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After reading all the stories, lots of comments on blogs and forums, I have had enough of the BS about how $530 is over priced and way too much and blah blah blah. You guys want the latest and greatest but aren't willing to pay any more than $5 for it.
Every single phone worth money for years has had an unsubsidized price of at least $550 with a few exceptions of course (G1 is only $400, but it is a generation old hardware). An iPhone 3GS 32gb retails for $699 straight up. The HTC HD2 is $899 on Amazon. Good phones aren't cheap as I am sure a lot of you know. So in this respect, $530 is actually a pretty good deal; especially when you compare it to the HD2 which has the same processor and similar hardware. You are getting a next-gen phone with the best screen to ever be on a phone, double the ram of most high end phones, and double the resolution of most high end phones. You expected the best of the best to be cheap? Pfft...
Also, my current T-Mobile plan is superior to what is going to be offered. It will be cheaper and easier in the long run to just buy the phone straight up.
What I am seeing from people is they see $530 and freak the hell out because they have the $180 to compare it against. Sure, there is a big difference there, but you are locked in to a contract for 2 years. $80 * 24 months + $180 = $2100 over 2 years! AND you only have 500 minutes. If you bought the phone straight up and went with Even More Plus for $80/mo, you get unlimited everything. $80 * 24 months + $530 = $2450. Yes, this is more expensive, HOWEVER, how many times will you go over your 500 minutes in the next 2 years? If this is not a problem for you, by all means, go right ahead and get the contract deal since it suits you. But for me, and I suspect most people, 500 minutes is not enough. For the additional $350 over 2 years, or $14.58 and change every month, it is worth having those unlimited minutes.
Does anybody else agree with me on this? All of my phone junkies I talk to agree that $530 is reasonable. Sure, we all would love a less expensive phone, but lets get real here...
Oh, and if this "leak" turns out to be false, than what an awesome waste of time and all of this is moot! LOL
Agree with you on this. My current plan is dirt cheep for unlimited data and no 2 year contract, so I'll shell out the $530 if that's all official after the 5th!
people are trippin over $530 for a phone like this? I paid $550 for my unlocked fuze last year, $800 for unbranded touch pro 2 in April, unlocked motorola droid(milestone) is $800! Al least this phone has some kind of US 3G support, unlike most unbranded phones that come state side. I think I'm a get it day 1, and then get the Bravo when it come out later this year if Sense UI cant be import on the Nexus.
I agree with you guys wholeheartedly. To be honest though, I think it's most telling to compare plans in an apples to apples manner. I'm a dork with a background in finance, so yes, I created a spreadsheet to calculate all the costs incrementally to see where changes in costs were coming from in my comparison.
After running through the numbers and calculating total costs over a 24 month term, for the 500 minute EM and EM+ plans, with the respective phone costs, the total cost over 24 months if I bought the phone unlocked would be $1970. If I purchased it on contract for $180, the total I'd spend over 24 months would be $2100.
There's NO WAY that you'll spend more over the long term with the EM+ plan UNLESS you're eligible for a corporate discount on the EM plan (which I happily am). With my discount, the total for the EM plan comes to $1811, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
The problem here is that most people are spoiled by the subsidized prices of phones. What they're not realizing is that they're paying for that subsidy in the form of more expensive plans...and then some, as my illustration above clearly proves. If T-mobile allows us to finance unsubsidized phones for 20 months on EM+ plans, then this works out to be more manageable for consumers. Either way, though... people need to consider total cost of ownership (TCO)... not just monthly cost and initial cash outlay for the device.
Exactly! Thanks for doing that. People just don't look for future savings and would rather have instant gratification. They are excited by a cheap up front cost and monthly service fee be damned!
I totally agree with you. it is by far the best phone in terms of specifications and price compared to its competitors (iphone 3gs, HD2).
Thanks for explaining this to people.
T-Mo Unlimited Voice/Web/Text $79.99/mo x 24 months = $1,920
Phone: $530.00
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Total: $2,450.00
IPhone Plan
AT&T Unlimited Voice/Web/Text $149.99/mo for 24 months = $3,600
Phone: $200.00
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Total: $3,800.00
-No contract for the T-Mobile plan
-No texts? AT&T without any text message plan still comes to $3,320
I was hoping for unlocked-only availability. It would keep certain... um... people... from buying the phone and then flooding the forums with questions, tacky themes, etc.
Dont really care about the price. It's actually not too bad, but if they only offer a 3g for Tmobile version here in the states then why bother selling it from google? Now...if they offer a few versions that can do 3g on several of the networks, or the final device gives us 3g on AT&T and Tmobile (and perhaps they do a verizon version too!)...that would be an awesome sale.
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Dont really care about the price. It's actually not too bad, but if they only offer a 3g for Tmobile version here in the states then why bother selling it from google? Now...if they offer a few versions that can do 3g on several of the networks, or the final device gives us 3g on AT&T and Tmobile (and perhaps they do a verizon version too!)...that would be an awesome sale.
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I imagine that Google will be releasing high-end phones for all carriers this year. I think they started with T-mobile for a variety of possible reasons. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they felt that T-mo should get preference because they were the first carrier to carry the Android torch to market. I also wouldn't be surprised if Google had planned this all along and that T-mobile was promised to get the first "Google phone". Obviously this is all conjecture, but it makes sense from a business perspective.
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I imagine that Google will be releasing high-end phones for all carriers this year. I think they started with T-mobile for a variety of possible reasons. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they felt that T-mo should get preference because they were the first carrier to carry the Android torch to market. I also wouldn't be surprised if Google had planned this all along and that T-mobile was promised to get the first "Google phone". Obviously this is all conjecture, but it makes sense from a business perspective.
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But the problem with getting the first of anything is it will be ancient by the time other carriers receive their Android devices
Not necessarily. Given the specs of this phone, I can't see it becoming obsolete as quickly as the G1 did. I could be wrong, but how soon would you think a phone would come out with over 1ghz processor and over 512 ram and rom?
