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Talk me down off the ledge (Return EVO for DROIDX?)

Help me justify to myself that I should NOT return my EVO and buy a DROID X. I do love my EVO, I have ZERO regrets about it replacing my iPhone, nor do I regret buying it instead of an iPhone4. I don't really want to return it, since I'm lazy and I'll have to park my number somewhere for 2 weeks and put up with a crappy phone, but my analysis gives me the strong impression that the Droid X is a significant improvement for my needs.
I was doing a quick Pro/Con analysis and came up with a lot on the DroidX side and not much on the EVO side. But the EVO advantages are very very big.
(BTW, I have in the past put custom ROMs on my WinMo devices, but I don't know if I ever will with these Android devices. They're so good stock I'm not sure it's needed or compelling.)
EVO pros
4G (ten times faster according to my tests)
Kickstand
Cheaper plan (We assume)
Unlimited Data (It's not clear the specific terms and condition of Verizon's data plan)
Frontfacing Camera (which is almost irrelevant to me)
DROIDX pros
Sharper Screen (say the reviews)
24bit color screen vs the EVO's 16bit color screen
Physical Buttons (I got used to hitting the front button, not top, to wake it up, with my iPhone, also leads to less accidentally pressed buttons)
Works in Metro (DC area)
Faster processor (there seems to be debate about this)
Noise Cancelling Mic
Better WiFi? (EVO has noticably shorter WiFi range in my house than my iPhone did, not just bars-wise but experientially)
Froyo DATE promised (summer 2010)
Multitouch keyboard
8GB vs 512MB on-unit storage
16GB SD included
Lighter by 6oz
No 30fps limit (stock)
Help me see what's better about the EVO over the DroidX.

TKardinal said:
Help me justify to myself that I should NOT return my EVO and buy a DROID X. I do love my EVO, I have ZERO regrets about it replacing my iPhone, nor do I regret buying it instead of an iPhone4. I don't really want to return it, since I'm lazy and I'll have to park my number somewhere for 2 weeks and put up with a crappy phone, but my analysis gives me the strong impression that the Droid X is a significant improvement for my needs.
I was doing a quick Pro/Con analysis and came up with a lot on the DroidX side and not much on the EVO side. But the EVO advantages are very very big.
(BTW, I have in the past put custom ROMs on my WinMo devices, but I don't know if I ever will with these Android devices. They're so good stock I'm not sure it's needed or compelling.)
EVO pros
4G (ten times faster according to my tests)
Kickstand
Cheaper plan (We assume)
Unlimited Data (It's not clear the specific terms and condition of Verizon's data plan)
Frontfacing Camera (which is almost irrelevant to me)
DROIDX pros
Sharper Screen (say the reviews)
24bit color screen vs the EVO's 16bit color screen
Physical Buttons (I got used to hitting the front button, not top, to wake it up, with my iPhone, also leads to less accidentally pressed buttons)
Works in Metro (DC area)
Faster processor (there seems to be debate about this)
Noise Cancelling Mic
Better WiFi? (EVO has noticably shorter WiFi range in my house than my iPhone did, not just bars-wise but experientially)
Froyo DATE promised (summer 2010)
Multitouch keyboard
8GB vs 512MB on-unit storage
16GB SD included
Lighter by 6oz
No 30fps limit (stock)
Help me see what's better about the EVO over the DroidX.
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Uh... The EVO only weighs 6oz...

I'd move to the droid except for one thing that is a huge deal breaker for me.
Locked boot loader. Means no custom roms. Means it is unlikely to see a lot of developer support for the device.

I've been swaying back and forth with this also, but I'm really leaning on keeping the EVO.
My opinion:
Cons:
-Capped 2D & 3D, meaning choppy game play and graphical animations. (I play games but is it that important?)
-Uneasy "cheated" feeling HTC has always given us (not giving us the right drivers for graphics or other hardware)
Pros:
-Sprint has better rates/plans
-Front facing camera
-4G, by the time Verizon gets 4G, it will be time for a new phone.
-Easily customized (root, custom roms, etc)
I'm a developer, and I enjoy hacking away at the EVO. The hardware is just as good as the Droid X, except HTC doesn't always maximize the hardware. That's where customizing the software here at XDA will help.
Droid X, who knows when they will get root, and even then, will they ever be able to flash custom roms?
I say if you like your EVO, and games aren't that important, stay with the EVO.
If you want to go to the Droid X just because it's got "better" specs, well, you'd be getting a new phone every 3 months...

@TKardinal
I'm in the same boat as you. Liking my Evo, want to stay with Sprint, but also want to make sure I don't miss out on what might be a better device for me. (while still within in my 30 day return window)
With regard to the keyboard, couldn't this be brought over to the Evo? I mean there's nothing hardware-wise that would allow the Droid X to have a multitouch keyboard... right?
The physical button thing is a biggie for me for the same reason you mentioned: I really hate reaching up to power button on the Evo. I would LOVE to be able to turn the screen on with a button the bottom/front. But with capacitive buttons I just don't think this is possible.

eagle63 said:
@TKardinal
I'm in the same boat as you. Liking my Evo, want to stay with Sprint, but also want to make sure I don't miss out on what might be a better device for me. (while still within in my 30 day return window)
With regard to the keyboard, couldn't this be brought over to the Evo? I mean there's nothing hardware-wise that would allow the Droid X to have a multitouch keyboard... right?
The physical button thing is a biggie for me for the same reason you mentioned: I really hate reaching up to power button on the Evo. I would LOVE to be able to turn the screen on with a button the bottom/front. But with capacitive buttons I just don't think this is possible.
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The multi-touch keyboard has already been ported to the Evo here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=710783

AssassinsLament said:
If you want to go to the Droid X just because it's got "better" specs, well, you'd be getting a new phone every 3 months...
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Cosigned
Sent telepathically via my Evo.
-_-

it's verizon, 'nuff said

24 bit color is less efficient on the processor than 16 bit. We live in a 32-bit world and 16 bit color is handled much better. Also you aren't really getting 24-bit color, they say it's 24-bit but it's really only 18-bit color and they away the other 6 bits.
I would post the images, but I'm lazy, but long story short you can't even tell the difference between 16-bit and 18-bit (which is what the 24-bit really is).
Also locked bootloader on the droidx means you might NEVER get a rooted phone, and even if you do all the devs will be over here cuz the evo is much more open to modding so that's where they will naturally migrate (and the nexus).

