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I’m not trying to upset anyone here but I have to be honest about my first thoughts on the Galaxy screen. Tonight I stopped by a T-Mobile store and with my iPhone 4G and HTC Evo, I tried out the T-Mobile Vibrant. I had all 3 phones on, side by side and I really was not too impressed with the SGS screen due mostly to that awful screen door matrix.
When I held the SGS about 6 inches away from my eyes, I could clearly see the pixel grid (or whatever it’s called) and was just put off by it. I can honestly say that I feel the best looking screen is the iPhone’s without a doubt and the Evo comes in 2nd. The iPhone’s small screen is a pretty big problem for me but now I’m just not sure which device to stick with.
Am I really the only one who can see the matrix and is bothered by this??? I really wanted to just fall hard for this phone on first contact and I could have. It just drives me crazy that all 3 phones have really nice features and I’d gladly pay double if not triple to have the best of all 3 devices in one device………
You're right, the pixels do annoy me a little, only coz I'm a perfectionist...
The colours are beautiful though; and in normal use I never notice the pixels...
ZacJ said:
You're right, the pixels do annoy me a little, only coz I'm a perfectionist...
The colours are beautiful though; and in normal use I never notice the pixels...
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So I'm assuming you just got used to after a while? I was looking at the notification bar and the battery and other icons seemed to look kind of low res to me. I guess this is what people are talking about when they say it has larger pixels.
AshMa said:
Am I really the only one who can see the matrix and is bothered by this???
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Not trying to be annoying, but you only see the pixels, because steve told you so.
I saw the pixels too, because steve told me to look at them, would have never looked if iphone 4's dpi wasn't so hyped.
I think the screen is very much amazing with full brightness, hope you checked that the one in the store was set to 100% brightness too and not just focus on the pixels.
Next time try to do something real with the phone, like watch youtube HD and then do the comparison to iPhone and you will be all happy again.
Good luck
buddy01 said:
Not trying to be annoying, but you only see the pixels, because steve told you so.
I saw the pixels too, because steve told me to look at them, would have never looked if iphone 4's dpi wasn't so hyped.
I think the screen is very much amazing with full brightness, hope you checked that the one in the store was set to 100% brightness too and not just focus on the pixels.
Next time try to do something real with the phone, like watch youtube HD and then do the comparison to iPhone and you will be all happy again.
Good luck
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I see what you're saying but I guess I'm not really talking about the pixels but rather the type of screen used that gives that screen door look. Remember, I stated that I still have no issues with the Evo screen which I think looks much better in person than it does in photos online compared to the SGS screen.
On the other hand, if you habitually hold your phone at 6" from your face, you should probably consult an optometrist
In practice, the pixels are indistinguishable from those of the EVO, or of the iPhone 3Gs. But, the overall experience is noticeably richer with the Super AMOLED, IMO.
The screen is the biggest thing this phone has going for it, and why I've decided to stick with it.
I don't think you were seeing the sub pixel's pentile pattern. Sub pixels on any device are way too small to see; a camera macro is needed to see them, and you need to press your lense against the screen itself.
The thing is, it had the same leaf and water live wallpaper that my Evo has and yet I could see that grid on it and not the Evo. 6 inches btw' was just to get closer because I thought I started to notice something.
I own the SGS and ive used a Iphone4 a few times, even though the res did look a little sharper, side by side you would have to be really picky to care, the colour of the SGS is much more noticable than the slight res difference.
The iphone4 just looked bland to me.
I have a iphone 3g for work as well, not as fast as the 3gs, but after owning the SGS for nearly 2 weeks i hate having to use the iphone.
I'm used to the pentile matrix since it was also on my Nexus One.
It definitely can give a rough looking edge on some elements but not enough to make me consider ditching the phone even for a moment.
I certainly cannot see the pentile matrix in photos and videos nor in games.
If pentile goes with denser pixels (say 1280x720) I don't think you'd notice it at all on a 4" screen, but it brings the benefits of increased battery life (though this may be marginal?)
Anyway, it can be seen but it really doesn't bother me personally.
miker71 said:
I'm used to the pentile matrix since it was also on my Nexus One.
It definitely can give a rough looking edge on some elements but not enough to make me consider ditching the phone even for a moment.
I certainly cannot see the pentile matrix in photos and videos nor in games.
If pentile goes with denser pixels (say 1280x720) I don't think you'd notice it at all on a 4" screen, but it brings the benefits of increased battery life (though this may be marginal?)
