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Hi all,
Very impressed after watching this video on the Cyanogen Mod :
Demo video : http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...aster-flexycore-thanks-cyanogenmod-community/
I m pleased to share it with you and would like to know what you're thinking about this "droidBooster" which make an old HTC running at the same speed than a Nexus One! :
Whats the point of this?
What does a video of a video player proove? Wouldn't some real time benchmarks like linpack or quadrant be more proof.
Still why didnt they have 2 Nexus One's and show how much faster the one with droidbooster got.
All these booster softwares sound abit like all the BS booster softwares for windows.
sceptical...
Hmm I suspect that they are overclocking because they didnt mention anything about clock speed but lets hope that its legit
Edit: they have an apk in the market
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Imperial.mack said:
Hmm I suspect that they are overclocking because they didnt mention anything about clock speed but lets hope that its legit
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I hardly think they are overclocking becose that would make the software only runnable on rooted devices. Which would remove a huge part of their possible market share.
And overclocking with that much improvement in performance? Youd have to double the clock rates. Which on nearly all devices is damn close to impossible. Except for Desire-Z for example.
Unless they somehow are without Root overclocking it or changing the kernel to their own super optimized i dont really see how this is done.
nd the nexus one can fly beyond their limits?
They posted this video showing how it works basically:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAz9fRoDmA
Their software modifies the Dalvik code, which means that you do not only need to be root, but you also can't install this software without modifying your ROM.
From the web page http://www.flexycore.com/droidbooster-overview.html
"DroidBooster technology enables to compile any Android Java code in optimized native binary when generating the ROM, taking full power of the underlying CPU for high performance and low power execution."
This is not overclocking, but maybe be a paid app (and very expensive app)
Sorry 4 my poor english
It's actually more like Jit.
See this video for further explications : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEAz9fRoDmA
Lol ok took me so much time to answer that already 4 ppl posted !!
After looking at the company website who developed DroidBooster, I discover an other Video with a principle presentation of droidbooster.
"DroidBooster relies on compiling and executing any embedded Java Code of an Android system as binary." according to the video available here:
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this thing is kinda bs imo. And the guy's voice is just gay
LoL
I hope to come out soon
If this thing really does what the company claims, then Google will probably buy the code from them. Also limiting this software to rooted phones means it wouldn't make a ton of cash, and then expecting them to cook and sign their own ROMs is a weird business model. In other words, it's meant for developers only, so we kinda have to wait for official incorporation.
exciting! hope they support the nexus ..
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If this thing really does what the company claims, then Google will probably buy the code from them.
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No, I doubt this code is worth anything to google. All they say they are doing it converting the dalvic code into native code. If google wanted to do that they could very easily, the JIT they included with Froyo already does do it to some extent.
I won't believe this for a second. I have both the N1 and Magic, and I can safely say the N1 is MUCH faster. It should be a no-brainer, just look at the specs. The Magic was what -- the second Android ever!? They were bound to improve, and the N1 set the bar high a year ago. Now look at the plethora of fast devices we have, and the N1 can be thanked for that. I once read that one of the reasons Google launched the Nexus was to jump-start the "super" smart phone market, because manufacturers weren't pushing the bar far enough in their devices. N1 set a standard for the rest of them. The way I see it, the Magic was nothing more than an early experiment.
And I never had an issue playing videos on my Magic anyway. What proof is that? The N1 is definitely more responsive, boots 10x faster, never runs out of memory. The Magic pretty much requires an app killer; never needed one on the Nexus. I can go on and on, but I think I made my point.
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I won't believe this for a second. I have both the N1 and Magic, and I can safely say the N1 is MUCH faster. It should be a no-brainer, just look at the specs. The Magic was what -- the second Android ever!? They were bound to improve, and the N1 set the bar high a year ago. Now look at the plethora of fast devices we have, and the N1 can be thanked for that. I once read that one of the reasons Google launched the Nexus was to jump-start the "super" smart phone market, because manufacturers weren't pushing the bar far enough in their devices. N1 set a standard for the rest of them. The way I see it, the Magic was nothing more than an early experiment.
And I never had an issue playing videos on my Magic anyway. What proof is that? The N1 is definitely more responsive, boots 10x faster, never runs out of memory. The Magic pretty much requires an app killer; never needed one on the Nexus. I can go on and on, but I think I made my point.
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Not really. The point is that this guy is claiming to make java code run in native binary, thus ensuring that the CPU isn't doing unnecessary work to interpret and run java code. If possible (who's to say) then it would make a Magic run much faster than it does. It might even be feasible to suggest that it would run as fast as a stock Nexus.
Think about it this way, why is it that the original iPhone UI is so smooth? The code is optimized and run as a native binary, not some VM that has to be compiled and run by the CPU every time it wants it. Native code would make the Magic much faster.
The whole point is moot though, because this isn't something that you will see bundled into an .apk anytime soon. It might be novel code that Google picks up on and uses in later OS revisions though. Who knows.
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As i understand it will cost a high memory consumption, where 512mb of ram will be not enought for it (Actually its already not enough on miui rom with Dalvik VM, on nexus1 i have only 130mb free). And high power drain.
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Btw i dont believe it, they just want to make some money with air bubbles
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As i understand it will cost a high memory consumption, where 512mb of ram will be not enought for it (Actually its already not enough on miui rom with Dalvik VM, on nexus1 i have only 130mb free). And high power drain.
