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http://www.thoughtgadgets.com/2007/11/game-over-3-reasons-why-google-android.html
Ok, so this is of course old news, I just stumbled over the article by accident a few minutes ago and thought I'd share because of the hilarity of it all. It was a pretty laughable article in 2007, but even more so now when Android is in full swing and is getting better by the month and more and more manufacturers joins the OHA.
Hindsight 20/20 and all that, but most of us hardcore Androiders knew Android would not fail, despite what a few self-proclaimed experts said on their blogs. We knew it even as far back as 2007/2008. Ben Kunz obviously didn't, though.
Lol just read this Ben Kunz what a MOD EDIT
think of your choice of wording when you post.
thank you
I remember reading this a long time ago. I laughed then, but it is even funnier now. The comments are almost equally funny.
To answer Ben Kunz article
Android to grow faster than iPhone in 2009?
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/05/11/android.to.grow.900pc/
xxvtcxx said:
Android to grow faster than iPhone in 2009?
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/05/11/android.to.grow.900pc/
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It's heartening news, but you gotta consider that percentage growth is one of those marketing spin numbers. A platform that is selling 1M units in 2008 experiencing a 900% growth sells an additional 9M. A platform selling 10M units in 2008 only has to grow 90% to experience the same increase in sales growth.
Well, to be honest, if the G1 looked like that prototype picture...I wouldn't have bought it. That is one seriously ugly looking phone with a tiny ass screen.
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Well, to be honest, if the G1 looked like that prototype picture...I wouldn't have bought it. That is one seriously ugly looking phone with a tiny ass screen.
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True, but as a self-proclaimed expert on all things tech he should of course have known Android is not about hardware (let alone about prototype hardware). Android is about software.
I knew that as soon as I first heard and read about Android back in 2007, I bet you knew that, and I also bet most people on this forum knew that -- we knew the possibilities was and is almost endless. Ben Kunz, however, did not. And he wrote a downright stupid article about it, showing off his ignorance.
It did bring us lots of amusement though, so kudos to Ben for making a fool out of himself
Think about google as a company. Starting with a school project and growing to what is now. Everything google owns is destined to succeed. They have a huge master plan and everything they do/own is tied into each other in one way or another.
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Think about google as a company. Starting with a school project and growing to what is now. Everything google owns is destined to succeed. They have a huge master plan and everything they do/own is tied into each other in one way or another.
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You mean they have synergy? LOL
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Well, to be honest, if the G1 looked like that prototype picture...I wouldn't have bought it. That is one seriously ugly looking phone with a tiny ass screen.
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I've got one of the prototype phones for testing... while its no G1, the keyboard is a lot nicer to use. For folks who just want a simple lightweight texting phone, I can see it being pretty attractive.
Some pix:
http://picasaweb.google.com/jashsu/EXCA300?authkey=Gv1sRgCMjAkfWGiaD0Tw#
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I've got one of the prototype phones for testing... while its no G1, the keyboard is a lot nicer to use. For folks who just want a simple lightweight texting phone, I can see it being pretty attractive.
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"Main screen turn on" -- That's absolutely brilliant!
1 reason why that article fails.
Android is awsome.
Nuff' said.
Sure won't turn to them for marketing advice lol.
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Sure won't turn to them for marketing advice lol.
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Well, maybe you could ask him for advice and then always do the exact opposite. I bet that would be a pretty effective strategy.
Sounds like he was one of the kids that mommy wouldn't buy him a RAZR so now he is having a temper tantrum. lol
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I've got one of the prototype phones for testing... while its no G1, the keyboard is a lot nicer to use. For folks who just want a simple lightweight texting phone, I can see it being pretty attractive.
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I hear what you are saying, but lets...for arguments sake...equate a cell phone to a woman (no offense to women...but its the best modern day analogy I can make at the moment).
Okay, men (in this case the generic term "men" means "customers") look for a woman, they want it all...sexy, intelligent, and able to do a lot of things (interpret that as you see fit).
