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This is a question that has probably been asked before, but I did use the search function and I couldn't really find anything. Now that I've made that clear...
I've always thought that whenever Haykuro's builds say that you're connected on HSPDA, and display 'H' in notifications, it is the same thing as being connected over UTMS on any other build, and the notifications bar displaying '3G'. However, after reading a post in another thread, where someone had said that they were getting much faster download speeds in Haykuro's build than in JF's, and that they had actually run speed tests to confirm it, I'm no longer sure. Does anyone actually know if HSPDA in Haykuro's builds means the same thing as 'UTMS' in JF's builds, and if they are not, why we cannot get HSPDA in JF's builds, but we can only get HSPDA in Haykuro's builds?
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HSPDA=3G+
UTMS=3G
JF 3G = HSPDA/UTMS no distinction
HTC builds "H" = HSPDA
.... as mentioned before
This is not what I meant. I know that HSDPA is faster that UTMS, and I know what HSDPA is, but in that case, why should people not get HSDPA with Haykuro's builds only? Whenever I use Haykuro's build, I have HSDPA. Whenever I use a JF build, I have UTMS. Why?
OK:
The way I see it, TMO USA doesn't actively market a "HSDPA" network. They market it as 3G. This either is to be less-confusing (less 'buzzwords' to market) or less prone to cause uproar when people realize TMOs' network backhaul (the data path between cell towers and the TMO network for both voice and data) is not currently able to give users speeds as fast as HSDPA implies.
It is also true that currently their 3G network is HSDPA enabled, but due to backhaul limitations the full speed the network is capable of (7.2mbit in hardware, likely 1.8mbit in the cellsite radio software currently which with new licenses or firmware would be scalable to 7.2mbit) currently cannot be attained.
In the Denver metro, both HSDPA and HSUPA are enabled but the T1 (1.544 mbit) backhauls each cell-site has give me MAXIMUM 900kbit/s (0.9mbit) downloads and 300kbit/s (0.3mbit) uploads regardless of where or how I test. Consider that EDGE takes approximately 200kbit/s, and each voice call requires 13kbit/s plus some overhead. If a cell site is overloaded on voice, the data services will slow down. EDGE slows down because the same radio channels are used for both voice and data; more voice calls mean less datarate is possible. 3G will slow down due to sheer loading of the backhaul link.
As soon as TMO gets newer backhauls, either new fiber to cellsites, or perhaps a backhaul agreement with local cable providers, or even wireless (point-to-point microwave) backhauls to a centralized high-speed hub, I feel they will promote their HSDPA network much more like AT&T does now.
So to sum up: The only reason you see 3G with TMO sourced firmwares, is that they don't market HSDPA even if their network is technically capable of it. HTC however writes generic firmware and indeed many other operators worldwide will likely actively market HSDPA. I bet that if you were to take the firmwares apart, graphic by graphic / text string by text string, TMO builds will contain the same graphic twice (3g) and the same text twice (UMTS) whereas HTC builds will contain different text/graphics in each. There is nothing preventing the phone from utilizing the highest speed possible from the network on either build!
My slightly-more-than $0.02.
It was me who reported that.
I tested it on O2 Germany, no HSDPA with JF, but with Haykuros 6.0r1 and now with the leaked HTC Hero ROM too.
Seems like it does only work for me on HTC Builds..
maxisma said:
It was me who reported that.
I tested it on O2 Germany, no HSDPA with JF, but with Haykuros 6.0r1 and now with the leaked HTC Hero ROM too.
Seems like it does only work for me on HTC Builds..
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Hmm, the libhtc_ril.so is different on the Sapphire builds. Try pushing this file from /system/lib to a JF-based build and see how it goes I'll do some testing tonight too.
dixxa said:
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oh snap, when did they change the definition of Troll?
I know I did get around 3-4mbps on JF's 1.5 while tethering using anetshare. So basically, it was running on HSDPA but the icon was '3G' and not the 'H' icon as in haykuros roms. So I guess it doesn't matter.
cyanogen said:
Hmm, the libhtc_ril.so is different on the Sapphire builds. Try pushing this file from /system/lib to a JF-based build and see how it goes I'll do some testing tonight too.
