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Backup battery on Universal

Can anyone tell me why I can't see a display for a backup battery on my MDA Pro, previously on the Alpine I had a main battery display and a backup batt display??????????

because there is none.

i gathered that much but is there a reason, does it mean if i let my current battery run dry i will lose data because theirs no backup???

no you won't loose anything becaue the data is saved on presistent storage in all WM5 devices unlike in the case of WM2003SE where it was saved on RAM

ady said:
because there is none.
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There is a second battery soldered in the Universal,
but it is probably only for the RTC.

In WM2003 and earlier devices, as in PalmOS, the "Storage" for users is actually a part of the device RAM, which means that if it loses power you lose the contents, where the other part of the ram was used as execution memory (ie, like the ram in your desktop pc). In WM5 (and presumably later) this is the other way around, all Storage is in the device's (flash) ROM, and the RAM is *only* used as execution memory. This is why WM5 devices like Uni tend to have 128 megs of rom and 64 megs of ram whereas earlier devices tended to 64 megs of rom and 128 of ram. So basically you're not losing any more data by running out of juice than you would if the power failed on your desktop PC: If a particular piece of software is careless you might lose what's currently opened and unsaved, but everything else is persistent.

Strange Memory Leak

hi everyone, i would like to know why the hell everytime i insert my SD card i lose about... 10MB of RAM? and when i remove it, they come back, this is really annoying, and no i don't have anything running @ startup from the storage card.
Thanks in advance everyone

I too have been experiencing a memory leak but didn't know whats causing it. Now that you mentioned this, i pulled out my Mini Sd and Ram to 15mb free, i plug it back in now there is 5.7mb free. I just hard reset this morning
What rom are you using? I'm on Summiter's customized 2.17 w/a2dp
and the apps installed on device mem is as follows:
Opera Browser
SPB Pocket +
Resco Explorer V5.40
Skype
Micro. Voice Command
and a bunch of reg edits.
Now i just got some error with "relprog.exe" and i sent the error report and now its down to 4.9MB free..
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I just soft reset and when it turned on it reported 10mb free, took out mini sd and now its at 18 free....

Nothing strange about that. It simply memory reserved for running the SD. card data, working space etc. It's the same thing on your PC. Though you might not notice it since you probably have about 2GB of RAM like me

like someone said i guess we are still beta testing this windblows mobile 5, and alabij, that makes sense but since i have a nokia 6630 too which is on a symbian platform and that does not happen, i really thought this was very strange

we are beta testing(and paying 500bucks)
for wm5
this things gonna happen

double post...

the problem is i don't remember this happening on my Jam(magician) sp3, sp3i or sp5... started recently(within this month) on my kjam(wizard) and i don't think its normal for a storage card to take 10mb of ram to be accessible. My device is basicly crippled with this BS! i can't run anything with 4mb of ram. I think i'm gonna hard reset next week and run my device barebone(nothing installed) and see if it does it just to prove taht 10mb ram is not needed to read a miniSD card.
I've had a lot of headaches over wm devices but this is by far the worst because for every other problem there is a solution. there may be a solution for this, but so far no ones reported one yet.

yes, no way should it take that much to run a memory card. i just tested mine and it takes less than a third of a megabyte. not sure if this helps, but i had a bad card which often brought my mda to its knees trying to cope with it and all its bad sectors. maybe try formating it or trying another.

so is it really just devilboy1488 and I that are experiencing this?

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fone_fanatic said:
so is it really just devilboy1488 and I that are experiencing this?
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i upgraded to Cingular Official AKU 2.2 ROM and this stopped happening
Thanks All

Normal load - card in - 13.7 free
Normal load - card out - 17.9 free
Using the newest summiter rom.

try using the official rom

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fone_fanatic said:
so is it really just devilboy1488 and I that are experiencing this?
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i upgraded to Cingular Official AKU 2.2 ROM and this stopped happening
Thanks All
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mine did not it uses 4/5 mb.

cinguler 2.2?
where did you get the Cingular Official AKU 2.2 ROM? I have the Cingular 1.8.11.1 right now, I got my phone off of ebay and it was unlocked. If I install the official Cingular ROM will it relock the phone?

