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Got my phone a few hours ago. Speed is really nice, battery already looks to be as impressive as I thought it would be (2.5 hours of playing with it continually and it hasn't budged), and it overall just feels like a well constructed quality device.
The screen however is another thing. The biggest problem is the colors are washed out, and the contrast seems to be pretty bad too. Going to play with a store demo tomorrow, hopefully I just got a bum one, but I'm getting the feeling after stuffing everything else in there they decided a to cut costs with a low quality lcd.
Really its qhd or super amoled? I wanna buy one but needs to match or be better then my nexus s screen.
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The resolution is qhd, 960x540, which is nice, you get used to having the extra resolution real quick. The panel however is just a regular lcd, not amoled.
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Got my phone a few hours ago. Speed is really nice, battery already looks to be as impressive as I thought it would be (2.5 hours of playing with it continually and it hasn't budged), and it overall just feels like a well constructed quality device.
The screen however is another thing. The biggest problem is the colors are washed out, and the contrast seems to be pretty bad too. Going to play with a store demo tomorrow, hopefully I just got a bum one, but I'm getting the feeling after stuffing everything else in there they decided a to cut costs with a low quality lcd.
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The qHD screen looked really damn good from the demo I saw in the store. I put it up against my IP4 screen, which was admittedly a little better (crisper and a little brighter), but the Atrix screen easily takes a close second from any device I've seen so far.
The color of screen is a huge disappointment to me.
Yeah people are saying you can't expect the vividness of the captivate. That's obvious, they're completely different kinds of screen the atrix's screen was never going to be as vivid. I'd just like the colors to actually be the correct shade, yellow is especially bad.
I turned auto brightness off and jacked it up to about 50%, helped the colors, but doing that really makes the pentile "matrix" show up.
I think the screen is pretty damn good.
The captivates S AMOLED is overaaturated compared to the LCD screen of the Atrix. qHD is just a higher resolution screen.
I have the captivate, my room mate just got the Atrix. I too am extremely disappointed in the screen quality. Still, everything else about the phone is great so far.
The screen is akin to the droidX screen which is terribly washed out and unsaturated. I doubt I'll ever have a display as nice as the super amoled for a long time since I don't like samsung. their stuff is all cheap feeling
First of all samsung is a pretty well regarded company in terms of overall quality of their hardware. Secondly, any sort of oled display will oversaturate colors, and you have become used to that. Any photoeditor/photographer will tell you that between the 2 displays, the Atrix will produce to most accurate color reproduction.
I have a Nexus One, S, and Atrix 4g that came in today.
Side by side, the Atrix's screen leaves a lot to be desired IMO. My Nexus S screen's black are so much crisper on the same settings and same extra wallpaper with flat black.
Other than that, my Nexus S just simply looks sexier as a phone but I am really enjoying the functionality of my Atrix. Sticking with Atrix since I'm stuck on ATT unless an ATT Nexus S comes out.
This is very, very disappointing news. I really wanted this phone but not if it has a sub-par screen. That's the most impressive thing about my SGS. It's the one thing Samsung got absolutely right. And I'm not willing to settle for less. Some say the colours are over saturated but I would take it's screen every single time over the IP4's. And considering the SGS2 is coming with an ever better screen... Well, it's beginning to look like those bastards are getting my money again.
Depressing.
This is very bad news to hear, I was really looking forward to yhis phone, but im too used to amoled screen, moto has to come up with sumthing similar
Screen brightness/contrast is one thing (amoled vs lcd)
resolution is another... 800x480 is overplayed and ugly, nothing has challenged the iphones retina yet
The atrix is a first in higher resolution, and I think thats a winner for me
This comes down to personal preference. The atrix screen to me is far better than the captivate and nexus simply because it doesnt exaggerate colors. I cant stand the over saturation on the SMOLED screens. Its literally brutal to look at.
the screen is not bad at all, you people are exaggerating
the camera on the other hand is kinda ... meh ....
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This comes down to personal preference. The atrix screen to me is far better than the captivate and nexus simply because it doesnt exaggerate colors. I cant stand the over saturation on the SMOLED screens. Its literally brutal to look at.
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the galaxy s 2 supposedly has a more natural colors, lets wait and see
800x480 resolution fail. One reason its difficult to look at those screens.