Welcome back to Windows Mobile
Btw i dont believe it, they just want to make some money with air bubbles
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"Only" 130MB free? It's 130MB that isn't ever used by the system, making it wasted 130MB, and you're referring to it as "only"?
This point was discussed zillions of times in Autokiller Minfree and "Don't need task killers" threads. Android has efficient memory management, Nexus having it VERY efficient since Froyo, much more efficient than really needed. It never uses its 400MB of user memory or even close to it.
Funny, how marketing affects people. They want more of the things they don't need.
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"Only" 130MB free? It's 130MB that isn't ever used by the system, making it wasted 130MB, and you're referring to it as "only"?
This point was discussed zillions of times in Autokiller Minfree and "Don't need task killers" threads. Android has efficient memory management, Nexus having it VERY efficient since Froyo, much more efficient than really needed. It never uses its 400MB of user memory or even close to it.
Funny, how marketing affects people. They want more of the things they don't need.
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Yeah, i call it "the only free memory."
Take a look:
You have 130mb left.
1)browser eats 65mb of ram. 65mb left
2)+some other apps that running at background/service.
So what i have in result?
My apps often be killed by android because out of memory.
The most anoying thing is when im surfing, writing some stuff on forums i get my browser killed with data lost. Its rare but still hapens.
Another real example: Dungeon Defenders. When i play it, i got almost all my apps be kicked from memory.
P.s. I know about wipe. Just moved to latest 1.1.14miui, have wiped everything 3 times.
P.s.2 ofcource it depends on how many apps you have and which rom you use. No problems with ram on stock android but i just dont like it, so...
The other thread has made me increasingly mental trying to find some decent information on what is working and what isn't working for SGS users upgrading to 2.3.2. I upgraded on Sunday evening without any issues and have been using it for the past 48hrs and have come across the following:
bad:
- no sip configuration options
- when integrated with MS exchange server, the unread count for emails never changes even after you read the mail
- default internet browser is horrifically slow, even with no other apps running in the background
- no samsung apps available (probably because this isn't an official samsung release)
good:
- android market works fine for me in Switzerland
- GPS works well with all the different apps i have
- wifi is interesting. it works, but i don't get full signal strength notification even when next to the access point
- FM radio, the most used app i have continues to work nicely
Overall I have been pleasantly surprised with this version. It's nice, although it's not an official release and is still leagues better than 2.1.x and 2.2. Would get a good argument from me about how it compares with 2.2.1..
gingerbread
its only a beta the official version will be better!
sdolgy said:
- default internet browser is horrifically slow, even with no other apps running in the background
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Is this with plugins enabled or disabled (on demand)?
sdolgy said:
... wifi is interesting. it works, but i don't get full signal strength notification even when next to the access point...
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What makes the wifi interesting? Should it really be in 'Good' seeing as though you dont get full signal strength?
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felleese said:
What makes the wifi interesting? Should it really be in 'Good' seeing as though you dont get full signal strength?
Thanks
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Well, for me, I am not downloading torrents on my phone. When I want to download, via wifi, apps from the market or something with dropbox, the wifi isn't not letting me down. I think there's a disconnect between what the graphic is reporting and the actual level.
It's good because it still works and is functional and allows me to keep using this on a daily basis despite its status.
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its only a beta the official version will be better!
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no doubt. not at all complaining. just wanted to document on my side what was working and not working so that i can compare in the future or maybe someone has a suggestion .. like the one about my default internet browser and plugins.
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Plugin setting is configured to "on demand"
Swype don't work.
GPS no satellites found.
Maybe we can compile a buglist?
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well its very early to give impression but its memory hungry battery hungry proned to black outs but to be honest when the bits all run nicely its good ive been running it over 24 hours now apart from mentioned problems its smooth looking forward to updates maybeys they will change ui and give us a few of the gingerbread goodies we all wanted ie tv of --3d apps screen and so on if you go settings then about and repeatadly press on version 2.3.2 i think about ten presses see gingerbreads easter egg at least they left us that lol enjoy egg hunting
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Thats a good idea.. Not only might it help Samsung, but it will discourage people from running it (and later whinging).
i got it running for a few hours and i generally enjoyed it, but the keyboard has no bulgarian (well it have in the options but it does not work) and if you run out of ram you are screwed (the phone hangs or gets tooo slow ).
as said samsung apps doesn`t work and the gallery freezes very often...
i hate that samsung removed the fancy animations and the black menu bar....
There's like no gingerbread keyboard and launcher
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1-3D performance
It's not as good as it was on 2.2.1. If you test some 3D games like NFS Shift, you culd see that it doesnt run so well as it did on 2.2.1
Some people even reports that they can’t even run lot of 3D games.
2-GPS
There are reports of a good gps performance, but I have read somewhere that it's contanstly throwing some kind of errors or bugs, I don't know how to check that. I guess they know it thanks to logcat or something like that.
According to what I could read on another forum they changed lot of gps files nad not is very similar to the ones of Nexus S, that's a good thing...
3-Keyboard
It’s also a shame that they didn’t include gingerboard keyboard…
PS: Some people might think that this thread isn’t useful, but as we are being kind of betatesters for Samsung it would be nice if we use this post only to report the most common bugs founds, so maybe Samsung could have a look at it and solve it faster.
sdolgy said:
- default internet browser is horrifically slow, even with no other apps running in the background
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Try to use supercurio kernel with voodoo lagfix enabled and it should solve the problem. Works for me when I used to have same internet browser issue like you
Skyfire is working very slow, I'm unable to watch ***videos
hiraj_panosian said:
Skyfire is working very slow, I'm unable to watch ***videos
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Same here, it was so slow till i had to restart my i9000.