A G1 fits most of that. A G1, while not the sexiest in the world, is decent enough looking...but what she lacks in looks she makes up for by being highly intelligent and capable of performing a variety of tasks you may hope she can do...as a woman.
The Android prototype in the picture may be able to do a lot of tasks, but she can't do everything...and, while intelligent, she is seriously to fat (wide), to short (squat and square) and way too fricken ugly to really be considered anything more than a friend (like when you look at your buddies cell phone that was a free give-away for signing a contract).
Now, to really get the whole package, Android phones need to take a page from Apple's book and make something super sexy like an iPhone with all the other Android and tech components in the G1...only with longer battery life.
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Well, maybe you could ask him for advice and then always do the exact opposite. I bet that would be a pretty effective strategy.
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Haha yeah that might work huh?
Honestly, I'm not too attracted to the iphone. It's plane, too skinny to be comfy, has one button, not my type. Maybe if she was the last girl in the bar at the end of the night i'd take her home, but i'd leave before she woke up and deny it to my friends..
The exact reason why Android based phones are going to blow away Apple and Blackberry.
http://www.googleandblog.com/adobe-...d-at-mobile-world-congress-in-barcelona/3785/
HAHA at "not even close".... suckers.
me im weighing my options tbh.
it's either going to be a moment...which i currently have a offer on
moment2
N1 if it EVER comes to sprint!
or maybe the next gen webos phone?
im not buying the evo as most are, im not fond of the design, too bulky IMO.
I'm going for the Evo. I was also concerned about the size, so I went to a T-Mobile store and scoped out the HD2. The size wasn't as bad as I'd feared.
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EVO !!!
no looking back
hero for now. maybe evo at the end of the year. ( my bday present ) etc.. whatever it is is will be android on sprint thats for sure..
whatever it is it'll have a hard keyboard, be on Sprint, and run Android.
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I've already brought my Palm Pre out of retirement and the last five updates that it received while I was away (yes, five!, and a phone that is actually supported and receives updates was surprising to me too) have really made it shine. It's a completely different phone. The high-performance 3D games rock, the web browser kills the one in the Hero, and the whole experience just feels better designed, more natural, and far more professional overall.
WebOS kicks major ass and with HP backing it and "doubling down" on the operating system I think that it has an enormous amount of potential, especially with updated hardware. So my next phone is definitely going to run WebOS. I'm tired of this fragmented Android nonsense and manufacturers who don't stand behind their products at all.
The WebOS homebrew community is utterly amazing as well. They actually publish the source code for their modifications and work together under one project:
http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page
Palm also supports them wholeheartedly. You don't have to root your phone, you simply enter the Konami code (literally by typing upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart--a badass easter egg) and it gives you full developer mode access to the device. Palm also publishes the source code that they modify (including the Pre's Linux kernel) under the GPL. They do this automatically without their customers having to stage a formal Twitter protest and waiting four months like HTC made us do last time:
http://opensource.palm.com/
To all my fellow Hero owners, best of luck with your abandoned handset. To those of you who decide to stay with Android, best of luck with your future abandoned handset.
Now that I know Fixxer isn't getting one, I'm going with the Evo.
@Sawawa good luck with your abandoned company (Palm). Whatever talent hasn't already quit will likely be muted by HP.
Maybe I have low expectations, but I only expect a cellphone to last me 6 months - 1 year. The Hero has done that already and still has plenty of life left in it. Whichever Ebayer gets mine will be lucky.
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Now that I know Fixxer isn't getting one, I'm going with the Evo.
@Sawawa good luck with your abandoned company (Palm). Whatever talent hasn't already quit will likely be muted by HP.
Maybe I have low expectations, but I only expect a cellphone to last me 6 months - 1 year. The Hero has done that already and still has plenty of life left in it. Whichever Ebayer gets mine will be lucky.