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Hey, Good idea cyanogen. I have been wondering if we could get the T-Mobile/JF builds to display "H" when in HSDPA and "3G" when in UMTS. If you figure out anything that works, maybe this thread could be moved to the Development channel, or a new thread opened up there. If I can help, please let me know. Thank You! )
yeah, it's the same speed either way. I've tried speed tests on both various builds. I'd love to be able to enable the H icon so when I'd know when I'm in UMTS or HSPDA/HSUPA like when I used H build. It was pretty useful. I hope cyanogen can figure it out. I tried last week but couldn't figure out which file I was missing although I had all network icons loaded in my ROM.
abdulla1 said:
I know I did get around 3-4mbps on JF's 1.5 while tethering using anetshare. So basically, it was running on HSDPA but the icon was '3G' and not the 'H' icon as in haykuros roms. So I guess it doesn't matter.
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Bingo. The actual speed is the same, it's just the status icon that is different.
mannyb said:
Bingo. The actual speed is the same, it's just the status icon that is different.
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In Texas here, I get different speeds in different areas. sometimes around 300k and sometimes around 900k. Which means that HSDPA has not been rolled out in all areas, or some towers only have one T1 line and it is pretty overloaded.
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Hmm, the libhtc_ril.so is different on the Sapphire builds. Try pushing this file from /system/lib to a JF-based build and see how it goes I'll do some testing tonight too.
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It could mean something or it could mean nothing at all. Also, does the difference in the build.prop values carry any significance?
Code:
ADP:
ro.ril.hsxpa=1
ro.ril.gprsclass=10
HTC:
ro.ril.htcmaskw1.bitmask = 4294967295
ro.ril.htcmaskw1 = 800881
In other words, do these values affect the ril and baseband or are the values already hardcoded in the ril and these properties are only for informational purpose?
At this point i'm more inclined to believe speed differences are chalked up to varying levels of bandwidth usage or limitation of the backend bandwidth (i.e. UMTS Node B -> carrier's inet backbone).
btw if one more person suggests that non-HTC builds can't use HSxPA because they don't have a "H" icon, i'll probably go bat**** insane.
kevev said:
In Texas here, I get different speeds in different areas. sometimes around 300k and sometimes around 900k. Which means that HSDPA has not been rolled out in all areas, or some towers only have one T1 line and it is pretty overloaded.
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Yes, but if you're in an area with a poor speed, an icon saying H instead of 3G, or vice versa, won't make a difference. The H is just there as a visual aid in the haykuro builds, it won't make your connection any faster. I do agree it's a useful aid as far as informing the user about the current connection status though.
It's like putting a turbo badge on a car, it won't make the car go any faster, it'll just let you and everyone else know it's a turbo. In the regular builds they, Google, decided to not use the turbo (H) badge even though there's a turbo under the hood.
mannyb said:
Yes, but if you're in an area with a poor speed, an icon saying H instead of 3G, or vice versa, won't make a difference. The H is just there as a visual aid in the haykuro builds, it won't make your connection any faster. I do agree it's a useful aid as far as informing the user about the current connection status though.
It's like putting a turbo badge on a car, it won't make the car go any faster, it'll just let you and everyone else know it's a turbo. In the regular builds they, Google, decided to not use the turbo (H) badge even though there's a turbo under the hood.
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I beleive the concern is that some users would like to know if they are connected utilizing HSDPA or UMTS. I for one would like to know if and when my area is upgraded to HSDPA. Just a feature request, not a rant.
Tested again with jfs 1.51... Checked the Phone Info, it says it is connected with UMTS.. went back to the Hero rom, said it is connected to HSDPA and displazed the H Too.
Mazbe non-HTC builds have problems With o2 germanys hsdpa ?
jashsu said:
It could mean something or it could mean nothing at all. Also, does the difference in the build.prop values carry any significance?
Code:
ADP:
ro.ril.hsxpa=1
ro.ril.gprsclass=10
HTC:
ro.ril.htcmaskw1.bitmask = 4294967295
ro.ril.htcmaskw1 = 800881
In other words, do these values affect the ril and baseband or are the values already hardcoded in the ril and these properties are only for informational purpose?
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I noticed this too. I'm sure it means something. I might try adding these options to my build and see if anything changes.
maxisma said:
Tested again with jfs 1.51... Checked the Phone Info, it says it is connected with UMTS.. went back to the Hero rom, said it is connected to HSDPA and displazed the H Too.
Mazbe non-HTC builds have problems With o2 germanys hsdpa ?
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Did you try it with the new libhtc_ril.so? I included this in my latest build (CM3.2), but I am on T-Mobile so I need someone to test it out.
maxisma said:
Tested again with jfs 1.51... Checked the Phone Info, it says it is connected with UMTS.. went back to the Hero rom, said it is connected to HSDPA and displazed the H Too.
