, it will happen.
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I am sorry but you are wrong. Dell is NOT putting out any more updates, including ROMS for the Dell Streak. You will not see Gingerbread.
My screenshot convo. Ask for yourself @stephenjatdell

Dell just put an update for softbank streaks yesterday. After that I'd expect another round of minor updates for various carriers.

At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what's a "softbank" Streak (I can't seem to locate a definition here)... Thanks

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Dell just put an update for softbank streaks yesterday. After that I'd expect another round of minor updates for various carriers.
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But was it just a minor update to Froyo 2.2.2?
Maybe Dell is just buying their time perfecting a totally new UI for Android 3.2 (like they did over top of 1.6 Doughnut)!
Seriously though... why did they spend so many resources putting lipstick on 1.6 (which was very cool / revolutionary / different) Such as the app drawer in the notification bar, power widget dropdown, etc.
I do like that the 2.2.2 releases of Froyo are AOSP enough that the UOT works without issue!
BTW: Softbank is a carrier (Japan?)

It was a minor update, but what it does say is that the team hasnt stopped working on the streak, they merely havnt been releasing any builds for whatever reasons. The update was built on june 30th and that was only a month ago. OTAs usually take about a month from building -> testing -> OTA
Whatever reason they are taking so long, if/when GB comes out it should be even closer to stock android then 2.2 just like 2.2 if you ignore stage ui.
Softbank is a cell carrier in japan, they sell locked US model streaks and were the first to semi-officially recieve 2.2. 301 was a softbank rom, but it wasnt officially released.

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I am sorry but you are wrong. Dell is NOT putting out any more updates, including ROMS for the Dell Streak. You will not see Gingerbread.
My screenshot convo. Ask for yourself @stephenjatdell
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Except the captivate is getting gingerbread.
So, that means it is up to Dell to fight the giant at&t and get them to approve an update. To me this stance, among other things, communicates that Dell is halfheartedly interested in mobility. I mean, they brought in a mobility guy then canned him and shut down his division at the end of last year. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703688704575621101353557126.html Dell either doesn't want to work very hard or they are exiting because they don't think they can compete.
Contrast that with Sony Ericsson, and Samsung updating their 2010 models. (Ok, so SE isn't updating their at&t version, but this is XDA so we know that doesn't stop ambitious modders.) Those companies are showing commitment to the customers who signed TWO YEAR contracts and are stuck with LAST YEARS (2010) devices on Froyo for another year. These guys are differentiating in the place we wish every company did... Their customer service. Bravo!

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It was a minor update, but what it does say is that the team hasnt stopped working on the streak, they merely havnt been releasing any builds for whatever reasons. The update was built on june 30th and that was only a month ago. OTAs usually take about a month from building -> testing -> OTA
Whatever reason they are taking so long, if/when GB comes out it should be even closer to stock android then 2.2 just like 2.2 if you ignore stage ui.
Softbank is a cell carrier in japan, they sell locked US model streaks and were the first to semi-officially recieve 2.2. 301 was a softbank rom, but it wasnt officially released.
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So, is it worth flashing this rom?

Thanks Nick and TheManii for the info regarding Softbank...... Strangely, Softbank's website shows their cellular network as being W-CMDA.... so there must be a non-SIM version of the Streak.... either that or my Dolphin browser "translate" add-on doesn't translate Japanese too well LOL Thanks again all !!

They are probably focusing on the 10.1inch tablet coming out very soon. From what I gather it wont be a consumer device and probably not a streak.... but then again who knows they just released new stage software to sync and be a remote.
According to fards who speaks to ttmhe devs in irc he is convinced gb is coming offically.
How can it not with the streak 7 being so new.
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SHildebrandt said:
Thanks Nick and TheManii for the info regarding Softbank...... Strangely, Softbank's website shows their cellular network as being W-CMDA.... so there must be a non-SIM version of the Streak.... either that or my Dolphin browser "translate" add-on doesn't translate Japanese too well LOL Thanks again all !!
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WCDMA and UMTS are more or less synonymous (at least from a user standpoint, they might not be the exact same thing from a techical standpoint) with GSM 3G.
WCDMA is the 3g family (i think)
UMTS is the first 3g standard
HSPA is a faster revision (though revision isnt the best word to use)
HSPA+ is '3.5g' by the old definition and '4g' according to current american carriers.
WCMDA and CDMA are similar in how they transmit over the air, but completely different in application. WCDMA is a specific GSM technology, CDMA is the superfamily for CDMA devices.
To muddy the waters even more there are a couple of CDMA carriers in japan, but softbank is not one of them
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Until someone provides me with a clean nandroid of ANY softbank rom this update is useless as it's a patch on TOP of previous softbank roms and not a complete pkg like normal streak pkgs

Krad said:
According to fards who speaks to ttmhe devs in irc he is convinced gb is coming offically.
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I'm afraid hope is abandoning more people than myself. I mean, if Dell
finally gets GB to our Streaks, will it be before Ice Cream shows up?
Will Dell Streak customers really still be interested in a phone with
an OS that is one generation older than the present one?
I'm sure I won't...

Thanks for the clarification, Manll...... Also I do see the point in having the latest OS, but I also realize that a manufacturer will not provide upgrade paths for an aging product forever. At least with Froyo, I think we're at least on a sustainable platform that will remain relevent for some time to come... I just wish we had native video calling like Honeycomb. None of the 3rd party apps seem to work unless the recipient also has the same video call client installed.... and that's just not a realistic option for most...... Oh well, we can't have everything I suppose

so looks like we stuck to buy streak!!!! now i realize it was really bad choice to buy streak! wish i bought galaxy!!!!

"Fards" is alarmingly quiet these days. It would be very interesting to
hear if there are any news on the subject, from someone "inside".