TKardinal said:
Help me justify to myself that I should NOT return my EVO and buy a DROID X. I do love my EVO, I have ZERO regrets about it replacing my iPhone, nor do I regret buying it instead of an iPhone4. I don't really want to return it, since I'm lazy and I'll have to park my number somewhere for 2 weeks and put up with a crappy phone, but my analysis gives me the strong impression that the Droid X is a significant improvement for my needs.
I was doing a quick Pro/Con analysis and came up with a lot on the DroidX side and not much on the EVO side. But the EVO advantages are very very big.
(BTW, I have in the past put custom ROMs on my WinMo devices, but I don't know if I ever will with these Android devices. They're so good stock I'm not sure it's needed or compelling.)
EVO pros
4G (ten times faster according to my tests)
Kickstand
Cheaper plan (We assume)
Unlimited Data (It's not clear the specific terms and condition of Verizon's data plan)
Frontfacing Camera (which is almost irrelevant to me)
DROIDX pros
Sharper Screen (say the reviews)- Evo's screen is already amazing, how much better can it get?
24bit color screen vs the EVO's 16bit color screen- See response above
Physical Buttons (I got used to hitting the front button, not top, to wake it up, with my iPhone, also leads to less accidentally pressed buttons)- This is pure preference. Physical buttons are things of the past IMO.
Works in Metro (DC area)- As in Sprint has no coverage there?
Faster processor (there seems to be debate about this)- They are both 1GHZ.
Noise Cancelling Mic- Had one on my Nexus One and didn't notice a difference to be honest.
Better WiFi? (EVO has noticably shorter WiFi range in my house than my iPhone did, not just bars-wise but experientially)- HTC just updated the software that improves the range. This is software related, not hardware.
Froyo DATE promised (summer 2010)- HTC has also said the Evo will be getting Froyo but we already have a almost perfect port of it now.
Multitouch keyboard- Already ported to the Evo
8GB vs 512MB on-unit storage- Yes more storage is nice. +1 Droid X
16GB SD included- You can upgrade your 8GB on the Evo to a 16GB for cheap.
Lighter by 6oz- As someone else said, the Evo weighs 6oz
No 30fps limit (stock)- You said it, "stock". Many people don't have 30FPS anymore, its not permanent.
Help me see what's better about the EVO over the DroidX.
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So based on all of that, AFAIK the Droid X only has 1 advantage that the Evo does not and that is the integrated 8GB of space. That vs having a front facing camera, 4G network/capability (Droid X isn't compatible with Verizon's upcoming LTE), and as other people have mentioned, support from the community for ROMs,etc and the Evo is still in my eyes better then the Droid X.

Get No lock to turn on the screen using the volume rocker.. Not quite the front button of the phone, but better than the top power button.
Things I cant get over on the Droid X..
The hump!!!
No front facing cam
No kickstand
More locked down than necessary.
Enjoy either phone....

I have only had two HTC phones--the Touch Diamond and the EVO. I never heard any QA issues with the Touch and yes, there have been a few build issues with the EVO. But I can tell you this--I have about 15 years experience with Motorola hardware and my bet is that there will be as many, probably more, flames about the build quality of the Driod X as there have been with the EVO. So if you switch, be prepared for it.

Vandam500 said:
So based on all of that, AFAIK the Droid X only has 1 advantage that the Evo does not and that is the integrated 8GB of space. That vs having a front facing camera, 4G network/capability (Droid X isn't compatible with Verizon's upcoming LTE), and as other people have mentioned, support from the community for ROMs,etc and the Evo is still in my eyes better then the Droid X.
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Let's not forget about the CPU advantage. That may end up being pretty considerable. Also, the no 30fs cap is nothing to sneeze at either.

eagle63 said:
Let's not forget about the CPU advantage. That may end up being pretty considerable. Also, the no 30fs cap is nothing to sneeze at either.
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Why do people keep bringing up moot points?
The CPUs are comparable.
The 30FPS cap is gone, and before anyone brings up the fact that you have to root/rom it before it goes away. YOU'RE ON XDA. This has been taken care of and with enough time will be fixed perfectly by devs. Can you say that if something is horribly wrong on the Droid X? Good luck if Motorola doesn't feel that it's necessary.
Every phone is going to have pros and cons so just answer these questions. They're done in terms of importance, at least to me when I choose a phone.
1. Which one do you think looks better?
2. What do you do on the phone?
3. Do you care about open development or are you content with stock roms?
4. Do you care about how much you're paying each month?
But when it comes down to it. There is only one question you really need to answer.
WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE MORE?
There have been so many threads about this in both the EVO forum and the Droid X forum but it comes down to a ridiculously simple answer. People are going to keep saying the same pros and cons that you probably already know, so just have a brain and decide for yourself.

dekayte said:
Why do people keep bringing up moot points?
The CPUs are comparable.
The 30FPS cap is gone, and before anyone brings up the fact that you have to root/rom it before it goes away. YOU'RE ON XDA. This has been taken care of and with enough time will be fixed perfectly by devs. Can you say that if something is horribly wrong on the Droid X? Good luck if Motorola doesn't feel that it's necessary.
Every phone is going to have pros and cons so just answer these questions. They're done in terms of importance, at least to me when I choose a phone.
1. Which one do you think looks better?
2. What do you do on the phone?
3. Do you care about open development or are you content with stock roms?
4. Do you care about how much you're paying each month?
But when it comes down to it. There is only one question you really need to answer.
WHICH ONE DO YOU LIKE MORE?
There have been so many threads about this in both the EVO forum and the Droid X forum but it comes down to a ridiculously simple answer. People are going to keep saying the same pros and cons that you probably already know, so just have a brain and decide for yourself.
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OMG! What a revelation! You mean, (gasp) we can choose based on what WE like individually? I'm gonna faint!

dekayte said:
Why do people keep bringing up moot points?
The CPUs are comparable.
The 30FPS cap is gone, and before anyone brings up the fact that you have to root/rom it before it goes away. YOU'RE ON XDA. This has been taken care of and with enough time will be fixed perfectly by devs.
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I fully admit that I'm no CPU expert, but the overwhelming consensus that I'm reading says that the this OMAP chip is far more powerful than the snapdragon, particularly in the graphics department. I'd love to have someone provide some details on why that's incorrect though, can you?
As for the 30FPS... A couple of points: First, the issue isn't really "fixed" yet. Will a well-tested, stable rom come out eventually with the 30fps cap removed? I'm sure it will. But when will that happen? The point is, I could have a Droid X and be rid of that thorn sooner rather than later.
Secondly, keep in mind that there are lots of us who are not interested in flashing ROMs. I did this all the time with my old windows mobile devices, and I have lots of respect for the devs here who create these fixes, but on a brand new phone I don't want to mess with that. If the phone was a couple years old, and the official updates from HTC are end-of-life'd, then sure I might take a crack at loading a custom ROM. But probably not before.
Edit: I should mention that I AM a relatively happy EVO owner, but I think it's reasonable to debate the pros and compare it to the "other" Android super-phone. Putting the carrier differences aside, the question is whether or not the hardware differences are worth making a switch.