I've been using it for the last two days now (one of them with Supercurio's Voodoo Hack) and I've been happy with it in some parts, but quite unhappy in others.
Lag:
First of all, it seems the "Lag" that was fixed in 2.2.1 is back. Especially with memory-Hungry applications like the Browser, the phone tends to just freeze up for a few minutes without really doing much. I even had to pull the battery one time. This does happen less with the voodoo-fix, but it's still noticeable. Flash also does barely work.
Gingerbread features:
The new Gyroscope-Driver seems to work and it works really well. Skymap and Starchart both looked a LOT better when using them, no fidgeting around all the time anymore.
The new Gingerbread animations are NOT present in this rom. It seems like Samsung thinks they don't fit into TouchWiz, which is a shame. So no glowing edges when overscrolling and no screen-off or screen-on animation.
3D Performance pretty much seems to be the same as on 2.2.1 Games load a little slower, but I think that's mostly because we're using an un-optimized kernel.
The Bluetooth-Driver unfortunately still is the same as in Previous versions. So Neither Wiiremote nor PS3 will pair with the SGS, unlike on Cyanogenmod.
Samsung-Stuff:
As was stated before, Swype does not work. However, I am in the Swype beta and was able to install the Beta of Swype into this rom after deleting the normal swype with root explorer. It works fine, even Voice input does work.
All in all, it is clear that this is beta-firmware and it doesn't really offer much in terms of improvement over 2.2.1, at least not yet. Cyanogenmod 7, even tho it supports less hardware and is more unstable, runs a LOT faster and smoother than this, is more customizable and uses more of the new Gingerbread features.
For now, I'll be going back to 2.2.1, it's more useful as a daily driver, but this at least looks promising so far.
Reverting back to 2.2.1. 2.3.2 is way too slow.
Well considering this is a beta it seems alot of the features that are suppose to be in the final build are here left out. That will give the reason for quite some things missing ( some animations, effects, lock screens, keyboards....) Plus also cause of the beta build maybe even alpha who knows, the performance for me is really bad, it feels twice as laggy compared to the 2.2.1 releases. All in all this build is an striped down, not optimized build for the samsung devs i guess. We will have to wait for a better build leak. Cheers !
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Reverting back to 2.2.1. 2.3.2 is way too slow.
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Agreed, I switched back to JS5, but for the moment I'm keeping JVE modem. It performs WAY better for me. No random UMTS-disconnects.
But as others said, it's just a beta.
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FM radio, the most used app i have continues to work nicely
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Is it stereo ?
I have a rooted nook simple touch.
Wondering if it is possible to get an android version like 2.3 on it.
2.1 doesn't support a number of google play apps.
taiwwa said:
I have a rooted nook simple touch.
Wondering if it is possible to get an android version like 2.3 on it.
2.1 doesn't support a number of google play apps.
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Currently no.
Also as far as I know nobody is working on that.
why not 2.2 or 2.3
why doesnt somebody want to get working on upping the android version from 2.1 to 2.2 , please
The effort vs. the benefit
steelworker said:
why doesnt somebody want to get working on upping the android version from 2.1 to 2.2 , please
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Every developer has a list of things he/she would like to do, and the list is always longer than the amount of time it takes to do them (which can be considerable).
Thus, they prioritize what they do, toward what will produce the most benefit. To them. It isn't a simple task to adapt any version of Android to any given hardware, and the Nook Touch hardware is different than most (mostly the display). Some apps that will run fine on a display with rapid refresh, don't work especially well on e-Ink screens with their slow refresh rate. Then there's the issue of processor speed ...
You will note that there is no CyanogenMod development (at least that I can see) for the Nook Touch. Tablets better suited to the task are so cheap these days (Nook Colors can be had used on Craigslist for about $60), that it's probably not worth the effort on the Nook Touch.
I speak as someone with two Nook Touches, that would like to use them in a dedicated USB-host-mode communications application. I'm willing to experiment a bit with the Nook Touches, but it's clear to me that there are better tools for the job.
Woke up this morning to my Galaxy Camera 2 claiming it was downloading a new software update (~130mb). Of course, there's no mention anywhere in the update process for what is included in this update, but I can definitely tell you that it's not Kitkat (sadly). Unfortunately, I didn't check version numbers prior to accepting the update (sorry), but here's the version numbers after the update:
Build Number:
JSS15J.GC200XXUCNK4
Kernel version:
3.0.31-2807772
[email protected] #1
Sat Nov 29 15:55:43 KST 2014
That's the same Build Number we've had since like April 2014, but the kernel definitely seems to have been updated. Maybe they finally fixed the loss of Google account settings issue??? I appreciate updates, but I really wish they would inform the customer better on what these updates fixed.
Ironically, for the first time in a long time, my Camera 2 had lost its Google Account settings when I turned it on this morning....haha.
Oh, I reside in Florida, USA. Not sure who else in the world is receiving the update, but according to SamMobile.com the Camera 2 update was hitting other locations around the globe starting 12/18/2014, but there's no mention of it hitting the USA at all.
Need to know if it's root able.
cantenna said:
Need to know if it's root able.
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As long as this fixes the problem of losing the Google account, I have no reason to root the camera. Plus, I still have this weird hope that Samsung will actually release a Kitkat update for it (haha), and with there basically being ZERO development for this device on XDA, I don't want to be stuck not able to update.