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Not necessarily. Given the specs of this phone, I can't see it becoming obsolete as quickly as the G1 did. I could be wrong, but how soon would you think a phone would come out with over 1ghz processor and over 512 ram and rom?
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Aren't there already two other snapdragon devices out? What about the rumors of another iphone being released later this year?
I think the g1 may have been just as big when it came out. Times change, so does technology. The N1 may seem like the hottest new device, but it's the Nexus ONE just as the Dream was the Gee ONE. Look at where we are now. With at least half a dozen android capable devices out in about a year and 50+ rumored by 2012.
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Aren't there already two other snapdragon devices out? What about the rumors of another iphone being released later this year?
I think the g1 may have been just as big when it came out. Times change, so does technology. The N1 may seem like the hottest new device, but it's the Nexus ONE just as the Dream was the Gee ONE. Look at where we are now. With at least half a dozen android capable devices out in about a year and 50+ rumored by 2012.
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Your points are well taken. No one's saying that this is THE ultimate phone of all time. It's simply the greatest Android phone to be released yet, and based on its specs, it seems to be a very significant advance forward in hardware as compared to other devices, aside from Droid.
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Your points are well taken. No one's saying that this is THE ultimate phone of all time. It's simply the greatest Android phone to be released yet, and based on its specs, it seems to be a very significant advance forward in hardware as compared to other devices, aside from Droid.
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Before the Droid all the Android devices were mostly similar (form factor, screen resolution/size, cpu, etc). This is just like the Droid. It was supposed to be the greatest Android device until the next phone showed up a few months later. How do we know a device with similar or better specs won't show up soon? HTC's leaked roadmap has a lot of impressive devices scheduled for this year.
The marketplace is only going to fragment even more Developers aren't happy coding for all these different devices.
IDK if you all are missing the point or if maybe im just redirecting it but here goes
This does not fit into how google normally does things. Correct me if im wrong but the formula usually goes
Take good service/software and make it better + dirt cheap or free+data mining = profit$$
If they aren't subsidizing any of the cost, why should we let them have our data?
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people are trippin over $530 for a phone like this? I paid $550 for my unlocked fuze last year, $800 for unbranded touch pro 2 in April, unlocked motorola droid(milestone) is $800! Al least this phone has some kind of US 3G support, unlike most unbranded phones that come state side. I think I'm a get it day 1, and then get the Bravo when it come out later this year if Sense UI cant be import on the Nexus.
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I am fully agree with your statement that at least this phone has some sort of US 3G support which many unlocked phones lacked or manufacturers are too slow to release the US 3G version (read: Nokia N95 NAM edition).
I think this angry attitude is a manifestation of our credit-driven lifestyle. Many people don't realize that paying cheaper price for a phone alongside mandatory 2 years contract (and ETFs if we decided to cancel) is more expensive. Even if they do, the fact that they can OWN the product NOW (regardless whether you can afford the whole price or not) is what makes it desirable in this part of the world.
Regarding the fact that it doesn't support AT&T 3G bands, well suck it up because iPhone didn't support T-Mobile 3G either and I'm sure there are many Tmob subscribers are interested to get that capabilities too. Until US cleared up these 3G band fragmentation (which probably won't happen), we are at the mercy of these manufacturers to step up their game and put in Quad Band UMTS as opposed to cherry picking 3 UMTS bands to be put into their phones.
Only thing making me think twice is when will a keyboard version of the hardware come out.
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Only thing making me think twice is when will a keyboard version of the hardware come out.
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The keyboard phone with these specs would be the next G1, most likely to come out just in time for the early G1 adopters to renew their contracts.
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I agree with you guys wholeheartedly. To be honest though, I think it's most telling to compare plans in an apples to apples manner. I'm a dork with a background in finance, so yes, I created a spreadsheet to calculate all the costs incrementally to see where changes in costs were coming from in my comparison.
After running through the numbers and calculating total costs over a 24 month term, for the 500 minute EM and EM+ plans, with the respective phone costs, the total cost over 24 months if I bought the phone unlocked would be $1970. If I purchased it on contract for $180, the total I'd spend over 24 months would be $2100.
There's NO WAY that you'll spend more over the long term with the EM+ plan UNLESS you're eligible for a corporate discount on the EM plan (which I happily am). With my discount, the total for the EM plan comes to $1811, but that doesn't apply to everyone.
The problem here is that most people are spoiled by the subsidized prices of phones. What they're not realizing is that they're paying for that subsidy in the form of more expensive plans...and then some, as my illustration above clearly proves. If T-mobile allows us to finance unsubsidized phones for 20 months on EM+ plans, then this works out to be more manageable for consumers. Either way, though... people need to consider total cost of ownership (TCO)... not just monthly cost and initial cash outlay for the device.
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Expanding on this and assuming no discounts...
Option A) Buy the phone for $180 subsidized and the 500-minute plan for $80/mo, signing a contract to pay $2100 total over 24 mos.
Option B) Buy the phone for $530 unsubsidized and unlocked and choose the comparable 500-minute plus unlimited text/data Even More Plus plan for $60/mo for a total cost of $1970 over 24 mos with no contract.
So over two years of the phone and contract, you save $130 by going with option B.
But will you really last two years? Let's see what happens if you want to change phones after one year, which is entirely possible given the rate at which mobile technology is moving.
Option A) Early reports indicate a $350 early termination fee imposed by T-Mobile during the first 120 days, but no details have been learned about the fee past that window. Let's assume it reduces linearly to zero over the remaining life of the contract, meaning your fee for leaving early would be $210 at the one year mark. This puts you at $1350 to get out free and clear from the phone and contract.
Option B) You have no ETF, so you'll have paid $1250 at the end of one year.
So, even after just a year you still spend $100 less buying unsubsidized. Further, your phone will already be unlocked and unbranded, ready for quick sale on E-bay.
Pretty simple choice for me. Less money & easy to move on = no-brainer.
So I am sure a lot of us Incredible owners have fresh 2 year Verizon contracts. When I signed up they told me I had 30 days to decide if I wanted to keep it.