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Only one person has quit, and his position was obviated by the HP acquisition. The other executive, the Director of Carrier Marketing, was quite clearly fired for failing to properly market the device, but was allowed to leave gracefully to save face. No one else has left. They believed in the company enough to stick with it while things were dire, I doubt many of them are now suddenly eager to leave with the future looking so bright. HP didn't just spend 1.2 billion to watch the asset that they purchased languish and die.
Whatever. I'd rather be on a platform with some upside. The situation with Android is deteriorating, not getting better. If Google really releases Android 2.2 at their upcoming IO Conference in a few weeks (as is widely expected) can you imagine what kind of clusterfuck that will be?
1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 = LOL
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Only one person has quit, and his position was obviated by the HP acquisition. The other executive, the Director of Carrier Marketing, was quite clearly fired for failing to properly market the device, but was allowed to leave gracefully to save face. No one else has left. They believed in the company enough to stick with it while things were dire, I doubt many of them are now suddenly eager to leave with the future looking so bright. HP didn't just spend 1.2 billion to watch the asset that they purchased languish and die.
Whatever. I'd rather be on a platform with some upside. The situation with Android is deteriorating, not getting better. If Google really releases Android 2.2 at their upcoming IO Conference in a few weeks (as is widely expected) can you imagine what kind of clusterfuck that will be?
1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2 = LOL
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HP killed the Ipaq (PDA), HP also killed the Voodoo brand after they bought it in 2006, so I wouldn't put it past them to squander an asset. I think competition drives better results, so I hope HP can keep Palm together.
I also fail to see Android segregation as hurting anyone. Apps that don't work on different versions aren't available in Market by design. Someone running 1.5 who is upset they don't have Latitude without buying a new phone doesn't qualify as a clusterfuck.
Old phones become obsolete, despite the platform. Check out the Iphone 4.0 software, only the 3gs and the new Iphone are actually going to utilize the majority of the new features available.
I'm at a crossroad and totally not sure what phone will be my next. i have to say that I want an EVO really bad but at the same time, I want a phone that will have prompt future support. My current thinking is that HTC (devices other than Nexus) does not fit that bill. So, at this point, I'm leaning toward the Nexus.
EVO
HDMI Dock = WIN
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Now that I know Fixxer isn't getting one, I'm going with the Evo.
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haha, whats with you? jesus man let **** go.
fixxxer2008 said:
haha, whats with you? jesus man let **** go.
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What are you talking about?
The first morestown powered android phone.
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if a fixed nexus one comes to sprint this summer I'll buy it. I'm not a fan of the size of the evo. I'm thinking I can hold out for android 2.2 devices if necessary.
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The first morestown powered android phone.
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I have high hopes for this also. Maybe it will be my Evo replacement... I wonder how long until we will see production handsets?
troyboytn said:
I'm at a crossroad and totally not sure what phone will be my next. i have to say that I want an EVO really bad but at the same time, I want a phone that will have prompt future support. My current thinking is that HTC (devices other than Nexus) does not fit that bill. So, at this point, I'm leaning toward the Nexus.
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My thoughts exactly. I have a bad taste from what happened with 2.1 on the hero. I don't wan to re-live that with the evo. I think the nexus one would be my next choice also.
I have a pre also and will most likely sell it but if hp makes a super phone in the near future, I will probably go back to webos. I like webos but it is just not growing at a rapid pace and with all the stability issues with the company. The phones not selling for as much as it used to on ebay. I am gonna get out so I don't lose too much money.
Evo and XDA Devs, FTW! Sure hope toast and Flipz get one too.
I'm not eligible to upgrade till who-knows-when, so there will most likely be some exciting phones out by then lol. While I do love Android, I am also a little anxious to see what Blackberry OS 6 (and by then some new hardware) brings to the table. Regardless of OS, I'm fairly certain my next phone is going to have a physical keyboard.