Mazbe non-HTC builds have problems With o2 germanys hsdpa ?
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The important thing is whether the speeds are the same, did you test the speeds again?
Hi,
I dunno if it'll help but few days ago I was playing with a program and was getting this results
Now with Cyanogen's rom 3.2 I get this so a small improvement
and my settings didn't changed
I hope It'll help
I'm on the 3 network in Australia and I find my reception is quite poor.
I understand 3's network coverage isn't as amazing as Telstra or Optus, but it is meant to be strong around the CBD, which mine isnt. Other friends on the network using non-htc handsets have perfect reception in places I don't. This leads me to believe it might be my radio. Even when roaming reception will drop out occasionally.
I have Radio-3.22.20.17. Are there any other Australian 3 users here? What radio are you using? How is your reception? Would a 6.35 radio be better? I've searched XDA, Google, etc and couldn't find decent radio information for the Magic, only found some for the Hero.
Thanks,
Anyone able to help?
i don't know much about the radio side of things, but is there anything else that could be affecting your reception?
do you have a cover on your phone?
does reception improve if it's removed?
have you contacted 3 to see if there might be a fault with your phone?
I have a cover, but reception isn't affected with it on or off. I've also had the phone checked and its fine.
I want to test a new radio/rom to see if it improves but I don't want to go back to Android 1.5 and there are no 100% working 2.1 roms, so I'll have to wait.
Are there any threads similar to this one? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=563757
Hi there,
I'm from Australia as well. I used to use the new radio to be able to flash the cursorsense rom and it works great. Inside my office, most of the time I didnt get any reception at all but with the new radio, it did.
i switched back to the old radio to use another rom though. (at that time, rom for the new radio is not that much). at the moment, my mobile phone is roaming
you might want to try the new radio (I believe this takes more space than the old radio as my internal space just disappeared). however be careful with that, i think it's the error in flashing of radio n spl that can cause you to brick your phone.
lagu805 said:
Hi there,
I'm from Australia as well. I used to use the new radio to be able to flash the cursorsense rom and it works great. Inside my office, most of the time I didnt get any reception at all but with the new radio, it did.
i switched back to the old radio to use another rom though. (at that time, rom for the new radio is not that much). at the moment, my mobile phone is roaming
you might want to try the new radio (I believe this takes more space than the old radio as my internal space just disappeared). however be careful with that, i think it's the error in flashing of radio n spl that can cause you to brick your phone.
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I ended up trying CursorSense. I hate Sense UI so I removed it, but I didn't notice any signal difference. I also ran Before and After speedtests numerous times and averaged them and the new radio was slower for me
so sorry to hear that...
well, at least i finally found someone from australia using magic and a member of xda as well..
I've not used my Magic on 3, but I can relate to your signal issues on their network. The only contract phone I ever had was with them and I regretted it, call drops and poor signal no matter where I was, I used to work in the stock exchange building, you'd think a phone would have awesome signal there but I'd be stuck on 1-2 bars Sorry to say it, but I think you can blame 3, not your phone.
Hi i just brought and HD2 and can not get on 3G and I know I am in the 3G area. I thought by flashing to froyo's build it will work, but I am still having the same problem. I checked and made sure it is not in 2g mode either.
anybody have an ideal on whatis going on?
A OS ROM flash/Android build wouldn't really change your 2G/3G connectivity... unless it has a radio packaged with it. (HD2 compatible Android builds do not come with radios)
I would suggest going to the Radio thread and trying a different one, see if that works better for you.
just make sure it's a x.x.50.x radio!!!!!
(2.12.50.02_2 is the latest... been working really well for me here in the greater Seattle area)
yeah I updated to the latest radio also, same one as you and still nothing
I had similar after flashing to a new ROM, turns out it was defaulting my "Data Connections" to off, which killed out my 3G. soft resets, etc didnt help, took me 2 days to figure it out and finally the guy at the tmobile store who had the exact same problem prior helped me out. Worth checkin if you have something similar.
^^^how do I go about doing this? Where is it under?
iv been searching around and cant seem to find which one is best, most of them cause my data connection to fail for a second or two when i connect to opera or is this another issue and not my radio,
any advice would be great
adamlowry1988 said:
iv been searching around and cant seem to find which one is best, most of them cause my data connection to fail for a second or two when i connect to opera or is this another issue and not my radio,
any advice would be great
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Try the Radio I'm using, it's working pretty well, reception is good, data connection is good, give it a go! But you should really test some out before posting a thread as every reply will be different, it's difficult to say which is the 'best'!
