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I saw that there was like 20 post on XDA that had to do with either how good or bad Xperia, Diamond, Raphael or iPhone 3G were. So i thought of starting a thread that would, basically layout a camparision of all the major comtendors of the SmartPhones War 2008. If you have a preference towards any of these phones or would like to add more information to the thread pr just comments, go ahead or just drop by and say why you like the phone you picked or something..
And ya, if you voted for Others, then please reply in a post of which phone, specifically did you vote for.
And by the way, Mods, if this thread belongs in another forum, then feel free to move it.
Some people are really stuck between phones and just can decide, so i thought Customer Satisfaction could become a deciding issue, so here you go. HTC isn't in the list, sorry about that and just remember just cause somebody else didn't like it, doesn't mean you have to feel the same way.
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NOTE: The thread is still active and new phone are constantly being added.
HTC Touch Diamond
HTC Touch Pro(Raphael)
iPhone 3G
Sony Xperia X1
Blackberry Bold(9000)
Samsung Omnia (i900)
Nokia N96
Palm Treo 800w
Gigabyte Gsmart M820
Palm Treo 850
E-TEN V900
E-TEN X900
E-TEN DX900
Anticipated Phones (Not Yet Official)
HTC Dream
HTC Omni
Motorola Alexander
Samsung i8510 (JASTECH's find and specs)
BlackBerry Thunder
Samsung X908(JASTECH's find)
Sony Xperia X5 (Also JASTECH's find)
HTC Touch Diamond
Ok, so to start things of, i'll begin with the most talked phone on XDA forums: HTC Touch Diamond
This very awaited phone, was a major uprgrade to the existing devices running Windows Mobile, it boosted a bunch of new features that were much awaited by HTC followers, so lets get strated.
Official Website: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46278
Alternate Names: O2 XDA Diamond and T-Mobile MDA Compact IV
Manufacturer: High Tech Computer Corporation
Predecessor: HTC Touch Cruise
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Screen Resolution: 640-by-480-Pixels VGA Screen
Dimensions :102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 11.35 mm (T)
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz
Camera: 3.2 MP with auto focus and second camera for video call
GPS Included
User Interface HTC TouchFlo 3D
Data: HSDPA 7.2
Major Improvements over predecessor
Built-In Accelerometer
OS Upgrade from WM 6.0 to WM 6.1
UI Upgrade from Orignal Touchflo to TouchFlo 3D
Screen resolution upgrade from QVGA Screen to VGA Screen
Increased ROM from 256 MB to additional 4GB of internal storage
Increased RAM from 128 MB to 192 MB
Upgraded software for HTC applications
New Web browser Included, upgrade for P.I.E 6.0 to Opera Mobile 9.5
More powefull processor from 400mhz to 528 mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
Even with all the buzz about the Diamond, there's really isn't anything that they Diamond has that's unique or better than everybody else, except the TouchFlo 3d INTERFACE, which the Touch Pro also has.
When can you officially get it? Q3 2008 for Europe and Asia, Late 2008 for US
What it's missing?
The Touch Diamond, like the iPhone lacks a micro-SD card slot, this makes it an undesired product for people who want to have more than 4GB of storage on their phone and the flexibility of a MicroSD card. Big bumper, this was one of the iPhone family's biggest downfalls, now the Touch Diamond shares it. Another downfall that the Diamond shares with the iPhone is the lack of a physical keyboard, this has been a problem with every phone in the Touch series with the exception of Pro and Dual. The keyboard is probably the biggest problem with the Diamond and makes it very Buissness and Texters repelant.
HTC Touch Pro (Raphael)
The HTC Touch Pro or Raphael is basically a Diamond with a some give and takes like keyboard and lesser ROM, etc. Read on for details.
Official Website: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=49518
Alternate Names: T-Mobile MDA IV, HTC Tytn III and HTC Raphael
Manufacturer: High Tech Computer Corporation
Predecessor: HTC Tytn II (Not Official)
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Dimensions :102 mm (L) X 51 mm (W) X 11.35 mm (T)
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz
Camera: 3.2 MP with auto focus and second camera for video call
GPS Included
User Interface HTC TouchFlo 3D
Data HSDPA 7.2
Major Improvements over predecessor
*Note: Because there isn't an official predecessor to this phone, we'll consider it to be the HTC Kaiser or ATT Tilt
Built-In Accelerometer
OS Upgrade from WM 6.0 to WM 6.1
UI Upgrade from Orignal Touchflo to TouchFlo 3D
Screen resolution upgrade from QVGA Screen to VGA Screen
Increased ROM from 256 MB to 512 MB
Increased RAM from 128 MB to 288 MB
Upgraded software for HTC applications
New Web browser Included, upgrade for P.I.E 6.0 to Opera Mobile 9.5
Included HTC TV-out
Data Speeds update from 3.6 Mbps to 7.2 Mbps
QWERTY Keyboard changed from 4 rows to 5 rows.