Well, it's been almost a week since this update and it's also been a week of heavy Camera 2 use with the holidays. I haven't lost Google settings even once.
Thus far my camera hasn't lost my Google accounts, and by now it surely would have happened
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internetpilot said:
As long as this fixes the problem of losing the Google account, I have no reason to root the camera. Plus, I still have this weird hope that Samsung will actually release a Kitkat update for it (haha), and with there basically being ZERO development for this device on XDA, I don't want to be stuck not able to update.
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Eh...
I didn't waste my time getting the Galaxy Camera 2, just got the One.
I understand your stress though.
Someone needs a swift kick in the butt so we can get development going for both devices.
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hmm am glad to see an uphdate still, though im really really hoping for lollipop which should allow RAW access for the camera.
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hmm am glad to see an uphdate still, though im really really hoping for lollipop which should allow RAW access for the camera.
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Assuming you do get it, could we transfer it over to the Galaxy Camera One, Wi-Fi Edition?
I don't like to be the rude one. But at this point, someone has to help root the Wi-Fi Only version, and come up with a Custom Recovery.
Not only this, but we need to see Devs, but we've got people sitting and pointing fingers instead.
I wanna see a ROM putting us all on a better version, or something more come to all the cameras.
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hmm, really wouldnt have thought so, its probably possible given the hardware similarities but i think that given the camera 1 and 2 have been such unpopular devices they havent warranted their own listings here i wouldnt hold me breath. the key to getting a ROM for a device is someone who is techy enough to do wanting to use one. i for one might like the camera but i would have absolutely no clue how to make a rom for it.
hmm surely there must be a dev out there who likes photos.
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hmm, really wouldnt have thought so, its probably possible given the hardware similarities but i think that given the camera 1 and 2 have been such unpopular devices they havent warranted their own listings here i wouldnt hold me breath. the key to getting a ROM for a device is someone who is techy enough to do wanting to use one. i for one might like the camera but i would have absolutely no clue how to make a rom for it.
hmm surely there must be a dev out there who likes photos.
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The Camera 2 has gotten support, but not what it needs.
And honestly, Developing ROMs isn't too difficult, I just don't have the time for it.
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The reason why you would want to root the camera is because you can instal Link2sd and Foldermount, with these two apps you can install theoretically 128G of apps
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The reason why you would want to root the camera is because you can instal Link2sd and Foldermount, with these two apps you can install theoretically 128G of apps
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Why would anyone want to put 128GB of apps on a camera? I mean, a tablet or phone, okay...but a camera? I just don't really see the practical purpose for that. The biggest storage hog on my tablet/phone is music and movies, and neither of those require the device to be rooted to store them on the external SD card.
Again, with the way Samsung is really clamping down on not allowing OTA's to be delivered to even just rooted devices, and with the basically non-existent development support for this device, I won't be rooting it until I'm 100% certain that there's no OTA update coming for it, and even then I would only root it if someone put out a reliable custom Kitkat or Lollipop ROM for it. Honestly, if Samsung won't update it, then I'm really not holding my breath that some 3rd-party dev ever will.
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The Camera 2 has gotten support, but not what it needs.
And honestly, Developing ROMs isn't too difficult, I just don't have the time for it.
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It would be a heckuva lot easier to port a Camera 2 ROM over to the Camera 1 (rather than develop a ROM from scratch for either camera model), but even that hasn't been done. I don't think there's ever going to be any original development on these devices (like a CM11 or CM12). Developing ROMs isn't terribly difficult, but it's not easy either, especially not on a device that is so driver dependent like these cameras are. Just about every Android device I've owned (phone or tablet) has problems with the camera not working in some way (if not completely) on any original development project. What good is a camera with the latest Android OS if it causes the camera function not to work or even not work reliably?
I think we need to face it, folks -- these cameras are pretty much as-is. At best we're highly dependent on whatever Samsung gives us.
Nope, I disagree. Rooting this camera is a damn good idea for so many reasons. Most tablet or phone dont have a miro HDMI, My camera, I can install apps without deleting and its not just a camera, its an android device by Samsung that comes with a micro hdmi and with a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, well if you have ever thought about buying an android TV box, this is a better replacement, it performs much better than majority on the market.
And yes I agree that stock ROMs with stock drivers perform better but asop base ROM do perform much better in terms of speed in gaming and applications. What about a multi ROM solution to allow you multi-boot i.e. boot stock from internal nand and asop lollipop from from external SD, now that would be a sweet setup!
hmmm i get your point but for me, the camera is a camera. ive got a tablet for tablety things, a phone for phoney things so what i want is camera focused and to have dropbox autoupload everything nicely.
thats the anly reasen im so fussed that i want it to get lollipop as it should then get RAW capabilities. while i realise it may not happen i will vote with my wallet. this is my first real samsung device (galaxy nexus doesnt count) and while i love oled screens and removable batteries if samsung abandon the camera, well i will abandon them. its really that simple, if they wont support devices going forward then i wont buy any other android devices from them.
if only google put out a Nexus Camera.
NK4 and rooting
I just finished the upgrade to NK4. I was trying to keep root through survival mode in Superuser Pro, but I ended up having to reroot. The upgrade via kies took about a hour. I attempted to re-establish root via Superuser but was unable to do so. I ODIN'ed the CF-autoroot onto the camera and reinstalled Superuser. I now have a NK4 rooted camera.