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the galaxy s 2 supposedly has a more natural colors, lets wait and see
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Would love for the sgs2 to have a higher res though.
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Sitting next to my Captivate, the blacks look washed out, but text looks way better. The higher res is nice and Im willing to give up the darker blacks.
Not to mention that my GPS locks in under 5 seconds and I didnt have a reboot yet.
Once you fully switch over and use the Atrix a bit, you wont notice the black level.
I have an amoled incredible that I picked up a few weeks ago, and I love the screen, but it's so hard to see in daylight. I understand that "super" lcd screens have a layer of glass removed, which would mean that the screen is closer to the top, which should make it easier to see in sun light. Is this true?
Anyone have pics of both screens? I got my incredible for an excellent price, so if the SLCD is better I can easily sell the incredible on ebay and purchase an SLCD one.
Hmmm...I haven't heard that the S-LCD screens had a layer of glass removed. I knew the Super AMOLED ones did, but I hadn't heard about that for the LCD version. I guess someone with more knowledge will have to respond. That'd be interesting though.
I thought that's what the "super" in amoled or lcd meant...layer of glass removed.
which one is better?
I have seen both and it really isn't that big of a difference. It only makes it about 10% better, still very hard to see in sunlight.
I have the AMOLED version (bought December 2010) and I have no issues what so ever seeing my screen no matter what lighting. Could be me or how I set my screen brightness, but I'm not using any screen protectors or anything. Just my $.02
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I have the AMOLED version (bought December 2010) and I have no issues what so ever seeing my screen no matter what lighting. Could be me or how I set my screen brightness, but I'm not using any screen protectors or anything. Just my $.02
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Yeah I've read plenty of small text perfectly fine and never noticed any blurriness. I have an AMOLED, and same goes for images and video's, as long as they're actually high quality then they're crystal clear- so can't complain.
The differences must be really subtle. My bootscreen is completely black, and in the dark it really is black and not an off-grayish black that I see on most other screens on phones that I've had.
The differences are so small, they are really close in comparison.
I have a lot of trouble with glare when out in the sunlight with my AMOLED, I usually just keep brightness at 40% and block the light with my hand. Otherwise, i dont really check my phone when in the sun because it's too much of a hassle
I had an AMOLED Nexus One and now have an SLCD Incredible. I often had trouble seeing the Nexus in the sun but can't recall that happening with the Incredible. I'd say there's a definite difference.
the difference is huge. no offense, but your opinion isn't worth much if you haven't had both screens.
i had the amoled screen from may 2010 to february 2011 and then got an slcd replacement device and instantly saw the difference. when i first look at the phone i saw a 'crispness' that wasn't there before. it took me about 15 minutes to realize it was because the phone was slcd not amoled. To be honest, I'm really glad i was sent an SLCD because i love it now. The screen is SOO clear. I typically use my phone for internet and social networks rather than for watching movies so an SLCD benefits me in those ways.
depending on how u use your phone will most likely decide if you like an amoled vs an slcd
Its all a matter of opinion, I've seen the slcd versions and hate that they are so dull and listless
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Its all a matter of opinion, I've seen the slcd versions and hate that they are so dull and listless
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yeah its definitely opinion lol (i dont mean to say anyone's wrong hah, just saying that everyone sees things differently), because i look at my screen and go 'wow thats clear!' i dont really see a hugee difference with the colors besides the blacks
Colors can be a matter of preference, but I don't think there's any debating sunlight brightness. Some may not be bothered much by AMOLED's washout in direct sunlight (perhaps you live in the Pacific NW or you never go outside), but that doesn't change the fact that SLCD is actually brighter in those conditions.
Another variable I don't see mentioned enough in these AMOLED vs SLCD discussions is that of compatibility. For the average person on the street, it's a non-issue, but for those of us who love to tweak our phones, the AMOLED is an easier version of the Inc to own. Most mods are compatible between both, but there have been recovery versions, kernels, and other things that have only worked on AMOLED Incs.
Is it a deal-breaker? Probably not. Someone usually comes along with an SLCD fix for these mods later... but I'm just throwing it out there as something to consider. If you flash a lot of stuff, AMOLED just makes life easier.