More powefull processor from 400mhz to 528 mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Touch Pro, with a 288 MB, has more RAM than any other phone in this war, this can be a big selling point for people who wanna' multi(over)-task their phones. The TF3D interface is also a much-awaited and usefull software.
When can you officially get it? Q3 2008 for Europe and Asia
What it's Missing?
The Touch Pro includes a Keyboard over Touch Diamond but Touch Pro, lacks the extra 4 GB of ROM that the Diamond includes. This is a major bumper since the iPhone and several other competitors include upto 16 GB of ROM, while all the Touch Pro has is 512 MB.
touch pro
im voting for the touch pro, it has all the spacs of the diamond, traded the 4gb storage for a sweet micro sd slot and added a full keyboard!!! cant go wrong with that
Apple iPhone 3G
The next phone in contender is Windows Mobile community's most hated and most American teenagers' most desired phone: The iPhone 3G
Official Website: http://www.iphone.com
Alternate Names: iPhone 2nd Generation or iPhone 2
Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
Predecessor: Orignal iPhone
Operating System: iPhone OS 2.0
Screen Resolution: 320-by-480-Pixels HVGA Screen
Dimensions :4.5 in (115.5 mm) (h) by 2.4 in (62.1 mm) (w) by 0.48 in (12.3 mm) (d)
Processor Samsung S5L8900 412 MHz ARM 1176 processor (Upto 620 Mhz)
Camera: 2 MP with geotaging
GPS Included
User Interface iPhone UI
Data HSDPA
Major Improvements over predecessor
Built-In GPS
OS Upgrade from iPhone OS 1.1.4 to 2.0
Upgraded software for Apple and other official applications
3G Support, upgrade from EDGE
Third-Party Application support (Big One)
Flushed head phone jack
"Dramatically" Improved Audio Quality
Improvements to the body materials
Price deduction
Multi-Language support
What does it have over everybody else?
The iPhone 3G, just like it's predecessor features a 3.5 inch screen, which is bigger than anybody else amongst the competition, big feature for those who wanna' use it as a Multimedia and Internet device. Also the iPhone, arguably, features the easiest to use, UI which makes it more desirable for people who want a smartphone but don't really want to spend a lot of time on customization etc.
The Omnia also is tied with the iPhone when it comes to internal storage, with both of them offering 8 or 16 Gigs of storage, unparreled by anybody else.
When can you officially get it? July 11, 2008
What it's missing?(Limitations)
Physical Keyboard
Micro-SD Card Slot
MMS Capabilities
Video Recording
Copy/Paste
Several other software related limitations
Has to be bought with a expensive contract
Sony Xperia X1
Xperia was the first contender officially announced this year, this HTC designed, Sony owned phone is one of the most awaited phones of the year, lets get started.
Official Website: http://www.sonyericsson.com/x1/?lc=en&cc=SG
Alternate Names: None
Manufacturer: HTC for Sony Ericsson
Predecessor: None (First one in the Xperia Series)
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional
Dimensions :110 x 53 x 17 mm
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7201A™ 528 MHz
Camera: 3.2 MP with viewfinder and second camera for video call
GPS Included
User Interface Xperia Panel UI
Data HSDPA
Screen Size 3 Inches
Screen Resolution 800 by 480 Pixels WVGA
Major Improvements over predecessor
*Note: Because this phone is the first one of it's kind for Sony, it has no predecessor so we'll just campare it to HTC's 2007 most powerfull phone: HTC Tytn II.
Built-In Accelerometer
OS Upgrade from WM 6.0 to WM 6.1
UI Upgrade from standard WM6 UI to Xpera Panel UI
Increased screen size from 2.8" to 3.0"
Screen resolution upgrade from QVGA Screen to WVGA Screen
Increased ROM from 256 MB to 512 MB
Increased RAM from 128 MB to 256 MB
Upgraded software for HTC applications
New Web browser Included, upgrade for P.I.E 6.0 to P.I.E 6.1
Arc slider instead of the Tilt.