Anyway, it can be seen but it really doesn't bother me personally.
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So you're saying that after sometime, one could get used to the screen and no longer notice the matrix? Unless of course Morpheus comes knocking to wake us up.
Now everyone see the pixel.. because Steve said to watch it!
The screen is probably a net downside to the phone for me - high contrast ratio is great, but I'd sooner give that up than compromise on true resolution and sharpness from the PenTile matrix. It seems I'm in a minority with that opinion!
Unfortunately there's no real choice unless I want to start compromising on the rest of the hardware instead. The iPhone does send to set trends, for better or worse, and I do hope the iPhone 4 starts one for higher DPI phones. Going from QVGA to VGA was immediately a massive improvement.
A little real life perspective here would be nice. 4" screen with 480x800 pixel resolution is one of the highest out there already.
I tend to use my phone from about 18" away, so I care what the screen looks like, not the individual pixels. Plus my Sammy can update those pixels 3x faster than the Evo.
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I tend to use my phone from about 18" away, so I care what the screen looks like, not the individual pixels. Plus my Sammy can update those pixels 3x faster than the Evo.
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Exactly. The monstrous hardware behind the SGS is the real deal here. Even if this "pixelated screen" is a big deal for some people (definitely not my case...), the fluidity, contrast ratio, brightness and colors make more then up for it.
Six inches from your face??! Dude i cant even focus that close. The screen is awesome end of discussion.
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When putting it very close to my face, yes, i can see the PenTile matrix.
But that's complete nonsense- it's visible only if you search for it and the screen is more than sharp enough for reading even small sized text in the browser.
On the other hand, i enjoy the true blacks and amazing colors the screen gives.
The iPhone 4 just can't compare, and while watching videos/playing games/taking or viewing pictures etc. that is a much more important factor.
I won't ever give away better color for some more PPI.
I really like hi-res panels (so much that I bought in 2003 a dell laptop with a 15.4 1920x1200 screen!), but I can assure you that the i9000 res will not be a problem. Of course I would have loved a higher RES - (and 2ghz and and and) but I think that the res is fine for reasonable distance viewing.
I think the real benefit of the screen are the colors, the contrast and the size. After some point the resolution is already good enough that you start focusing on other parameters as well.
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Six inches from your face??! Dude i cant even focus that close. The screen is awesome end of discussion.
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this. and the far superior cpu/gpu/contrast/color power
go get steve out of your head
I saw iphone4 screen and is beautiful but i dun think x10 is half that bad.
So what you guys think about our screen =) i sure it look great but is it not as good as iphone4 and why?
O ya i saw sgs screen is bright but i think is not as sharp as our=)
I like the iPhone screen, but would take a 4" screen with a couple less pixels over a 3.5" screen with more pixels. I haven't seen the SGS screen yet, but have heard that colours seem fake on it.
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I saw iphone4 screen and is beautiful but i dun think x10 is half that bad.
So what you guys think about our screen =) i sure it look great but is it not as good as iphone4 and why?
O ya i saw sgs screen is bright but i think is not as sharp as our=)
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The iphone 4 screen is super amoled...same as sgs....therefore they will be more crisp than our x10. Plus right now the x10 is only displaying 65000 + colors....when we get 2.1 we will get bumped to 16 million colors which will give us a very nice display. Id still take my x10 over iphone4 and sgs...even without 16 million color display.
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I like the screen... and ive got the same wallpaper on my phone that i have on my PC and the colours on the x10 are sooooo much better than on my LCD. Witch kinda sucks for my monitor but good for the phone lol
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The iphone 4 screen is super amoled...same as sgs....therefore they will be more crisp than our x10. Plus right now the x10 is only displaying 65000 + colors....when we get 2.1 we will get bumped to 16 million colors which will give us a very nice display. Id still take my x10 over iphone4 and sgs...even without 16 million color display.
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Iphone4 : Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php
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Iphone4 : Display Type TFT capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-3275.php
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Right on...thanks for the info. I was thinking it was super amoled for whatever reason. Not an iphone/apple fan, so I don't really pay much attention to what they have....couldn't really care to be honest either lol.
It will be interesting to see what the X10 can do when we get 16 millions colors.
iPhone 4: IPS panel, superior color accuracy to other types, best viewing angles. The 4's display, as we all know, has the highest resolution (too high for my tastes) and true 16-bit color, around 1000:1 static contrast ratio (excellent).