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Another variable I don't see mentioned enough in these AMOLED vs SLCD discussions is that of compatibility. For the average person on the street, it's a non-issue, but for those of us who love to tweak our phones, the AMOLED is an easier version of the Inc to own. Most mods are compatible between both, but there have been recovery versions, kernels, and other things that have only worked on AMOLED Incs.
Is it a deal-breaker? Probably not. Someone usually comes along with an SLCD fix for these mods later... but I'm just throwing it out there as something to consider. If you flash a lot of stuff, AMOLED just makes life easier.
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This was mentioned in the last thread like this. I and several others said we have never run into something that wouldn't work on SLCD. I've flashed nearly every ROM and most kernels here. The only time I had to do something different was flash a SLCD-compatible recovery, which took about 2 minutes to figure out and I haven't touched it since.
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The only time I had to do something different was flash a SLCD-compatible recovery, which took about 2 minutes to figure out and I haven't touched it since.
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Sure - it only took you 2 minutes to figure out because someone had already figured it out. The early adopters were pretty distressed when they only got a black screen though.
Like I said - not a deal-breaker, and if you're patient then someone will come up with a SLCD-compatible version of the item in question. But it comes and goes. There were certain versions of 2.x recovery that didn't work on SLCD... then the community figured it out and everything was copacetic. Then there were certain versions of 3.x that had problems on SLCD... so it's not as if these issues just go away forever once someone figures them out.
I'm just saying the only thing that required a special flash was the recovery. All roms and kernels have been fine.
No kernel issues related to SLCD?
Like I said, these problems are usually found and sorted out fairly quickly. The fact remains that there are intermittent compatibility issues that require devs to tweak their work to support SLCD.
Ok so if you're bleeding edge then sure, AMOLED will reduce issues. I just don't think anyone should feel an SLCD is going to hold them back from the development scene. As an Android junkie going back to the G1 days, my SLCD Incredible hasn't held me back one bit.
I love my AMOLED. I play lots of old school emulated games on my phone when I'm on the go and they look absolutely gorgeous with the wide spectrum of colors. Plus, AMOLED screens are akin to tube televisions with an interlacing effect, which while it does make text harder to read it also helps mask the low res imperfections of these older games.
Samsung seems to have fixed the issue though. We'll be seeing the best of both worlds soon.
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Burn-in, image retention, colors degrading with time my god there are so many issues with SAMOLED screens I personally dont feel that super amazing contrast is worth all that.
It seems with the galaxy S and nexus S the problems werent as huge as they have become with the SGS2, galaxy note and galaxy nexus. With an LCD phone if there is a problem it will be manufacturing problem and not something that would develop after several months.
It seems with every new generation of SAMOLED screen the image quality is getting better but the problems are getting worse. LCD's on the other hand are only getting better with no problems.
I think if samsung is unable to improve on the SAMOLED tech then they should just suspend it for now until they can improve it. Samsung makes the beautiful LCD on my nexus S, samsung also provides HTC with the screen of the HTC one X which is widely regarded as the best smartphone screen. Samsung also makes the screen of the ipad 3. Samsung obviously knows how to make an LCD thats better than the competition if they were to make one for their own flagship.
So what is your opinion on the matter?
people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
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manojcitc said:
people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
gs2...
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Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.
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Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.
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But this doesn't sort out (mainly):
-Unnatural colours which need severe and constant attention as individual OLED lifetimes progress
-Strong possibility of burn in and an effectively similar effect (due to OLED lifetimes as above)
-Generally weak outdoors
I'm not sold on either path for the long term, but there is no denying LCDs in the current day have blown past practically all of their disadvantages. The only benefit i see of OLED technology in the foreseeable future is the ability to produce a "true" black (and lower power consumption as a result). While this is an awesome benefit, there is more far bad than good beyond this.
I'm unsure how far engineering can take OLEDs though. If we're hitting the peak of the bell curve i'd have to agree with the OP. Otherwise, competition and choice is good.
After using a samoled screen I could NEVER go back to the washed out colors of a standard led. I have yet to see any type of burn in on my screen. 90% of it's life will be with screen off anyway so really who cares.
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Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....
This tech of display was a junk which has used on benq-Siemens mobile phone five years ago.