Evo all the way. Since I wasn't thinking when I made my XDA user, I'll have to change it to EvoMeng
Apple did a good job selling it's next product, as usual. it announced a product and with it a firm release date in the very near future.
In contrast, Google screwed up the FroYo release as much as they possibly can. Google I/O announced FroYo on May 20th, with no firm date for release. That was just a few days short of three weeks ago.
Okay, so I am not worried about it to the point that I am ready to go all iPhone on your butts, I am just pointing out that Google has a lot to learn about rolling out a product.
They absolutely do.
Google is acting like a bunch of freaking amateurs.
I'm not the least bit interested in the iPhone, but I am jealous that they guys running Apple seem more professional and capable than do the folks running Google/Android.
It's embarrassing.
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Apple did a good job selling it's next product, as usual. it announced a product and with it a firm release date in the very near future.
In contrast, Google screwed up the FroYo release as much as they possibly can. Google I/O announced FroYo on May 20th, with no firm date for release. That was just a few days short of three weeks ago.
Okay, so I am not worried about it to the point that I am ready to go all iPhone on your butts, I am just pointing out that Google has a lot to learn about rolling out a product.
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Honestly, I feel the same way. Google I/O was great, but it was all just fluff. We didn't get anything solid. Nothing. Google can take some lessons here about giving people something they can hold on too. "Few Weeks" is not enough. I think one of the main reasons that people aren't out in front of Google with pitch forks and torches is that they "leaked" a 2.2 early release so we have a taste of it and something to play with.
All in all, I agree with you 100%, Google has a lot to learn.
On the flip side -
Apple introduced iAds today like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Well, hold the phone (lousy pun intended - deal), those little banners consume data. No biggie data is unlimit- whoa wait. Not it's not. Not anymore on Apple's carrier of choice in the USA.
I don't care how little data those little banners use - to promote a system that not only allows their use but encourages it at the expense of a user locked into a tiered data plan is reprehensible. Does anyone else see an ethical problem with this?
Then there is the practical issue - a user is at the hairy edge of his allotment without buying more data - well except for those pesky little banners that put him over the top. Nice job, Steve Jobs, you butthole.
Likewise, I think any Android PAID app should have all ad banners removed. I know this is a common practice, but it should be a rule. No app with banners should be available at all without a paid counterpart without banners, IMO.
Well sure we don't have a solid release date yet... but we also get more updates then 1 per year. Think on the bright side. At least Froyo 2.2 is already out, if not officially. I don't understand your complaining. Android can already do what the iPhone is just not catching up to.
If our Androids ran on Apple time... we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. Again, be happy you don't have to wait that long. Be lucky we get what we get. Plus 2.1 runs great anyway.
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we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. .
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at the rate Google is going.....
player911 said:
Well sure we don't have a solid release date yet... but we also get more updates then 1 per year. Think on the bright side. At least Froyo 2.2 is already out, if not officially. I don't understand your complaining. Android can already do what the iPhone is just not catching up to.
If our Androids ran on Apple time... we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. Again, be happy you don't have to wait that long. Be lucky we get what we get. Plus 2.1 runs great anyway.
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No, not complaining, stating some facts.
Apple = Solid release dates announced
Google = Vague mentions to releases that are coming "soon".
What should Google do? Follow the Apply model? Announce it 4 months ago, which is what Apple did, then wait until you release a new phone (which actually have hard dates) to launch the new OS... so if Google did this, we would be waiting until the Nexus2 to get FroYo. Sounds great guys! Not...
Take a nap or something.
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What should Google do? Follow the Apply model? Announce it 4 months ago, which is what Apple did, then wait until you release a new phone (which actually have hard dates) to launch the new OS... so if Google did this, we would be waiting until the Nexus2 to get FroYo. Sounds great guys! Not...
Take a nap or something.
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They should have STFU until they had a hard release date.
Period.
And they sure as hell shouldn't have released it to the freaking press who didn't pay a dime for their Nexus.