Since the discussion seems to have shifted to the rational for rooting, here's my take. First, it should be noted that root <> custom recovery. We do not have custom recovery for the GalCam2, so installing alternative ROM's, if available is not an option. So, why root? For me, it's Xposed modules; specifically pie controls(mmmm, pie). I've had several digital cameras over the years. In fact, when I bought this camera, I had a year old samsung camera. Why this camera? It's android, so I can to many things that would be not be possible on other cameras in this price range, like say using different camera apps.
So, if you're rooted on NC2, fear not. The water's OK over here on NK4.
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Nope, I disagree. Rooting this camera is a damn good idea for so many reasons. Most tablet or phone dont have a miro HDMI, My camera, I can install apps without deleting and its not just a camera, its an android device by Samsung that comes with a micro hdmi and with a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard, well if you have ever thought about buying an android TV box, this is a better replacement, it performs much better than majority on the market.
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Well, of course you can disagree, but I still think you're stretching your camera well beyond practical purpose. Cameras are quirky enough on their own (especially ones with Android OS) -- it's probably not a good idea to use it so much for non-photography purposes because when you wear it out from overuse with all these extraneous functions you're not just going to be out an Android TV device -- you're going to be out a $400 camera. Android TV boxes can be had for as cheap as US$25 and are practically disposable at that price.
Incidentally, I have a HDMI dongle (that uses a standard, readily available fullsize HDMI plug/cable) that I use on my Galaxy Note 2 phone and/or my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 tablet all the time (typically when on vacation watching movies on the hotel TV). Not to mention $30 Chromecast can be used wirelessly. All of this without overusing my $400 camera, so that the next time I want to use my camera it won't have a low battery, scratched up screen, or otherwise screwed up or acting quirky from rooting it.
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And yes I agree that stock ROMs with stock drivers perform better but asop base ROM do perform much better in terms of speed in gaming and applications. What about a multi ROM solution to allow you multi-boot i.e. boot stock from internal nand and asop lollipop from from external SD, now that would be a sweet setup!
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Again, it's all about what's your priority purpose for this device. I bought this device to use as a internet connected camera -- I didn't buy it for playing games or running non-photography related apps. I don't want to have choose which OS I'm booting to....I just want to turn the camera on, take some pics, and be able to immediately upload them somewhere. As long as that's working, then in my world there's really no need to actively look for alternative solutions that are just going to potentially mess that simple process up.
Again, there's a reason why I'm here on XDA -- I've rooted (and usually ROMed) every other Android device I've owned. I'm even currently running CM11 on my Galaxy Note 2 at the expense of losing some of the S-pen features because it runs so much faster that it's like I got a completely new phone. But I just don't see any reason for rooting (or especially ROMing) the Camera 2.
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Since the discussion seems to have shifted to the rational for rooting, here's my take. First, it should be noted that root <> custom recovery. We do not have custom recovery for the GalCam2, so installing alternative ROM's, if available is not an option. So, why root? For me, it's Xposed modules; specifically pie controls(mmmm, pie). I've had several digital cameras over the years. In fact, when I bought this camera, I had a year old samsung camera. Why this camera? It's android, so I can to many things that would be not be possible on other cameras in this price range, like say using different camera apps.
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That's actually very good to know for future reference that NK4 is rootable. That's likely the last update we'll see for this camera knowing Samsung.
I actually don't always use a custom recovery on my Samsung devices. Since most root methods, ROMs, and even the recoveries themselves are flashed via Odin, there's really not a pressing need for a custom recovery. I've even encountered a lot of quirkiness with most custom recoveries (Philz, CWM, TWRP) when it comes to Nandroid backups (especially reliable restores), so I never rely on them and instead just reflash the ROM, allow Google to restore system data, and then restore personal apps/data with TitaniumBackup. Plus, even if you're rooted, as long as you have the stock recovery you can USUALLY take any OTA updates. I emphasize USUALLY because my Note 10.1 2014 Ed tablet is rooted but running stock recovery and the latest bug-fix update will not flash because they claim my tablet has been modified.
I guess I've never felt the need for pie controls because I haven't used the stock launcher on any Android device I've ever owned. The Camera 2 camera app interface is already pretty sweet with the on-screen dial menus. Like I said above, I'm not just globally adverse to rooting (far from it), but I just have yet to find any reason to root this camera, especially now that the latest update seems to have corrected the stupid vanishing Google Account settings issue.
Now, if someone ever comes up with a fully functioning Lollipop ROM for this camera, you'll quickly see me singing a different tune, but until then....
internetpilot said:
Well, of course you can disagree, but I still think you're stretching your camera well beyond practical purpose. Cameras are quirky enough on their own (especially ones with Android OS) -- it's probably not a good idea to use it so much for non-photography purposes because when you wear it out from overuse with all these extraneous functions you're not just going to be out an Android TV device -- you're going to be out a $400 camera. Android TV boxes can be had for as cheap as US$25 and are practically disposable at that price.
Incidentally, I have a HDMI dongle (that uses a standard, readily available fullsize HDMI plug/cable) that I use on my Galaxy Note 2 phone and/or my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 tablet all the time (typically when on vacation watching movies on the hotel TV). Not to mention $30 Chromecast can be used wirelessly. All of this without overusing my $400 camera, so that the next time I want to use my camera it won't have a low battery, scratched up screen, or otherwise screwed up or acting quirky from rooting it.
Again, it's all about what's your priority purpose for this device. I bought this device to use as a internet connected camera -- I didn't buy it for playing games or running non-photography related apps. I don't want to have choose which OS I'm booting to....I just want to turn the camera on, take some pics, and be able to immediately upload them somewhere. As long as that's working, then in my world there's really no need to actively look for alternative solutions that are just going to potentially mess that simple process up.