X10: TN panel (most likely), at best 16.2 million dithered colors, decent viewing angles, decent contrast (nowhere near the iPhone 4).
Samsung Galaxy S: Pentile SAMOLED. Pentile is an awful technology that pretty much ruins most of the good in SAMOLED. The Galaxy S has outstanding contrast (50,000:1), insane blacks (as good as high end plasma TVs), and remarkable viewing angles (slightly better than the iPhone 4), but Pentile makes reading small text a headache for some. I kept seeing a slight "screen-door" effect with normal sized text too. Read up on the color inaccuracy of Pentile displays, and why the Galaxy S is not a TRUE 480x800 resolution phone.
Overall, in my view, the Droid/Droid X (haven't seen it in person though) and iPhone 4 have the best display with the LEAST compromises. The Galaxy S' blacks are sick though --too bad black isn't a color!
I have both an sgs and an x10. And the sgs display is way ahead of the x10.
The contrast makes a crap load of difference and the extra colours are very distinct. I have to stick to greyish wallpapers so i dont get colour bands on the x10.
Haven't seen the iphone 4 not available yet in south Africa.
Looking forward to seeing the x10 in 16m though. Should be interesting to compare
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I have both an sgs and an x10. And the sgs display is way ahead of the x10.
The contrast makes a crap load of difference and the extra colours are very distinct. I have to stick to greyish wallpapers so i dont get colour bands on the x10.
Haven't seen the iphone 4 not available yet in south Africa.
Looking forward to seeing the x10 in 16m though. Should be interesting to compare
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I have had both and I would agree that the Captivate is better when viewing photos or video. When viewing text though, I disagree. I much prefer the X10 for text (email, sms, web browsing, etc.).
I played with a Vibrant today at a Bell store what i noticed was that the blacks are indeed very good, the thing is though that the whites suck they are kind of blue not really white, in matter of fact there is quite a bit blueish tint going on.. The colors are very colorful lol but not real at all they are way oversaturated if thats the word. Also i can see the pixels from a mile away lol. Anyway the screen is nice to look at but its unrealistic and is bad for reading any kind of text wich i do quite a bit more than watching videos. Also the X10 screen looks bigger because the Vibrant's screen is a little wider and i dont really like that. My overall thought on the Vibrant is that it felt kind of cheap in my hand and also ugly. If it wasnt for the screen that pops out at you i doubt anyone wouldve paid attention to this phone even with the hummingbird cpu and the 512ram.
I've got a Desire and had it since launch but today I bought a Desire HD. I like the phone and I like the bigger screen but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed going from AMOLED to LCD.... the colours... the viewing angles.... even considering sending the phone back and staying with the Desire although the phone seems much faster, I can't help but look at the screen and feel disappointed....
What do you guys think?
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Scott
here is one good example desire vs desire hd screan
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I've got a Desire and had it since launch but today I bought a Desire HD. I like the phone and I like the bigger screen but I can't help but feel a bit disappointed going from AMOLED to LCD.... the colours... the viewing angles.... even considering sending the phone back and staying with the Desire although the phone seems much faster, I can't help but look at the screen and feel disappointed....
What do you guys think?
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Scott
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I can't really understand what's the point in having 180 degrees viewing angle on a phone. Like I would like to look at the USB port when using my phone . All the time you are using it, you are looking directly at it. And the colors are pretty much a matter of opinion - I've seen the Galaxy S screen and it seems over saturated to me. Daylight visibility is very good also. The one thing that is a real advantage of AMOLED over LCD screens is the black. Other than that there is no real reason for HTC to put themselves in the same PR nightmare as they did with Samsung's inability/unwillingness to provide them with enough screens for the Desire. Yesterday I put an invisible shield on my wife's iPhone 4 and looking at the acclaimed Retina Display the first thought that went through my head was "OMG, it's so small" . I wouldn't give up the DHD anytime soon and definately not because of its screen.
I'm perfectly happy with the screen, it is amazing. I don't care about viewing angles, it is not like I look at it from a 45 degree angle.. It's always pretty much 90 degrees.
As with others here I'm perfectly happy with the screen. Also as pointed out the only real plus of an AMOLED based display is the black level which, honestly, isn't that big of a deal for me. Viewing angles is something that always puzzles me. Do people often try to use their phone from obtuse angles? The only time I can think of when I've done this is a quick glance at the screen but since only the power button wakes it up I don't think that will be an issue.
