Hi,
I've noticed an audio output distortion of some frequencies when listening to music, in the sound coming out of the 2.5mm jack.
When the speakers on the device is used, there is no problem.
When I plug the headphone, there is sound output, I hear the music, but some frequencies are lowered so much that I can't hear the singers voice. When I unplug, the speakers work fine and I can hear the singer again.
In additon that, most of the background instruments can be heard as well as the backvocals, if they are female.
It's like the sound is being processed (like an equalizer) when I plug the headphone, some frequencies are lowered, given some echo, reverb etc.
I don't understand how this is possible. I am thinking of a hardware contact problem, but it's hard to believe if this is a hw problem.
I've tried two firmwares (2.16.x, 2.25.11.1) and made hard reset also. No result.
Any ideas?
Note: I can try to actually record the sound tonight if anyone wants to hear.
Best regards,
Fast
maybe try a different headset first?....could be a short in the cable, because what you are describing is a phasing issue with the headset speakers......
Thanks for the response Kiru,
Just tried a different headset plugging it into my HAMA 2.5 --> 3.5 adapter. same result.
I will try the original headphone came with the Wizard. If the source of the problem is the HAMA adaptor, this should resolve it. (i hope it is)
Could you please elaborate on the "phasing issue" ?
fastguy said:
Could you please elaborate on the "phasing issue" ?
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Hmm....how can I explain.....Let's start with the speaker itself. A speaker has two terminals on it, one postive and one negative. What we want is to have the positve from the source (ie. Amplifier) to the positive terminal of the speaker, and the same for the negative. Since there is a pair of speakers, we want them to be hooked-up correctly. If hook-up correctly then the speakers are in phase with each other, and this is called constructive interference, hence in phase. When ONLY ONE of the speakers is hooked-up backwards, we call this destructive interference, hence being out of phase. Being out of phase causes frequencies to cancel or sound muffled. Hope you kind of get what I mean, but I highly doubt that this is the problem with headphones because heaphones nowadays rarely get manufactured with this problem. This is just the electrical part of phasing. Also, you can have one speaker, and it could sound out of phase because of the distance it is firing from walls or the shape of the room due to the reflections of sound, this is called acustical phasing.
A short in the cable, meaning the positve and negative wire are somewhat touching, can cause a similar effect, and I suspect that this is problem for you. As you now state that you are using an 2.5 to 3.5 adaptor, I would agree with you that most likey you have a faulty adaptor.
Hope this helps! and keep me posted!
Hi again,
Thanks again for the explanation Kiru, I know a bit of electronics so I got the problem.
However, I'm now home and tried to original headset, no result. The same problem is existing.
This makes me believe that I've broken something inside the Wizard which shortcircuits something. I'm very dissapointed.
Maybe the only way is now to buy a stereo bluetooth headset...
Thanks for your help
Any reason that you can't return to orange for repair/replacement?
PROBLEM SOLVED
I got this unit from priceminister second hand. It's origin is not France, I don't have a purchase receipt neither.
By the way, I solved the problem. I disassambled the unit using the info given in one of the posts in the forum. I played a little with the contacts, there was oxidation in the outer solders, i cleared them up etc, it 's working at the moment.
I'll post some pictures afterwards.
and I hope i will be able to reassamble it, I already have a piece of thing which I don't know where to put
I got the same problem. Was working fine for 2 months then all of a sudden the headphone plug is all messed up. Volume is all distorted I can sometimes hear a song but quality is no where near the original. Usually everything sounds echoed. I think something is wrong with the plug
I've had the same problem. The headphone jack on the Wizard is crap. If you have your Wizard in your pocket with an adapter, as you move, the adapter pries back and forth on the jack. This breaks the cheap jack.
If you want to listen to your Wizard as an music player, you should invest in a nice set of bluetooth headphones and only plug the jack in when the wizard won't be moved around a lot, like a home or car stereo.
I recommend Nextlink Spider headphones. They double as a headset and you can navigate through your library with the button on them.