However, Samsung bought this from someone who develop this screen and keeping develop until now. The problems still don't fix:thumbdown::thumbdown:
In my eyes, Samoled looks really gorgeous and can't live without it. But that's just my opinion.
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Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....
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No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.
Heck even the nexus S i9023 has such a great LCD in my opinion. The colors are more saturated than an iphone 4 but not so much as SAMOLED which in my opinion is the best balance. It's also so visibly sharper and much better whites. If nexus S had retina pixel density then the SC-LCD could match the one X to be honest.
The advantages of SAMOLED are,
Pure blacks
Fastest response time
A smaller footprint which helps in making phones lighter and thinner
Now to me only the first one is a major advantage. But is it worth all the problems? I really dont think so.
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My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex
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Yes exactly when I first used the gnexus I thought it's going to blow away the display on my nexus S but it really didnt. I preferred the colors on nexus S and it was also visibly brighter at full brightness.
The gnexus does destroy it in black level but then the nexus S LCD does the same to the gnexus when you compare whites, they were simply horrible on the gnexus. I am really surprised google went with a white background in the messaging app, it not only looks bad on the gnexus but would kill battery as well.
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No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.
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Here in the states it is rare to see people with a nexus period. Most that you do see are the sprints. Chances of a 9023 are basically nil.
But yeah if you know someone with a phone that has a good LCD check it out. Or just go down to the store and look. Better yet wait till sprint stores in the us put its version on HTC one x on display. Use that side by side with gnex
That last part was to the person that said LCD sucks. Not harbb
I find it really interesting that most of the people commenting in the thread seem to prefer LCD, but the poll dominates for SAMOLED.
Good point albundy, and i know what you were saying I've never actually seen an i9020A/T/4G myself so i can't compare them to the GNex and i can't remember the last time i saw an SGS around here.
As the poll is worded quite nicely, i think i'll actually vote for once. Too many polls are black and white, nicely played Gambler.
edit: Polls are just that, polls. Just as many people said cpuidle saved more battery than deep idle (i think for quite a while it was more in favor of cpuidle). Look at how that turned out
Back when I would edit photos on my nexus. I really wanted the exact right shade for my eyes on the picture.
Well after I edited the photo on my nexus, upload it to Book it was diffdnt
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Guys, I had a Nexus S i9023 (LCD), and my dad has a i9020T (samoled), and all i can say is that I wish I had his phone... the colors look MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer on a Samoled man!!!!!!!
Coming from a G2, the colors on the NS look much nicer. My phone has a minor blue line where the status bar is, but you really can't see it unless you concentrate on that area. The only reason I saw it was because of some friggin' super white background on some webpage
even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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Go f*ck your iphone
Ps : sarcasm
Heh. Maybe. I enjoy looking at them. Had I been serious about taking photos, I'd probably get an actual camera.
Well I just got my Nexus 4 yesterday and immediately noticed that the lower part (about third) of the screen was very slightly more yellow, the whole right edge slightly more dark and overall the screen looked a bit washed out compared to other Nexus 4's I've seen in shops on display.
This is a long long running problem with LCD screens that the manufacturers probably don't really care about because most people sadly (for the rest of us) don't care enough about screen uniformity when using their phone to reject it and send it back for replacement or refund when they get a dud. It's a *ginormous* pain in the crank shaft for me because I just think it's slipshod manufacturing reinforced by people who just "make do". Anyway..... I digest....
I've already contacted Google Play to request a replacement to be sent out and will keep doing so until I a) Get a phone with acceptable uniformity i.e. uniform whites on web pages, google books, uniform solid colours elsewhere or b) I give up trying if I don't get an acceptable replacement.
I know it's possible to make LCD screens with great quality and uniformity because Apple do it and the HTC One X has one of the best screens I've ever seen. These two have, as far as I've seen also had the same issues. It seems like a *very* widespread issue and an odd one at that.
So what's the reason? Why is it happening? How can we, the consumer, make it stahp!
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Well I just got my Nexus 4 yesterday and immediately noticed that the lower part (about third) of the screen was very slightly more yellow, the whole right edge slightly more dark and overall the screen looked a bit washed out compared to other Nexus 4's I've seen in shops on display.