Jye75 said:
OMG! What a revelation! You mean, (gasp) we can choose based on what WE like individually? I'm gonna faint!
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It seems to be a hard concept for many.
eagle63 said:
I fully admit that I'm no CPU expert, but the overwhelming consensus that I'm reading says that the this OMAP chip is far more powerful than the snapdragon, particularly in the graphics department. I'd love to have someone provide some details on why that's incorrect though, can you?
As for the 30FPS... A couple of points: First, the issue isn't really "fixed" yet. Will a well-tested, stable rom come out eventually with the 30fps cap removed? I'm sure it will. But when will that happen? The point is, I could have a Droid X and be rid of that thorn sooner rather than later.
Secondly, keep in mind that there are lots of us who are not interested in flashing ROMs. I did this all the time with my old windows mobile devices, and I have lots of respect for the devs here who create these fixes, but on a brand new phone I don't want to mess with that. If the phone was a couple years old, and the official updates from HTC are end-of-life'd, then sure I might take a crack at loading a custom ROM. But probably not before.
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itmustbejj said:
I posted this in another thread buts its very relevant here.
Here is some good reading from a very informed person regarding this whole droidx vs evo specfest
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g...ps-cap-lets-more-proactive-2.html#post1016816
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/109920-our-beloved-evo-beats-droid-x-video.html#post1019942
His two main points are:
1. The Droid X does not have a separate GPU - its PowerVR SGX530 GPU is part of the SoC (system on chip) architecture.
The EVO does not lack a GPU - its AMD Z430 GPU is part of the SoC.
2. Benchmarks are irrelevent and inaccurate and most ppl don't even know what they measure (especially tech reviewers). Read his posts, they are a.good read.
Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk
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Like I said, if you think the 30FPS cap is a deal breaker then just get a Droid X. Just keep in mind that there is something wrong with the Droid X, if Motorola doesn't feel the need to change/fix it. What are you going to do? Dump the Droid X? Because we all know, every phone has/will have problems. Also, even new phones benefit from custom roms because most phones are aimed at the general public while most people who are a little more tech savvy (majority on XDA) don't care for certain things especially when they know it hurts performance in other areas. (IE: Sense, Blur, Sprint Apps, etc. etc.) If having a top of the line phone is important to you, like getting a Droid X over an EVO (which the Droid X is superior in some aspects, I don't think anyone will argue that) then why are you holding onto the phone for a couple years and only then using custom roms to improve it?

dekayte said:
If having a top of the line phone is important to you, like getting a Droid X over an EVO (which the Droid X is superior in some aspects, I don't think anyone will argue that) then why are you holding onto the phone for a couple years and only then using custom roms to improve it?
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I will definitely go read your links, thanks for that.
I'm not interested in always having the most advanced phone, it's more that I just bought the EVO and since another phone is going to be released within my 30-day return period, I should at the very least evaluate it and make sure I'm not missing out on something better. That's all. Obviously a lot of this debate is based on what's on paper. Once it's released we'll know how well it really performs, if there are any show-stopper flaws, etc, etc.

eagle63 said:
I fully admit that I'm no CPU expert, but the overwhelming consensus that I'm reading says that the this OMAP chip is far more powerful than the snapdragon, particularly in the graphics department. I'd love to have someone provide some details on why that's incorrect though, can you?
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The same GPU that powers the Droid X, powers the 3GS. Seems a little dated to me. The hardware itself is comparable, only thing that is the biggest obstacle for the Evo is software and since we have some of the best devs working on this device, those obstacles will be removed.
This phone hasn't even been out for a month and look at the insane progression that the devs have done. Seriously. You won't find that on a Motorola phone.

eagle63 said:
I will definitely go read your links, thanks for that.
I'm not interested in always having the most advanced phone, it's more that I just bought the EVO and since another phone is going to be released within my 30-day return period, I should at the very least evaluate it and make sure I'm not missing out on something better. That's all. Obviously a lot of this debate is based on what's on paper. Once it's released we'll know how well it really performs, if there are any show-stopper flaws, etc, etc.
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No problem, and sorry if I'm coming off a little rude in my comments by the way. I agree that it's good to debate the pros and cons but this is already the 12591259105215th thread on the subject. I think this type of thread is getting ridiculous especially when there is little to debate, because like you said all of it is coming from the sheets.
Yeah, you can return it during your 30-day return period but if you test out the Droid X and don't like it. Verizon charges $35 to cancel and I'm pretty sure there is a wait period before Sprint allows you to sign back up. So just hopping around isn't exactly an option for most.

Moving to the X, and not sure how I feel about it

Im moving over to the Droid X, simply because im a "need the latest greatest" type of guy, but I really love my Incredible! So if Im not happy, i hope one of you will trade me back an incredible!

You'll be back.

I'm kinda in the same boat. I have the opportunity to upgrade to either a fascinate or a droid x (saying ill give my bro my incredible and $50 so I can snatch his upgrade) but I'm not 100% sure I want to do it. Sure id like a better screen but as it stands every phone on verizon has a quirk, so I feel that no matter what I choose I will never truly be happy. For example:
Incredible: lowsy battery life unless you fatten it up a little, creaky/squeaky backplate, relatively weak graphics
Droid X: terrible menu buttons, strange hump design for the camera, could be annoying to hold at times
Fascinate: GPS barely works
So in short every phone has flaws that will make you keep going "I wonder what life would be like if I went with phone x..." People like us are truly doomed
Sent from my Droid Incredible running SkyRaider Vanilla 3.0

Div033 said:
Incredible: creaky/squeaky backplate, relatively weak graphics
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Wait wat????

Hand76 said:
Wait wat????
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From the two backplates I've used, they both exhibit a squeaky/creaky noise when held from time to time... doesnt give the strongest build quality feel. I know I'm not the only one who has experienced this.
As for the graphics issue you'll notice my use of the word relative. I'm not implying the incredible is weak, but when compared to the droid x or the fascinate it certainly is. It is still stronger than the iphone 3gs, and that's capable of running that epic citadel tech demo so ill leave it at that.
Sent from my Droid Incredible running SkyRaider Vanilla 3.0

You might be moving to the latest , but not the greatest .

I know the squeaky feel you're talking about, I forgot about it once I got a case. As far as the X, I would enjoy having a bigger screen but am not a fan of Moto phones, especially the crap Motoblur the X is running.. If I were you, I would save your upgrade for an LTE phone or something better, as the Droid X is by no stretch of the imagination the latest and greatest. rofl.

Agreed
I am not completely happy with the incredible but there are many htc phones in the works with world capabilities as well as the moto pro, that's without mentioning windows phone is dropping sometime in the next 4 months to verizon, in november to AT&T. I really don't care for anything else on the x besides the screen real estate. I have two lines available for upgrades, however, I don't see the point in upgrading right now because I love the rca outs for the incredible. I have my fiance drive me around everywhere in my titan so I can watch hulu from my dinc. Plus this is the only device I've ever owned that just works every time I call upon it. The moto droid was a big step but sometimes it would cut out in the middle of navigation, or skip when playing songs. My incredible works no matter how much I torture it I even had to scoop it from the sand with my feet underwater, I took the battery out, let it dry and it has been working for 3 months since without any issues. I am just a new tech junkie I suppose as long as their isnt a gay colored half eaten apple on it.

I agree. At this time, there simply isn't anything better out there.
... my $.02

Wait till November, the X was not a good phone IMO
There are some new phones coming to VZW in November. There is an EVO like phone coming to VZW, and it will probably be more beast then EVO.
http://www.androidguys.com/2010/08/27/evolike-android-device-breaks-cover-possibly-headed-verizon/
There is also this one, 4" HTC slider with nice keyboard.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/04/htcs-dual-mode-cdma-gsm-android-slider-hits-the-fcc-decked-out/
There was also rumor of the HTC Scorpion 1.5GHZ processor and Froyo coming to VZW.

