Just wondering that the process is for future updates from Sprint/HTC on our rooted phones? If we update do we lose root access? Do the updates have to be hacked first?
On a side note it was just posted that an update is very close in the Sprint Hero forum.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/24346?tstart=0
Most likely the new updates will fix the vulnerability that gave us root...then we'll be like the GSM Hero brothers and sisters and have to downgrade to root and use a custom ROM to get the new features.
Now I say "most likely" because they might do it in such a way to not break root access, but there's no guarantee.
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Most likely the new updates will fix the vulnerability that gave us root...then we'll be like the GSM Hero brothers and sisters and have to downgrade to root and use a custom ROM to get the new features.
Now I say "most likely" because they might do it in such a way to not break root access, but there's no guarantee.
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Most likely is correct. Here's the thing though. All we need to do is a get a dump of the rom when the update is released and we can package it in such a way as to not lose root. But whatever you do, do not update your phone. Now, usually OTAs are automatic so I removed any apks in the system directory that has to do with update. I don't know if that will help or not but it didnt hurt me yet.
Interesting, had no idea that OTA updates were automatic. What other apk's did you delete beyond Sprint_App_Updater? (I actually left that one alone for updating the voicemail...might just rm to be safe.)
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Most likely is correct. Here's the thing though. All we need to do is a get a dump of the rom when the update is released and we can package it in such a way as to not lose root. But whatever you do, do not update your phone. Now, usually OTAs are automatic so I removed any apks in the system directory that has to do with update. I don't know if that will help or not but it didnt hurt me yet.
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That's interesting. With so many people complaining about OTA updates, it is actually more beneficial for us to be able to download and do manual updates. I would hope that Sprint gives us the option to decline an OTA update, last I heard they were holding off on them because of the legal implications that might arise if somebody needs to access their phone in an emergency situation and the phone is updating
Assuming it's OTA and automatic - is there still usually user-intervention involved? IE, will the phone pop up a 'yo dawg, we herd you like updates, so we got you some updates for your updates' with a nice little cancel button? Or will it be more like 'updating phone now, you lose!'?
It's probably a moot question since nobody's seen it happen on this phone yet, but I have to imagine it'll be similar to other OTA's on previous androids.
You can turn on and off what you want OTA to do
Settings >> Security >> Firmware Download
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Assuming it's OTA and automatic - is there still usually user-intervention involved? IE, will the phone pop up a 'yo dawg, we herd you like updates, so we got you some updates for your updates' with a nice little cancel button? Or will it be more like 'updating phone now, you lose!'?
It's probably a moot question since nobody's seen it happen on this phone yet, but I have to imagine it'll be similar to other OTA's on previous androids.
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It will probably be the former...asking you if you'd like to update now. I can't imagine them doing it like they did on the Palm Pre (Update now...or choose later and we'll just operate in the background and force it down your throat later).
This is another good reason to use a custom ROM...most of them disable this (or use their OWN OTA updater that is a bit more polite )
I've been hesitant on the MoDaCo ROM so far as I'd pretty much made the changes I was after already, any idea if MoDaCo has removed the Sprint updaters?
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You can turn on and off what you want OTA to do
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The obvious always escapes me, thanks for the tip
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Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?
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If you have a rooted G1 (reading your sig) wouldn't the answer be self explanatory?
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Did you even read my question?
What does my Sig have to do with my question?
I have a Nexus One and I don't want to miss future updates, such as "Adobe Flash" which is a proprietary app and I don't want to miss out.
If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.
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If you install ROMs, I assumed you would know that you cannot receive OTA updates anymore. Which I'm sure you do. I don't know personally if rooting your phone, and still using the stock system will disable you from receiving OTA updates. So I'm not of use here. Don't know why I posted here myself lol. Thanks for the harshly toned text ._.
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kthanx. I think.
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Will Unlocking + ROOTing my Nexus One prevent me from recieving future OTA updates from Google or no?
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i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?
I am wondering this as well. I installed the bacon addon from cyanogen and don't want to screw myself out of the ota updates.
Thanks.
You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.
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You can't have everything people. Pick one. If you need to revert back, I wrote a tutorial.