Data Speeds update from 3.6 Mbps to 7.2 Mbps
More powefull processor from 400mhz to 528 mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Xperia has the best resolution screen out of all the reviewed phones, with a 800 by 640 screen it features an unrivaled screen resolution prefect for watching movies or browsing the web, overall Look and Feel will also be better with a higher quality screen.
It also features a Arc slider design with will make the screen more easily viewable when the sliding keyboard is in use.
When can you officially get it? Mid September for US (Unlocked)
What it's Missing?
The Xperia X1, like the Touch Pro lacks a respectable amount of internal storage, with only 512 MB it makes a very weak case against iPhone's 8 and 16GB or the Diamond's 4GB.
The Xperia, like most of the phones with a physical keyboard, is not very "Slim", so if you do care about your being silm and pocket fittable then Xperia loses the battle to phone like Diamond, Omnia and iPhone.
Samsung Omnia
A lot of people have shown enthusiasm about this phone on the thread, sorry for the long time it took to put up the specs put here it is. Samsung Omnia
Website: http://www.samsungomnia.com
Alternate Names: Samsung i900 and ATT i907
Manufacturer: Samsung Inc.
Predecessor: Samsung i830
Operating System: Windows Mobile Professional 6.1
Screen Resolution: 240-by-400-Pixels WQGA Screen
Dimensions : 112 by 56.9 by 12.5
Processor Marwell 624 Mhz
Camera: 5 MP with geotaging, auto focus, image stabilizer, face detection etc etc...
GPS Included
User Interface TouchViz UI
Data HSDPA 7.2
Major Improvements over predecessor
*NOTE: I'm not aware of any official predecessors of this phone but chronologically i830 was the last one in line, name wise, so we'll consider that as the Omnia's predecessor
OS Upgrade from WM 2003 SE to WM 6.1
Resolution upgrade from QVGA to WQVGA
ROM(Internal storage) upgrade from 128 MB to 16 or 8 GB.
Data upgrade from EV-DO to HSDPA 7.2
Increased Physical screen size from 2.8'' to 3.2''
UI change from Standard WM Interface toTouchViz UI
Weight depreciation
Slimmer and Sleeker Design
Wi-Fi included
Included Accelerometer (or some other means of Auto-Rotation)
Processor upgrade from Intel 520 MHz to Marwell 624 Mhz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Omnia is tied with the Blackberry Bold for the most powerful processor with a 624 Mhz Marwell.
The Omnia also features a 5 MP camera, which is by far the winner when it comes to Camera resolution.
The Omnia also is tied with the iPhone when it comes to internal storage, with both of them offering 8 or 16 Gigs of storage, unparreled by anybody else.
When Can you get officially get it? No Official Word yet.
What It's missing(lacks)?
The Samsung Omnia has the least resolution screen out of all the phones in SmartPhone wars 2008, this is a major bumper and a shame that a 3.2 inch screen gets lesser quality than a 2.8'' screen, and this means that the picture compared to the Xperia will be 1/2 as good.
Another major feature the Omnia misses out on is a Physical QWERTY keyboard, this is something that it's predecessors all had but i900 fails to inherit.
And there are also reports of the Omnia, not being a full touchscreen phone but uses some sensors, this is a super setback and can pausibly be a navigational problem.
The Omnia, unlike the Diamond and Touch Pro, lacks a magnetic stylus infact it lacks a stylus in general, some people consider this a drawback, since some find a stylus more comfortable than finger.
BlackBerry Bold (9000)
Official Website: http://www.blackberry.com/blackberrybold/
Alternate Names: Blackberry 9000
Manufacturer:Research In Motion (RIM)
Predecessor: Blackberry 8830 (chronologically)
Operating System: Blackberry OS 4.6
Dimensions :4.5" tall x 2.6" wide x 0.5" deep
Processor 624MHz Intel PXA270/Marvell Tavor PXA930 processor (reports differ)
Camera: 2 MP with flash
GPS Included
User Interface (New) Blackberry UI
Data HSDPA 3.6
Screen Size ???????
Screen Resolution 480 by 320 Pixels HVGA
Major Improvements over predecessor
OS Upgrade from BB OS 4.2 to BB OS 4.6
New Blackberry UI
Screen resolution doubled from QVGA Screen to HVGA Screen
Software updates for RIM applications
More powefull processor from 312 MHz to 624 MHz
What does it have over everybody else?