I LOVE my Incredible, but now the EVO is coming out just before my 30 day window to switch. It is basically the same exact phone with a larger screen and I am very tempted.
Is anyone else in the same boat? And if so what made you decide one way or the other.
I will add a view points I am considering.
EVO +
Sprint will cost about $10 less a month vs Verizon
Larger Screen
LCD screens do not get burn in. I am reading that AMOLEDs do, a lot of nexus one users are reporting it.
Already Rooted
Option to disable SenseUI
Sharper looking text
Front camera
Incredible +
Better network coverage
Smaller in pocket
Screen has better colors
Optical pad(EVO has no optical pad or trackball)
Smoother video recording
Possibly better battery life?!
The fact that I'd have to pay 350 to cancel my contract, then buy the phone through Sprint and start a new contract and loose my 5-6 years of service I've had through Alltel/Verizon.
It's not worth it IMO to cancel and then pay to get the phone. If my contract was over however, I would have considered going to Sprint and getting the Evo. But in actuality to get the equivalent plan that I have on Verizon, it would cost alot more if I pay for the 4G...and IMO if you get that phone, and don't pay for 4G, it's a waste (unless you truly don't use apps or web).
Edit: But in the end it comes down to what you truly want.
You can't get the Evo, without paying the 4G extra $10
You can cancel your contract within the first 30 days. Without penalty. Maybe a restocking fee at most.
Verizon:
450min & Unlim txt $59.99
Unlim data $30
Total: $90+tax&fees
Sprint EVO plan.
450min & Unlim txt & data $69.99
EVO $10
Total: $80+tax&fees
Source: http://www.androidcentral.com/how-do-you-feel-about-evo-4g-pricing
You forgot to put under the Evo, limited 3G
If Sprint had any reception where I live, I'd do it. Seems like it'd be a fun phone to get and not a bad price point either.
My opinion, for what it is worth
I would not do it simply because when we (VZW) starts deploying LTE with 100mbps 4g and passes Sprint's slower WiMAX deployment, HTC will have an even cooler and faster unit (I know this because I have seen a proto of it that was here at corperate a few days ago, just a plastic model with no name yet but it looks cooooooool, salesmen) you will be kicking yourself for having to flop back to get the new one. Also look at if Sprint has deployed WiMAX where you are anyway, probably not. Also coverage, what good is it if call quality suffere ????
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I would not do it simply because when we (VZW) starts deploying LTE with 100mbps 4g and passes Sprint's slower WiMAX deployment, HTC will have an even cooler and faster unit (I know this because I have seen a proto of it that was here at corperate a few days ago, just a plastic model with no name yet but it looks cooooooool, salesmen) you will be kicking yourself for having to flop back to get the new one. Also look at if Sprint has deployed WiMAX where you are anyway, probably not. Also coverage, what good is it if call quality suffere ????
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That's a good point. I would weigh my options if I were in his position. He's gonna need to find out who provides the best coverage. I'd recommend a one year contract.
Comes down to network coverage and quality. Both are great phones. But I'll stick with Verizon. Nation wide LTE by 2013. They have the pls and the means. Not to mention the incredible is perfect for me. I don't video chat with anyone. Overall the evo isn't that much more appealing that I'd want it over the incredible. Oh almost forgot... I don't want an enormous phone.
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The way I look at it, I got a heavily subsidized device and a hefty ETF.
I paid $99 (bought through Wirefly, $149 and $50 cash back from Bing). The ETF is a two year deal, prorated, at $350 from the start and working it's way down.
If I want out halfway through, I have to pay Verizon $175. Add $99 to that, and the cost of the phone to me is $274. Chances are I can sell the phone for close to that to another Verizon subscriber.
I'm playing wait and see for a year - if Sprint's 4G is for real and can hold up to the network traffic, I'll bite. If not, I'm safe.
I wouldn't be so sure your ETF works that way. I know AT&T was $5 a month prorated. So if you went 23 months and canceled your original $180 etf would cost you $65. I know that is how mine worked last month when I paid $90 after 18 months.
I'm willing to change phone like underwear for the right device and I have decided to hold off for now. Some of the biggest factors currently are
- no 4g in my area anyways
- nobody else I know has the front mounted cam for video calls
- size
I had the HD2 for a little over a week and let me tell you, beautiful piece of hardware but its approaching being to big at 4.3". I am thinking something at 4" would be a little better. Even a 3.7" screen is fine height wise, just seems like the Incredible could be wider IMO
I have done the research, and I have been anticipating the release of some sexy android phones on my current AT&Crap Service, and am at the point of pissed off because the lack of android selection, and their restrictive android behavior.
Now, I obviously know the EVO is a better phone, here is my question. Is it worth paying the $85 Termination Fee's on my Fuze, and jumping ship to the Everything Data- 450minutes Plan $69.99 (can get company discount to make it $55.99).
Are you guys happy with your Sprint Converage, and 3G speeds? (I will be using this phone majority in 3G area (buffalo) for the next year, and then will be in Long Island (hopefully getting 4G from NYC in the next 4 months).
Does anyone have Sprint in Long Island/Buffalo, can you gimme some opinions.
Thanks again.
GO ANDROID SENSE!! 1GHZ SNAPDRAGON
I am on the other side of the country, so can't speak to the Sprint service there, but I am paying $140 to terminate my iPhone plan early to get the Evo. I already switched the rest of the family to Sprint from AT&T and when I have switched on Friday I will save almost $100 monthly. I sold my 3GS last week for $400 so the cost of the Evo and my ETF are covered.
Why are you interested in EVO? Screen size? Or front facing camera?
Have you looked at HTC Incredible (Sense UI) or Nexus One (stock Android UI - soon to have Android 2.2)?
I looked at the Incredible very closely when it was released and almost pulled the trigger. Two things stopped me...the cost of the Verizon plans and the fact that if I didn't like it I would have to pay a restocking fee for the phone. Sprint's 30 day policy is totally cost free if you decide to cancel. The Nexus One would keep me at AT&T or off to T-Mobile and I don't care for the T-Mobile service.