Im sure ill be back, I really love the inc......I have a 30day grace period, so ill weight it all out

Anyone here go from X to INC?

I do love my X, but I have grown a little tired of the size and form factor. I am a little worried I might be disappointed with the battery life and a possible resale value on the INC if I do make the switch.
Anyone had a good experience going to the INC form the X?

I haven't had an X myself but I don't know why you should be concerned about resale value..you're using the phone.
The form factor of the DX sucks IMO, it's bulky and ugly.
The Incredible's screen is much nicer quality too, even the SLCD version. When comparing the screen sizes it's like quantity vs. quality.
If you're into custom ROMs and such, the INC is a great phone.

SynbiosVyse said:
I haven't had an X myself but I don't know why you should be concerned about resale value..you're using the phone.
The form factor of the DX sucks IMO, it's bulky and ugly.
The Incredible's screen is much nicer quality too, even the SLCD version. When comparing the screen sizes it's like quantity vs. quality.
If you're into custom ROMs and such, the INC is a great phone.
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Only thinking about resale to help me buy a new phone when some newer versions come out (I had used the new every 2, even though its gone now, on X release date).

r3dlined said:
I am a little worried I might be disappointed with the battery life and a possible resale value on the INC if I do make the switch.
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I can assure you not to worry about the resale value because, INC has a higher resale value than DX. INC is about $152 while DX is only about $96.
Check it out here!
https://www.trade-in.vzw.com/Home.aspx

fortesquieu said:
I can assure you not to worry about the resale value because, INC has a higher resale value than DX. INC is about $152 while DX is only about $96.
Check it out here!
https://www.trade-in.vzw.com/Home.aspx
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Hrmm I wonder why that is. I have been trying to look at what people are selling these for in the forums.

I had the x and switched to the dinc. HTC does a way better job with Android if you ask me. The community does much better with HTC devices as well. Sense is a must have for me as well.
Even though the evo sold mass amount of phones, I think its too big. I the x was just as big and drove me crazy. I like the size of the dinc. With the evos 1500 mAh battery in my dinc, I can last all day no problem.
Sent from my incredible using the XDA app

I had an X and returned it for an Incredible. Part of the reason was because the Incredible was free and the X had cost me $200. That said, the Incredible feels faster, even with slightly slower hardware, thanks to HTC's superior software. Motorola's software package is pretty terrible.

I made that switch. The battery life is definitely worse on the incredible. I missed the big screen at first. Made the incredible seem extra small coming from the X. I have an slcd incredible and even that screen seems to have much more contrast than the Droid x. I like running cyanogenmod and custom kernels so im enjoying the incredible.

codyppc said:
I had the x and switched to the dinc. HTC does a way better job with Android if you ask me. The community does much better with HTC devices as well. Sense is a must have for me as well.
Even though the evo sold mass amount of phones, I think its too big. I the x was just as big and drove me crazy. I like the size of the dinc. With the evos 1500 mAh battery in my dinc, I can last all day no problem.
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Wait a minute! The Evo battery fits the DInc? Please confirm!

I'm actually confused myself. On htcpedia there is the 1500mah for $40 for the incredible .... but the 1500mah for the evo is $30... are they the same and does it matter?
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Wait a minute! The Evo battery fits the DInc? Please confirm!
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Yes.
/10 char

X might be a nice phone but with a locked bootloader that's harder to get in than Fort knox...no thanks I will stick with my Incredible

I went from an Incredible to an X back to the Incredible
The X had nothing but issues, and screen wasn't nearly as gorgeous as the AMOLED one.
The Sense UI is the best UI you can get for Android, in my opinion hands down the best.
The hardware of the Incredible feels faster too like another poster said, on the X my friend and I were in a parking garage waiting to get a GPS signal, i pulled my Incredible out and mine found our location when the X was still looking for 10 more mins.
The X is also too tall, it doesn't use the right screen ratio like the EVO and ThunderBolt will.
The developer community is the best on EVO/Incredible vs Droid 1/2/X
and I also develop themes for Incredible which i'll be moving on to ThunderBolt

I just got an inc keeping my x to try this out. Only two things so far I don't like:
-can see the touchscreen sensors on a white background(emails or web usually)
-touch screen isn't quite as accurate as the x
-there was a hair under the glass screen. Looks like the screen isn't that tight around the body. Compressed air blew it right out though.
On a positive sense KILLS blur! The overall feel is great, better widgets, comfortable formfactor.

I had an X until 2 weeks ago. I miss it... The screen size is enough for me to be trying to get it back. I have BIG hands and I could fly texting on my X but on this, Im hitting backspace more than any other key, even with auto correct. The reason I traded was to be able to customize more which is definitely better. Another issue is with games. The Inc is slow to respond and it glitches and pauses all the time playing homerun battle 3d. The X NEVER did that. I don't know, they both have their positives and negatives but my hands alone are the reason I'm trying to trade back to an X. BUT I will come back to HTC when the Thunderbolt comes out. NO DOUBT, cause sense destroys blur. always had to use Luancherpro on the X but never on the Inc because of the custom roms...

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I just got an inc keeping my x to try this out. Only two things so far I don't like:
-can see the touchscreen sensors on a white background(emails or web usually)
-touch screen isn't quite as accurate as the x
-there was a hair under the glass screen. Looks like the screen isn't that tight around the body. Compressed air blew it right out though.
On a positive sense KILLS blur! The overall feel is great, better widgets, comfortable formfactor.
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What do you mean by the touch screen isn't as accurate? My friend and my cousin both have the X, my brother has the Fascinate, and I have the Incredible. I've used all 3 phones extensively and in my experience, the X has the least responsive touch screen of all. Do you mean accuracy as in trying to click on small links on web pages or something? If that's the case it might just be because the screen is smaller; if you're having trouble you could try highlighting the link or button that you want to click with the trackpad.

re x
i have the droid incredible and i bought the droid x on the week it came out.
Immiatlely i was dissappointed at the same time some things were great.
The low audio on the navigation even with the windows up made it unusable with turn by turn directions... im sure they fixed this.
The ****ty Moto UI = **** sammitch.
The below average quality of the lcd, it looked washed out and bland compared to my incredible.
The large 4.3 inch screen was awesome to surf on.
it was thin for a large phone.
It was new.
I have had many phones in the past and none of them gave me the same kind of user experience as HTC and sadly the iphone.
If i was technically retarded and was an old woman i would have kept my iphone..
But nobody besides HTC has made a better phone AND UI...
Samsung UI = **** , hardware = ok, software updates = ****
Motorola UI = **** see above
LG = **** **** and more ****
Sony = erickson = ****
nokia = failing ball of **** sammitch.. check their stocks.
Blackberry = corporate fail, good comm device.. everything else is 10 years behind.
iphone = boring plus your instantly enrolled in a group of 10 year olds and wanna be tech folks ... and mothers...any phone an old woman is comfortable using is a phone i do not want.