Chances are you are going to see the updates here first. You guys should know that already unless you are one of those people that come in here, download an update and leave for a few months and recheck to see if there are any other updates.
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Sorry, I'm not referring to running a custom ROM. I just want to know if i unlock and ROOT but, keep the original ROM, will I still get the OTA updates or no? So, if anyone knows, I'd gratefully appreciate it.
As far as I understand, as long as you're using the stock, signed Nexus One ROM, nothing would change that would prevent you from receiving OTA updates.
I'm not positive.
The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.
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The reason custom ROMs do not get OTA updates is because they have the files for them removed, and in the case of the G1, the partition used for doing those is removed if you have the DangerSPL.
Simply rooting and keeping stock should allow you to OTA update still no problem, but like was already pointed out, the updates will be on here befor they are released OTA, and a good cooked ROM is 10times better than the stock.
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Thank you.
flomid said:
i'm also interested in this question. i would like to root my n1, but i would also like to receive OTA updates from google. i don't plan on installing a custom ROM, just use stock and root for the purpose of wifi tether and a few other root apps. anyone?
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If you do root and want your wifi to work you have to flash a rom i think, i rooted and didnt plan on flashing a rom but had to to get the wifi working.
did u root with superboot over a modaco, as i had no probs with wifi, after i rooted.
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Why does this matter??????????????
If you rooted, you'd get the OTA updates faster than OTA people!!!!!!!!!!!
I have a 100% stock, un-rooted N1. I didn't get the OTA update within the first day, so I did it manually anyway.
What is the point of fearing that you'll miss out on OTA updates??? With root, that should be your *LAST* concern.
BTW guaranteed you will get Flash sooner with a rooted phone than without!
These threads make no sense whatsoever.
This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
I don't think they can actually push a OTW update.....
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This is not a 2.1 speculation thread, I just thought I'd ask it here with all that knowledge floating around.
WHEN (May 7th?) the 2.1 update is OFFICIALLY dropped, will rooted users be pushed the update? Or will it only go out to models registered as running 1.56.
ASSUMING one might want to upgrade and that push comes, you guys think updating might cause any harm to the phone? I'm thinking 1.56RUU..
I don't think I will partake in the official release, I can't imagine it being any better then what I have now, and what will come after that official release is dropped, however I have had this question for a while. So what do you guys think?
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other potential nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found. This fully depends on whether old method is patched.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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It is not going to be OTA. It will not matter if you are running custom whatever or stock.
If you run the ruu.exe it will load the official 2.1 release on your phone. The only reason it may not work would be if you ran the 2.1 test ruu.exe and for some reason the official release's hboot is lower than 1.47.000 (the hboot that came with the test release).
Other nasty side effects you could get with your official release:
No root
Possibly never be able to root again, or at least stuck with no root until a new work around is found.
No custom recovery, no custom roms, no ability to flash .zips from recovery. This goes along with the lack of root.
Inability to run 1.56 ruu ever again due to updated hboot.
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Couldn't have said it better myself! I would just suggest waiting until the cook of your preference updates his to include items from the official release.
And the single most important reason: No nandroid. Having a point in time backup is insanely important to me. If I ever have to return my phone and get a refurb, it's nice to know I've got a nandroid that will get me right back to where I was before I turned in my phone.
It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
I for one will not be updating to it. My phone is working perfectly as is and this would give me no additional functionality so why bother?
As for the whole rooting issue, I wish folks wouldn't be so scared of the new hboot. I used the RUU and I have custom recovery and can flash any ROM I want. Yes, I know the leaked RUU had root already, but I rerooted it properly and installed busybox and all that so I could use the phone how I wanted.
Anyway, sorry to get sidetracked there, my comment about being so scared of the new hboot is simply this...There is no way the new version will not be rooted sooner or later. Obviously Sprint and HTC would like us to not be able to root any phones but someone always finds a way. There is no way that the new firmware will not be rooted sooner or later. Just like how the Evo will get rooted, as will any newer phone released after it. It is inevitable that someone will figure it out especially with all the talented and experienced folks here working on it as soon as it's released.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't we be able to simply use an older RUU (1.52, etc) to get the phone rootable again?