Old MuckenMire said:
They should have STFU until they had a hard release date.
Period.
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Stop whining please.
It makes the rest of us Nexus One owners look bad.
Talderon said:
No, not complaining, stating some facts.
Apple = Solid release dates announced
Google = Vague mentions to releases that are coming "soon".
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Simple facts...
Apple= Announcing new phone!
Google= Software update
Two different things. Google gave a firm date for the Nexus One.
And when has Apple ever given a firm date for a software update/bug fix? Oh, wait, they haven't... they have only ever given firm dates for new phone releases, and then said the exact same stuff Google has, that the new OS will be available shortly for other models.
ap3604 said:
Stop whining please.
It makes the rest of us Nexus One owners look bad.
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Dude you're responsible for yourself. I'm not going to shut up because you are insecure.
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Well sure we don't have a solid release date yet... but we also get more updates then 1 per year. Think on the bright side. At least Froyo 2.2 is already out, if not officially. I don't understand your complaining. Android can already do what the iPhone is just not catching up to.
If our Androids ran on Apple time... we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. Again, be happy you don't have to wait that long. Be lucky we get what we get. Plus 2.1 runs great anyway.
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I am just saying that Apple has their act together when it comes to product launches. Google does not. People had a much better understanding of what's coming and when with Apple's Keynote than they did at Google's. It left a lot less speculation and release anxiousness on the table. That makes for happier customers.
No doubt I'd rather be using the version of FroYo we are already looking at than iOS4. That wasn't my point.
Since Apple is now in the ad business (some vague 60% number thrown out there), why not get into the hardware business google?
HTC is a good manufacturer but lacks the innovation needed. Sony designs well but moves at a snails pace and makes horrible decisions.
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Very true. And on the flip side of that - Your responsible for yourself as well. So act like an adult instead of getting everyone tense on the forum with childish behavior.
I wouldn't be upset really. Tom Petty did say it best when he said "waiting is the hardest part". However if Froyo isn't finished, then we need to sit back and chill for a little while longer. I would be really mad if we get it (example) July 4th weekend and absolutely nothing has been added or changed.
Looks like we are all in wait and see mode..
Google needs to get it's act together on android. Microsoft is going to come after them, not apple not RIM. Microsoft and Google are aiming for OEMs and OEMs have already complained about google's way of releasing android updates.
I was shocked when Andy Rubin said that they don't have road-maps for version release. Google needs to look at Mozilla for their planning.
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Very true. And on the flip side of that - Your responsible for yourself as well. So act like an adult instead of getting everyone tense on the forum with childish behavior.
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Rather than try and start a flame war, just post your opinion like I did and move one. If you cannot handle an opposing opinion, the internet may not be for you. If you're getting tense reading my posts, take a valium, but I will post any way I want(within forum rules of course).
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piss off, pantload.
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It's ok attn1... I know if I was always screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling" about the release of Froyo I'd be a little tense too
HP announced they are exiting the consumer biz and dumping their tablet,and smart phones claiming tablet was not successful.
I really hope WebOS gets picked up. It was starting to look promising.
Didn't the tablet just come out like a month ago? It must have really bombed.
I am not a shareholder but if I was, I would be really mad that some idiot paid 1.2 billion for something to discard it...
They can pay all the lip service they want. It is dead.
I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
the touchpad actually seemed really cool. if i didnt get my transformer, that is the one i probably would have picked. it was smooth, and intuitive. the only thing that held it back was the small amount of apps that it had.
I'll be picking up a Touchpad in the fire sale, at a sub-$200 price it should be worth it.
It's gonna be a lot more expensive because it will become a rarity! And it's gonna be a collectible since it won't be made anymore, right? No fire sale for you! More like a water auction. ..
Hah. HAHahhaha.