What is a normal memory? I was running close to 20, before but I had to hard reset, and now I am down to 14-15. Is that OK? I am using the 2.17 rom, havent updated to the latest yet. It is so much hassle, to keep upgrading.

I'm running the 2.21 ROM and use a 512Mb miniSD. When I eject it my program RAM drops from 17.74Mb to 17.50Mb. It is consistant with every eject and insert. The storage RAM doesn't change at all.

i think i found the problem. Last night i reflashed my device with the official imate rom and after installing all my regular apps and all the reg edits, i was back to square one. From 21mb free to around 10mb after i insterted my memory card. so i undid a few reg edits such as increase font cache, glyph cache, and the 2 enhanced perfomance reg edits which increase storage manager cache sizes. So basicly all the cache increase reg edits were causing this, or so i noticed from my little test. Now i've got 21.95 free without card and 19.65 free with the card in which is a lot better than before

Igo8 failed to reserve virtual address

I have the following issue with Igo8:
When I want to start Igo8 it says: "failed to reserve virtual address"! After soft-reset Igo8 starts normal.
Can someone know something about this issue?

Same problem here. RAM Cleaner doesn't solve the issue either. For me, it seems that the problem only occurs if I already started iGO8 earlier; it doesn't occur if I've got the phone running for multiple days without starting iGO8.

Yes the same with my TP2 and IGO8....

This problem has been bugging me too. RAM cleaner fixed it for me once on a level 3, but never did since. I'm thinking memory leak?

I have the same problem too, what I did was usually I disable the T3D before I run the iGO8 (8.3.2.x), this usually help without have to reset my TP2. That is why iGO support said they did not cerified it work on TP2 (even most people said it work great on TP2). Used at your own risk.

I have experienced this issue few times, ussually when I turned it on for the third or forth time (or later on) in a given time, soft reset fixed it.

I am experiencing the same strange behaviour.
I have to shut down and then it restarts correctly.
Obviously it's not a certified device

Thanks for your replies. It's really annoying to soft-reset the device everytime, when I need IGO8. I hope to find a solution for this annoying problem...

Update to the latest version Jun 8 2009, 8.3.2.93112.
I think they solved the problem.

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Update to the latest version Jun 8 2009, 8.3.2.93112.
I think they solved the problem.
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I still have the problem with that version. What made you think that version fixes it? Any reference?

bogypop said:
Update to the latest version Jun 8 2009, 8.3.2.93112.
I think they solved the problem.
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Where can I find this official update? I have regularly bought mine and it has a lower reference number...

I allready have the latest version of IGO8 (Jun 8 2009, 8.3.2.93112). But thx for your advice though...

Hi Guys,
I was having the very same issue with my TP2 but it seems I managed to trick it by using the following sequence of events.
1. Disable TF3D
2. Soft-Reset the device
3. Once the device was operational again I started iGO8
4. Exit iGO8 then re-enable TF3D
5. Start iGO8 again and check if it works (it did for me)
6. Soft-Reset the device again and let it load all it's stuff including TF3D.
7. Start again iGO8 to check if it would still work (it did for me).
Well... it works for me since then, but on another note I don't have too many softwares installed on my device at this time so I'm not sure whether or not iGO is having memory leak problems. I'm pretty sure that the issue is coming from an incompatibility between TF3D and the iGO interface and also the same was confirmed by other people on the various forums.
Right now I'm using the latest available iGO8 v8.3.2.93112 (not instaled just running it straight from the storage card).
I hope the above would help you out, but in any case should anybody find a better stable solution, please let us know about it.
Cheers,

Hello this is a memory problem...i have notice if the ram is under 70 MB this error will come.....