My intention was going to be to try out the new stock RUU for a bit, then re-flash with an older RUU, get root and RA recovery back on, then go back to Fresh Toast. Will this not be possible?
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Not possible if the Hboot updates, which it probably will. Those here who tried the test leak 2.1 ruu.exe were unable to run the 1.56 ruu after.
There is an alternative to restore everything except the hboot from the 1.56 ruu here, but you cannot simply run the .exe. This method won't work if the official build has patched the ability to gain root (you won't be able to nandroid). In that case you will be stuck with official 2.1 only.
BTW, speaking from experience with the test build, ruu, hboot, etc.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one. So you are correct, my assumption is that we will find a root for it one day. BUT I do think that if the EVO drops soon after, all of the talent that can find one will be on it. Then again, some people are of the mind set "Leave no device un hacked" and it would bother people if they knew we didn't have root LOL
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
Good to know, would've been awful to have to wait for new root hack just because I tried the new and shiny!
Guess I will sit back and wait for dev magic before I jump the gun.
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Open source is never a disadvantage. Ever.
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Mater of semantics, politics, and Ideaologies.
Google has a half belief here, they like open, but they protect that damn search algorithim like its a sacred scripture - Last count I think 8 people on earth knew exactly how it worked.
So the disadvantage to google would be ungodly competition if it was released. Proprietary stuff is a win if you look for profits. Again...depends on which side of the spectrum you are on. Points can be argued either way.
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It won't be OTA as I have read in more than one place that Sprint limits OTA updates to 9MB. Since this will be close to or over 100MB it's going to be OTW.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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I think the OP is asking about an OTA 'notification' that the official update is available. If so then yes, everyone with a Hero will get a text message regardless of what rom we have installed.
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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THAT BETTER NOT COUNT AGAINST MY TEXT LIMIT!!!!
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ROFL. . . you don't have unlimited text?
lol I would hope having a hero you would have unlimited data and texts
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yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
yeah, but I still keep track of them. Habitual addiction to knowing everything LOL.
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lol! that's great.. ever since sprint gave us that free mobile to mobile in any network I do not bother checking minutes or texts. unless my bill changes.
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One big disadvantage/advantage in our case, is that Linux is open source. Anyone who wants to find a root exploit, and is smart enough has the ability to find out where there is potential code to allow for one.
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Why is it that people still think open source means insecure? I don't claim to know how previous rooting techniques exploit Android, but I do know that 2 Linux distros have a higher government security rating than any other operating system. I assume most weaknesses in android have to do with the recovery and/or update code, which has nothing to do with Linux.
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It IS when HTC bogards it from us and hordes it like cookie monster does cookies. I thought open source meant OPEN SOURCE. Ahh, who knows i probably misunderstood the whole concept
Newbie question - I had installed unRevoked last week on my stock EVO to try out the wi-fi tether app. My device does not seem to have recieved the update today. Shouldn't I be able to force it through Settings --> System Updates --> HTC Software update ??
Or does the fact that I have unRevoked block it?
I tried uninstalling unRevoked, but it still looks like I can't force the update?
Any ideas?
You will loose root if you apply it.
https://twitter.com/unrevoked
Worse yet if you accidentally apply twice you brick your phone.
Can't get the update?
Thanks - I was less worried about not being able to unRevoke - what has me worried is I can't seem to force the update and I haven't gotten any message that it's available?
I think it is a rollout update. Wait it out.
a question
I've been following the 'how to gain root access after OTA' thread and have a question, but they don't want people posting anything not DIRECTLY RELATED to hacking after OTA there anymore. So, I will try this question here. Here goes :
I have NOT done the 1.47.651 June 29 OTA update, I keep refusing it. My Evo is essentially stock (no rooting, no unrevoked, etc. ) I would like to know if I can run unrevoked since I haven't done the OTA. also, would like to know if I can do the OTA and STILL run unrevoked. Or do I need unrevoked2?
I've been to unrevoked Twitter page and unrevoked docu.wiki and see some information, (but not enough for someone new to Android like myself), and no way to ask/post questions directly. So, I am trying here. My main interest isn't even so much root, it's that I want to be able to tether via USB without having to use extra software like PDAnet.
Any help or a point in the right direction, much thanks.