MUSIC Speed
I got the same problem here. The SE stereo btooth headset isnt yet in our place.
Anyway, i experienced this one with ROM2.16 Imate. The sound speed or music speed seems to being played faster than normal. But when i tried to plug the 2.3-3.5 adopter and quickly pull it out, the sound is played in normal speed then. strange.....
are you all sure that the wizard has a stereo output ? I thought it was mono.
Anyway you can get earpieces and headphones with a 2.5mm jack so you don't need a 2.5-3.5mm adapter.
Maybe the contacts on your jack are not connecting properly with the internal contacts of your adaptor
Would the Motorola HT820 headphones work on Trinity?
They're working fine for me; the only tweak I did was to disable the JointStereo so I have proper stereo audio - there are a million threads about that around here, it's in the registry.
I have the SYN0948D model of the HT820, which I think is the newest, for previous ones there's a flash firmware update that may fix some skipping.
oh! Mind answering some questions for me?
How are they for music? Sound good? Any major problems? I use TCPMP for music.... will the controls work that are on the headphones themselves? How about the battery life (of the phone and the headphones?).
It seems the headphones also have a mic? Does that work with the phone?
Id appreciate if you could answer these for me... thanks!
The sound quality for music is certainly not what I'd call perfect.
Put it this way: I attached them using the supplied 2.5 -> 3.5 mil connector to my high-end audio card in my PC, and they sounded pretty good for headphones of their size.
However, when running over Bluetooth there is a noticeable drop in audio fidelity. I don't know whether to attribute that to the Trinity or to the headphones, but I suspect the Trinity. Maybe it's downmixing the audio?
There is a lot of A2DP tweaking you can do to find the best balance between audio quality and skipping/reception; I left it fairly close to the defaults for now, and I'll probably play with it more later.
The mic works with the phone and the audio quality for voice calling is outstanding. It sure makes a difference to hear a person in both ears - when I use them I almost never have to ask a person to repeat themselves. I haven't heard what anyone else sounds like when calling from the Ht820s, but friends say that they can hear a slight echo depending on the room I'm in. Makes sense because the room I usually call from is a smallish office/den with wood floors and lots of echoes.
I am going to fire up TCPMP right now to try to play a song with it. I've been using PocketMusic but it sucks balls...
Plays the song just fine, but it doesn't seem to support the next/prev track buttons at all. I tried to map them in the Hot Keys section, no dice.
PocketMusic and WMP both seem to work with the buttons, for what that's worth.
If you need anything else, just PM me like last time.
Yah I tried pocketmusic... it blows. I use tcpmp for everything. I suppose I can just use the controls on the phone itself.
I currently use the shure buds.... I hope Im not too used to the great quality ive been getting on them.
Does anyone know about this Blue Tooth headset - it's a dog tag with ear buds. Looks great, but can't seem to find it in the USA. Does anyone have one and if so how do you like it and where can I get it?
Fry's has them
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/54...prKSJ8pDg**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Thanks!
Does anyone have one? Pros? Cons?
BT3030 - my feedback
I just got a Jabra BT3030 a few days ago and I have used it a few times now. Here is a quick feedback.
First impression right out of the box is that the build quality is pretty good. The controls have a silicone / rubber 3D texture over a stainless steel backing that makes them easy to find and operate. The controls are also big enough to be used with gloves (important to me since I use it while doing outdoors activity). The most frequently used buttons are the largest (full width of the device) and at opposite ends, good design.
The BT3030 comes both with a neck strap (nice metal one, can be replaced with anything you like) and a plastic clip to clip it to a shirt pocket, etc... The clip looks and feels pretty flimsy and I wouldn’t trust it for anything more than just preventing the BT3030 from flapping around when on the neck strap.
Finally in the box there is a set of headphones (in the ear style), two pairs (small and large) ear bud shell, an AC charger, a “getting started” guide and the usual legal notices.
My BT3030 powered up right out of the box, but I still charged it for a couple of hours before using it. One of the great thing is that it uses a mini USB port for charging. This is a critical selection factor for me as I am trying to standardize on mini USB for as many devices as I can to make my like easier - and not have to carry one charger per device.