I recently upgraded my radio to 2.15.50.14. Since the upgrade I have noticed an increase in battery life++ and less switching between H/3g/2g. Data connections feel much quicker on HSDPA but this is purely anecdotal as I have no speedtest results to compare.
This is on T-mobile UK.
In my experience a Radio that works really well on one network/Country may not be the best choice on a different network/Country.
It doesn't cost anything to flash a Radio, so experiment away. Read the stickies in the ROMs forum to avoid "Bricking" your HD2.
wizzzard said:
I recently upgraded my radio to 2.15.50.14. Since the upgrade I have noticed an increase in battery life++ and less switching between H/3g/2g. Data connections feel much quicker on HSDPA but this is purely anecdotal as I have no speedtest results to compare.
This is on T-mobile UK.
In my experience a Radio that works really well on one network/Country may not be the best choice on a different network/Country.
It doesn't cost anything to flash a Radio, so experiment away. Read the stickies in the ROMs forum to avoid "Bricking" your HD2.
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Where about do you live? I'm about to try your Radio, to see how it goes
How did you get on radio-wise?
I am on tmobile in the uk.
On recent radios ( not tried every single one of course) I get my signal dropping down to 4 dots where I know I get good signal. I just flashed one of the 2.10.x radios and its definitely dropping down to4 dots alot less but still not how it used to be. I will try others in the morning.
I was wondering if there is a definitive list of the best radio depending on which provider you're with?
Thanks.
Yans.
HD2 - Best radio for UK Tmobile
I know it's been asked a thousand times before, but does anybody have actual experiences on the HD2 with Android running of SD, and being on Tmobile?
I must agree, 2.12.50.02.2 does work amazingly. I tested a lot before agreeing to this one. And android seems to connect straight away with it installed. I had 2.08, 2.09 & 2.10 before & had to constantly switch my network connections from WCDMA/GSM (HSPA/3G/GSM) to WCDMA only (HSPA/3G) and back again while running android. However, 2.12 never had the problem.
best radio for hd2 & UK Tmobile
I think I have to agree. I have tried lots of them, but am going back to 2.10 and 2.12, and out of the two, 2.12 seems the better. I also had to contstantly turn my hsdap on and off and on again to get connections as it dropped often. What kind of donwload speeds do you average?
So, impressions?
I am actually finding that my phone is less likely to find my router now and it seems to get less signal.
I even changed the registry setting to have it run on an "N" network...still des not sem as strong. Maybe I am being overly sensitive.
Maybe I just need to let it settle in?
Anyone else finding this?
(radio 2.15.40.14)
I haven't had any problems with the new radio. If anything, I've been getting better WiFi reception in my house and the call quality is markedly better. How long have you had the new ROM on your phone? Usually it takes 2 to 3 days based on my experience for everything to settle in. Are you running just the new radio or the new 3.14 ROM?
When was the last time you reset your router? When my signal gets a little sketchy, I'll reset my router and the signal will return to it's former glory.
I literally loaded the new ROM last night.
As you note, it does seem to take a few days to have everything settle so...I shall be patient.
I was one of those who had veritably no problems with the phone sinc eI bought it save for the texting lag.
I am excited to see if this all smoothes out.
Spent a couple of hours doing my registry tweaks and what not last night.
disappointed that they did not change the calendar to allow more options to snooze and that I had to change the registry for that.
Other than that, thus far, I see little other change save for what I noted initially.
Im pretty sure the radio rom has nothing to do with WiFi, bluetooth, or GPS for that matter. AFAIK the radio rom only affects the cellular radio/modem in the phone.
d0ug said:
Im pretty sure the radio rom has nothing to do with WiFi, bluetooth, or GPS for that matter. AFAIK the radio rom only affects the cellular radio/modem in the phone.
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I concur... The new radio is working the exact same for me as the stock radio on 2.13.
That statement is actually not entirely true. The radio controls not only the cellular radio and modem, but also the GPS, WiFi, Camera and backlight of all things. TONS of stuff goes through the radio ROM, which is why having the correct one is a must.
ashasaur said:
That statement is actually not entirely true. The radio controls not only the cellular radio and modem, but also the GPS, WiFi, Camera and backlight of all things. TONS of stuff goes through the radio ROM, which is why having the correct one is a must.
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Good to know! Thanks.