Again, there's a reason why I'm here on XDA -- I've rooted (and usually ROMed) every other Android device I've owned. I'm even currently running CM11 on my Galaxy Note 2 at the expense of losing some of the S-pen features because it runs so much faster that it's like I got a completely new phone. But I just don't see any reason for rooting (or especially ROMing) the Camera 2.
That's actually very good to know for future reference that NK4 is rootable. That's likely the last update we'll see for this camera knowing Samsung.
I actually don't always use a custom recovery on my Samsung devices. Since most root methods, ROMs, and even the recoveries themselves are flashed via Odin, there's really not a pressing need for a custom recovery. I've even encountered a lot of quirkiness with most custom recoveries (Philz, CWM, TWRP) when it comes to Nandroid backups (especially reliable restores), so I never rely on them and instead just reflash the ROM, allow Google to restore system data, and then restore personal apps/data with TitaniumBackup. Plus, even if you're rooted, as long as you have the stock recovery you can USUALLY take any OTA updates. I emphasize USUALLY because my Note 10.1 2014 Ed tablet is rooted but running stock recovery and the latest bug-fix update will not flash because they claim my tablet has been modified.
I guess I've never felt the need for pie controls because I haven't used the stock launcher on any Android device I've ever owned. The Camera 2 camera app interface is already pretty sweet with the on-screen dial menus. Like I said above, I'm not just globally adverse to rooting (far from it), but I just have yet to find any reason to root this camera, especially now that the latest update seems to have corrected the stupid vanishing Google Account settings issue.
Now, if someone ever comes up with a fully functioning Lollipop ROM for this camera, you'll quickly see me singing a different tune, but until then....
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Stretching beyond practice purpose is what makes android, android. Samsung makes good hardware, this camera will never fail from overuse and $25.00 android boxes perform like $25.00 android boxes.
I also do not use the stock launcher on any of my Samsung devices. I use lightning launcher on the camera(as well as my notes). The reason I like pie controls is that you gain extra screen space when you're using the launcher(no nav bar). So far, that's my only use of root, that could change in time; but not having custom recovery makes me very cautious in installing addition items.
cantenna said:
Stretching beyond practice purpose is what makes android, android. Samsung makes good hardware, this camera will never fail from overuse and $25.00 android boxes perform like $25.00 android boxes.
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If you think a multi element autofocus mechanical extending zoom lens and an electronic shutter are never going to fail, then you better start preparing yourself for disappointment in about 2 years. LOL.
My three $25 AndroidTV boxes have been working great for years, running Netflix and Amazon Prime video since day one that I bought them. They're also running Kitkat even though they started out on Gingerbread.
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I also do not use the stock launcher on any of my Samsung devices. I use lightning launcher on the camera(as well as my notes). The reason I like pie controls is that you gain extra screen space when you're using the launcher(no nav bar). So far, that's my only use of root, that could change in time; but not having custom recovery makes me very cautious in installing addition items.
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I'm pretty sure that all of my Samsung devices have been rooted and ROMed using Odin. My first Android device was a HTC EVO 4G, which solely used custom recoveries (unless you just like going back to the dark years of ADB), so the first couple of times I asked devs for a flashable zip, I was all but excommunicated from the XDA forum for such blasphemy. Everyone here seems to do just about everything via Odin, so I don't really sweat not having a custom recovery. Most things that can go wrong (bootloops, soft-bricks, etc.) when mucking around flashing devices are solved via Odin anyway.
Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.
Brick3 said:
Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.
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Try to use stock based rom if u don't want to loose drm keys. As cm requires an ub phone.
Brick3 said:
Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.
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CM based roms have terrible camera performance. U will lost ur drm keys. Its contains ur camera clarity, bravia engine and so.. So better stick with stock Sony. But performance wise CM is best..
Brick3 said:
Hello everyone. I've been using the stock firmware since i bought the phone but currently thinking to try cynogenmod.
What i want to ask is, does it worth to install CM as Sony's stock rom is pretty good both performance/battery consumption and UI wise, compared to many other phone like samsung which i never quite liked.
Will it improve the battery life which is sony has already done a good job on stock firmware and what other benefits will i get?
Thanks in advance.
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In Sony world, it is mostly personal preference. If it was a Samsung phone I would no doubt say "go for it and never look back". For a Sony, it is just you have more than one option.
What you get with Sony's stock over a pure(ish) Android;
-Options to have ClearAudio+ and XReality technologies which helps to improve music and image quality respectively from Sony.
- Stamina Mod. Without turning up and down bars into orange
- Picture correcting software which is heavily integrated into original camera software and protected by famous DRM keys. It helps smoothing the noise on the photos, coming mostly from lack of enough light. Especially night shots really benefit from it (difference not so visible on day light).
- FM Radio and some software of Sony like Playstation center and internal backup and restore software, also an Antivirus if anyone is interested in.
Bad side of Sony's software over Pure Android:
- the theme you apply directly effects the top bar. I love red and red-like colors but I don't wanna use my whatsapp with a cherry red line on top. I was hoping that would change in 5.1.1 but no luck.
- standby drain is high if no Stamina is on. Something between 5-10% over night. That's absurd considering the usage drain is fairly good.