This is a long long running problem with LCD screens that the manufacturers probably don't really care about because most people sadly (for the rest of us) don't care enough about screen uniformity when using their phone to reject it and send it back for replacement or refund when they get a dud. It's a *ginormous* pain in the crank shaft for me because I just think it's slipshod manufacturing reinforced by people who just "make do". Anyway..... I digest....
I've already contacted Google Play to request a replacement to be sent out and will keep doing so until I a) Get a phone with acceptable uniformity i.e. uniform whites on web pages, google books, uniform solid colours elsewhere or b) I give up trying if I don't get an acceptable replacement.
I know it's possible to make LCD screens with great quality and uniformity because Apple do it and the HTC One X has one of the best screens I've ever seen. These two have, as far as I've seen also had the same issues. It seems like a *very* widespread issue and an odd one at that.
So what's the reason? Why is it happening? How can we, the consumer, make it stahp!
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tbh thats a characteristic of IPS panels. You will get some form of light bleed pretty much on all IPS panels. If you don't want that, then go with a phone that has an OLED display.
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tbh thats a characteristic of IPS panels. You will get some form of light bleed pretty much on all IPS panels. If you don't want that, then go with a phone that has an OLED display.
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I'm coming from Galaxy S1 and that's 2 years old. It's starting to burn in quite noticeably now. The HTC One X IPS screens in shops now (I've checked quite a lot in different places) are very very good and very uniform now.
Anyone know who manufactures the HTC One X screens?
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I'm coming from Galaxy S1 and that's 2 years old. It's starting to burn in quite noticeably now. The HTC One X IPS screens in shops now (I've checked quite a lot in different places) are very very good and very uniform now.
Anyone know who manufactures the HTC One X screens?
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Like I said, you can't escape it for the most part. All the phones that you see are probably at reduced brightness settings in a well lit area. Go into a pitch black area and turn the brightness to 100%, you will see either IPS glow or some sort of bleed. I've owned a couple of Dell Ultrasharp monitors and all of them have had either a little bit of bleed or IPS glow.
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Like I said, you can't escape it for the most part. All the phones that you see are probably at reduced brightness settings in a well lit area. Go into a pitch black area and turn the brightness to 100%, you will see either IPS glow or some sort of bleed. I've owned a couple of Dell Ultrasharp monitors and all of them have had either a little bit of bleed or IPS glow.
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Sitting right in front of a dell utrasharp, yep, true! But it doesn't bother me! Same for the n4.
I have the same "problem." I don't care.
I'm not sure understand peoples need to spend all that time and energy repeatedly RMA-ing their phone. Unless its significantly hindering the use of the device; deal with it.
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If apple can keep some uniformity amongst it's iphone displays over manf. can (and probably do) so I voted "they don't care".
That being said my n4 has been great with minimal light bleed, same as my IPS monitors.
I voted dont no, dont care.
I don't care either. But Im color blind.
R: AAAAAaaaaaargh! Dam u LCD Manufacturers!
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I'm coming from Galaxy S1 and that's 2 years old. It's starting to burn in quite noticeably now. The HTC One X IPS screens in shops now (I've checked quite a lot in different places) are very very good and very uniform now.
Anyone know who manufactures the HTC One X screens?
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Sony screen
Inviato dal mio LG-P920
My n4 is also yellower on the bottom half. I wouldn't fuss over that..its like that with every N4. If you want a perfect phone pay more and get an iPhone
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Actually mine is getting better
I dont know why
There are used to be 2 thumb sized yellowished spots at the bottom screen
Still show up sometimes when the device is hot
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I have the same "problem." I don't care.
I'm not sure understand peoples need to spend all that time and energy repeatedly RMA-ing their phone. Unless its significantly hindering the use of the device; deal with it.
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Well it's that attitude that's causing the manufacturers to make phones with a "don't really care" attitude towards the quality of the display. What's hard to understand? If I want to view a white page reading books or surfing in Chrome I want all of the screen to be "white" not the top two thirds white and the bottom third slightly brighter and noticeably tinted "yellow". These phones *are* their screens - surely the thing that you're using MOST on the phone and interacting with needs to do it's job properly and display uniform colours and uniform brightness. I understand that manufacturing panels to this specification takes possibly more effort but the reason they don't seem to bother seems to be down to people just accepting any old crap that they give us. Which is your choice - but not mine and not a lot of other peoples' choice either. You might not agree but surely you can "understand"?