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I looked at the Incredible very closely when it was released and almost pulled the trigger. Two things stopped me...the cost of the Verizon plans and the fact that if I didn't like it I would have to pay a restocking fee for the phone. Sprint's 30 day policy is totally cost free if you decide to cancel. The Nexus One would keep me at AT&T or off to T-Mobile and I don't care for the T-Mobile service.
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I'm in the same boat, the Cost of the Verizon plan is approximately $20 more with less features.
Now you reminded me about the Nexus One ATT Compatible Version, however it can not be purchased without a discounted price.
So now i have to weight my options of, switch to Sprint, be on a separate plan from my family (cause my Mom and Brother are Not technologically sound and have a 3GS and 3G Respectively). Which will be $199.99 for the EVO and $55.99 +Fee and Taxes a month.
Or i could purchase an unbranded ATT Compatible Version of the nexus one for $529.00 ......
here's something else that might sway you to the Sprint side:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/02/atandt-announces-iphone-tethering-and-new-smartphone-data-plans/
SilverStone641 said:
here's something else that might sway you to the Sprint side:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/02/atandt-announces-iphone-tethering-and-new-smartphone-data-plans/
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Yea, I read that earlier, However I currently have the $30 unlimited plan, so if i stay with AT&T I would just keep that. No point in saving $5 for the chance of going over, especially if i get the nexus one, there would be endless downloading from my end.
I'm paying a $70 ETF to leave AT&T for the Evo. I also have a Fuze, and it's seen it's better days. I doubt it'll even last till my contract is up. So I could pay full price for one of AT&T's crappy phones, or I can pay the ETF and get the Evo. It was an easy decision for me..
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I'm paying a $70 ETF to leave AT&T for the Evo. I also have a Fuze, and it's seen it's better days. I doubt it'll even last till my contract is up. So I could pay full price for one of AT&T's crappy phones, or I can pay the ETF and get the Evo. It was an easy decision for me..
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I hope you have at least tried an Energy ROM on your Fuze... It has brought back to life the dead phone for me many times..
The reason i'm wanting to switch is not cause my fuze is dieing or failing, but i am a true techie, and want the newest gadget... also cause i think its time for an upgrade.. lol so yea...I believe i will be doing the same as you...
or I'll get a Nexus One, and just let my Dad continue Paying for my service (I'm 21, so it might be time for me to be independent..in that case Sprint+EVO Here I come)
I hope the Line @ Best Buy is not Long on Friday.
I am on the other side of the country, so can't speak to the Sprint service there, but I am paying $140 to terminate my iPhone plan early to get the Evo. I already switched the rest of the family to Sprint from AT&T and when I have switched on Friday I will save almost $100 monthly. I sold my 3GS last week for $400 so the cost of the Evo and my ETF are covered.
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I did pretty much the same thing. Switched everyone but myself last week at a cost of $100 ETF per. Sold wife's iPhone for $500 and will be selling my nexus one
$500? Must have been a 32GB unlocked one? Good on ya either way because it will be close to cost neutral!
to the OP... dont forget the added $10/month fee for EVO/Premium data charge.
I dont know about the coverage and quality of service in the areas you asked about... but it cant be any worse than AT&T.
then add on the new pricing plans for data... which dont apply to you NOW.. but I think they will find a way to pop you; if not now.. soon in the not to far future!
30-day guarantee
Sell your fuze for a few bucks on craiglist.
The gravy on top of all this.. is that you get an EVO / android.. without the service provider killing all the good things on it!
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Two things stopped me...the cost of the Verizon plans and the fact that if I didn't like it I would have to pay a restocking fee for the phone.
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Forgot about Verizon's restocking fee ($35?). This is insane.
sergey.povzner said:
Forgot about Verizon's restocking fee ($35?). This is insane.
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Exactly...it was a deal breaker for me (and a blessing in disguise now that I'm getting an Evo)
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I am on the other side of the country, so can't speak to the Sprint service there, but I am paying $140 to terminate my iPhone plan early to get the Evo. I already switched the rest of the family to Sprint from AT&T and when I have switched on Friday I will save almost $100 monthly. I sold my 3GS last week for $400 so the cost of the Evo and my ETF are covered.
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i'm thinking about paying the ETF on 3 of 4 lines on family shared (mine is contract free since i never got upgrade phone with them); total cost will be $340 (that's what the rep told me yesterday) to terminate the 3 lines; probably can sell Iphone 3GS for about $400 and my N1 for $300-350 so that can cover most of the cost
also, i'll get 23% discount with Sprint for all recurring monthly charges
Edit: will need to unlock the Iphone first since unlocked ones sell for more (although the Ebay/Paypal fees will take a good chunk of it)
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Exactly...it was a deal breaker for me (and a blessing in disguise now that I'm getting an Evo)
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I've been playing with EVO for few days and have mixed feelings about it. I normally use Nexus One (T-Mobile's coverage is working ok for me in the Bay Area), so I'm comparing EVO with Nexus One.
Good:
- front facing camera
- kick stand. You'll be amazed how convenient it is. Everything: typing, browsing, watching videos, video calling is much easier with the stand.
- buttons are significantly better than on Nexus.
Bad:
- screen size and overall phone size. I'm not convinced about 4.3 inch screen running at 480x800 resolution. I think if Android starts supporting higher resolutions, it may make 4.3 inch screen worth it.
But for now, I think 480x800 looks good enough on 3.7 inch screen. Of course, EVO's screen is beautiful (and is much brighter in the daylight than Incredible or Nexus), but for me EVO would be too large of a device to carry around all the time (e.g. pocket is out - need to have a belt clip).
- Sense UI. I prefer stock Android UI both for the cleaner (although admittedly simpler) look and for the speed of the OS updates.
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I've been playing with EVO for few days and have mixed feelings about it. I normally use Nexus One (T-Mobile's coverage is working ok for me in the Bay Area), so I'm comparing EVO with Nexus One.
Good:
- front facing camera
- kick stand. You'll be amazed how convenient it is. Everything: typing, browsing, watching videos, video calling is much easier with the stand.