Hi All
Yes, this is solely a memory (RAM) problem.
What is the problem you may ask, well, the phone takes a truckload of RAM to simply ...run.
Consider this.
Specified RAM - 288mb.
Available 'total' RAM - 288mb, minus 100mb = 188mb.
RAM in use (OS + TFlo) - 288mb, minus 100mb, minus up to 130mb = 60mb.
Available RAM to actually use is often 60mb or less with no running apps!!!!
This is a serious issue with this phone, it is not fair and even misleading for the consumer - i mean really, not enough memory to run just ONE app!!!
(Granted, a GPS app is large, but the device does have the chip, doesn't it?)
C'Mon.... I bought a phone with 288mb of RAM, not 60mb - [email protected]%#[email protected]!!!!!!!
Don't get me started on the specified ROM size of 512mb, of which we get to actually use just 277mb....
Cheers to all
Jabberoo

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Hi All
Yes, this is solely a memory (RAM) problem.
What is the problem you may ask, well, the phone takes a truckload of RAM to simply ...run.
Consider this.
Specified RAM - 288mb.
Available 'total' RAM - 288mb, minus 100mb = 188mb.
RAM in use (OS + TFlo) - 288mb, minus 100mb, minus up to 130mb = 60mb.
Available RAM to actually use is often 60mb or less with no running apps!!!!
This is a serious issue with this phone, it is not fair and even misleading for the consumer - i mean really, not enough memory to run just ONE app!!!
(Granted, a GPS app is large, but the device does have the chip, doesn't it?)
C'Mon.... I bought a phone with 288mb of RAM, not 60mb - [email protected]%#[email protected]!!!!!!!
Don't get me started on the specified ROM size of 512mb, of which we get to actually use just 277mb....
Cheers to all
Jabberoo
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I think that this is not the problem. My kaiser will run Igo8 With high resolution, buildings, TTS enabled, etc with just 25mb free memory. why can my kaiser do it with 25 mb and the TP2 not with 60mb free memory?
Verry strange...
The second thing that I dont understand is that the problem will come directly after starting IGO8. My kaiser will run slow or crash when it has too less memory remaining. but by the TP2 it will give an error directly after starting and BEFORE loading the app... This will give me the idea that it is a verry simple and basic problem...
update: I've noticed that IGO8 will run fine on the TP2 with Touch flo 3D disabled with only 35mb ram...
Ranney

Well, ran into the same problem on my Igo8 too. Like others said, I have to soft reset it everytime when I encounter that problem...really frustrating it will waste you couples of minutes to do soft reset and wait for the apps to comes out.
Well, i have tried all versions, but still getting the same stupid virtual address. Almost give up, but I like Igo8 interface very much.
I dont know this is really works for you or not. Without me realized after I have installed SecondToday and then ran my Igo8 from here, then I never have this problem again EVER!!! I am a heavy user of this Igo8, cos every where i go, i depend on this gps software. Now I never have this problem again. Thanks Godness.
Hope this help.

hi,
I have got similar issues but in my case it was (most likely) due to the skin I was using (gurjon 6.9.2p).
After I reverted back to the original igo's skin, I have not been reported with any error since last few days.
I am using 8.3.2.97313 [July 3rd] release.

I'm wondering whether a newer WM6.5 ROM will solve it. Maybe Manilla 2.5 (or 6) may make a difference. I'm currently playing around with NRG's ROM, and will monitor iGo8 over the coming days.

i use windows mobile 6.5 without any touchflow. and i have to softreset too.
i can start igo8 any time i want but if i dont softreset before, i will lost the gps signal every 10 seconds.

ReadyBoost.. Worth using?

Finally decided to buy a new laptop to replace my old one. It came with Windows 8 (x64) pre-installed and 8GB DDR3 physical RAM.
My question is: Is it worth using ReadyBoost on the system?
Currently it only has a standard 5400rpm HDD, and an SSD isn't an option for the time being. I have a 16GB Class 10 UHS1 MicroSD card which I had dedicated to ReadyBoost, but after some digging, it seems like ReadyBoost is pretty much useless if the system has more than 1GB of physical RAM.
Sent from my GT-N7105

ReadyBoost is potentially useful with any amount of RAM, but the point at which it becomes useful varies depending on usage. If you only ever run one 2MB install footprint / 5MB working set program on Windows, 1GB of RAM is plenty and ReadyBoost won't help you; SuperFetch will happily cache that program in the handful of spare RAM that the system already has. If you run a ton of background processes that use up 6GB of RAM at all times, and then periodically want to run a program that has a 10GB install footprint, then 16GB of ReadyBoost (which is just SuperFetch cache) will dramatically improve the load times for that program.