I notice and care.. but I have forced myself to not care any more
... Not enough to make me regret my purchase of the HTC One.
My previous phone was a S3, which I absolutely loved and had me seriously excited about the S4. However, holding the one I knew which one to go for. Had my one for about 2 weeks now, and I love it but had that niggling worry that I'd regret my decision.
Today, that worry was cleared up.
The Samsung rep visited us today with an s4. and I got to play with it for a short while. Yes, the ability to interact with the screen without touching it is pretty cool, but apart from the lock screen I started getting frustrated with it (kept touching the screen). The health app is very nice, and laid out really well, but like many of the other features, its just not something I need or want.
The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
The screen on the S4, in my opinion is much nicer than the one on my One. Granted, the One has quite a dark coloured interface and the S4 has a very colourful vibrant interface, but I just felt the colours were much more alive than on the One.
The build quality is nice on the S4, with all completely uniform gaps around the device, where as the one has gaps etc. However, the S4 does indeed feel cheap to hold. The texture of the plastic doesn't feel amazing, the weight is nice but just lacks that... premium feel.
I know most of these points (if not all) have been covered on reviews etc. but I thought it might be nice to put my 2 pence in as a HTC One owner and previous Samsung user. I do not regret my purchase and still feel I have bought the better device for my own needs and wants.
raty
cool story bro
For balance just to say my One has no gaps, perfect build.
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Post on s4 forums .
To be fair I'd love a display with a bezel like the S4 but wouldn't sacrifice the quality of the screen in the One for a S4 display.
The thing is..the screen on the S4 is OLED so the colours will look far more vibrant but, they wont be accurate and its a pentile display. I am quite keen to get my hands on an S4 just to see what its like.
I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
Goof choice. I was on deciding which phone to get for a month. Chose the HTC one . Boom sound is awesome. Sense is pretttyyyyy compared to touchwiz. For 649 vs 750 for a s4, it was a no brainer for me. Also im going to sell hundreds of s4 throughout this year anyways lol
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I would say the HTC One is like a Rolls Royce Phantom and the S4 like a Nissan GTR.
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Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
My HTC One has no gaps at all.
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dobknobby said:
Some nice info there mate! I think the only thing i prefer on the S4 is the AMOLED display.
Can i ask a question? Before i do, i know the S4 has improved ALOT on the PPI on the display, however, when i had the S3 i also had my One X, when holding them together, the screen on the One X was such much clearer! Much harder to see the Pixels, but on the S3 the pixels stood out like a sore thumb? Was this something you noticed on the S4 compared to the One? Or have they dramatically improved on this and its now similar to HTC? This is something i would like to know.
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I was curious about this too, as I had hopes AMOLED had been improved. But honestly I see the same flaws as on earlier iterations:
Dirty whites (turquoise), even in film mode (early measurements reported accurate color temperature, but if you look at it, it is clear that RGB balance is off) - most colorimeters can't measure OLED correctly.
Quite a bit dimmer than the best LCD displays
Discoloration with off axis viewing
Are you sure you prefer the AMOLED screen? I have had an AMOLED for the last 2 years and I can't look at them anymore. AMOLED were OK when LCD's were dimmer, but now the gap is huge.
Honestly, if you can, try browsing the same web pages in parallel on the S4 and the One. It is literally "night and day". It doesn't need to be outdoor. Even in the store the HTC One's screen strikes you as the more vibrant one. I will likely be measuring the S4's screen myself because I don't believe those early measurements that showed a 6500K color temperature. The screen has a green push even in film mode...
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ratykat said:
The actual UI felt laggy, like it was running slower that 24fps. Switching through home pages on both devices at the same time and it just looked smoother on the One. The Samsung rep said he felt otherwise but he is paid to say that
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I also saw that!!! I was very surprised by this considering my S2 had a smooth experience. I don't know if the overclocking created voltage throttling but it was as you said, laggy and reminded me of the HTC One X when it first started. The browsing experience was horrible.
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
The new oled screen in the S4 is amazingly good. It's actually far superior to the S3 screen.
I played with it on Sunday and I like it.
It's really nice and it will definately sell really well. I love the fact that they added easy mode. This will be such a great way to get noobies to switch to a smartphone($$).