Well I had to trade the INC back because there was dust collecting under the screen. I am absolutely in LOVE with the phone compared to the X. But the big question I can't decide on now is:
Do I sell my X and go buy an INC retail so I at least have a 1 year warranty on it or buy one used and hope for the best (buying a new one would probably cost me 230 or so).

brandon2x said:
I had an X until 2 weeks ago. I miss it... The screen size is enough for me to be trying to get it back. I have BIG hands and I could fly texting on my X but on this, Im hitting backspace more than any other key, even with auto correct. The reason I traded was to be able to customize more which is definitely better. Another issue is with games. The Inc is slow to respond and it glitches and pauses all the time playing homerun battle 3d. The X NEVER did that. I don't know, they both have their positives and negatives but my hands alone are the reason I'm trying to trade back to an X. BUT I will come back to HTC when the Thunderbolt comes out. NO DOUBT, cause sense destroys blur. always had to use Luancherpro on the X but never on the Inc because of the custom roms...
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Yeah games was the only thing, but I haven't played one game on my X except for paper toss. Not such a big deal to me.

I started on an X... rooted it, ROMed it (to the extent that it can be, anyway), and tried to be patient while the devs cracked the boot...and got tired of waiting. I traded it to a friend straight up for an AMOLED DInc after 3 months, and seriously, there's no comparison. I love the freedom to load CM, or Ruby, or SkyRaider on my phone. I love the ability to remap the soft keys on my HTC or use QuickDesk or PowerStrip (neither of them can be done on the X due to the locking down of the hard keys by Moto).
The only two things that I miss about the X are the bigger screen, which I really liked, and the fact that Moto's build quality is very good (it always has been), but that is it. I'll never buy another motorola product ever again unless I hear that it is open- and not because I'm some sort of super-dev, either- simply because I get better support from the dev community whose ROMs I run when I have a problem than I've ever gotten from Moto or Verizon.
The X had pretty impressive specs, but it was absolutely weighted down under Blur... SOOOO slow. I didn't even realize how slow it was until I rooted and ROMed it using rubiX, which is truly an awesome ROM considering how locked the X is, but even then it really had a lot of stupid issues (random rebooting, etc.). Then once I found out that I couldn't connect to the 802.1x wifi at my school (a known motorola issue which STILL has yet to be fixed on the DX and D2), it was over.
I've gone DInc and never regretted it.
As far as the screen, I really think that SLCD vs. AMOLED is personal preference. The colors on AMOLED are suuuuper saturated, very "thick" looking to my eyes. I don't mind SLCD screen colors or look at all, but they're definitely toned down compared to AMOLED.
What about the processor speed? Well, both of them have 1gHz processors, and with the current battery technology we have right now, I really wouldn't want much more than a that- anything faster just eats battery, really. I get some lulz from all the spec queens out there who OC their phones to 1.5 and higher, and who have to have the latest dual-core processors- they're going to spend their whole lives plugged in to the wall cuz their batteries won't last 6 hours, and then complain about bad battery life. My 1gHz snapdragon loads pages, flash, and videos from the web with no problem. I've seen the AnandTech reviews about the DX's processor being slightly faster than the DInc's, but then you have to consider Blur and (REALLY) crappy Moto software and bloat (VZW navigator, Visual Voicemail, City ID, etc.) slowing everything down again. My CM7 / ADW EX DInc is hella snappy, and I get through almost 36 hours per charge (HTC Imagio 1700mAh battery) with frequent use. No OC/UCing, totally stock.
I AM looking forward to LTE tho. That should be a real improvement. Anyway, I'm off the soapbox. Hope this helped? I dunno. I'm sittin here drinkin coffee and saw this thread. Good luck.
-x-

Honest opinion ....

Is the evo better than the droid x??? Im paying way to much at verizon
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In my humble opinion, other than the fact it says "sprint" on it, yes it is. HTC is so much better. I LOVE my X but would trade it for an EVO on verizon in a heartbeat. (i know, not possible) so as of now i'm waiting on the Thunderbolt...

I just made a move from Sprint to Verizon. The reason I switched is because Sprint had billed my wife and I for 5 months on a phone that was canceled. We called every month to tell them it was canceled, but it was never fixed. Overall Sprint was decent, but Verizon has more coverage in our area.
I can't speak for the Evo though, I moved from a HTC Hero to my Droid X, which is a huge upgrade.

Thanks
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I'm not trying to take nothing away from the Evo but, this my opinion how the phones stack against each other.
In the way of quality, I would say neck and neck. The DX is although a solid piece of hardware not to mention newer. 4G is not accessible everywhere and some of the people I talked to whom own an Evo, don't even get 4G 1/3 of the time; o-wait, let's not forget you have to pay a $10 4G fee. The hardware is older then the DX on the Evo, and no, not by much, but enough to cause a difference of negative FPS in benchmarks when the processors are kept at stock speeds. Why would slower technology be better then newer and faster technology? Oh wait...because it has a kickstand please. If I want to watch a movie, I will do it on a proper TV. Droid X has the gorilla glass LCD display, never a scratch on my screen and I went months before picking up an Otter Box Defender. I have noticed on the Evo, when looking at through the bottom of the screen, I can see several back lights illuminating the screen, exactly like the Droid 1, but not on the Droid X. Motorolla didn’t miss this. The Evo has a lot more development in the way of ROMs, themes, etc...but the DX has some as well. Doesn't matter, 98% of people with an Evo or Droid X have no idea what a theme or custom icon APK file is let alone a custom ROM. HDMI out? While I am more likely not going to use it, I would use my HDMI out before I used a kickstand lol. Three microphones on the DX, recorded video's audio sounds amazing when played back. Motorolla really left no stone unturned when it comes to quality with the DX. Sure it has a locked bootloader, but that’s another topic and one that really has no relevance. The DX is thinner and more attractive phone in my opinion as well. The lines and candy bar like styling is what gets me.
It just depends on what you plan on using your phone for. Both phones offer unique features but for me and anyone I would recommend a phone to, a Droid X has the edge over an Evo.
Sadly, technology becomes a thing of the past every six months, the Atrix is where it's at in the way of super smart phones, soon to be followed by all the other Dual Core phones. The Droid X or Evo is more then enough phone for today’s mobile phone needs, it’s just up to you if you need the latest and greatest.
Droid X for the win