I think you're over-obsessing over something that in real use is a non-issue. I'd really like all these people who complain about viewing angles to give some valid reasons why they think it's such a problem.
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Im have no complaints what so ever with the screen. A week into the relationship with my DHD and we are still very much in the honeymoon phase.
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I was the same... going from a Desire to the HD I was so disappointed with the 'washed out' appearance of the screen (I don't care so much about viewing angles)
But you know what... after a few days I really didn't notice it and I still have the Desire (awaiting eBay selling) and when I look at it I think the screen is too saturated!!
I miss the black levels a bit but on the whole I am more than happy with the screen colours now.
They are after all on a par with my laptop and netbook screens and I never complain about them!
This is part of a full review I will be posting on here once I have had a bit more time with the phone, any feedback would be appreciated. I'd like to answer any questions people have in the final review.
The screen.... the screen.... Seeing as the size of it dominates the entirety of the phone, this was always going to be an issue for many people! Before the phone was released I was actively following the LCD vs S-LCD debate and owning a Nexus One, had been treated to the 'contrastific' wonder that is AMOLED.
I'll be honest and say I felt panicked when confronted with the fact this maybe a regular TFT and not an S-LCD screen. Not an AMOLED or a SAMOLED in this day and age how dare they??! Considering Samsungs reluctance to part with the SAMOLED and the much reported worldwide shortage of AMOLED screens this was of no surprise and highly understandable.
Now I actually have the phone in my hand, I curse my stupidity in regards to getting caught up in 'the forum debate' and losing track on reality. As technophiles we all feel a twinge of excitement when quoting the relevant technology our handsets contain to our friends and fellow forum dwellers. I'm not discounting the real world benefits of such technology, but sometimes we tend to trust more in the branding terms than the actual real world performance.
After owning an AMOLED Nexus I cannot deny that the contrast levels are unbeatable (Samsung Galaxy S aside). Watching movies on the screen was a joy, especially in dark scenes when the black levels came through in all their glory. Personally, I liked the colour saturation (or over-saturation) which gave the display an eye grabbing brilliance which even next to the iPhone 4's lauded Retina Display (nice branding for what is simply a high res IPS LCD) it managed to hold it's head high.
When switching on the Desire HD after coming from a Nexus, the feeling compares to taking off your shades after a long day in the sun. The colours are not quite the same, the brightness has shifted and you find yourself blinking rapidly as your eyes slowly adjust to what is a different experience. Now to say this is a sub par experience is completely unfounded. Yes some people will instantly wonder whether their phone is functioning correctly, or take a swift trip down to the Opticians questioning their vision. They will finally end up cursing the lack of AMOLED on Xda-Developers, stating washed out colours and poor viewing angles (those who look at there phone sideways all day).
All I can say in response is that while coming from an AMOLED to the Desire HD is like taking off your shades, there are always those who keep their shades on all day long, even in the dark .
As my eyes adjusted to the screen I started to understand what the term 'over-saturated' actually meant! I wanted to apologise to my Iris, Cornea and Retina all at one time. The colours aren't washed out, it's just my eyes were over washed with a false spectrum for so long. The main benefits for this are seen when browsing the web and looking at images, they look REAL. I actually feel as if i'm seeing something in front of me and not looking at a phone screen. The only sadness I feel is when watching videos, it just doesn't look as VIVID, not to say it doesn't look good, but I guess those juicy blacks will definitely be missed.
Another thing is slowly dawning on me, PenTile displays are horrendous. I was duly concerned that having the same resolution on a 35% larger screen would mean the subsequent pixellation would have me screaming for Cupertino's Retina Display to come and save me (sickening thought). Strangely enough it actually feels as though the resoultion is higher. I remembered reading about the Nexus One screen here and feeling it was unfair attack (BTW anyone on here that doesn't read ArsTechnica, bookmark it now). The premise was that the subpixel arrangement on AMOLED screens (Even the SGS has this) meant the effective resolution was less than the 480x800 claimed and more like 392x653, something I now accept to be correct. Comparing the screens side by side it becomes all the more apparent that the resolution cannot be the same, as some images appear sharper on the larger screen which doesn't make logical sense. It is safe to say that for once I agree with Apple and their decision to keep away from AMOLED when many fanboys were demanding it after the 3GS.