The Bold is tied with the Omnia for the most powerful processor with a 624 Mhz Marwell.
And eventough it's screen is only HVGA, it looks great on a it smaller physical size, so good that CNET called it the best looking screen ever on a cell phone.
When can you officially get it? Summer 2008
What it's Missing?
This is, according to many, the biggest bumper in the Bold, lack of a touchscreen, this closes the door to a lot of functionality and possibilities otherwise present in touchscreen phones.
The Bold, like the Touch Pro lacks a respectable amount of internal storage, with only 512 MB it makes a very weak case against iPhone's 8 and 16GB or the Diamond's 4GB. The Bold infact has the least amount of internal storage of all the major 08 smart phones.
The Blackberry Bold also includes a front keyboard, widely considered as a eyesore, this also means that it has the smallest screen size of all the major 08 smartphones, big time bumper.
those phones with a full keyboard in the front like that never seem to get that popular outside of usa and blackbarry country
personaly i think it's an eyesore
Samsung Omnia
I voted for the Samsung Omnia: http://samsungomnia.com/
Notice the speed of this device in opening applications from youtube videos. The screen may not be as responsive as we like, as it takes 2 to 3 taps for an application to open, but the processor speed makes up for it. If you are to compare it with the speed of the SE Xperia, it just blows it away. The Xperia needs MAJOR improvement in speed, it would have been better if they put in a 624 MHz processor in it. It is so disappointing to see such a nice device crawling like that in opening applications.
Rudegar said:
those phones with a full keyboard in the front like that never seem to get that popular outside of usa and blackbarry country
personaly i think it's an eyesore
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ya, i personally never liked them beacuase of their small screens and usaully the lack of touch screens.
cktlcmd said:
I voted for the Samsung Omnia: http://samsungomnia.com/
Notice the speed of this device in opening applications from youtube videos. The screen may not be as responsive as we like, as it takes 2 to 3 taps for an application to open, but the processor speed makes up for it. If you are to compare it with the speed of the SE Xperia, it just blows it away. The Xperia needs MAJOR improvement in speed, it would have been better if they put in a 624 MHz processor in it. It is so disappointing to see such a nice device crawling like that in opening applications.
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eventough i didn't vote for it, the Omnia does have it's stregnths, like the 5 MP camera and the real powerfull proccesor. Sucks for me, it's CDMA and not availble in the US. By the way, both SE X1 and Omnia, descriptions are coming up, currently reaserching more about Omnia.
touch PRO!
- keyboard
- SDcard Slot - what the hell shall i do with internal 4GB if i can get 32GB via SDHC??!!!!
papamopps said:
touch PRO!
- keyboard
- SDcard Slot - what the hell shall i do with internal 4GB if i can get 32GB via SDHC??!!!!
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plus extra RAM!!!
[email protected] said:
eventough i didn't vote for it, the Omnia does have it's stregnths, like the 5 MP camera and the real powerfull proccesor. Sucks for me, it's CDMA and not availble in the US. By the way, both SE X1 and Omnia, descriptions are coming up, currently reaserching more about Omnia.
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It is coming to the USA. FCC approved the SGH-i907 and it goes to AT&T.
JASTECH said:
It is coming to the USA. FCC approved the SGH-i907 and it goes to AT&T.
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really, do you have a link to this????
In both the Touch Pro, and X1 reviews, you said the bad points were that neitehr could stand up to the iPhone's 16GB, or even the Diamond's 4GB.
For me though, the thing is, you can get an 8GB card for less than £20, so for £20, you nto only have removable, but a larger amount of memory than the Diamond. Plus, I dont need anywhere near 16GB of the iPhone, because I have an iPod.
Thats why I voted X1 and Touch Pro, I'm really torn between the two.
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
In both the Touch Pro, and X1 reviews, you said the bad points were that neitehr could stand up to the iPhone's 16GB, or even the Diamond's 4GB.
For me though, the thing is, you can get an 8GB card for less than £20, so for £20, you nto only have removable, but a larger amount of memory than the Diamond. Plus, I dont need anywhere near 16GB of the iPhone, because I have an iPod.
Thats why I voted X1 and Touch Pro, I'm really torn between the two.