Scott
scottspa74 said:
I would like to know if I can run unrevoked since I haven't done the OTA.
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Yes.
scottspa74 said:
also, would like to know if I can do the OTA and STILL run unrevoked.
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No.
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Or do I need unrevoked2?
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You need to use unrevoked2 and use their modified OTA which will give you the benefits and maintain root. If you install the official OTA at any point, you will lose the ability to root, period (until someone figures out a new way to do it )
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Yes.
No.
You need to use unrevoked2 and use their modified OTA which will give you the benefits and maintain root. If you install the official OTA at any point, you will lose the ability to root, period (until someone figures out a new way to do it )
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Thank you. You even broke it into separate questions. last clarification, I promise: with no OTA I CAN use unrevoked1 and that doesn't break 4G/not what's being blamed for breaking 4G?
I'm not too concerned with most of the root features, I just wanna be able to tether, so I'm thinking unrevoked1 would be good enough for me, (if It's not what's responsible for breaking 4G on non-updated devices)
Thanks again.
The update is now ready. Downloading now!!
Yep! Its official.
me too me too i'm installing it!
its prolly the same as the manual update
It has a different build number.
My wifes phone that isn't rooted picked up the update but my rooted phone won't. Did they find a way to keep rooted users from getting the update?
If you're rooted, or want to root in the future, DO NOT INSTALL THIS UPDATE.
When people say it removes root, that is an understatement. It also PREVENTS ROOT in the future!
Until someone hacks the release to re-allow root, you won't be able to root it ever. That is of course, assuming that it can even be done.
So unless you never want to root, avoid it.
If you installed the "pre-release" version don't install this either, I believe HTC is working on a fix for those who applied the update from last Friday.
Just wanted to say I have the manual update, tried to reset with RUU, and it failed, rebooting it back to my home screen...........****
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If you're rooted, or want to root in the future, DO NOT INSTALL THIS UPDATE.
When people say it removes root, that is an understatement. It also PREVENTS ROOT in the future!
Until someone hacks the release to re-allow root, you won't be able to root it ever. That is of course, assuming that it can even be done.
So unless you never want to root, avoid it.
If you installed the "pre-release" version don't install this either, I believe HTC is working on a fix for those who applied the update from last Friday.
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Excuse me, never? You can't be serious...
Plancy said:
Excuse me, never? You can't be serious...
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until they come out with a new root for this OTA
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until they come out with a new root for this OTA
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The way he says it this OTA update will *** you for life if you ever want to root, it can't be that bad waiting for a new method right?
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The way he says it this OTA update will *** you for life if you ever want to root, it can't be that bad waiting for a new method right?
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yeah if your a patient person lol
We all know that the new update will come soon.
But does everyone know that it looks like with the new update we won't be allowed to flash back to older versions of the software. We won't be able to downgrade to a previous version it seems, due to journaling being enabled. We will lose functionality.
Does anybody know what this would mean for rooting and mods?
Is this something that we would have to be concerned about?
Speaking in purely speculation here, wouldn't it be beneficial to at least try the previous "retain root" strategy? It's possibly, though incredibly unlikely, that they haven't fixed that loophole yet. Might as well also try Gingerbreak on it too.
In the long run though, someone will eventually crack it it. It's inevitable really. And with Motorola claiming that the bootloader will be unlocked later this year, perhaps patience is really what we all need.
Gingerbreak should work fine because its not a logic crack such as psneuter its an overflow crack. Retain root should also work but Im not sure about that.
A good rule of thumb is to let others who are either developers or brave souls update and report back what can and can't be done after an update. If you want to retain what freedom you have with your Atrix to date, do not update until official word comes from enlightened.
Dont worry the minute the new update rolls out, im going to try to root it using gingerbreak
Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
Fresh start so we don't bash the new update caused by a third party app or mod, good luck
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Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
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There is an screenshot app that doesn't need root - screen grabber - on the forum and in the market.
As for SBF before an update - based on past experience, you have to. The udpate will fail with the yellow triangle if you don't.
DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
I'm aware of the conditions. They'll either crack it eventually or I can just wait for the bootloader unlock. I don't need root. Losing Amazon would be annoying though.
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DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
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This is actually my biggest concern...
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