- buttons are significantly better than on Nexus.
Bad:
- screen size and overall phone size. I'm not convinced about 4.3 inch screen running at 480x800 resolution. I think if Android starts supporting higher resolutions, it may make 4.3 inch screen worth it.
But for now, I think 480x800 looks good enough on 3.7 inch screen. Of course, EVO's screen is beautiful (and is much brighter in the daylight than Incredible or Nexus), but for me EVO would be too large of a device to carry around all the time (e.g. pocket is out - need to have a belt clip).
- Sense UI. I prefer stock Android UI both for the cleaner (although admittedly simpler) look and for the speed of the OS updates.
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So you think the Nexus One is a Better Option.
I am switching from Verizon to Sprint (Currently have the HTC Titan) you just can't beat their prices, especially since we are on a 5 person family plan. And now my wife is able to have a smart phone (She got the Palm Pixi) for less than Verizon was charging us us for only one smart phone.
Here in L.A. coverage is great, and a buddy of mine did a speed comparison side-by-side with is iPhone 3G and Sprint was notably faster. Can't speak to other areas, but uh, hey, there's a map for that. LOL!
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So you think the Nexus One is a Better Option.
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I think they are comparable and it just depends on how you use the phone (and of course network). I don’t like my phones to be bulky and heavy, so I personally wouldn’t trade Nexus One for EVO even if anybody offered that to me. I also have no problems with T-mobile, unless I get to the rural areas, but that of course depends on your area.
For me Nexus One wins because of the stock UI (my Nexus already runs test version of Android 2.2 which I installed manually and it will have an official 2.2 in few weeks) and smaller size/weight (yet same resolution as EVO).
EVO obviously has better cameras, better screen (Nexus’s screen looks poorly under sunlight), but Sense UI + EVO’s size/weight are showstoppers for me. I don’t want HTC bugs on top of the Android OS (for example, I’ve never seen the sd card permissions errors on either Nexus or G1 while using camera app, but have seen it on EVO) and I don’t want to wait extra 6 months or more for the Android updates.
Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
To get this into perspective, let's look at what's in the market.
For the price of the dock ($500) I got myself an Acer AS1810TZ netbook/notebook hybrid about 4 months ago. It has:
4GB RAM
320 GB HDD
1.3 Intel Pentium DualCore CPU
Easily handles 1080p video
Battery lasts for EIGHT HOURS (!!)
Full Windows 7 Ultimate OS
1366x768 screen resolution
If you don't want the laptop dock, then why even get Atrix 4G?
Think about it:
You DON'T need 1GB RAM, nothing to fill it with without the laptop.
Camera is crap - 5MP
Unable to do 1080p video. Maybe in 3 years it will, heh.
Only capable of HSPA+. No LTE, obviously.
FroYo. No word on GB update. Seiously, top of the line Android phone with 2.2 when 2.3 and 3.0 are out?
Forced MotoBlur
Probably a bootloader locked to HELL AND BACK to prevent hacking and free tethering
Let's face it - phone's ugly and looks like an old fat iphone.
I think conclusion is pretty obvious. It's quite entertaining to watch how AT&T keeps building itself a coffin, while repeatedly shooting itself in a leg, while drinking poison by the gallons.
Wow glad I don't have my tilt2 anymore and switched to sprint with prices like that there screwing them selves band there consumers that's just bs
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HTC Pyramid.
Well, that's one usage scenario. I'm not sure why you'd pay that much for a phone off contract, though, with ATT. It's not like T-Mo where you can get a cheaper plan w/out phone subsidies.
If I were buying the Atrix, as a current ATT customer (like I am), and I wanted the dock, I'd just buy the combo deal which is $500 (plus tax) for both. That's $700+ less than what you have quoted.
Tethering is $20 a month, true, but I've been tethering on my ATT plans for years (since the iPhone 3G came out) and never paid any extra for it. I doubt that anyone on this forum wouldn't be able to figure out free tethering. I haven't looked into weather tethering is a required option on this phone, so I could be wrong. Side-note on the tethering: I have unlimited data for my phones on ATT, and last month I didn't have home internet while waiting for the cable co to install. I used well over 50GB of data that month. My wife used at least 10GB. I was able to stream Netflix to my HDTV and stay current with all my BitTorrent downloads (linux distros, y'know). And I don't pay for tethering. Not a word, slowdown, surcharge, complaint, or any throttling whatsoever from ATT. Plus I have the HSPA modem installed on my Captivate, so the data was quite fast (for a phone).
Anyone with an Android phone already pays for a data plan, so that isn't really sensible to add to the cost of the Atrix specifically, since it applies to every Android handset. Most decent Android handsets cost between $150-$200 (at least when they are new). So really, you are paying an extra $300 for... wait for it... a netbook! How much does a netbook cost? Oh, yeah, about $300. I paid $340 for mine, the OP says he paid $500 for something better.
That's cool, but the Atrix can also run Citrix for a full desktop experience if that's really what you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjOND67hYCE
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Well, that's one usage scenario. I'm not sure why you'd pay that much for a phone off contract, though, with ATT. It's not like T-Mo where you can get a cheaper plan w/out phone subsidies.
If I were buying the Atrix, as a current ATT customer (like I am), and I wanted the dock, I'd just buy the combo deal which is $500 (plus tax) for both. That's $700+ less than what you have quoted.
Tethering is $20 a month, true, but I've been tethering on my ATT plans for years (since the iPhone 3G came out) and never paid any extra for it. I doubt that anyone on this forum wouldn't be able to figure out free tethering. I haven't looked into weather tethering is a required option on this phone, so I could be wrong. Side-note on the tethering: I have unlimited data for my phones on ATT, and last month I didn't have home internet while waiting for the cable co to install. I used well over 50GB of data that month. My wife used at least 10GB. I was able to stream Netflix to my HDTV and stay current with all my BitTorrent downloads (linux distros, y'know). And I don't pay for tethering. Not a word, slowdown, surcharge, complaint, or any throttling whatsoever from ATT. Plus I have the HSPA modem installed on my Captivate, so the data was quite fast (for a phone).