Rory
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ya, i know what you mean, and that's why i also said in the Diamond and iPhone reviews that they did'nt have a microsd card slot and that was a very weak point on their part, plus not every body had an iPod(I don't). I personally didn't vote for any of the phones with the huge internal storage, beacuse they didn't have a mc slot.
key boards
id go with any with a keyboard and definitly not the iphone apple sucks for programming, and it may be thicker for a keyboard but atleas then u can actuall use all programs instead of just special touch screen programs that have buttons on the scren then u can use ur keyboard for things like emulators and is alot faster for typing and still has touch screen so yeah, and why do u need a massive 16g storage anyways u can just get unlimite with sd slots,
Harvard Professor Warns of Apple's iPhone Strategy
I haven't used any of the phones listed, but have been a long-time advocate of the WM platform. In my years, I've seen many PDAs come and go - Sharp's Wizard, HP's 100/200LX, Psion, and the like. And at this point, it looks to me like the Palm OS is dead. So when I read this in CIO Insight, it didn't surprise me at all:
http://www.cioinsight.com/c/a/Strategy/New-iPhone-Danger/
Many people lust after the iPhone, but Jonathan Zittrain sees danger in the device. Zittrain, a professor at Harvard Law School and co-founder of its Berkman Center for Internet and Society, worries that closed appliances like the iPhone and walled gardens like Facebook will stifle the creativity that has fueled the development of the Internet. Tools such as PCs and the Net itself, which are open by nature and allow people to hack and tinker, are “generative,” he says—capable of spinning off new capabilities from unexpected directions. Tightly controlled devices and services—not so much.
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Just thought I'd kick in two cents.
is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
hoss_n2 said:
is this a right choice or i am wrong [samsung omnia 2] has 800 mhz processor instead of 528 mhz [htc hd has ] but does it differs allot in the speed of device and graphics please tell me and does the type of processor also make effect in speed [htc has qualcom --- samsung has marvell ]
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I would better think about waiting for the Toshiba TG01! It has a 1GHz Snapdragon Processor and a 4.1inch screen!!!
You can see some preview videos on yout...! The video playback is extremely smooth and programs are starting right after clicking on it.
The TG01 also has a special screen from the television branch for a really good quality!
I´ll sell my Touch Hd next week on ebay and on 29.June or 30.June I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 exclusive at the German O2 shop.
Ok the homescreen panel is not so beautiful but I am using the SPB Mobile Shell 3 so thats no problem for me
does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
The processor will make a difference, but the main reason for me to buy the Omnia 2 is the camera.
You won't have Touchflo anymore (at least for some time) but the Samsung software seems to be pretty good, perhaps even better than Touchflo (though I'm not a fan of cube interfaces).
I think the Omnia 2 will be the perfect phone for me with the better camera, a bit more speed and good battery life.
DRTigerlilly said:
does anyone actually know what the battery life is like on the tg01, that is one of my major concerns.
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I had already a pre-selling version of the white tg01 in my hands (damn is this a big device compared to my HD and iphone but has as half as the thickness of the HD!!!) but of course I wasn´t able to test the battery life. But I think it´ll be good because you can choose in the options menu of toshiba that the phone should itself automaticaly slow down the procesor if there is not much speed needed and the new screen should also use less battery life (so the man at the o2 store told me that with the screen so I don´t know if it´s real^^)
Does anyone knows any better facts about it?
very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
forumx said:
I am also considering the Omnia 2. I like the faster processor and AMOLED display,which in theory is much better than HD, especially in outdoor.
However, there is no mention of its RAM or ROM. There is internal storage of 2 - 16GB but not sure if this is the same as ROM.
Also, HTC qualcom is supported by Coreplayer. Not sure if the Samsung processor will be. I know frame rate might not be a problem but if the hardware is not supported, picture quality will suffer.
I am concerned with the build quality of HTC HD as I have to service mine only after two months. A search on the net suggested there are a number of HD users with hardware problems also.
I just hope Samsung mobile phones have better quality.
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i think that the type of the processor also is important not only its speed [like computer processors we have two processors have same speed but one acts faster than the other it depends how it is made and the compatibility of the programs with it
KayK said:
very impressive processor speed, but how bout the ROM and RAM size. So far I have yet to see any device that matches HD's 512MB ROM and 288MB RAM (other than HTC own Window Mobile range). It may not be relevant but to me, I feel somehow that RAM/ROM play some part too..
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Rom and Ram size is nearly the same! 512MB Rom and 256MB RAM. (I´m talking about the Toshiba TG01
So I´ll wait till it comes out on the 29th this month in germany and then I´ll buy it...
Hey I found someting really interesting: The Acer M900!
What do you think about this device???