- all those beautiful camera options only limited to 8mp option. 12mp is just pure photo (still combined with Sony's correction software if DRMs are active)
- when I try to fast scroll, sometimes the launcher jumps two pages at a time but that happens only going to the right, not happening when going to the left
- I don't know if it's only my phone but most of the time turning on the WiFi is not enough for it to auto connect to a remembered network. I have to open the network list and click on it to connect.
So, what CM or other pure Android-based ROMs offer:
- visual consistentcy among all the apps and menus. Once use stock Android you understand how odd the later added apps look in modified versions. For example Google photos and Google calendar has very familiar look and feel and behaviours. So once you get used to them you can immediately and efficiently start using Google Messages too. However that is not the case with Sony's Album or Walkman app no matter they have their functional advantages.
- super fast, super light, super light on the battery.
- sound and camera may need some fine tuning to reach to Sony level but it is possible as this device have is well known by developers and shares a very generous, open code. For example OpenCam app is perfect for doing anything you want to do with your camera, and it also comes without Mp limitations.
- there are some neat additions to original Android like theme engine or assigning volume keys to change the song or reordering the tiles on the top bar.
- per app ops to limit untrusted apps' intentions.
- more options through Xposed as it is created from a widely shared code.
The cons:
- since most of the works are based on nightlies, sometimes things can be broken for a couple of days or something working might stop working after an update. So you must decide between a tester and a careful everyday user who comes one or two days after the testers on the update schedule.
- you should find you DRM keys a safe place before unlocking your bootloader (I keep mine on Google drive) as they will be gone in order to be able to install a non-Sony ROM.
- camera quality may degrade if you are fan of super auto mod especially (personally, not).
- Xreality will not be there as it is a Sony extension. However I personally think this beautiful screen does not need any tuning to show the beauty of anything.
- no FM radio or pre installed anti virus software.
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_delice_doluca_ said:
In Sony world, it is mostly personal preference. If it was a Samsung phone I would no doubt say "go for it and never look back". For a Sony, it is just you have more than one option.
What you get with Sony's stock over a pure(ish) Android;
-Options to have ClearAudio+ and XReality technologies which helps to improve music and image quality respectively from Sony.
- Stamina Mod. Without turning up and down bars into orange
- Picture correcting software which is heavily integrated into original camera software and protected by famous DRM keys. It helps smoothing the noise on the photos, coming mostly from lack of enough light. Especially night shots really benefit from it (difference not so visible on day light).
- FM Radio and some software of Sony like Playstation center and internal backup and restore software, also an Antivirus if anyone is interested in.
Bad side of Sony's software over Pure Android:
- the theme you apply directly effects the top bar. I love red and red-like colors but I don't wanna use my whatsapp with a cherry red line on top. I was hoping that would change in 5.1.1 but no luck.
- standby drain is high if no Stamina is on. Something between 5-10% over night. That's absurd considering the usage drain is fairly good.
- all those beautiful camera options only limited to 8mp option. 12mp is just pure photo (still combined with Sony's correction software if DRMs are active)
- when I try to fast scroll, sometimes the launcher jumps two pages at a time but that happens only going to the right, not happening when going to the left
- I don't know if it's only my phone but most of the time turning on the WiFi is not enough for it to auto connect to a remembered network. I have to open the network list and click on it to connect.
So, what CM or other pure Android-based ROMs offer:
- visual consistentcy among all the apps and menus. Once use stock Android you understand how odd the later added apps look in modified versions. For example Google photos and Google calendar has very familiar look and feel and behaviours. So once you get used to them you can immediately and efficiently start using Google Messages too. However that is not the case with Sony's Album or Walkman app no matter they have their functional advantages.
- super fast, super light, super light on the battery.
- sound and camera may need some fine tuning to reach to Sony level but it is possible as this device have is well known by developers and shares a very generous, open code. For example OpenCam app is perfect for doing anything you want to do with your camera, and it also comes without Mp limitations.
- there are some neat additions to original Android like theme engine or assigning volume keys to change the song or reordering the tiles on the top bar.
- per app ops to limit untrusted apps' intentions.
- more options through Xposed as it is created from a widely shared code.
The cons:
- since most of the works are based on nightlies, sometimes things can be broken for a couple of days or something working might stop working after an update. So you must decide between a tester and a careful everyday user who comes one or two days after the testers on the update schedule.
- you should find you DRM keys a safe place before unlocking your bootloader (I keep mine on Google drive) as they will be gone in order to be able to install a non-Sony ROM.
- camera quality may degrade if you are fan of super auto mod especially (personally, not).
- Xreality will not be there as it is a Sony extension. However I personally think this beautiful screen does not need any tuning to show the beauty of anything.
- no FM radio or pre installed anti virus software.
Sent from my D6503 using XDA Free mobile app
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Thanks delice_doluca. That was just the answer I was looking for.
A few things I want to say:
-You've said that the camera is limited to 8 mp but I didn't get what you meant. I can go up to 20.7 mp.
-Cm and other rom's light weight, fast performance is due to the lack of unnecessary bloatware but I dont see how its one of their strengt as you can remove those bloatwares on stock ROM too with root access.
-There's a security software inside Cm as you said but the only difference is that its built in. On stock ROM you just download it manually and besides i'm pretty sure the security programs you're going to download from by kaspersky, avira etc will be a lot better than the cm one. Again I don't think its an advantage either. Im tryong find some good reasons to justify installing cm but I just can't find besides some minor ones as many features that is considered strength of cm you can also do it on stock ROM and im wondering why do some people prefer using cm?
Brick3 said:
Thanks delice_doluca. That was just the answer I was looking for.