Finally, the superior colour depth of the screen has slowly come to the fore. I've read conflicting reports of Nexus creen having 16m vs 65k colours and of being 16bit (Link). I can refer back to one of my earlier statements about technical branding vs reality. Whatever the specs of the Nexus One/Desire screen it falls flat on colour depth compared to the Desire HD. Backgrounds which previously suffered from banding are now brilliant and even the XDA app startup splash, which had serious banding issues on the Nexus now displays colours which weren't even visible before.
Overall, once over the adjustment period, the DHD screen trumps that of the Nexus or Desire and is simply stunning. The size alone renders many of the arguments pointless. I hold my Nexus now and have the same feeling as when I first held the X10 Mini, I feel as though my phone could eat it for breakfast the cute little thing it is. Don't fear the negative comments on here, see it for yourself and if you don't like it, you don't like it.
I certainly do.
Regards.
Some final thoughts....
Did somebody say fully multitouch??
TFT LCD vs S-LCD?? Just in case this is a TFT
HD2 (TFT LCD) Review Endgadget - In terms of colour and contrast, the HD2's screen is a champion. Images and video looked saturated but not drenched, and blacks seemed superbly deep to us.
HD2 (TFT LCD) Review Gizmodo - The 4.3-inch glass display is pure bliss
Comparison Image, Sorry for the poor quality!
very nice analysis of the screens lynx! Im looking forward to your full review! btw i really love the setup you have on your phone in that pic. Stock android looking with HTC's nice clock widget..
Thanks, it's Launcher Pro set up like the stock launcher with the original Fancy Widget. Add the 'Faux Sense' widgets and animations then you're good to go. Regarding the comparison picture, it may seem like the Nexus has more colour but it is simply the unnatural colours that make it seem that way. The DHD image is so real you feel you could pick up a pebble!
tkolev said:
I can't really understand what's the point in having 180 degrees viewing angle on a phone. Like I would like to look at the USB port when using my phone . All the time you are using it, you are looking directly at it.
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I totally agree.
All these comparisons about viewing angles, Touch response when doing swipes in slow-motion is so damn silly.
Way in the world would you like to be able to look at it from an extreme angles anyway?
Use the phone! I say it again: USE the phone!
If you like it keep it, otherwise sell it.
I get the impression that many people here are buying a phone just to impress their neighbour with the best spec-sheet. And then they get "sad like children loosing their favourite toy" when they can't. So damn silly!
Today I showed the screen of my galaxy s II to my iphone4 owning friend. We both loaded up bbc home page, and the white background on his phone looked much better than on my phone.
On my phone the white background looked cream in colour, where as his displayed as pure white.
Will this be able to be fixed with vodoo colour?
It can be helped with Voodoo color, but it can never look like an LCD based display since SAMOLED screens don't have the LED backlight in the back. And also, an iPhone 4's display has already been proven to be a bit blue tinted which makes whites look brighter when they're actually a slight shade of blue. I've spent a lot of time calibrating my Nexus S screen with Voodoo color and I can safely say the result is a more pleasant shade of white than my friend's iPhone 4. Also with Voodoo color I can boost the brightness higher than what the stock specifications permit so it's even a brighter white than the iPhone 4's if I want it to be, but it consumes a LOT of power.
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Today I showed the screen of my galaxy s II to my iphone4 owning friend. We both loaded up bbc home page, and the white background on his phone looked much better than on my phone.
On my phone the white background looked cream in colour, where as his displayed as pure white.
Will this be able to be fixed with vodoo colour?
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Cream? Really? http://amishlandofct.com/resources/color+cream.jpg
At any rate - yes, voodoo colour can change the colour temperature.
Dannyboyni said:
Today I showed the screen of my galaxy s II to my iphone4 owning friend. We both loaded up bbc home page, and the white background on his phone looked much better than on my phone.
On my phone the white background looked cream in colour, where as his displayed as pure white.
Will this be able to be fixed with vodoo colour?
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the nature of LCD and OLED makes the colors differ here in America. It also makes the colours differ in England and most of its former colonies.
You can try setting the separate brightness setting in the browser settings to 100% (it is separate from general brightness setting in the phone settings).
I bet it would still have a different hue if you look at them side by side.
You can also try taking a friend with an iP4 that is a year old to a store that sells iP4 now, and compare how they look - you will probably see some difference there too, side by side.