I was thinking the same . Maybe be on the lookout for a dirt cheap tablet. It plays 1080 right
Nvm 720
HP's PC, tablet and phone businesses would really be in better hands if they were in any hands but HP's. HP products are generic and undistinguished. Maybe a spinoff could be a Lenovo starting with a lot more product depth. But they'll probably just part it out.
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I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
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I alsmost did. I created an account yesterday to start learning webOS and several hours later... this. At least I didn't waste any more time.
no. WebOS needs to be shoved in a room with Android and let them do sweet love. and come up with WandroidOS...
WebOS was pretty slick with its home screen and cards. now that i think about it. android should do that. have cards that show the preview of what processes are running and just slide up to kill selected processes i know ATK, but this would be better... at least i would think so...
Frankly, I'd just open source it.
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I am not a shareholder but if I was, I would be really mad that some idiot paid 1.2 billion for something to discard it...
They can pay all the lip service they want. It is dead.
I feel sorry for any developer that has wasted time buidig apps for WebOS.
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Well if Google's recent purchase says anything they got a deal. They got all of palm's patents. Palm was a frontrunner in the touch screen PDA, gotta count for something.
I don't think WebOS is being canned all together, HP are just stopping their development on it, "discontinuing operations" as they say. I read a few articles like: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41592/hp-ditches-webos-devices-pre-touchpad
In this is states they'll explore options to optimise the value of WebOS which basically is going to be them selling/licensing it on and not keeping it exclusive to HP devices anymore. Personally this would be far better as HP want to focus on their B2B rather than B2C and obviously don't see it as profitable which it isn't as they'd need serious development to keep up with Apple. Opensource as mentioned or licensing it to manufacturers is the only way it's going anywhere. Who knows this could pick up where Meego never went. Only a few months ago there were whispers from inside HP suggesting contact had been made between Samsung and HP about use of WebOS in Samsung devices, WebOS is definitely not dead but instead this could be exactly what it needs.
On another note HP are also looking to pass off their Personal Systems Group, i.e. Desktop and Laptop business to focus on B2B. This could become the next Lenovo - IBM buyout, wonder who will take that on.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/18/hp-will-discontinue-operations-for-webos-devices/
I think what is more interesting is HP "spinning off" their PC business. Possibly dumping PCs by HP is huge, and really shows the impact of mobile devices like droid and ios. Clearly, the HP strategy to roll-your-own OS on mobile failed but Google and Apple have been great successes.
My TF from ASUS is very useful, more than I expected. So, I am interested to see who remains in a couple years.The elephant in the room is China.
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I think what is more interesting is HP "spinning off" their PC business. Possibly dumping PCs by HP is huge, and really shows the impact of mobile devices like droid and ios.
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This is really surprising since HP is the #1 PC maker. I guess they are following IBM. Maybe Lenovo can take over HPs business.
Where is the value in WebOS
I think what we will see is that HP will auction off the patent portfolio that they acquired with the purchase of Palm. When one considers the rush from Apple, MS, and Google to buy up whatever hits the open market, it's quite possible that HP can see that the patents have more value then the long, slow slug-fest that exists in the marketplace for Tablet's and Phones. Let's not forget that Nortel's patents sold for $4.5 Billion, and Google's purchase of Motorola Mobility for $12.5 Billion
Steve Jobs is like: "All your base are belong to us!"
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AvRS said:
I don't think WebOS is being canned all together, HP are just stopping their development on it, "discontinuing operations" as they say. I read a few articles like: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/41592/hp-ditches-webos-devices-pre-touchpad
In this is states they'll explore options to optimise the value of WebOS which basically is going to be them selling/licensing it on and not keeping it exclusive to HP devices anymore.
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I see that as simple PR spin, trying to claim a negative is a positive. They aren't just going to flat-out say "we wasted a fortune bringing a product to market, only to ditch it a month later."
Honestly, discontinuing the Touchpad just a month after it went on sale, and leaving customers with what's basically expensive, unsupported bricks which nobody wants to develop for has already generated a storm of negative publicity for HP and WebOS, and will engender a lot of ill will with customers, along with the poor word-of-mouth that will bring.