Anyone with an Android phone already pays for a data plan, so that isn't really sensible to add to the cost of the Atrix specifically, since it applies to every Android handset. Most decent Android handsets cost between $150-$200 (at least when they are new). So really, you are paying an extra $300 for... wait for it... a netbook! How much does a netbook cost? Oh, yeah, about $300. I paid $340 for mine, the OP says he paid $500 for something better.
That's cool, but the Atrix can also run Citrix for a full desktop experience if that's really what you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjOND67hYCE
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^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
I'm not getting tethering, I just want the media dock. I want to be able to stream high quality video to my TV/where ever.
I love that it's a powerful phone. I love that Sony has announced they'll be making games for the Android devices, and I love that the Atrix is the first one that will be able to reliably run Playstation 1 games, so I don't have to keep lugging my PSP around with a dozen memory sticks.
SquareBare said:
HTC Pyramid.
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here, here
Milkshakes00 said:
^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
I'm not getting tethering, I just want the media dock. I want to be able to stream high quality video to my TV/where ever.
I love that it's a powerful phone. I love that Sony has announced they'll be making games for the Android devices, and I love that the Atrix is the first one that will be able to reliably run Playstation 1 games, so I don't have to keep lugging my PSP around with a dozen memory sticks.
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Funny thing, I wasn't even interested in the Atrix until I saw the linkbait title of this post in a sig. After reading it I couldn't help myself, had to post a reply. Now I'm getting one for sure! It'll make a great birthday present from my wife (she's great!).
Now I just have to decide if I should get the laptop dock or should just wifi tether to my CR-48... Decisions, decisions.... I'm leaning towards not since I found out that the dock requires the tethering plan. It does look so sexy, though (like a Macbook Air) and I like the fact that it has its own battery which can charge the phone. Of course, with a 1930mAh battery, that might not be necessary.
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Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
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Not sure how you crunched those numbers, butyou assume that people don't already have a data pro plan (which is retarded for a site like XDA)
So doing the math correctly, by taking out the data plan you already have, it's actually more like:
(699+500+(20*12))/12 = 119.9---> $120 extra a month, if you're counting your initial investment, which I think would be poor statistics.
Well, the phone its self is a standard at&t phone deal.
It is only when you include the useless dock that the math turns into a total screw job.
Everything I have read says that you must have tethering to get the dock for 200 dollar discount.
Tethering is 20 dollars amount extra, anyone who has ever heard of XDA developers knows how to get around that little bs fee.
240 dollars a year for tehtring on a 2 year contract is a rip off.
after 2 years the dock will have cost close to 800 dollars.
800 dollars for a netbook is a friggin joke.
What is going on is at&t is doing anything and everything to try and make up for losing the Iphone exclusivity contract. I would look for them to also continue to increase their data pricing fees and anything else they can charge extra to their costumers to maintain their quarterly statements.
I don't want to know what this will cost in Europe..
Too much in any case!
i currently have the nexus one and i can tether. i am also on the grandfather unlimited data plan from at&t. my question is about the tethering - will at&t lock this feature unless you pay for the tethering plan? or do i need to root this phone or something of that sort to get tethering working for free?
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Not sure how you crunched those numbers, butyou assume that people don't already have a data pro plan (which is retarded for a site like XDA)
So doing the math correctly, by taking out the data plan you already have, it's actually more like:
(699+500+(20*12))/12 = 119.9---> $120 extra a month, if you're counting your initial investment, which I think would be poor statistics.
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You assume many people here have DataPro.
I assume they don't. This is xda, most phones here are rooted and will have tethering hacks.
Either way, 153 or 120 per mo is insane. Especially considering latest Atrix reviews, which are disappointing to say the least.
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i currently have the nexus one and i can tether. i am also on the grandfather unlimited data plan from at&t. my question is about the tethering - will at&t lock this feature unless you pay for the tethering plan? or do i need to root this phone or something of that sort to get tethering working for free?
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The only way for you to be able to bypass AT&T detecting the tethering is if phone is hacked. You'll have to wait for our XDA geniuses to unlock the bootloader, root, find the detection methods and hack them.
Considering how much AT&T doesn't want you to do that + Moto's habbit of locking the hell out of bootloaders (Droid X).. I'd say you'll wait to wait a while.
Besides, sideloading is locked tight on Atrix - AT&T hates sideloading and will never allow it (from their words). So installing tethering apps is kinda out of the picture.
But that's just my guess, maybe it won't be as difficult to hack.
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The only way for you to be able to bypass AT&T detecting the tethering is if phone is hacked. You'll have to wait for our XDA geniuses to unlock the bootloader, root, find the detection methods and hack them.
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That isn't true. Enabling sideloading is trivial and doesn't require unlocking the bootloader or root. Once you sideload PDAnet, you can tether all day long. That's worst case scenario, assuming none of the devs here enable root and hack the tethering feature as has been done with all the other phones.
Also, even with the heavily-locked bootloader (at this point we don't know if the Atrix is locked or not), the Droid 2 was rooted before it was even for sale. Rooting likely won't take long, and once we have root, tethering and whatnot won't be a problem.
IMO, even if we can't get custom ROMs, it won't be that big of a loss due to Tegra 2. The reason I put a custom ROM on my Captivate is for speed. From everything I've seen so far, that won't be a problem on the Atrix.
I'm just thankful I'm still grandfathered in under the old, unlimited data plan. Hopefully AT&T doesn't take that away any time soon. And then I'll happily wait a month or two to see what happens with the Atrix.
To go against that, just for the hell of it, mine is going to cost 150, and it is going to cost 25 bucks a month for the data pro plan.
I know there are a lot of things that people would love to change, but you have tonremember that this is a first for the industry and there are going to be problems.
The phone itself is amazing technically, theres no doubt about that.
Milkshakes00 said:
^ What he said.
I want the Atrix because it's top of the line. Oh noes, it doesn't ship with 2.3 or 3.0? No Android phone ships with the most recent firmware. Seriously.