PocketNow said the acer felt cheap, and i think it has less memory than the HD, which is a bummer. The only upside about it are US 3g bands.
acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
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acer's soft ware sucks and no thing is like htc even the partially good samsung omnia 2
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Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
Ok I´ll forget the acer...80MB Ram
So I´ll buy the Toshiba TG01 when it´s available in Germany at the 29.06. and than I will see how good it is. If it´s not good enough I can also sell it somewhere and buy me the touch pro 2 instead of it
I used to have the omnia and would never buy a samsung again. Apart from the excellent camera I hated it particulary because of the poor battery life...I had to charge it everyday. Plus the touchscreen wasn't that responsive and I kept losing the stylus because there was no storage on the phone. Im happy with the HD at present albeit it's not perfect.
I just bought and sold a Samsung i8910 (Omnia HD). Symbian just doesnt cut it as a touchscreen OS for me.
However, the AMOLED screen was gorgeous, even though it was lower res than the HD, it still looked that little bit crisper and more vibrant. Definitely a feature worth looking into for our next devices. Omnia 2 looks the part, but Samsung have notoriously poor resale value compared to HTC/Nokia etc as well as not having ROM cooks like on xda (unless im mistaken..).
The i8910HD would have been the perfect phone with WM (or Android) instead of Symbian....
It's a shame that they put such a bad OS on the only phone with perfect hardware... I hate Samsung for this (but I'll probably buy the Omnia II anyway...).
The i900 Omnia is/was probably one ofthe best-selling WM device ever and there is some ROM-cooking going on, e.g. over at modaco.com.
I think with the Omnia II and Omnia HD, the Samsung community will grow a lot.
What is AMOLED and is it possible to run word excel etc files on symbian?
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Did you see the videos of TouchWiz 2.0? Looks like it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo. I think the Omnia II could be a lot better than HTC's phones.
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it would be better in some things but not in all hd is bigger in screen touch flo is bitter and easier hd has extra rams to be used for graphics acceleration and enhance speed as said by gsm arena
Well, 0.1" doesn't matter, and it still has the same resolution. It has a faster processor, thus the RAM also won't matter, graphics acceleration will probably be faster.
TouchFlo is nice, but I think the Samsung interface is at least as good, it goes a lot deeper than TouchFlo (but doesn't look as nice).
I'm still undecided, maybe I'll stick with the HD and wait for something that's even better than the Omnia II.
Hello Guys!
I know this has been discussed for I don't know how long now.
But I searched over XDA and Google and couldn't find one simple answer for one simple Question:
Why is the Diamond 2 so much faster (more responsive) than the Touch HD even with exactly the same ROM?
I tried Duttys Roms on both, I tried the newest Engergy Leo Roms on both
My Results:
Installing Programs -> on the diamond 2 faster
starting Programs -> the same
Manila -> Diamond 2 more responsive
Booting -> Diamond 2 faster
SPB Benchmark -> Diamond 2 a hell faster!
Video Cam -> Diamond 2 Cam much more smoother
Photo Cam -> Diamond 2 more realistic Photos (Touch HD kinda Yellow/Orange)
Why? I mean I thought those have both the same identical Hardware?
I really like the HD because of its superior Screen and the 3,5 mm headphone jack
I have to make a decision between one of the two devices and I like the hd so much but its so slow compared to the diamond 2
Maybe some of you can help me
I already made a decision against the xperia because its even slower!
Diamond 2 is definately better even tho HD got a bigger screen and a 3,5mm jack..
yeah it definitely seems so but why? same hardware? same drivers?
I'm not sure, but bigger screen means bigger RAM consuming right?
ArtieQ said:
I'm not sure, but bigger screen means bigger RAM consuming right?
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Not if the resolution is the same.
ArtieQ said:
I'm not sure, but bigger screen means bigger RAM consuming right?
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nope..only bigger resolution eats more ram...
their cpus are different
Well on SPB CPU Score they are almost the same but in File Transfer and Graphics the Diamond 2 scores higher!
yeah probably because in diamond2 it is new rom/flash chips and probably they added new gpu
Diamond 2: Qualcomm MSM7200A 528 MHz processor
Touch HD: Qualcomm® MSM7201A 528 MHz processor
so are there any differences between 7200 and 7201?
I would like to know a bit more about this, I'm an ex-omnia user, already sold it and thinking on buying but I cant decide between Diamond2 or HD.