Pairing with my ATT Tilt was a breeze and I got it going within a couple of minutes.
As mentioned earlier, the BT3030 comes with a set of headphones (look nice enough), but since there is a standard 3.5mm stereo headphone jack connector, you can use you favorite headphones (I use a pair of Sony MDR-EX71 - not top of the line, but still pretty good one). The headset connector is on the side of the unit, which isn’t the greatest for cable management: I would have preferred it on top, where the neck strap attaches, but that’s a minor detail.
For music testing I used both the windows media player as well as PocketMusic 5.0. and there the results are mixed.
On the plus side, the BT3030 works as advertised.
I was able to record voice tag for contacts and use the voice calling feature with no problem.
I made a few phone calls with it and the sound quality was very good at both ends (or so was the persons I called claim).
Listening to music, I am able to start / stop / skip to next / previous track with both applications.
When a calls comes in while listening to music, there is a beep in the headphones and your can decided to take (click on the call button) or ignore (click and hold the call button) the call. You can terminate the call by pressing the call button. Music playing will resume automatically within a few seconds of the call been terminated (by either party). On the music application side, I found that Pocket Music would take longer (10+ seconds) to resume playing and it would reset at the beginning of the song that was played while interrupted while Window Player would resume within 5 seconds where it left off.
Finally, there are no independent volume settings for call / music, which could be a problem depending on what you listen / etc…
On the minus side, a few issues:
Volume management: when you press the volume up / down on the BT3030, it is not clear which volume it is controlling: the BT3030, the Tilt system volume or the music application volume. After some testing, I came to the conclusion that they all operate independently and that the volume buttons on the BT3030 control the internal amplification volume of the Jabra BT3030 itself.
Max volume: which bring the next complain. The max volume on the BT3030 is just shy of what I need (I am getting older, but I am not deaf yet ) . For regular listening (loud music, both ear buds plugged it), it is adequate. My major use is for listening to podcasts when I ride my mountain bike (got keep you brain occupied during these longs grinds uphill) and between the usually lower volume level of the podcasts and the wind noise generated around the ear buds, the max volume generated by the BT3030 is just a few click short of what I need.
Fast forward / reverse: This last issue has to do with the inability to fast forward / reverse through music. I was expecting that keeping either the << or >> buttons pressed on the BT3030 would fast reverse / forward through the current song. Well, it doesn’t work, it just skips to the previous / next song in the playlist. At this point I am not sure whether it is a limitation of the BT3030 itself or a issue with the Bluetooth profile.
Summary:
Plus:
- Works as advertised
- Mini USB interface for charging
- Small, rugged, splashproof
Minuses
- Flimsy clip
- Max volume not enough
- Fast forward / Reverse not working
Denis
Got mine today..
So far so good - it is wasy to set up and exactly what I needed. Not one for those big earclip type of devices.
As mentioned by Denis the volume on the BT3030 could be higher and I would like to see more detail in the instructions. Still figuring out what the light paterns mean.
Do you think it is good for sports? I sweat a lot, and I'm afraid it might damage the headset/dogtag... I live in South America, but there's a friend abroad who might bring me one of those, and I was thinking about one of these or the LCD ones.
Sports
It seems tough enough for that kind of thing to me - it's metal and rubber. THe ear buds seems to been suitable as well plus comforatble
How's the sound quality with this thing for both calls and music? I have the Tritton AX Bluestream:
http://www.trittontechnologies.com/products/TRIBH102.html
AKA Sonorix C3:
http://www.sonorix.com/eng/index.php
and it's essentially the same thing. Mini review:
Pros:
-looks sleek
-OLED screen is very nice
-all features work well with Tilt (Kaiser), including music, calling, music controls, pairing
-Mic seems to work fairly well, but you have to clip it somewhere where your voice easily reaches it and don't expect any background noise cancellation.
Cons:
-maybe I'm picky, but the music sound quality sounds slightly worse than a 128kbps MP3 file, especially during complicated rock songs. In other words, if you're the type who always used the headphones that came with your audio players, it will probably be fine. Metallica sounds okay, but you lose some of the quality in the drums, guitar solos, and symbals. Bass is pretty okay. It seems it's mostly the higher frequencies that are lost.
-controls are very minimal and often confusing. There's like 20 different button combinations to do different things.
-Received sound quality during calls is fairly bad. You can understand what the other person is saying, no doubt, but its VERY "tinny" sounding. Like listening to headphones from a foot away.
-Doesn't automatically pair on power up.
Sound
The sound is good not great - It would be nice if it was just a touch louder. But here is what I really like - you get 3 different size ear buds - in noisy situations putting both in works wonders for calls. I just took it on flight and the ear buds are great for keeping out ambient noise.
Does anyone know if the fast forward / rewind is supposed to work?
As I mentioned in my previous post, I cannot do a fast FW or fast RW with te BT3030. Is that an issue with thie Jabra or with all BT headset (profile issue?)?
Thanks
epauldc29 said:
The sound is good not great - It would be nice if it was just a touch louder. But here is what I really like - you get 3 different size ear buds - in noisy situations putting both in works wonders for calls. I just took it on flight and the ear buds are great for keeping out ambient noise.
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In the other post ledrocnoc said that the volume controlled it's own internal sound. Were the Kaiser system volume and the music player sound at max and it's still slow?
Tilt and player volumes were at maximum...
jym04 said:
In the other post ledrocnoc said that the volume controlled it's own internal sound. Were the Kaiser system volume and the music player sound at max and it's still slow?
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In my case both the phone (ATT Tilt) and the player (Pocket Music and Windows Media Player) were maxed out. The volume controls on the BT3030 did not seem to affect either of these.
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In my case both the phone (ATT Tilt) and the player (Pocket Music and Windows Media Player) were maxed out. The volume controls on the BT3030 did not seem to affect either of these.
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Oh, I see, but what I meant to ask was if you thought the volume was still low with all volumes (kaiser, player and dogtag) at max. I ended up writing "slow" instead of "low"
jym04 said:
Oh, I see, but what I meant to ask was if you thought the volume was still low with all volumes (kaiser, player and dogtag) at max. I ended up writing "slow" instead of "low"
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That's what I thought you meant ("low" instead of "slow") and what I thought I answered . I just wasn't clear, but yes, with the volumes on the phone and player application and the BT3030 maxed out, it still is fairly "tame" (not ear splitting as one would expect it). Maybe we can thank the lawyers for that (you know, if you physically can't make the volume very loud, you can't hurt your hearing), or maybe the engineers (trying to preserve battery life by limiting the volume)...
Bottom line, with all the volumes maxed out, even with a decent pair of headphones (Sony MD-EX71), it's just OK, not loud by any means (and not, I do not have any hearing problems).
Ow.. that's a shame. I was really looking into this, but there are situations where I need some volume. Guess I'll have to look for another Bt headset.
Thanks a lot.
jym04 said:
Ow.. that's a shame. I was really looking into this, but there are situations where I need some volume. Guess I'll have to look for another Bt headset.
Thanks a lot.
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Same here, I might end up returning this unit and give a try to the Motorola S705. Same price, not as "rugged", but includes a radio and hopefully a little more "ooomf" in the power department!
You may wanna wait for the motorola s605, seen 'em at CES, similar in size to the Jabra bt3030's but also include fm tuner, but unlike the s705's theres no dislay. They were quoting them at 59 bucks when they come out Q2 2008. I was impressed with 'em, if they hadn't been wired down they would have probably fallen in my pocket as I was leaving (kidding of course.....or am I?)
I've just also had a BT3030 for myself. About £40 including UK postage is not too high a price. I'd rate this headset 4 stars over 5 and recommend it to those who have a good phone that supports Bluetooth 2.0 with A2DP and AVRCP.
* Agreed with ledrocnoc that the miniUSB charging port is a unique and cool thing about this headset. I just wonder if I could simply use a USB-miniUSB cable to connect the headset to my laptop then I could throw away hasles of the charging adapter. (@ledrocnoc: do you think I could do this? would there be any problem with voltage or stuffs? Thanks.)
* I'm using the BT3030 with a PDA (HTC Universal / O2 Xda Exec) with built-in Bluetooth 1.2 and with a laptop with built-in Bluetooth 2.0 (both devices come with A2DP and AVRCP). To be honest, I'm so disappointed at the (music) sound quality when using with the PDA. There're much background noise and crack-sound; and even worse, sound distortion is quite noticable. On the contrary, when using with the laptop, the (music) sound is very very good and those disappointments disappear. I guess the main cause is the low transfer rate of Bluetooth 1.2 on my PDA, not the headset itself.
* Until now, I couldn't pair the headset with the BOTH devices (PDA & laptop) simultaneously as advertised. Anybody struggling the same problem? One more thing, pairing process isn't as easy and fast as I expected. Sometimes the laptop couldn't detect and connect the BT3030, but thing's going fine with the PDA.
* I especially love the idea of exchangable earphones. Now I can use my preferred SONY's earphones with this headset (bluetooth adapter, to be exact), although the accompanied Jabra earphones are also very good.
I got a Motorola S705 and I am pretty happy with it...
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(@ledrocnoc: do you think I could do this? would there be any problem with voltage or stuffs? Thanks.
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This should work. My understanding is that miniUSB is a standard and all devices are interchangeable electrically.
My experience is that if some "chargers" (or USB ports) aren't compatible with some devices it just won't charge them, I have never burned any devices by plugging them with other chargers, etc...
Now, as the title of my reply says, I've returned my BT3030 and I got a Motorola S705, for less $ and it provides more functionality! Here is a quick review:
The pluses so far:
- Mini-usb connection for charging (again, important to me, as I like to minimize the number of chargers I take on the road)
- LCD interface. It's just basic menus, but at least you know exactly what the device is doing instead of trying to decode a combination of LED colors and blinking rate (like on the BT3030)
- Radio... I didn't think I needed it, but it's actually pretty handy. A couple of times I was listening to a radio show in the car when I had to get out... I just tuned the S705 to the same radio station and off I was, show uninterrupted
- Joystick control: I was concerned early on that this would be a pain, but for my use it actually gives me a better control / feel (I use it mostly riding my mountain bike, so I have to be able to operate it with gloves). On the BT3030 I always pusked the wrong button, with the S705, the buttons for answering the phone is on the side and the joystick controls the audio functionality.
- Volume: the S705 can definitively crank out more volume out of the same headset than the BT3030. Not by much, but enough to make worth it (volume issue was a deal killer for me on the BT3030). Note on the volume issue: it will probably not be a problem for most people. What I found out is that the podcast that I listen to most frequently are actually recorded pretty low compared to other podcasts and regular music. Since I have yet to find an automated way of doing volume leveling on podcast (iTunes can, but it ain't compatible with my phone), this has been a key issue for me.
- Headphone jack positioning: on the S705 the headset plugs in at the top of the devices, just in front of the lanyard. This is great if you have a headset with a straight jack, as you can wrap the headset cord around the lanyard, up to your neck and keep the wires from dangling all over the place. On the BT3030, the jack in on the side, which I think would be goodif you had a headset with a right angle jack.
Neutrals:
- Battery life: seems pretty good, but honestly I haven't pushed it. I am sure I'll run out of battery on my phone (ATT Tilt / HTC Kaiser) before the S705 runs out.
- Durability: the BT3030 was "splash proof" and had a nice solid feel with the rubber thingy around it. The S705 feels more fragile, but I've had it during a couple of wet rides and it hasn't been a problem so far. Time will tell.
- Sound quality: good enough for my application (listening to podcasts and music will I ride my mountain bike. These long grinds uphills get really boring really fast without it!).
- Range: not critical for me as my phone is in my backpack or in my breast pocket, but I've been able to get 20 feet a couple of time where I had to walk away from the phone. Good enough for my application!
Cons:
- Bluetooth connection? I've had some instance of Bluetooth connection dropping on the phone side. This is weird because the symptoms are a dropped connection and when I look at the phone, bluetooth is turned off. I just need to turn bluetooth on again and everything works again. I've never had that happen with other bluetooth devices before on that phone, so it would point to the S705, but it doesn't make sense to me...
- Fast FW/ Rev: not sure if this is an issue with the device, the BlueTooth remote control profile or the music player on the phone, but there is no fast forward / reverse functionality. Hitting the >> or << function either with a stab of a continuous push only skips the the next / previous song. I had the same problem with the BT3030 and it's a pain when listening to podcast (where you might want to listed again to a section of particular interest or just skip over something boring).
- Lock switch: it would be nice if there was a switch to lock out the buttons to prevent unintended operation.
Overall 4.5 stars out of 5, so far so good! We'll see about the durability!
Loud A2DP, a chimera, an uncatchable dream still, even if we are walking towards the end of the first 2K decade.
I've tried a lot of them, wasted a lot of money, all of them were dull, low volumed craps of silicon got me everytime going back to wires.
But now I discovered something really worth mentioning. It's not 100% perfect but yes it's 96% perfect (I had Motorola S705 and i'd give it 20%), loud, clear and screaming.
Gentlemen it's Nokia's BH-500. 3.5mm audiojack for your fave earphones and loud loud LOUD.. Espec on my kaiser this thing rocks. It's almost like listening to Pocket Music wired something like a volumeclick down no more..
After everything been through I HAVE to spread the good news guys. No more wasted money on A2DP. (They should allow testing before you buy but they don't. If they did I'be rich )
I'm looking for non-wired now. I'll give BH-503 a try (princess Leia kindastyle). It's new to the market and I trust Nokia in the sound dept. (N91 is the best and loud MP3 player ever ever) so I'll keep you informed..
I have a noise problem, I don't think it's quite the same as previously posted noise problems.
I get a hissinh/static noise from the phones speaker (on the back) and from headphones. It is only happening while the phone plays sound (and some seconds later). Every time I up or down the sound with the volume keys, there are noise coming out of the speaker for some seconds. Please report if you have the same issue, especially eith headphones.
I could live with the speaker-noise, it's not that big a deal.. What's worse is it is in the headphones. I have a quite low impedance set of in-ear plugs from creative (I am able to hear the hard drive spinning up in my old mp3-player, but no constant noise) Crap. I want to use the phone for music listening. Question is: software or hardware related? Using JF 1.51 ADP for the record
I hope it is hardware related - I bought mine off ebay, allthoug brand new and everything, I don't know how I would go about getting it fixed/a new one with no receipt. Shipping it back and forth to England isn't really tempting either.
It's not just you, it's piss-poor rf isolation on the audio outputs. Listening with bluetooth doesn't solve the issue either as bluetooth has its own noise.
Yeah, I have yet to listen to a decent pair of BT headsets.
So this is a known problem, and it's definitely a HW issue? The fact that it's only there when sound is played, and is also there with a headset (where shielding around connectors is not and should not be a problem at ALL) made me hope this was softwar related. Argh, what to do then? The sound quality despite this seemed prety decent, although a headache today prevents me from really listening to music and say for sure. Shame.
*Pondering refund options.*
Any chance of isolating around the connector and fixing this, if it is "airborne" caused noise, or will the noice enter the equation before the connector (cabling, sound chip)?
I will try with a relatively high impedance headset (sennheiser 555) and see if it is better there. But can't take them on the bus anyway. But a couple of Ωs could always be added somewhere along the cable and might do some good. Have to have the sound at the lowest levels with the in-ears. Maybe a software fix to lower the volume output will help? Or won't it, if RF noise is the cause?
red: I will buy this item and hope it helps. And will look into lowering the volume output when using headphones as well. Should be possible (atleast it usually is with tweaks in WinMo.)
I have similar problem with HTC Magic: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633035
Here is one more post regarding HTC Jade: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=463365