Thanks for that. I've had my lappy for more than a month now and my RAM usage rarely goes above 20% (and never goes above 24%) so I don't think RB is necessary for me.
I also read on somewhere that ReadyBoost can wear out a device through constantly writing to it. Is that true? Can ReadyBoost do more harm than good?
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I dont use RB, nor superfetch either..truth is i disable all but bare essentials.
Ive also heard that rumor, about excessive wear. Im sure there is some truth to that. Usage causes wear. Just how much wear I have no idea. Im sure it dont help mechanical drives...ssd's prolly dont bother them. *shrugs*
Best practice I have found is just to keep your system maintained, and clean of bloat/malware.
With todays hardware, gains im sure are marginal at best. Seriously you cant wait n extra second for that app to load?
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@KCA.: In your case, I don't think you would benefit much from ReadyBoost, no. You can always add it later if you want, though. I mostly find it useful with games that have very large install footprints, as Flash memory reading is typically much faster than magnetic hard disk reading. However, reading from RAM is much faster still, and if you're only actively using up to about 2GB of your RAM, that means the other 6GB is already being used for a SuperFetch cache.
@13lack13ox: Your system, your choice of how to use it... but unless you're already seriously stressing out the capabilities of you hardware, caching (which is all that SuperFetch and ReadyBoost are) can significantly improve performance. On an old machine I had with 1280MB of RAM, loading Eve Online (which at the time had about a 2GB install footprint) took almost twenty seconds on Windows XP and only about six seconds on Vista (with a 2GB SD card being used for ReadyBoost) even though the system was massively above the XP minimum specifications and only slightly above the Vista ones. It's a much bigger difference than a mere extra second.
As for wear, it's true that RB will shorten the life of Flash storage. NAND Flash memory (the type used in all flashdrives, SD cards, SSDs, and so forth) has a limited number of write operations for a given block of storage, and ReadyBoost will probably write to your SD card much more often than it would be written to if it just sat in your camera or similar. However, the write limits for modern Flash storage are typically in the tens or hundreds of thousands of times, and the storage controllers use a technique called "wear leveling" to ensure that no portion of the storage gets burned out early. The SD card will almost certainly become obsolete due to size and speed well before ReadyBoost would wear it out, so if you want to use it for that purpose, go ahead.

13lack13ox said:
Best practice I have found is just to keep your system maintained, and clean of bloat/malware.
With todays hardware, gains im sure are marginal at best. Seriously you cant wait n extra second for that app to load?
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Lol can't argue with that.
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@KCA.: In your case, I don't think you would benefit much from ReadyBoost, no. You can always add it later if you want, though. I mostly find it useful with games that have very large install footprints, as Flash memory reading is typically much faster than magnetic hard disk reading. However, reading from RAM is much faster still, and if you're only actively using up to about 2GB of your RAM, that means the other 6GB is already being used for a SuperFetch cache.
As for wear, it's true that RB will shorten the life of Flash storage. NAND Flash memory (the type used in all flashdrives, SD cards, SSDs, and so forth) has a limited number of write operations for a given block of storage, and ReadyBoost will probably write to your SD card much more often than it would be written to if it just sat in your camera or similar. However, the write limits for modern Flash storage are typically in the tens or hundreds of thousands of times, and the storage controllers use a technique called "wear leveling" to ensure that no portion of the storage gets burned out early. The SD card will almost certainly become obsolete due to size and speed well before ReadyBoost would wear it out, so if you want to use it for that purpose, go ahead.
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Thanks for the info. I'll just leave it. Seems like the benefits are negligible.. A waste of a port

KCA. said:
Finally decided to buy a new laptop to replace my old one. It came with Windows 8 (x64) pre-installed and 8GB DDR3 physical RAM.
My question is: Is it worth using ReadyBoost on the system?
Currently it only has a standard 5400rpm HDD, and an SSD isn't an option for the time being. I have a 16GB Class 10 UHS1 MicroSD card which I had dedicated to ReadyBoost, but after some digging, it seems like ReadyBoost is pretty much useless if the system has more than 1GB of physical RAM.
Sent from my GT-N7105
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Readyboost uses high speed USB drives to swap kernel memory. If you have an SSD, there is no point. If you are using a conventional HDD, the readyboost will improve performance (that is why they made it). I use it on all my Windows 7 machines except my ultraportable, which has an SSD. With USB drives so cheap, why not? Of course, you need to make sure the USB drive supports ReadyBoost; not all of them have good enough performance.