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WRONG! Nexus S shipped with 2.3....latest and greatest at the time.
That's your problem.
There are a lot of assumptions here but we aren't all in the same boat. I currently have an iPhone 4 with unlimited. I managed to score the Atrix for $168 no commitment($268-$100 instant rebate) in my premier count. Which I do believe was a glitch because the prices are now at 399.99 but mine has shipped nonetheless. I have screenshots to prove the pricing. I've been holding out for a good Android phone on AT&T because in my area I get great service. The Atrix fit the bill. You also don't need to unlock/decrypt the boot loader OR even root the phone to allow free tethering. There is a thread in this section and they added the how-to to the root thread that shows you how to enable it without a tethering plan. So I won't be spending anything extra a month aside from my initial $168+tax for the phone and I can tether for free to my iPad and laptop. For me, this is a great deal. I understand not everyone was able to get it for this price or have grandfathered-in unlimited data but some do. I just don't understand the motivation for the big write up really. Is there some sort of anger that this set up is out of your price-range? I felt the need to take my time to explain my situation but I can't think of a reason why you would spend your time explaining yours.
DarkDvr said:
Ok, so let's brake this up in numbers.
Considering you're like me and don't want to sell you soul for 2 years to AT&T, here is the pricing:
Phone - safe to say, off contract, will be about $699 (+tax, activation, etc)
Dock - $500
Tethering - $20 per month
DataPro - $25 per month
So, to get a netbook with a cellphone, it will cost $1,200 USD + taxes and activation, easily another $100.
So, a total of $1,300 for a cellphone and a keyboard with a ****ty-ass screen that you have to haul around.
Oh, and don't forget the extra $45 per month (!!), which, considering you'll own this combo for at least a year, will come to additional $540 for year of ownership. That's on top of whatever wireless plan you have. So a total of $1,840 for a year of owning this thing. That's $153 USD PER MONTH.
If you want to get the 2 yr plan, it comes to $1,140 for a year of ownership, on top of whatever your current charges are.
To get this into perspective, let's look at what's in the market.
For the price of the dock ($500) I got myself an Acer AS1810TZ netbook/notebook hybrid about 4 months ago. It has:
4GB RAM
320 GB HDD
1.3 Intel Pentium DualCore CPU
Easily handles 1080p video
Battery lasts for EIGHT HOURS (!!)
Full Windows 7 Ultimate OS
1366x768 screen resolution
If you don't want the laptop dock, then why even get Atrix 4G?
Think about it:
You DON'T need 1GB RAM, nothing to fill it with without the laptop.
Camera is crap - 5MP
Unable to do 1080p video. Maybe in 3 years it will, heh.
Only capable of HSPA+. No LTE, obviously.
FroYo. No word on GB update. Seiously, top of the line Android phone with 2.2 when 2.3 and 3.0 are out?
Forced MotoBlur
Probably a bootloader locked to HELL AND BACK to prevent hacking and free tethering
Let's face it - phone's ugly and looks like an old fat iphone.
I think conclusion is pretty obvious. It's quite entertaining to watch how AT&T keeps building itself a coffin, while repeatedly shooting itself in a leg, while drinking poison by the gallons.
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Or $199 on contract + $30 unlim data + 3rd party laptop dock.
Oh and I think Moto said they are going to release an update soon for 1080p capture. And 99% of all android phones have a locked bootloader. You can get launcherpro if you dont like MotoBlur. Rooting the phone will give you free tethering.
Its $499 of contract and where else can you take the guts out of your laptop put it in your pocket, make phone calls, send receive emails, web surf, etc.
So what started off as a 500$ unlocked (16gb) to 400$ and now to 300$ all in 5 months. [August Release Date]
What sort of resell value are we looking at before the Moto X2 comes out around august?? Im only curious because I would like to purchase this moto x unlocked phone now for 300 and sell around July/August.
At this rate, its looking like ~100$-125$? What do you guys think?
You should not consider a smartphone as an investment. It depend on how much more discount Google will give it. If the price stay the same, I would say if you keep it mint, my guess is $240.
You couldn't even buy a mint (international) Galaxy S2 for $125 and its 3 years old.
unk3 said:
So what started off as a 500$ unlocked (16gb) to 400$ and now to 300$ all in 5 months. [August Release Date]
What sort of resell value are we looking at before the Moto X2 comes out around august?? Im only curious because I would like to purchase this moto x unlocked phone now for 300 and sell around July/August.
At this rate, its looking like ~100$-125$? What do you guys think?
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Probably around $250 if you keep it in good condition.
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I just sold my black Verizon branded x on swappa for $290. That right there bad for the $299 unlocked motomaker I just ordered.
eksasol said:
You should not consider a smartphone as an investment. It depend on how much more discount Google will give it. If the price stay the same, I would say if you keep it mint, my guess is $240.
You couldn't even buy a mint (international) Galaxy S2 for $125 and its 3 years old.
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I am not looking at this as an investment. I am simply need a temporary to use a 4G/LTE compatible phone because I am using ATT Iphone4s on Tmobile network, which is very spotty due to different bands (And lack of). I will probably look into a top tier phone like S5 or Iphone6 come July. I am just looking to buy one motox new (take care of it) then sell it and have it hopefully cost me 20-30$ a month on average.
Im happy everyones so optimistic that till still be near the 200$ range considering its only $300-330 now. Whats the best way to sell? Craigslist, ebay or Swappa? Thanks guys!
unk3 said:
I am not looking at this as an investment. I am simply need a temporary to use a 4G/LTE compatible phone because I am using ATT Iphone4s on Tmobile network, which is very spotty due to different bands (And lack of). I will probably look into a top tier phone like S5 or Iphone6 come July. I am just looking to buy one motox new (take care of it) then sell it and have it hopefully cost me 20-30$ a month on average.
Im happy everyones so optimistic that till still be near the 200$ range considering its only $300-330 now. Whats the best way to sell? Craigslist, ebay or Swappa? Thanks guys!