Ben's said:
I'm not trying to take nothing away from the Evo but, this my opinion how the phones stack against each other.
In the way of quality, I would say neck and neck. The DX is although a solid piece of hardware not to mention newer. 4G is not accessible everywhere and some of the people I talked to whom own an Evo, don't even get 4G 1/3 of the time; o-wait, let's not forget you have to pay a $10 4G fee. The hardware is older then the DX on the Evo, and no, not by much, but enough to cause a difference of negative FPS in benchmarks when the processors are kept at stock speeds. Why would slower technology be better then newer and faster technology? Oh wait...because it has a kickstand please. If I want to watch a movie, I will do it on a proper TV. Droid X has the gorilla glass LCD display, never a scratch on my screen and I went months before picking up an Otter Box Defender. I have noticed on the Evo, when looking at through the bottom of the screen, I can see several back lights illuminating the screen, exactly like the Droid 1, but not on the Droid X. Motorolla didn’t miss this. The Evo has a lot more development in the way of ROMs, themes, etc...but the DX has some as well. Doesn't matter, 98% of people with and Evo or Droid X have no idea what a theme or custom icon APK file is let alone a custom ROM. HDMI out? While I am more likely not going to use it, I would use my HDMI out before I used a kickstand lol. Three microphones on the DX, recorded video's audio sounds amazing when played back. Motorolla really left no stone unturned when it comes to quality with the DX. Sure it has a locked bootloader, but that’s another topic and one that really has no relevance. The DX is thinner and more attractive phone in my opinion as well. The lines and candy bar like styling is what gets me.
It just depends on what you plan on using your phone for. Both phones offer unique features but I for me and anyone I would recommend a phone to, a Droid X has the edge over an Evo.
Sadly, technology becomes a thing of the past every six months, the Atrix is where it's at in the way of super smart phones, soon to be followed by all the other Dual Core phones. The Droid X or Evo is more then enough phone for today’s mobile phone needs, it’s just up to you if you need the latest and greatest.
Droid X for the win
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100% agreed.
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While I agree with a lot of Ben's comments, I still look at it in the way of development especially looking on these forums. The Evo is way ahead in that area. The ease of customization is also much better than our X. I don't know exactly what the major differences are on this topic, but they say the screen size on the Evo is considered perfect, while the X's screen format is a little odd... Also, you say our video is better, BUT the Evo's camera seems to be better than the X. My friend had one and we were taking pics around a campfire one night and his flash was twice as bright. looked like a nice digital camera, whereas mine looked dark still... I hate to defend it cause i LOVE my X but HTC nails it. And moto is gonna keep the bootloader locked on this and future phones so like I said, when the thunderbolt comes out, i'll probably jump ship... (may jump back to the bionic though if they change their mind about the bootloader!)

brandon2x said:
While I agree with a lot of Ben's comments, I still look at it in the way of development especially looking on these forums. The Evo is way ahead in that area. The ease of customization is also much better than our X. I don't know exactly what the major differences are on this topic, but they say the screen size on the Evo is considered perfect, while the X's screen format is a little odd... Also, you say our video is better, BUT the Evo's camera seems to be better than the X. My friend had one and we were taking pics around a campfire one night and his flash was twice as bright. looked like a nice digital camera, whereas mine looked dark still... I hate to defend it cause i LOVE my X but HTC nails it. And moto is gonna keep the bootloader locked on this and future phones so like I said, when the thunderbolt comes out, i'll probably jump ship... (may jump back to the bionic though if they change their mind about the bootloader!)
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The DX's camera at night is like that of a WalMart keychain camera. I don't know what makes the " go into s*** mode " when it's dark out but, during the day is a different story. 4.3 is 4.3 as far as the screen goes. I think the fact that the DX is bigger around it's screen area is what your trying to get at.
The DX still wins lol

so any of you think that you will switch to the thunderbolt?

skennedy08 said:
so any of you think that you will switch to the thunderbolt?
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Me personally, probably not unless, I get a great deal on one. There just isn't something my Droid X can't do that a Bionic can. If I had anything older then my Droid X I would upgrade no problem but for me, I think I will wait until the next wave of new phones come out 6 months from now. Now by that time, there should be something that would really spark interest other then an additional processor on a phone. My DX is still plenty fast, the development support for the phone is there and if I really need to, I can set my processor to run at 1.3Ghz which would keep up with a Bionic just fine.
Unless apps, games etc. are made to utilize the Dual Core capabilities, there just isn't any pros to spend money for no reason on " future proof " technology. Give it some time and let's see what comes from having new hardware, then I will jump ship
Edit: Not only was I right, wait until Tegra 3 Kal-El comes out at the end of the year! Quad Core in phones! Now THAT is the news I was waiting for. Everyone who is jumping on the Dual Core train now is going to wish they would have waited

Ben's said:
Me personally, probably not unless, I get a great deal on one. There just isn't something my Droid X can't do that a Bionic can. If I had anything older then my Droid X I would upgrade no problem but for me, I think I will wait until the next wave of new phones come out 6 months from now. Now by that time, there should be something that would really spark interest other then an additional processor on a phone. My DX is still plenty fast, the development support for the phone is there and if I really need to, I can set my processor to run at 1.3Ghz which would keep up with a Bionic just fine.
Unless apps, games etc. are made to utilize the Dual Core capabilities, there just isn't any pros to spend money for no reason on " future proof " technology. Give it some time and let's see what comes from having new hardware, then I will jump ship
Edit: Not only was I right, wait until Tegra 3 Kal-El comes out at the end of the year! Quad Core in phones! Now THAT is the news I was waiting for. Everyone who is jumping on the Dual Core train now is going to wish they would have waited
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well i don't have an update till next january. so i'm glad for that!

Interesting camera observation, as the physical camera sensor is identical on the X and the Evo...
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[Central] Moto G reviews 2013-12-12

[Central] Moto G reviews​This thread is a collection of reviews, tests and more about MotoG :
Here is a summary :
Written review (first sight) about our device by @lavafire
Full length review by gsmarena
Unboxing, Head to head with n5, Speed review, and video sample by @AndyCr15
Review and How to change back cover by @AndyCr15
Review by Android Central
Unboxing and Build Quality, Short Review, Display Quality and Video Playback, Speaker Test, LED Test, Benchmarks, Gaming Performance, Water-repellent Coating Tes, Sample 720p Video, Sample Slow Motion 720p Video, Autofocus Test by @jonmorris@shem2409
Review by @jonmorris
Review by @mobiletechReview
Scratch and drop test
Hard core testing
Feel free to share any link that should be here

Thanks. I have others if they're useful?
Unboxing
Head to Head
Speed Review
Video Sample

Fantastic phone!!!!

good morning! I just ordering in amazon.es (http://www.amazon.es/Motorola-Moto-...uad-Core/dp/B00GOYN5TE/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_b)'m from Spain, but I still need to wait a while to make it available for sale this terminal.
is this acceptable terminal requirements for today?
reggards from spain! and see you guys
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Android central
Moto G review
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-g-review
The Moto G easily the best cheap Android phone you can buy right now. (And probably the only Android phone at this price point that delivers a user experience of this quality.) Every criticism of the Moto G has to be framed against its ludicrously low price. It’s frankly amazing that a manufacturer is able to put together a device like the Moto G for £135 and make money selling it.
Nuthin' but a 'Moto G' thang