Is there realy so much difference???
yep the diamond 2 is a bunch faster! Go get it
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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Return it and buy a Droid.
the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
eric12341 said:
the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
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In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
DeekoVB5 said:
In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Lets cross out the resolution. The touch pro 2 has a 800x480 screen. The droid is only 54pixels bigger. And at the screen size the droid is at that doesn't count for much.
DeekoVB5 said:
In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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EnergyROM works really fine on HTC Touch Pro. You can easily find that ROM and test. That of course Windows Mobile but You can also try how Android works. Greetings
android 2.0 is the same as these mentioned ROM's
Not clear on the replies. I have a Sprint touch pro2 and would also like Android 2.0 instad of winmo 6.1
How do I get it
thanks
Its windows
First and up most android is better more apps open source larger community cant get done for modding and android looks better. Secondly its windows come on blue screen of death lol. and thirdly last search in google i remember them saying yes you can run android on a windows mobile phone if i find the link again i will post it.
old news android on windows mobile
heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
xillius200 said:
heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
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Android is phone specific. You need an android build that supports the touch pro2. 1 Rom doesn't fit all. Its the same for android custom roms and window mobile roms. You can't install a touch pro2 rom on a touch pro.
biggest hw difference = capacitive vs. resistive screen. Not sure which (if any) HTC phones have this obviously superior input capability yet...
droids are suffering from build related issues though. Most notably is a BSOD condition that requires connecting up to the charger to fix (even pulling the battery doesn't help). Also the audio jacks are breaking. Sounds a lot like the TyTN was....
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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The DROID uses an ARM Cortex A8 based processor (the TI OMAP343) while the Touch Pro 2 (and basically all HTC devices other than the HD2) use the much older and much slower ARM11 processor (Qualcomm MSM72xx). Even though the clock speeds are similar (550 vs 528mhz) you can expect real world performance to be 200-400% improved with the OMAP3, due in part to the new ARM CPU and in part to the much better GPU and DSP.
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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And here's how you do it:
http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=470
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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The bigger point with the screen is capactive vs resistive, which is a VERY big difference.
As for the processor, mhz numbers don't tell the whole story. The HTC phones use a Qualcomm processor based on ARM11, the Droid uses a chip based on Cortex A8 - the A8 is CONSIDERABLY faster than ARM11 at the same clock speed.
Article on the subject, written by the founder of Anandtech: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/
Tp2.....hands down
Isnt this topic called Android on TP2????
I dont see any forum that has a topic called WM6.5 on Android.....Not even close.
So whats far more superior?!? A device that can emulate another os and more.
I think with a custom rom on my touch pro 2 is more than sufficient. The droid technology isn't up to its full potential yet. They are obviously headed in the right direction and the cosmetic aspect is enough to attract the average buyer. But for what counts the most I feel like the droid phones are about a quarter of the way up the mountain.
First off, I apologize for the other people's lack of response to the article at hand. As for the other people who did post links to Android on Windows Mobile, those links will not work as Android installations are device specific. Meaning and installation on one device probably wont work well for another.
Also, for those of you who posted instructions on flashing custom ROMs. While this may be a great idea for the time being, an Android installation can be run on basically any ROM. It doesn't matter if it is stripped or if it's the crap stock ROM. Once the Android image boots, it kicks Winmo off, and all processor and virtual memory goes to Android. So it is not an emulation, although it is booted from Winmo.
The Touch Pro 2 falls under the HTC Rhodium category on XDA-Developers, so most of your information on it, including Android ports, would be listed there. I did a quick Google search and found a thread with a bounty to get support for the TP2, so it should only be a matter of time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370
Why is it that no-one, not even HTC, can make another phone with a 4.3 screen without making it bigger than the HD2. Even the T-mobile version of the HD2 is bigger than the original HD2. Now that they've released the Sensation it's a whopping 126.1 mm tall, almost 6mm taller - yuk!
Is it really too much to ask to keep the size down to no more than that of the original HD2?
Big screen: yes please.
Big phone: no thanks.
It seems we'll have to wait for the HD3
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Even the T-mobile version of the HD2 is bigger than the original HD2. Now that they've released the Sensation it's a whopping 126.1 mm tall, almost 6mm taller - yuk!
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more ram, more cpu, more heat...must be in a bigger case
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more ram, more cpu, more heat...must be in a bigger case
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Well that's clearly rubbish. The Motorola Atrix has 33% more RAM and 1600% more on-board storage than the Sensation and a dual core processor, and it's in a much smaller case.