What manufacturer would want to release a WebOS device when it was already struggling to get any visibility whatsoever against Android and iOS, even before a large portion of the remaining folks that were aware of it were suddenly given a reason to despise it?
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What manufacturer would want to release a <NAME THAT> device when it was already struggling to get any visibility whatsoever against Android and iOS, even before a large portion of the remaining folks that were aware of it were suddenly given a reason to despise it?
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Well, MS is not yet a manufacturer, but still....
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/08/does-apotheker-need-an-apothecary-why-hp-is-exiting-the-pc-business.ars
Pretty interesting article on how HP is leaving the pc business...
Kinda sucks as I was always thinking WebOS showed promise. They just didn't do enough with it. Almost seems like they didn't even try to make the most of it either. Sucks, but that's what happens. Look at RIM. Take the next step or bow out. My goodness, it just sucks when you see something promising and it just wilts and fades.
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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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Agreed. It was probably dead before then, since there was almost no developer support for it. A shame really, I really liked using WebOS for the short time I had a Pre. It just never got paired with the hardware that it deserved.
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WebOS was dead the moment HP bought Palm.
Anyone could see that.
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While maybe forecasted, some had hope. While it was evident that work needed to be put in, some expected there would be. It is a got dayum shame. As well as many, I was personally looking for the WebOS push, more than WP7.
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github said:
Agreed. It was probably dead before then, since there was almost no developer support for it. A shame really, I really liked using WebOS for the short time I had a Pre. It just never got paired with the hardware that it deserved.
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It was, but it could have possibly been revived if the right company would have bought Palm.
That didn't happen.
I remember being on the Precentral forums when the HP merger happened.
Everyone was jumping for joy... I and a few other forum members were attacked for not.
The problem in the beginning was hardware.
Then, once hardware never came [and subsequently took over a year to come], hardware was the least of the concerns.
I have more fingers on my hands than the amount of devs that were supporting WebOS when HP bought Palm.
HP didn't increase that number.
Yeah, hardware was only the first issue. In this day and age if you're going to introduce a new software ecosystem it needs to be ready to hit the ground running basically from day one. No one who already has a smartphone has the patience to wait for yet another operating system to catch up to its peers in terms of application availability.
HP never had a real vision for webOS; when I heard that they were going to shoe horn it into their printers I knew there was no hope for it.
HP was practically driven out of the consumer business by Apple.
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HP was practically driven out of the consumer business by Apple.
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And you base that claim on...?
HP has no one [No carrier, no manufacturer, no developer, no company] to blame for the failure of WebOS but themselves.
A person with a 55 I.Q. could have handled WebOS better.
mattykinsx said:
And you base that claim on...?
HP has no one [No carrier, no manufacturer, no developer, no company] to blame for the failure of WebOS but themselves.
A person with a 55 I.Q. could have handled WebOS better.
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HP said so themselves.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/08/18/live-blog-h-p-on-pc-spinoff-oh-and-earnings-too/
The tablet effect is real, and sales of the TouchPad are not meeting our expectations,” Apotheker says, explaining the movement of consumers from PCs to tablets as one of the problems with the PC division. So H-P is exploring options for its unit that “may include separation through spinoff or other transactions.
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This isn't just WebOS, this is their entire consumer PC division. Apple/iOS not only killed WebOS, but it weakened their PC profits enough to consider selling it off.
HP gave WebOS/Palm their last breathe, WebOS/Palm was dead long before HP got to it.
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HP said so themselves.
This isn't just WebOS, this is their entire consumer PC division. The iOS not only killed WebOS, but it weakened their PC profits enough to consider selling it off.
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HP is a lot like Palm, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue.
They can "say" whatever they want...
Whether or not Apple's i-lineup hurt WebOS/PC sales [which we're all sure it did] HP had gold with WebOS.