Unless MS changed this since Vista, ReadyBoost does *NOT* swap kernel memory. ReadyBoost had a specific requirement that removing the device while it was in use shouldn't disrupt the system (even so far as crashing a program). Removing paged-out kernel memory would very quickly cause a BSOD. If you have any additional info, please do share it; I'm curious.
Now, it's possible that RB will act as a read cache (not a write cache, because any changes must be written down to disk) for the pagefile. In that case, it may still improve performance. However, what I read about it initially said it was simply additional SuperFetch cache (SF typically uses unallocated RAM to pre-load files that it expects you to need soon, based on past usage patterns, so that they are available instantly without waiting on disk access). For machine with limited RAM (or which load very large programs or files), SF can dramatically improve load times. RB storage, while not as fast as RAM, is still faster than disk access.
In any case, if you have gobs of RAM, ReadyBoost doesn't matter. The kernel won't be paging stuff out, so no need for a kernel swap cache. The pagefile won't be getting much use at all, in fact (some writes to "clean" changes in memory so it can be swapped out fast, but very few reads). Unless the files you access are large than your free RAM, they shouldn't slow anything down either.

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Unless MS changed this since Vista, ReadyBoost does *NOT* swap kernel memory. ReadyBoost had a specific requirement that removing the device while it was in use shouldn't disrupt the system (even so far as crashing a program). Removing paged-out kernel memory would very quickly cause a BSOD. If you have any additional info, please do share it; I'm curious.
Now, it's possible that RB will act as a read cache (not a write cache, because any changes must be written down to disk) for the pagefile. In that case, it may still improve performance. However, what I read about it initially said it was simply additional SuperFetch cache (SF typically uses unallocated RAM to pre-load files that it expects you to need soon, based on past usage patterns, so that they are available instantly without waiting on disk access). For machine with limited RAM (or which load very large programs or files), SF can dramatically improve load times. RB storage, while not as fast as RAM, is still faster than disk access.
In any case, if you have gobs of RAM, ReadyBoost doesn't matter. The kernel won't be paging stuff out, so no need for a kernel swap cache. The pagefile won't be getting much use at all, in fact (some writes to "clean" changes in memory so it can be swapped out fast, but very few reads). Unless the files you access are large than your free RAM, they shouldn't slow anything down either.
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OK, I should not have mentioned kernel. I found a short article that indicates it swaps out pieces of the software that would otherwise be swapped to the slower HDD. It will not crash because when it writes to the readyboost, it also writes to HDD - but it can read the readboost much faster than the HDD, so it increases performance when it has to pick up that data again. And the article mentions that more memory is better than readyboost (but I still use it on my Windows 7 machine with lots of memory).
Earlier explanations did not mention the pagefile, although that seems to be to be the better name for what is swapped. But I'm not sure about that. The early web postings indicated that it wrote parts of the Windows system that were frequently accessed.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tomarcher/archive/2006/06/02/615199.aspx?Redirected=true
EDIT: From the Q&A it sounds like it is indeed the pagefile.

Cool, thanks for the link! Sounds like it does indeed act as a read cache. Very cool.
Still probably not a *big* boost on a machine with lots of RAM, but I expect it'll help anyhow.