HTC just today announced another 4.3 " phone with Android.
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more ram, more cpu, more heat...must be in a bigger case
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What the hell are you talking about? The RAM and the CPU are identical. The only thing bigger is the ROM size, but that shouldn't make the TmousHD2 bigger and thicker considering how small the ROM chip is (probably no bigger than the 512MB one).
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What the hell are you talking about? The RAM and the CPU are identical.
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i compared to the HTC Sensation, which have 1.2 GHz, dual core processor and 768 MB RAM...and what are you talking about?
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Well that's clearly rubbish. The Motorola Atrix has 33% more RAM and 1600% more on-board storage than the Sensation and a dual core processor, and it's in a much smaller case.
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Yes, and has smaller screen than the HD2 or Sensation...which is limits the phone dimension
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Yes, and has smaller screen than the HD2 or Sensation...which is limits the phone dimension
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Exactly - Motorola have managed to fit a dual core CPU and 1GB RAM and 16 GB storage into a much smaller case. So your suggestion that the Sensation has to be bigger to fit in the RAM and the CPU is rubbish.
you're all wrong, what they need to do is start putting smaller midgets in the phones.
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What the hell are you talking about? The RAM and the CPU are identical. The only thing bigger is the ROM size, but that shouldn't make the TmousHD2 bigger and thicker considering how small the ROM chip is (probably no bigger than the 512MB one).
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I don't think it was a technical need that causes the phone size to be different. My former phone is an TP2 TMOUS. That phone was different from every other TP2 in the world - T-Mobile had HTC design an entirely different front and battery cover. I think they simply want to be different. But it is inconvenient in that one cannot use every accessory that is available.
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Exactly - Motorola have managed to fit a dual core CPU and 1GB RAM and 16 GB storage into a much smaller case. So your suggestion that the Sensation has to be bigger to fit in the RAM and the CPU is rubbish.
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I think we can't understand each other. The OP ask in the opening post why is newer phones with 4.3 screen !!! are bigger than our HD2. He mentioned the Sensation. Which has 4,3 screen also, but bigger CPU and RAM. I think maybe that is the reason why the Sensation is bigger than the HD2.
Than you give the Motorola as an example, but it has only 4 inch display!!! Of course it fits in a smaller case, because the display's dimension determinates the PDA's length and width. If it would have a (for example) 3,2 inch QVGA display, it could be even smaller...
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I think we can't understand each other. The OP ask in the opening post why is newer phones with 4.3 screen !!! are bigger than our HD2. He mentioned the Sensation. Which has 4,3 screen also, but bigger CPU and RAM. I think maybe that is the reason why the Sensation is bigger than the HD2.
Than you give the Motorola as an example, but it has only 4 inch display!!! Of course it fits in a smaller case, because the display's dimension determinates the PDA's length and width. If it would have a (for example) 3,2 inch QVGA display, it could be even smaller...
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Yes I know what the OP asked. I wrote it. I know the Motorola has a 4 inch display. But you still haven't grasped the basic flaw in your argument. If Motorola can fit more stuff than the Sensation into a phone with a smaller screen than the HD2, then there's no reason at all why the Sensation with the same screen as the HD2 and less stuff than the smaller Atrix needs to be any bigger than the HD2.
I can't explain it any simpler than that. Maybe comparing more than two phones with different screen sizes and components all together is too much for you.
OK, so the aspect ratio of the Sensation is slightly higher, meaning the length of the screen is actually about 1.5mm more than the HD2 despite the diagonal being the same, but that's no excuse for adding nearly 5mm to the phone length.
Htc has done a great job on the devices even though some are having tiny problems on the buttons or something like that.. Now regarding your thought; internal components are the same regardless how much the gigs are or sizes... They just wanted to be proud of another bigger phone imo.. And i am starting to dislike the idea...:S
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Yes I know what the OP asked. I wrote it.
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Sorry, it's a shame on me. I didn't know i am arguing with the OP...so anyway i check both phones' specifications by number (1 Ghz tegra cpu vs 1,2 Ghz Snapdragon, 5 mpixel cam vs 8 mpixel cam), and if they offer me to choose one of them for free, i would take the Sensation, no matter if it's bigger some mm.
It could also come down to manufacturing costs. A slightly bigger phone might end up cheaper to produce than a smaller, but more densely packed phone. Since most of these companies only truly care about the bottom line, it could be a pretty valid reason.