I still prefer the One and I hope it does well. I feel like the One is meant for a different type of user. Samsung is for the mass and the HTC is for those who care.
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NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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I have seen the display mate contribution. I like their approach but I don't agree with their conclusions (and it should be noted they have been fierce promoters of OLED displays since the Galaxy S came about).
For one, they fail to mention that even though the measured white color temperature is close to 6500K, the whites actually suffer from greenish cast - so pentile does matter, as there is a discoloration depending on how you look at the screen, and sadly, looking straight at the screen shows a turquoise veil whereas looking more from the side seemed to clean the screen a little from its dirty whites.
Second, the auto-adjust brightness feature taxes the battery so much that no one in their right mind will use it on the go.
When measuring pentile OLED displays it is important to note:
The orientation of the meter has an impact on the measurement, especially on screens with asymmetric structure such as pentile screens...this is something that I would like to quantify on the S4 when I get a chance
Colorimeters will not measure OLED displays correctly out of the box (this point is not relevant here, though, because I think Displaymate used CS-200 spectrophotometer)
So the theory is one thing, but the practice is completely different story. Please believe me that when I saw the measurements made by Displaymate and others I was quite enthusiastic (my S2 does not track as accurately). But while testing both screens in a real life situation, it became very clear to me the AMOLED screen did not live up to its alleged qualities, even in film mode.
Regarding peak brightness, HTC One also has an adaptative brightness mechanism with peak brightness at 530cd/m², but in daily use it is more around 460cd/m². Regardless, the lack of brightness is not totally offset by the better reflectance value, so OLED displays still are poorer performers outdoor and it is even worse indoor under moderate lightning as the S4 does not tap into its peak brightness at any time...
So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
hello00 said:
cool story bro
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wow really?
NZtechfreak said:
Are people here actually really paying attention to the S4 screen characteristics?
Firstly, pentile is IRRELEVANT at this PPI.
Second, colour accuracy is good and excellent in the Adobe RGB and Movie modes respectively. Whites are FAR more accurate than the HTC One.
Maximum brightness is less than the One, however sunlight legibility is essentially equivalent due to decreased screen reflectance.
Some fresh reading at Display Mate about it, for those who aren't satisfied with the several 'early' measurements taken by a number of sites.
I know everyone in this forum wants to straight up believe the HTC One has a far superior screen, but it just ain't so folks. Don't get me wrong, the One also has a truly excellent screen, but I just don't see its screen as being a selling point or differentiator in comparison to the S4 screen (neither do I think the S4 screen should be used as a rationale to buy an S4 over an HTC, they're both excellent).
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That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
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So my question to you. Have you been to a shop to compare both devices and if so, can you in good faith maintain that the HTC One's display does not trounce the S4's AMOLED? The difference was shocking to me. At first I thought it was down to my particular unit but seeing as someone is reporting the same experience, I think this is the screen as it is on any S4 device.
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Hopefully tomorrow! I'm meant to be getting my HTC One this afternoon unless Fedex fails me (usually they are very reliable here in NZ, so I'm hoping not). I get my S4 tomorrow.
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Don't forget the common issue with ugly screen burn in that most people experience with AMOLED from Samsung, pretty big issue as its a matter of when not if and sometimes happening inside of a month, don't even need your screen on for this to happen.
Noidea why this hasn't been mentioned and really should be on the side of the box as a warning.
patato2 said:
That's true, I wouldn't even bother nitpicking on S4's screen. The only concern could be AMOLED tends to deteriorate faster(which is impossible to tell right now), otherwise I don't see a big con on S4 screen. I feel more comfortable with LCD but hey , a well-calibrated AMOLED isn't bad at all. it's just about preference.
Honestly, if anyone could tell a difference between 440/460 ppi, or even 720p/1080p on a phone, and I'll consider you the "God's eye". I got a phone with 330 ppi (darn it was good at that time) three months ago, and I could not easily tell the difference from my nexus7(~220ppi).
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Pentile doesn't matter so much because of resolution but more because of the greenish discoloration it produces. Dynamic or Film mode has no impact, it is just an inherent flaw. Sure you can get used to it but you come back to an LCD screen you realize what you have been missing out on.