A few things I want to say:
-You've said that the camera is limited to 8 mp but I didn't get what you meant. I can go up to 20.7 mp.
-Cm and other rom's light weight, fast performance is due to the lack of unnecessary bloatware but I dont see how its one of their strengt as you can remove those bloatwares on stock ROM too with root access.
-There's a security software inside Cm as you said but the only difference is that its built in. On stock ROM you just download it manually and besides i'm pretty sure the security programs you're going to download from by kaspersky, avira etc will be a lot better than the cm one. Again I don't think its an advantage either. Im tryong find some good reasons to justify installing cm but I just can't find besides some minor ones as many features that is considered strength of cm you can also do it on stock ROM and im wondering why do some people prefer using cm?
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- Camera is limited to 8mp if you want to apply scenes or choose another mode like HDR. When 20.7mp chosen, all you can do is to take the photo without any ambient or method oriented tuning. (no big deal actually, I shot at 20.7 Mp and tune it in my computer layer. However I wished there was HDR on 20.7 mp)
- do not think bloat ware only as additional apps. There are also background services, running under the OS, or other methods of the OS handling the user's or automated requests. I am not an Android developing master but I can give an example from Linux world. Last month Linux Mint released a new version and they announced their desktop environment (Cinnamon) was now using %40 less CPU even thought it had introduced more effects and options to the user. The trick was to calculate desktop's actions more efficiently and in a more harmonic way so the processes would not fight with each other. So they have knocked the CPU's door at more empty times and less frequently.
Stock Android is tailored by one team, with the same goals at their heads. Sony has another team who is also dressing it and tailoring some parts again. The Sony team is supposed to know what the first team intended and how good they are so they can make the modification exactly like they desired. However now the hybrid OS is designed by two different teams with (maybe entirety) different goals in minds. Don't get me wrong, Sony is the closest and most friendly team to the original Android project and to Google but still it is a complex effort and simplicity is everyone's friend in complex jobs.
- About the security software. Stock Sony ROM is the one which comes with security software (McAfee I guess). CM is open as a nature and you can limit user apps one by one (which is possible where root access exist, regardless of the ROM). My thinking is, all the Antivirus software is unnecessary in Android world. The one and only protection is common sense (simply don't install or clock everything )
What I have been writing should not make you want to install CM BTW CM or other stock Android - like ROMs exist mostly for the people who are saying "I wish that was the next Nexus device, like Xperia Nexus". Basically, for an Xperia device, wanting to install stock Android is just about personal joy or habits coming from another stock Android device (mostly a Nexus).
Don't look for bigger reasons as you probably will not find. All you need to have in your mind is liking stock Android more than Sony's Android and some free time to build your own device experience.
Ps: stock Android term is used for Google's own Android which is not touched by any other company (Sony, Samsung, HTC etc.)
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_delice_doluca_ said:
- Camera is limited to 8mp if you want to apply scenes or choose another mode like HDR. When 20.7mp chosen, all you can do is to take the photo without any ambient or method oriented tuning. (no big deal actually, I shot at 20.7 Mp and tune it in my computer layer. However I wished there was HDR on 20.7 mp)
- do not think bloat ware only as additional apps. There are also background services, running under the OS, or other methods of the OS handling the user's or automated requests. I am not an Android developing master but I can give an example from Linux world. Last month Linux Mint released a new version and they announced their desktop environment (Cinnamon) was now using %40 less CPU even thought it had introduced more effects and options to the user. The trick was to calculate desktop's actions more efficiently and in a more harmonic way so the processes would not fight with each other. So they have knocked the CPU's door at more empty times and less frequently.
Stock Android is tailored by one team, with the same goals at their heads. Sony has another team who is also dressing it and tailoring some parts again. The Sony team is supposed to know what the first team intended and how good they are so they can make the modification exactly like they desired. However now the hybrid OS is designed by two different teams with (maybe entirety) different goals in minds. Don't get me wrong, Sony is the closest and most friendly team to the original Android project and to Google but still it is a complex effort and simplicity is everyone's friend in complex jobs.
- About the security software. Stock Sony ROM is the one which comes with security software (McAfee I guess). CM is open as a nature and you can limit user apps one by one (which is possible where root access exist, regardless of the ROM). My thinking is, all the Antivirus software is unnecessary in Android world. The one and only protection is common sense (simply don't install or clock everything )
What I have been writing should not make you want to install CM BTW CM or other stock Android - like ROMs exist mostly for the people who are saying "I wish that was the next Nexus device, like Xperia Nexus". Basically, for an Xperia device, wanting to install stock Android is just about personal joy or habits coming from another stock Android device (mostly a Nexus).
Don't look for bigger reasons as you probably will not find. All you need to have in your mind is liking stock Android more than Sony's Android and some free time to build your own device experience.
Ps: stock Android term is used for Google's own Android which is not touched by any other company (Sony, Samsung, HTC etc.)
Sent from my D6503 using XDA Free mobile app
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I guess i'll continue to use stock ROM as i'm happy with it.
Thank you so much for this detailed answer.
why is the multi tasking so bad on cm11?
Do you get camera 2 api on cyanogens rom? If be prepared to swap if they did for manual focus
cm has media skip buttons function., that alone makes me prefer it more
I was contemplating the same as the OP. After reading the replies here I've decided to look at other options for installing a custom ROM without unlocking the bootloader.
You guys have provided some really good info in this thread, I wish others could be as informative.
Thanks
Cm is good for my nexus5, but seems it is not so good for my z2