ASUS PC is acting weird

Guys,
I know that my question might be kind of off-topic in this section, but I'm desperate and it is still has to do with Windows 8, so:
I've got 3 year old ASUS K52Jc (i5 2.52GhZ, 4GB RAM, 600GB HDD, nVidia GeForce 310m + Intell HD Graphics) and as you see, it is a good mid-range machine even nowadays. I always took a good care of it.
So, lately (since the first time I installed Windows 8) it has strange behavior. It tragicly slowed down and started to heat, sometimes it's just blocks while I listening to music even on Windows 2.95 (very lightweight player) with no progs running. First I thought that it's happening because of Windows 8 drivers compatibility, so I decided to format and install Windows 7 again, but nothing changed. It is very strange because it blocks when I do normal stuff (internet, listen to music, watching movies, etc.) but when I edit movies (in After Effects CS5.5 and Premiere CS 5.5) and while I'm running heavy programms/games, my laptop performs great.
Lately, I've installed Windows 8.1 and problem is still there. I did chkdsk, ccleaner maintense, defragmented with defraggler, I've got good antivirus, and I did latest BIOS update, nothing changed. I've got services and startup programs well configurated.
This is very strange behavior and it's annoying. Is there any chance that someone in XDA could identify the problem and tell me solution?
P.S. Last month I cleaned fans and changed the thermo-paste. No luck, it's slow, has lags, has heating, it freezes randomly. And the worse of all is that any diagnostic I do tells me that there is no problem in software and hardware.
:crying::crying:
Any solution for me?

Most likely problem is the disk; did you do a thorough scan or just a file system scan? Another possibility is the RAM, but that's unlikely. Also, have you actually checked the CPU and GPU temperatures?
Also, for the record, 4GB of RAM is really marginal for a PC these days; I've got a 5-year-old tablet with that much. Normally I'd suggest increasing that to fix perf issues, but it sounds like that's *probably* not the problem. Keep an eye on utilization just in case.

Antique_Angel said:
Guys,
I know that my question might be kind of off-topic in this section, but I'm desperate and it is still has to do with Windows 8, so:
I've got 3 year old ASUS K52Jc (i5 2.52GhZ, 4GB RAM, 600GB HDD, nVidia GeForce 310m + Intell HD Graphics) and as you see, it is a good mid-range machine even nowadays. I always took a good care of it.
So, lately (since the first time I installed Windows 8) it has strange behavior. It tragicly slowed down and started to heat, sometimes it's just blocks while I listening to music even on Windows 2.95 (very lightweight player) with no progs running. First I thought that it's happening because of Windows 8 drivers compatibility, so I decided to format and install Windows 7 again, but nothing changed. It is very strange because it blocks when I do normal stuff (internet, listen to music, watching movies, etc.) but when I edit movies (in After Effects CS5.5 and Premiere CS 5.5) and while I'm running heavy programms/games, my laptop performs great.
Lately, I've installed Windows 8.1 and problem is still there. I did chkdsk, ccleaner maintense, defragmented with defraggler, I've got good antivirus, and I did latest BIOS update, nothing changed. I've got services and startup programs well configurated.
This is very strange behavior and it's annoying. Is there any chance that someone in XDA could identify the problem and tell me solution?
P.S. Last month I cleaned fans and changed the thermo-paste. No luck, it's slow, has lags, has heating, it freezes randomly. And the worse of all is that any diagnostic I do tells me that there is no problem in software and hardware.
:crying::crying:
Any solution for me?
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If it's acting up and there's no hints in even Task Manager of something chewing up resources, CPU could be running at base speed (SpeedStep). I had this problem in my wife's BRAND NEW i7-3770k box that I built and it turned out to be faulty RAM and possibly bad mobo. (I never re-tested mobo after I yanked it.)
So my suggestion - if you can try RAM one stick at a time. Also consider testing for several runs under MemTest. See if that helps confirm a RAM issue. If laptop is still under warranty, consider getting it looked at and make sure mobo isn't on it's way out.

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If it's acting up and there's no hints in even Task Manager of something chewing up resources, CPU could be running at base speed (SpeedStep). I had this problem in my wife's BRAND NEW i7-3770k box that I built and it turned out to be faulty RAM and possibly bad mobo. (I never re-tested mobo after I yanked it.)
So my suggestion - if you can try RAM one stick at a time. Also consider testing for several runs under MemTest. See if that helps confirm a RAM issue. If laptop is still under warranty, consider getting it looked at and make sure mobo isn't on it's way out.
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I'll try to test it with new RAM. Thanks a lot!