Great phone, but it doesn't have sdcard slot

Had Moto G for about 24 hours now, I am so impressed with this phone. I really want to let everyone know about it I have compared this phone a lot with Samsung S4, not because I hate it, instead it was my last phone and I have used it for months, so have a good idea of what I am on about
Screen
Some may consider the resolution on this phone being too low, compared to the high end flagship phones this is about 100 ppi less. But does this mean the screen is bad? No. In fact, I am loving it more than the AMOLED on Samsung s4. First of all, I am just going to say that above 300ppi I can't tell the difference. To me, 400+ ppi = higher battery drain + requires more CPU + requires more GPU. Just why? Maybe there are some untold benifit of higher ppi screens, but to me I just don't see any advantage what so ever. Apart from the fact you could say to your mate "my phone's ppi is higher than yours...". So this to me is a big thumb up!
Speed
Before we talk about anything else, I want to mention speed of this phone. My S4 was running stock android 4.3 means I should see a massive different when I switch to this phone. But the reality is not the case, it really doesn't appear to be that much of a difference. There may be 1/5 of a speed difference when opening apps, but that is like 0.2 seconds? Even for inpatient person like me, it is more than acceptable. At the end of the day, it make you think what Samsung is doing with their snapdragon 600, when moto g can keep up using a snapdragon 400... This is on stock android, don't even mention touch wiz... But seriously find a review video or go to a shop and see it for yourselves.
Software/ROM
Well not much to say here, it is running basically stock Android 4.3 with a few minor tweaks e.g. camera.
Storage
8gb or 16gb, it is always the question. Previously i'd say get 16gb, more future proof, however I choose 8gb this time. Not because of the 50gb gdrive storage (pointless if you have no internet connection), instead you could get OTG so if you really want to watch films on trips you can do that. Otherwise, 5.5gb is enough for general app installs. For photos, turn on auto google+ photo back up (or dropbox backup whichever fits u better) then delete the photos on your phone once they are uploaded.
Camera
Haven't really tested it, but at least ok from what I can see and don't expect it to match DSLR
Hardware/Ergonomics
+ Curved back, easy to hold. I especially like the dented "M" logo, it gives more grip, helps when I need to touch the top of the screen.
- Phone is a bit heavy, for people like reading lying down for a long time might be a bit of a pain.
+ Back cover is removable, awesome! In fact, there a lot of covers coming out soon.
- Although, back cover is hard to remove and a bit slippery, not so awesome.
+ Volume key & power key on the same side.
- Clean design, coming from HTC and Samsung, I really enjoy this kind of simple design. I don't like the HTC/Samsung logo on the most obvious place on your phone kinda ruins the look of the phone.
+ No physical keyboard (some may consider this to be a minus instead of a plus), I am just glad don't need to worry about menu wearing out over time
- Speaker on the back side of the phone
+ Due to curved back, no speaker sound is actually trapped when you place it on the back
+ Both headphone port and micro-usb port are located middle of top and bottom side of the phone respectively, again just simple and nice to look at
- No 4G connectivity. Not a problem for me, as I don't even get 3G where I live, a lot of people living in cities might find this some what a deal breaker.
- No removable battery
- No expandable storage
Battery Life
All i am going to say is 4.5 hours screen on time, 60% left. :good: I am not convinced the stats is accurate, so testing it right now to see if it is really that good.
Update: second time, 4hours22min screen on time, 8 and half hours on battery, 43% remaining.
FM Radio
I was never a radio fan, always thought it was kinda out-of-date technology. Then I moved to an area where there are hardly any 3g/2g coverage at all on the way to work, karma i guess... You might say just download music from google music/sportify, but I don't change my songs frequent enough and it just gets old. Conclusion: always better to have a phone that has FM radio than a phone that doesn't.
Notification light
It is plain silly to me why some OEM would even consider not include a notification light on their phone. *cough* iphone. *cough* windows phone. It make things so much easier, when all you need to do is glance at it rather than turn on the screen, then turn it off again just to check if your missing anything important. There is no more needs saying, it is just playing annoying without one, so another plus.
Value for money
For most of the people, money is a key factor when buying a new phone. Even if the price is not a burden, you might still get the same feeling as me, thinking it cost quite a lot and make the promise to use it for 2 years or more. Well, with this phone you won't get that. In fact, I brought mine thinking I will use it as a back up phone since no other phone has its spec in its price range. But after I started using it, I couldn't put it down. Now I am not even considering getting nexus 5 which was going to be my main phone.
What I look forward to
Hell this is XDA, obviously I want lots and lots of ROMs XD. But I also can't wait for 4.4 to come out and ART to be stable. I imagine it would make this phone even faster. Saw some comparisons between Dalvik and ART, have to say ART wins hands down especially considering it is still in development stage.
Final thoughts
So happy with this phone, and mostly happy about Motorola stepping up and giving us this product. This is important in the sense, they are fighting a price battle for us, the consumers. We should show some support to let the other OEMs know it is not about how much they spend money on advertising, it is giving us a great product with a reasonable price instead of throw in some latest chips and mark it £599 rubbish which is basically what is happening right now.
Tips
I would recommend everyone get this phone, and get the 8gb version. Since it cost so little, no one could moan at you when you get a new phone next year