What did they do with it?
Nothing. Less than nothing.
No one's fault... but themselves.
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HP is a lot like Palm, I wouldn't believe them if they said the sky was blue.
They can "say" whatever them want...
Whether or not Apple's i-lineup hurt WebOS/PC sales [which we're all sure it did] HP had gold with WebOS.
What did they do with it?
Nothing. Less than nothing.
No one's fault... but themselves.
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webos might have been good but as a platform it was already lost. hp picked up a dead platform the day they bought it. few companies could have turned it around at that point, maybe only apple themselves.
detusueno said:
webos might have been good but as a platform it was already lost. hp picked up a dead platform the day they bought it. few companies could have turned it around at that point, maybe only apple themselves.
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Maybe, but they chose it.
They could have went the Android route(or many others) but chose to try to start their own little ecosystem.
Either way, HP should look in the mirror if they want someone to blame.
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Maybe, but they chose it.
They could have went the Android route(or many others) but chose to try to start their own little ecosystem.
Either way, HP should look in the mirror if they want someone to blame.
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what would have hp done with android? everyone is on android and it sure isn't selling in the tablet market. they didn't care about phones either, they wanted in on the tablet market, the same market which is set to bring down their consumer pc market in the next couple of years.
they tried but right now nothing is taking down the iPad. a integrated direction with webOS/touchpad was a smart move but it was about dead already.
detusueno said:
what would have hp done with android? everyone is on android and it sure isn't selling in the tablet market. they didn't care about phones either, they wanted in on the tablet market, the same market which is set to bring down their consumer pc market in the next couple of years.
they tried but right now nothing is taking down the iPad. a integrated direction with webOS/touchpad was a smart move but it was about dead already.
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The tablet market is far too new for anyone to make a claim of victory.
The average person doesn't even have interest in a tablet[right now], much less own one.
Anyone that is backing out already, well, it shows they really don't know how to run this type of business.
HP could have turned their PC market into a tablet market.
They could have taken WebOS and transformed the industry.
They didn't even try.
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The tablet market is far too new for anyone to make a claim of victory.
The average person doesn't even have interest in a tablet[right now], much less own one.
Anyone that is backing out already, well, it shows they really don't know how to run this type of business.
HP could have turned their PC market into a tablet market.
They could have taken WebOS and transformed the industry.
They didn't even try.
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tablet market is new? yup. now look at the ipad sales figures. then consider that the ipad is single handily making hp get out of the pc market.
hp ships more pcs than anyone else. they know how to put products out, if not them then who? webos aint cutting, neither is android. i think microsoft and windows 8 will have the best shot but apple is killing everyone.
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tablet market is new? yup. now look at the ipad sales figures. then consider that the ipad is single handily making hp get out of the pc market.
hp ships more pcs than anyone else. they know how to put products out, if not them then who? webos aint cutting, neither is android. i think microsoft and windows 8 will have the best shot but apple is killing everyone.
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But its not just the ipad.
Its the whole "mobile market"
An example...
I have the Evo.
Just the Evo, no tablet.
Do you know when I go on a PC(laptop)?
When I have to write a paper or study stuff for school.
That's it.
Otherwise, I use my phone.
Apple/i-devices didn't make that true, mobile technology as a whole did
As I type its from my Evo, not a pc/laptop.
I'm not alone.
HP just sat there and 'road the wave' on laptop and desktop sales.
Their "attempt" at mobile technology was a joke.
You know I can already see other name brand pc companys going out of business. It's a lot cheaper building your own computer these days, who wants a bloated desktop with a dozen antivirus programs that expire in 30 days.. Not me..
I love webOS and this sucks but one good thing is the HP touchpad is going on sale for 100 bucks. I'm gonna snag at least 2....
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I love webOS and this sucks but one good thing is the HP touchpad is going on sale for 100 bucks. I'm gonna snag at least 2....
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SOLD out
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