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Craiglist only if you carry a Remington 12 gauge for protection, otherwise Swappa is hassle free. You might be able to get a few dollars more from eBay, but they have lots of fees so in the end it's not worth it.
I think you should look to buy a phone as a keeper than just temp use. People have said Moto X feel faster than their Note 3 due to better software optimization. Seems like a waste if you're buying it just to use LTE temporarily.
sicmadek said:
I just sold my black Verizon branded x on swappa for $290. That right there bad for the $299 unlocked motomaker I just ordered.
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And it's a verizon not an unlocked gsm.
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unk3 said:
I am not looking at this as an investment. I am simply need a temporary to use a 4G/LTE compatible phone because I am using ATT Iphone4s on Tmobile network, which is very spotty due to different bands (And lack of). I will probably look into a top tier phone like S5 or Iphone6 come July. I am just looking to buy one motox new (take care of it) then sell it and have it hopefully cost me 20-30$ a month on average.
Im happy everyones so optimistic that till still be near the 200$ range considering its only $300-330 now. Whats the best way to sell? Craigslist, ebay or Swappa? Thanks guys!
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Why not a moto g?
Also IIRC ebay + paypal fees run about 13% on a phone I think - about $40 on a $300 sale? Swappa is $10 + paypal fees (3%) - about $19.
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So what started off as a 500$ unlocked (16gb) to 400$ and now to 300$...
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It actually started out at $600 for those who just can't wait when a new phone is released. :/ I've sold phones on eBay and Craigslist. As mentioned, you might get a little more from eBay but Craigslist is usually faster. Regarding the shotgun comment, always be sure to meet in a public place and don't give your description until you arrive. Most people are decent and just looking for the item you're selling.
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It's true though that the X has lost more value from release date in 6 months than nearly any other flagship I've ever seen. Yes that's because google and Motorola themselves have dropped the price. But even so, resell value for those who bought on release date has dropped well over 50% in 6 months. That's remarkable. Takes an iPhone about 2 years to lose that much value. Samsung and htc flagships don't drop that fast either, by a long shot.
I'm thinking the major discounts are going to level off...I can't really see Moto selling this phone for less than $300. It's possible it might eventually hit $300 off contract as the standard price, but if you keep your phone in good condition, I would think you would be able to net $200 for it in the summer (so $220-230ish before fees/shipping). That's what I'm hoping at least...
I've never bothered selling an old phone....I gift them to family and friends that have even older phones.
But, based on current prices of the Moto x, I'd say we won't be getting too much selling them used later. I've seen used nexus 4's for almost the same as used Moto x's.....
Guess we'll see later.
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After I got the Moto X, I sold my previous phone (the HTC Rezound) on eBay for $80 (although I included 2 spare batteries, and had it S-OFF with an unlocked bootloader).
That phone was in rough shape, and heavily used. I think $100 will be the absolute minimum the Moto X would go for. A nice, thin 4G phone with great battery life? You won't get $250 in July, but it'll still hold up pretty well.
One problem I see is with bizarro color combinations, and the effect that will have on resale value.
DogzOfWar said:
After I got the Moto X, I sold my previous phone (the HTC Rezound) on eBay for $80 (although I included 2 spare batteries, and had it S-OFF with an unlocked bootloader).
That phone was in rough shape, and heavily used. I think $100 will be the absolute minimum the Moto X would go for. A nice, thin 4G phone with great battery life? You won't get $250 in July, but it'll still hold up pretty well.
One problem I see is with bizarro color combinations, and the effect that will have on resale value.
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Never thought of that. LOL. Moto makers will be a tough sell. They'd have to like the color combination to even consider it. Personally if I saw a wood back phone in the classifieds, I'd be hitting the back button before I read a thing. No matter the price. Lol
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Get a nexus 5. I was one of the first to buy. I just sold it on eBay for 399.95. It cost me about 50 bucks for a few months which basically was tax and shipping. Chances are you'll like it enough to keep it.
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phositadc said:
It's true though that the X has lost more value from release date in 6 months than nearly any other flagship I've ever seen. Yes that's because google and Motorola themselves have dropped the price. But even so, resell value for those who bought on release date has dropped well over 50% in 6 months. That's remarkable. Takes an iPhone about 2 years to lose that much value. Samsung and htc flagships don't drop that fast either, by a long shot.
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Definitely not true. Prior to the price drops, 16GB Moto X's could be found on swappa for roughly 450 dollars. Roughly about the same price on ebay, but I was able to snag a very lucky BIN for $400 for a 16gb back in November.
If you look at the most recent sold listings on swappa, most of them are still in the $350 range, which is plenty good considering they had their huge fire sale for $350 a month ago AND the $300 sale the other day.
Phones that are usually subsidized by the carriers and that are actually POPULAR, like the HTC One or S4, usually sell for much less at this point in time. Look on swappa's listings of sold S4s, they're all low 300s. Granted the phone has been out longer, but that's nearly a 250-300 drop in value. The X's used price hasn't changed very much in comparison, given that Moto dropped the price over 150 dollars over the past couple months.
That my friend is supply and demand. There isn't an abundance of used x's like every other phone yet. I don't even think Motorola sold that many new lol. Up until a few days ago second hand was the only way to get them overseas. Now that's not the case so I still say the prices will drop, but you're still better buying and selling at full price than subsidizing with Verizon or at&t. Especially if you switch every few months.
For the op however, I reiterate... Nexus 5
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kj2112 said:
Never thought of that. LOL. Moto makers will be a tough sell. They'd have to like the color combination to even consider it. Personally if I saw a wood back phone in the classifieds, I'd be hitting the back button before I read a thing. No matter the price. Lol
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Say wut? This might be the only the chance to have a wood grain in your lifetime! Lol. I am knocking on wood come saturday!
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@rbiter said:
Say wut? This might be the only the chance to have a wood grain in your lifetime! Lol. I am knocking on wood come saturday!
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I want my technology to look ...um ....techy.....not like something out of Gilligan's island or spongebob.
But to each their own.
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You can call it techy if you want, I call it mass produced plastic.