He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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Cream? Really? http://amishlandofct.com/resources/color+cream.jpg
At any rate - yes, voodoo colour can change the colour temperature.
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that is a freaking picture of some fabric, right??? because I got scared thinking my laptop LCD is showing banding on cream color.
Haha... I guess the only difference between boys and men are the price of their toys huh?
If you want to humiliate him, ask him to show you a black image. Then laugh at how much light leakage he has. Then play a high quality youtube clip like a movie trailer with some action scenes, then laugh at how slow his pixel response is (ghosting). Also while you're trying to play a high quality youtube clip... remind him that he needs to be on wifi in order to do it because he only gets low quality over 3G =)
Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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Haha... I guess the only difference between boys and men are the price of their toys huh?
If you want to humiliate him, ask him to show you a black image. Then laugh at how much light leakage he has. Then play a high quality youtube clip like a movie trailer with some action scenes, then laugh at how slow his pixel response is (ghosting). Also while you're trying to play a high quality youtube clip... remind him that he needs to be on wifi in order to do it because he only gets low quality over 3G =)
Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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What, because you prefer an inferior picture quality? There is a reason the big manufacturers are phasing out plasma.
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Haha... I guess the only difference between boys and men are the price of their toys huh?
If you want to humiliate him, ask him to show you a black image. Then laugh at how much light leakage he has. Then play a high quality youtube clip like a movie trailer with some action scenes, then laugh at how slow his pixel response is (ghosting). Also while you're trying to play a high quality youtube clip... remind him that he needs to be on wifi in order to do it because he only gets low quality over 3G =)
Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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I second this.
Why didn't you test the black on both screens too?
Iphone4 does have a higher resolution, so it's silly to go comparing that, since it's a known fact.
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Trust me I'd take the SAMOLED over an LCD display any day. Same reason I have a plasma TV and not an LCD/LED one.
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I would go one step further: comparing SGS2 screen to iP4 screen is like sitting on a coach 15 feet from TV and comparing a fine 480P 37 inch plasma TV with a "finer" 4K 32 inch LCD TV
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What, because you prefer an inferior picture quality? There is a reason the big manufacturers are phasing out plasma.
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They are phasing out plasmas because they are more expensive, eat more power , are harder to make, and can't compete with LCDs in price.
Real video buffs still prefer Plasma for its true blacks and great refresh rates.
I'm not gonna let this get into a TV debate but it's well known videophiles and avid cinema/sports watchers will always choose a plasma TV over an LCD because of the purer blacks and insanely faster pixel response (no ghosting like an LCD/LED). The mere fact that LCD/LED TVs even have to QUOTE a pixel response time indicates an inferiority.
And this also carries through to phones. If you don't believe me, try it. Pick up any HTC phone and compare it to any Galaxy phone. Go to a black menu with white text... perhaps the settings menu and scroll up and down. You'll notice MASSIVE text ghosting on the HTC LCD screens but none on the SAMOLED screen. Please, don't come back claiming things you haven't tested yourself with no facts to back it up.
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What, because you prefer an inferior picture quality? There is a reason the big manufacturers are phasing out plasma.
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They are phasing out plasmas because they are more expensive, eat more power , are harder to make, and can't compete with LCDs in price.
Real video buffs still prefer Plasma for its true blacks and great refresh rates.
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Real buffs prefer high quality LED panels, plasma simply can't compete with the definition even if fast moving imagery is sometimes better. And I know this as someone who has owned high quality sets of every type.
Plasma's days were numbered as soon as it's monopoly on extra large panels ceased to exist thanks to LCD and then LED technology allowing 42" and above panels to be financially and technically viable with no loss of quality.
Still, we can agree to differ on all that if you wish.
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And this also carries through to phones. If you don't believe me, try it. Pick up any HTC phone and compare it to any Galaxy phone. Go to a black menu with white text... perhaps the settings menu and scroll up and down. You'll notice MASSIVE text ghosting on the HTC LCD screens but none on the SAMOLED screen. Please, don't come back claiming things you haven't tested yourself with no facts to back it up.
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I fail to see where the comparison between SAMOLED and LCD is relevant to a comparison between LCD/LED and plasma.
Oh, and I have tested myself.
What do you mean with "pure white"? To me it sounds like iphone has colder color temperature, that is not better, just different. In fact that would give less natural colors.
Try to change color temperature on your pc monitor to understand what I mean, a warm temperature of 6500K is more creamish than a cold temperature of let's say 9000K.