lavafire said:
Had Moto G for about 24 hours now, I am so impressed with this phone I really want to let everyone know about it I have compared this phone a lot with Samsung S4, not cos I hate it, but simply because it was my last phone and I have used it for months. So have a good idea of what I am on about
Screen
Some may consider the resolution on this phone is too low, compared to the high end flagship phones it is about 100 ppi less. But does this mean the screen is bad? No. In fact, I am loving it more than the AMOLED on Samsung s4. First of all, I am just going to say that above 300ppi I can't tell the difference. To me, 400+ ppi = higher battery drain + requires more CPU + requires more GPU. Just why? Maybe there are some untold benifit of higher ppi screens, but to me I just don't see any advantage what so every apart from the fact you could say to your mate "my phone's ppi is higher than your...". So this to me is a big thumb up!
Speed
Before we talk about anything else, I want to mention speed of this phone. My last phone being Samsung S4 running stock android 4.3 means I should see a massive different when I switch to this phone. But the reality is different, it really doesn't make that much of a difference. There may be 1/5 of a speed difference when opening apps, but that is like 0.2 seconds? Even for inpatient person like me, it is more than acceptable. At the end of the day, it make you think what Samsung is doing with their snapdragon 600, when moto g can keep up using a snapdragon 400... This is on stock android, don't even mention touch wiz... But seriously find a review video or go to a shop and see it for yourselves.
Software/ROM
Well not much to say here, it is running basically stock Android 4.3 with a few minor tweaks e.g. camera.
Storage
8gb or 16gb, it is always the question. Previously i'd say get 16gb, more future proof, however I choose 8gb this time. not because of the 50gb gdrive storage (pointless if you have no internet connection), instead you have OTG so if you really want to watch films on trips you can do that. Otherwise, 5.5gb is enough for general app installs. For photos, turn on auto google+ photo back up (or dropbox backup whichever fits u better) then delete the photos on your phone once they are uploaded.
Camera
Haven't really tested it, but at least ok from what I can see and don't expect it to match DSLR
Hardware/Ergonomics
+ Curved back, easy to hold. I especially like the dented "M" logo, it gives more grip, helps when I need to touch the top of the screen.
- Phone is a bit heavy, for people like reading lying down might be a bit of a pain.
+ Back cover is removable, awesome! In fact, there a lot of covers coming out soon.
- Although, it is hard to remove and a bit slippery, not so awesome.
+ Volume key & power key on the same side.
- Clean design, coming from HTC and Samsung, I really enjoy this kind of simple design. I don't like the HTC/Samsung logo on the most obvious place on your phone kinda ruins the look of the phone.
+ No physical keyboard (some may consider this to be a minus instead of a plug), don't need to worry about menu wearing out over time
- Speaker on the bottom of the phone
+ Due to curved back, no speaker sound is actually trapped when you place it on the back
+ Both headphone port and micro-usb port are in the middle of top and bottom side of the phone respectively, again just simple but nice to look at
- No 4G connectivity. Not a problem for me, as I don't even get 3G where I live, a lot of people living in cities might find this some what a deal breaker.
- No removable battery
- No expandable storage
Battery Life
All i am going to say is 4.5 hours screen on time, 60% left. :good: I am not convinced by the stats, so testing it right now to see if it is really that good.
FM Radio
I was never a radio fan, always thought it was kinda out-of-date technology. Then I moved to an area where there are hardly any 3g/2g coverage at all on the way to work, karma i guess... You might say just download music from google music/sportify, but I don't change my songs frequent enough and it just gets old. Conclusion: always better to have a phone that has FM radio than a phone that doesn't.
Notification light
It is plain silly to me why some OEM would even consider not include a notification light on their phone. *cough* iphone. *cough* windows phone. Makes thing so much easier, when all you need to do is glance at it rather than turn on the screen, then turn it off again just to check if your missing anything important. There is no more needs saying, it is just playing annoying without one, so another plus.
Value for money
For most of the people, money is a key factor when buying a new phone. Even if the price is not a burden, you might still get the same feeling as me, thinking it cost quite a lot and make the promise to use it for 2 years or more. Well, with this phone you won't get that. In fact, I brought mine thinking I will use it as a back up phone since no other phone has its spec in its price range. But after I started using it, I couldn't put it down. Now I am not even considering getting nexus 5 which was going to be my main phone.
What I look forward to
Hell this is XDA, obviously I want lots and lots of ROMs XD. But I also can't wait for 4.4 to come out and ART to be stable. I imagine it would make this phone even faster. Saw some comparisons between Dalvik and ART, have to say ART wins hands down especially considering it is still in development stage.
Final thoughts
So happy with this phone, and mostly happy about Motorola stepping up and giving us this product. This is important in the sense, they are fighting a price battle for us, the consumers. We should show some support to let the other OEMs know it is not about how much they spend money on advertising, it is giving us a great product with a reasonable price instead of throw in some latest chips and mark it £599 rubbish which is basically what is happening right now. Basically
Tips
I would recommend everyone get this phone, and get the 8gb version. Since it cost so little, no one could moan at you when you get a new phone next year
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Impressive review! thanks mate.. I would get this for Christmas soon.. till it reach our region soon.. anyway, If you could make a full video out of this review, I would love to watch it.. thanks

Stop full quoting! Argh...
@lavafire Thanks, this describes the Moto perfectly, good for people who are considering yet.

Not a full review (I'll be posting that next week) but here's my blog entry about it: http://jmcomms.wordpress.com/2013/1...of-success-to-date-lies-in-the-budget-moto-g/

Battery life looks too good to be true and I hope everyone gets as gooder results as you
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Battery life looks too good to be true and I hope everyone gets as gooder results as you
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As mentioned in my video review, I got some of the best battery life I've ever seen from my Moto G.

SHEM's Moto G Videos
Here are my Motorola MOTO G Videos:
Unboxing and Build Quality:
Short Review:
Display Quality and Video Playback:
Speaker Test:
LED Test
Benchmarks:
Gaming Performance:
Water-repellent Coating Test:
Sample 720p Video:
Sample Slow Motion 720p Video
Autofocus Test
Sample Slow Motion 720p Video 2

jonmorris said:
Not a full review (I'll be posting that next week) but here's my blog entry about it: http://jmcomms.wordpress.com/2013/1...of-success-to-date-lies-in-the-budget-moto-g/
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Please comapre Nexus 4 and MotoG interms of
Camera, performanceand other relevent fields.To
me some of the specifications seem similar.
i guess only the experienced users can actually advice
which one to buy.
Regards
Shikhar

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As mentioned in my video review, I got some of the best battery life I've ever seen from my Moto G.
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In trying to figure out how this works because 2000mAh isn't even that big for a 4.5" screen.
For instance my Galaxy Note has a 5.2" screen which is roughly 10% bigger but has a 2500mAh battery which is 20% bigger. At best I've been able to get 5h SOT which is everything low or off, usually I get 3-4 which I consider decent because the nexus 5 gets around 3-5h SOT and has a similar size screen and battery.
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In trying to figure out how this works because 2000mAh isn't even that big for a 4.5" screen.
For instance my Galaxy Note has a 5.2" screen which is roughly 10% bigger but has a 2500mAh battery which is 20% bigger. At best I've been able to get 5h SOT which is everything low or off, usually I get 3-4 which I consider decent because the nexus 5 gets around 3-5h SOT and has a similar size screen and battery.
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The Note had a 5.3" screen.. That makes screen 38% bigger.
Also, the software makes a difference. And maybe the Snapdragon 400 is more efficient than the Exynos used by Samsung

I was going to say, your maths is a bit off there at 10%. You need to look at the area, not the diagonal length.
If you think back to when 4.5" screens where the norm on top end devices, most batteries were less than 1600mAh. The Desire HD for example had about 1300mAh I think.

http://thediplomat.com/2013/11/the-motorola-moto-g-an-impressive-addition/
....software optimization can go a long way, Motorola has compared the Moto G’s performance with the Samsung Galaxy S4, when performing minor tasks. Despite Moto G’s mid-range SoC, lower amount of RAM and less powerful graphics chip, the handset apparently manages to make a call 1.1 seconds faster than the Galaxy S4, it answers a call 1.2 seconds faster, returns home 0.5 seconds faster and boots up 5.3s quicker too....
:silly:

shure2 said:
In trying to figure out how this works because 2000mAh isn't even that big for a 4.5" screen.
For instance my Galaxy Note has a 5.2" screen which is roughly 10% bigger but has a 2500mAh battery which is 20% bigger. At best I've been able to get 5h SOT which is everything low or off, usually I get 3-4 which I consider decent because the nexus 5 gets around 3-5h SOT and has a similar size screen and battery.
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Let's look at the numbers,
The Galaxy Note has a 1280x800 @5.3 inch screen -> 4.49" × 2.81" = 12.62in²
The Moto G has a 1280x720 @4.5 inch screen -> 3.92" × 2.21" = 8.65in²
-> The Galaxy Note has a screen 45.9% larger than the Moto G
-> The Galaxy Note also features a battery 25% larger than the Moto G
Remember, that the 4.5 and 5.3 numbers are the diagonal size and do not linearly represent relative screen sizes
The Moto G has a better (battery:screen size) ratio than the Galaxy Note.

How have you found the vibration motor on it? - to anyone who has one in hand yet.
The one in my Skate seems to make more noise than movement :laugh: