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Just wondering that the process is for future updates from Sprint/HTC on our rooted phones? If we update do we lose root access? Do the updates have to be hacked first?
On a side note it was just posted that an update is very close in the Sprint Hero forum.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/24346?tstart=0
Most likely the new updates will fix the vulnerability that gave us root...then we'll be like the GSM Hero brothers and sisters and have to downgrade to root and use a custom ROM to get the new features.
Now I say "most likely" because they might do it in such a way to not break root access, but there's no guarantee.
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Most likely the new updates will fix the vulnerability that gave us root...then we'll be like the GSM Hero brothers and sisters and have to downgrade to root and use a custom ROM to get the new features.
Now I say "most likely" because they might do it in such a way to not break root access, but there's no guarantee.
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Most likely is correct. Here's the thing though. All we need to do is a get a dump of the rom when the update is released and we can package it in such a way as to not lose root. But whatever you do, do not update your phone. Now, usually OTAs are automatic so I removed any apks in the system directory that has to do with update. I don't know if that will help or not but it didnt hurt me yet.
Interesting, had no idea that OTA updates were automatic. What other apk's did you delete beyond Sprint_App_Updater? (I actually left that one alone for updating the voicemail...might just rm to be safe.)
chuckhriczko said:
Most likely is correct. Here's the thing though. All we need to do is a get a dump of the rom when the update is released and we can package it in such a way as to not lose root. But whatever you do, do not update your phone. Now, usually OTAs are automatic so I removed any apks in the system directory that has to do with update. I don't know if that will help or not but it didnt hurt me yet.
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That's interesting. With so many people complaining about OTA updates, it is actually more beneficial for us to be able to download and do manual updates. I would hope that Sprint gives us the option to decline an OTA update, last I heard they were holding off on them because of the legal implications that might arise if somebody needs to access their phone in an emergency situation and the phone is updating
Assuming it's OTA and automatic - is there still usually user-intervention involved? IE, will the phone pop up a 'yo dawg, we herd you like updates, so we got you some updates for your updates' with a nice little cancel button? Or will it be more like 'updating phone now, you lose!'?
It's probably a moot question since nobody's seen it happen on this phone yet, but I have to imagine it'll be similar to other OTA's on previous androids.
You can turn on and off what you want OTA to do
Settings >> Security >> Firmware Download
cicada said:
Assuming it's OTA and automatic - is there still usually user-intervention involved? IE, will the phone pop up a 'yo dawg, we herd you like updates, so we got you some updates for your updates' with a nice little cancel button? Or will it be more like 'updating phone now, you lose!'?
It's probably a moot question since nobody's seen it happen on this phone yet, but I have to imagine it'll be similar to other OTA's on previous androids.
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It will probably be the former...asking you if you'd like to update now. I can't imagine them doing it like they did on the Palm Pre (Update now...or choose later and we'll just operate in the background and force it down your throat later).
This is another good reason to use a custom ROM...most of them disable this (or use their OWN OTA updater that is a bit more polite )
I've been hesitant on the MoDaCo ROM so far as I'd pretty much made the changes I was after already, any idea if MoDaCo has removed the Sprint updaters?
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You can turn on and off what you want OTA to do
Settings >> Security >> Firmware Download
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The obvious always escapes me, thanks for the tip
Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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Yes, I made a typo on the poll.
Probably, assuming I can use one of the 1.5 RUUs to go back.
On another note, I anticipate that once the official 2.1 is released, all of the current 2.1 builds will basically dissolve and, eventually, all future development will be based on the official 2.1 release.
That's just a guess, but I think it's a good one.
Nandroid muthafucka, can you use it?
Using RA to go back to 1.5 and then doing the RUU is the only way I've gotten it to work.
Get an "Error 180" otherwise.
I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.
abcdfv said:
Seems alot of this "everyone will unroot for 2.1" vs. "no one will unroot for 2.1" arguments is going on. Personally, I'd say you'd have to be a fool to unroot for 2.1. Toast has about everything but the camera working, Darch is getting an AOSP built. Even if Sprint DOES release it first, XDA will have custom ROMs up within 24 hours.
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First things first, I think the answer mostly depends on if someone tries it and reports whether they can root again afterwards or not.
If so, I believe many will unroot and upgrade.
If not, I doubt anyone here will do it.
Secondly, Toast's 2.1 build, while great(I use it daily) is not even close to the final 2.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elDD2mxE4ak
^^ Something a bit more like what we will have
Ah crap, I thought you meant you'd keep root.
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I'm assuming that the 2.1 update will overwrite RA the way the 1.5 RUU does.
If it doesn't, then of course restoring a Nandroid directly will be sufficient. If it does, then I'll need to go back to the 1.5 RUU, then root, then apply the backup.
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Potential problem being you may not be able to go back to the 1.5 RUU.
For example, if you flash Sprint's second RUU that was released, you are then unable to flash the original one.
So it may end up being you cannot go back to 1.5. Not sure how likely this is though due to the operating system version change, they may allow you to go back because some users may not like it(for some reason )
No, here at XDA some cool guy will probably make a better ROM based on 2.1
I agree that I will probably wait to see if someone can still root after the update if yes then I will probably go back and update then root again. if not then I will wait for one of the great devs here to release a rom built off the official 2.1 so I can keep root
You'd be a fool to unroot for 2.1. After you unroot, it might take weeks, months, or years to find a new exploit to root again. I say keep root and wait until our awesome devs have a rooted version up
I might unroot, but then again I don't want to wait for a root exploit ...
so I might stay rooted and wait for the devs to come out with a nice suitable ROM ...
I'm gonna wait for an root exploit before locking my phone down again with the 2.1 official. Then i'll probably try the official 2.1, not like it, and go back to an XDA 2.1
I give it about 72 hours before my curiosity gets the better of me, but only if there isn't already a viable 2.1 release here.
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I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.
Powers16 said:
I would unroot for the update, simply because i have so much faith in the dev community. Im sure they will be able to root it again.
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You love the dev community, yet you'll unroot in hopes they'll be able to root it?
Why not just wait for them to put up a custom ROM and keep root? I really doubt it'll take longer than a few hours, maybe a day to put out a fully working ROM
Well, i didnt say i wouldnt give them time either, ill wait about 2 or 3 days for them to make a custom rom, but i am so damn excited about the update i really am feeling like i am getting the short stick with the cdma hero on sprint. honestly the update needs to come asap.
why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.
NOT going to unroot i love the custom roms
toastcfh said:
why would anyone unroot to update? it would only take ten minutes to extract their build and just make an update.zip out of it. u flash it and its as good as sprints ruu. even better because u wont have to worry about root or upgrading to the next android version. lets not forget 2.1 isnt the end of the road for android. as soon as they start releasing updates for it. u can bet they are already working on the next build of android. but yeah i wouldnt unroot for the update. ill just get it, exstact it, make an update zip, and flash that sucker. then go back and tear it apart and start adding all the stuff sprint was to cheap or to dumb to add while removing all the bull they did add. i bet it wont take but an hour before an update.zip hits the forum after sprint releases it.
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I recently aquired the Vibrant and all I have to say is OMG this is a fnatastic phone. it blows my cliq, cliq xt, and g1 out of the water.
Anywho, the one question I have now that my phone is rooted and has the clockworkmod recovery is when the 2.2 update releases around september-ish, will this effect the phone being able to update like it did for the cliq, or will i be able to flash 2.2 from root and just lose root. i would be ok with it at that point because 2.2 takes care of all the issues that i have with 2.1 update1. the only reason i know this is because i have 2.2 on the g1 and its amazing. any thlughts on the matter?
once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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once rooted on this phone, you have to wait for one of the devs to dump a 2.2 flashable rom to get the update. This is why I am gladly waiting to get the ota before considering rooting. I love the phone as it is.
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yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
boodies said:
yeah but I heard that if you just root only, you will be able to get the OTA update as you are still using the stock ROM. But if you are using a modified dev ROM, then yeah it will not auto update.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
ok so its more in line with what the g1 used to do if you didnt go onto a modified rom. with the cliq, even if you root and are on the stock rom, you still cant load the ota update because it fails when you try to load it once downloaded. i dont mind losing root once 2.2 comes out, i just want to make sure i can get it. i was thinking of going back to stock without root, but i'm having some trouble getting the phone in download mode
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Yes this is the case, if all you do is root the phone, you will still get Tmobile updates. You might lose root, but as was pointed out in a similar thread, Samsung doesn't seem to care about locking things up, so you should be able to root again easily.
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Thanks for the input. Has this been the case for any other phone? Where rooting only will still get you OTA updates, or is this a theory?
Thanks~
I stumbled across a page a few days ago, and someone said that if you take the 2.2 update through Sprint, you'll lose your root (I know this part) but he also said you won't be able to root in the future.
Is this true? If so then I'd definitely prefer jumping on a 2.2 ROM and using that instead of receiving the update via Sprint.
I would like to use the Cyro ROM or whatever, but I don't like the idea of not having my FM radio or 4G etc etc.
Just use Fresh 3.0 (based on 2.2) then you can keep all the HTC/Sprint stuff you want.
Any official updates - past, present, and future - will break root. If you are rooted and don't want to lose root, be patient and wait a couple days for the dudes here to put out a rooted ROM without having to wait for a root exploit. When updating to an official ROM there is a likelihood that there will be no root exploit to discover and thus you will be S.O.L. when it comes to regaining root. Patience.
There are currently several 2.2 ROMs based off of the official leak (but it's supposedly not the final build). Look for the rooted ones by netarchy or whoever.
just give it a few more days. the official v2.2 should go out tomorrow. just don't accept the OTA update.
if you are planning on rooting your phone then do not accept any Over The Air updates (yes OTA can jak ur root). the official comes out on 8/3 so give it till the weekend and you should have updated ROMs using the latest greatest. anyone updating to the leaked version 'should' be ok but will prolly be updating again once their ROM gets the official updates. save yourself the stress and wait til the dust settles...unless ur big into the geeking on your EVO...then just make sure your nandroids are good.
Cyanogen will be nice. however, due to that teams philosophy on using opensource code you may not see 4G as fast as you will with some of our other devs (godspeed to madcoders fingers). I'm probably going to load the Fresh 3.0 ROM later this week...once the dust has settled. i miss my 4G.
If you want to keep root, DO NOT download anything from sprint, only download from XDA and the like.
mrono said:
If you want to keep root, DO NOT download anything from sprint, only download from XDA and the like.
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OTA has been known to cause:
Anal Seepage.
Watch.
Right after someone takes it, they are gonna come here wanting root...
If you do OTA, either wait for Root, or SHUT UP!
Don't whine, don't b!tch, and don't say you didn't know!
I am not in hurry to upgrade to 2.2, I don't mind waiting. I've had my phone two weeks and I've barely rooted it and it's still not even setup the way I want it yet because I know I'll be flashing soon anyways.
Looks like Fresh 3.0 will be the way to go, I'll just wait until a bit after the 3rd so I have the final build.
I downloaded the update just so I could have the file I don't want to actually install it. Anyone know where the file is downloaded too so I can pull it off my phone?
Hi guys, I am a new member and know nothing about rooting phone. I just got my mt4g and the bloatapps are very annoying. I'm planning to follow rooting procedure on youtube and apply permanent root. I never root a phone before. Just one question: after rooted, will the phone still able to receive ota updates from tmobile and run normally? I am not going to flash any rom. I am keeping the stock rom but only remove stuff like yahoo, games, apppack, and some other crap that I am absolutely sure not needed on the phone. Thanks in advance guys.
hgtran7 said:
Hi guys, I am a new member and know nothing about rooting phone. I just got my mt4g and the bloatapps are very annoying. I'm planning to follow rooting procedure on youtube and apply permanent root. I never root a phone before. Just one question: after rooted, will the phone still able to receive ota updates from tmobile and run normally? I am not going to flash any rom. I am keeping the stock rom but only remove stuff like yahoo, games, apppack, and some other crap that I am absolutely sure not needed on the phone. Thanks in advance guys.
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Rooted phones may still receive updates via T-Mobile. However if you should install those updates your phone will get messed up. You need to call T-mobile and ask them to push the most current update to your phone, install it. Then root it. And from that point forward do not any install any update.
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Rooted phones may still receive updates via T-Mobile. However if you should install those updates your phone will get messed up. You need to call T-mobile and ask them to push the most current update to your phone, install it. Then root it. And from that point forward do not any install any update.
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i c i was hoping that it will receive updates like before . THanks very much.
By messed up do you mean you would lose root(su) and s=off correct?
Crazydaddy said:
By messed up do you mean you would lose root(su) and s=off correct?
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yes plus alot more damage. it's just best to either update then hack/slash or avoid the update.