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Real buffs prefer high quality LED panels...
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I hope you do realize LED is just another type of backlight for same LCD screen, and it not always makes that same LCD produce truer blacks, and it does not do a thing to refresh rates.
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I'm not gonna let this get into a TV debate ...
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What he said. I am done.
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I hope you do realize LED is just another type of backlight for same LCD screen, and it not always makes that same LCD produce truer blacks, and it does not do a thing to refresh rates.
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Obviously, I'm well aware of the technicalities of all current TV technology or I wouldn't be entering a debate about it.
Anyway, agree to differ and move on, as said derailing this thread is pointless.
Ask him to play a flash video from the browser And it is true the iphone's display is fairly impressive but I prefer the bright colors, larger size, and better power consumption of the SAMOLED+
Are you aware that the GS2 screen has 2 different brightness settings? It has the normal brightness, but lower down the menu it has a setting 'Auto adjust screen power' This actually dulls whites when there is a lot of white on the screen to reduce power use. If you untick it the screen is a lot more pure white.
Oh and on the subject of TV screens plasmas are getting a boost from 3D. 3D plasmas are much better than LED/LCD because of their reaction times. Much much less ghosting and as a result deeper 3D effect. A full HD plasma is still the best screen there is right now. Much less harsh than an LCD, better blacks, more realistic colours and less intense whites.
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He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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Who cares about which screen displaying bbc has better white. This baby has everything, 1080p, bluetooth 3.0, wireless n, hspa+, dual core, android (!), better battery and I think the samoled+ can display colours much better. Also no gay itunes and you do not need to jailbreak your iPhone (which makes the iPhone instable and ****) to just get freedom
Edit: forget about these things
4.3" screen, 9mm thick, 116g, micro sd slot and more.. seriously that phone rapes the iPhone
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He was saying to me, "oh your screen tech hasn't evolved yet, you cant display proper white", haha, "my text is so much sharper than yours".
It was true about the text, my heart sank when I compared BBC homepage in portrait mode. His text looked MUCH sharper than mines. But then he has got a much higher resolution.
I really did feel humiliated, I just want nice pure white like the iphone4 has. I know I don't have a backlight.
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funny that you fall for that
put his iphone in the sun and say "whats white good for if you can't see anything?"
they're different techs. besides, true white is subjective. then theres like 150 other reasons why the SGS2 is technically better, and why the iphone5 will actually be very similar to the SGS2.
I can confirm this "cream" or, as I would put it, "yellow" tint to the screen and whites in particular. It's not right - I consider it a fault. My old (now current) SGS has the most perfect, even whites I've ever seen on a phone - even beating thr iPhone 4 in my opinion.
The SGSII is horribly bad quality as far as I'm concerned. I see nothing in SAMOLED+ that improved over SAMOLED. It's actually more grainy, too saturated, viewing angles - bizarrely are off, and blurs slightly when scrolling. What the hell is up with Samsung?
Burn-in, image retention, colors degrading with time my god there are so many issues with SAMOLED screens I personally dont feel that super amazing contrast is worth all that.
It seems with the galaxy S and nexus S the problems werent as huge as they have become with the SGS2, galaxy note and galaxy nexus. With an LCD phone if there is a problem it will be manufacturing problem and not something that would develop after several months.
It seems with every new generation of SAMOLED screen the image quality is getting better but the problems are getting worse. LCD's on the other hand are only getting better with no problems.
I think if samsung is unable to improve on the SAMOLED tech then they should just suspend it for now until they can improve it. Samsung makes the beautiful LCD on my nexus S, samsung also provides HTC with the screen of the HTC one X which is widely regarded as the best smartphone screen. Samsung also makes the screen of the ipad 3. Samsung obviously knows how to make an LCD thats better than the competition if they were to make one for their own flagship.
So what is your opinion on the matter?
people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
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manojcitc said:
people buy galaxy series for amoled screen so i dont think samsung ever going to stop making them..and as per anandtech review of htc one x display make is sony...
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Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.
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Alright, first of all, it's not amoled's problem. it is the pentile technology. it lowers the screen res because it shares sub pixels. However, the galaxy s ii uses AMOLED PLUS, the PLUS means it's like LCD, uses RGB layout, with superb colour contrast along with high res graphics, no pentile ruining the details. so just be patient until AMOLED HD PLUS comes out. It will have: High Res, No pentile, High Contrast. Believe me, it will be 100x better than the One X.
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But this doesn't sort out (mainly):
-Unnatural colours which need severe and constant attention as individual OLED lifetimes progress
-Strong possibility of burn in and an effectively similar effect (due to OLED lifetimes as above)
-Generally weak outdoors
I'm not sold on either path for the long term, but there is no denying LCDs in the current day have blown past practically all of their disadvantages. The only benefit i see of OLED technology in the foreseeable future is the ability to produce a "true" black (and lower power consumption as a result). While this is an awesome benefit, there is more far bad than good beyond this.
I'm unsure how far engineering can take OLEDs though. If we're hitting the peak of the bell curve i'd have to agree with the OP. Otherwise, competition and choice is good.
After using a samoled screen I could NEVER go back to the washed out colors of a standard led. I have yet to see any type of burn in on my screen. 90% of it's life will be with screen off anyway so really who cares.
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Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....
This tech of display was a junk which has used on benq-Siemens mobile phone five years ago.
However, Samsung bought this from someone who develop this screen and keeping develop until now. The problems still don't fix:thumbdown::thumbdown:
In my eyes, Samoled looks really gorgeous and can't live without it. But that's just my opinion.
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Go to att store and look at the HTC one x screen. Come back and report that it screen is washed out....
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No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.
Heck even the nexus S i9023 has such a great LCD in my opinion. The colors are more saturated than an iphone 4 but not so much as SAMOLED which in my opinion is the best balance. It's also so visibly sharper and much better whites. If nexus S had retina pixel density then the SC-LCD could match the one X to be honest.
The advantages of SAMOLED are,
Pure blacks
Fastest response time
A smaller footprint which helps in making phones lighter and thinner
Now to me only the first one is a major advantage. But is it worth all the problems? I really dont think so.
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My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex
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Yes exactly when I first used the gnexus I thought it's going to blow away the display on my nexus S but it really didnt. I preferred the colors on nexus S and it was also visibly brighter at full brightness.
The gnexus does destroy it in black level but then the nexus S LCD does the same to the gnexus when you compare whites, they were simply horrible on the gnexus. I am really surprised google went with a white background in the messaging app, it not only looks bad on the gnexus but would kill battery as well.
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No need to go that far, the i9023's SC-LCD is a stunning looking display. My Nexus S easily stands its ground next to my brothers new GNex (which happily doesn't have strong yellow/green tints stock, which makes me like his more than most OLEDs). Considering that it is close, the only benefit his has is definitely the black contrast (big benefit no doubt). Nothing else is particularly noteworthy above the other.
But i can leave my screen on all day knowing it will be just as pretty as always.
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Here in the states it is rare to see people with a nexus period. Most that you do see are the sprints. Chances of a 9023 are basically nil.
But yeah if you know someone with a phone that has a good LCD check it out. Or just go down to the store and look. Better yet wait till sprint stores in the us put its version on HTC one x on display. Use that side by side with gnex
That last part was to the person that said LCD sucks. Not harbb
I find it really interesting that most of the people commenting in the thread seem to prefer LCD, but the poll dominates for SAMOLED.
Good point albundy, and i know what you were saying I've never actually seen an i9020A/T/4G myself so i can't compare them to the GNex and i can't remember the last time i saw an SGS around here.
As the poll is worded quite nicely, i think i'll actually vote for once. Too many polls are black and white, nicely played Gambler.
edit: Polls are just that, polls. Just as many people said cpuidle saved more battery than deep idle (i think for quite a while it was more in favor of cpuidle). Look at how that turned out
Back when I would edit photos on my nexus. I really wanted the exact right shade for my eyes on the picture.
Well after I edited the photo on my nexus, upload it to Book it was diffdnt
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Guys, I had a Nexus S i9023 (LCD), and my dad has a i9020T (samoled), and all i can say is that I wish I had his phone... the colors look MUCH MUCH MUCH nicer on a Samoled man!!!!!!!
Coming from a G2, the colors on the NS look much nicer. My phone has a minor blue line where the status bar is, but you really can't see it unless you concentrate on that area. The only reason I saw it was because of some friggin' super white background on some webpage
even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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Shark_On_Land said:
even if they look nicer they are still fake.
fake is not cool.
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Go f*ck your iphone
Ps : sarcasm
Heh. Maybe. I enjoy looking at them. Had I been serious about taking photos, I'd probably get an actual camera.