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Why is it that whenever someone picks up my phone they say, "its just like an iPhone" or "its an iPhone wannabe" or something along those lines. About the only thing the Evo has in common with the iPhone is a touchscreen and camera. One of my friends said it LOOKS like an iPhone. HOW?? It has red accents, a kickstand and something I think the iPhone lacks, character. Apple has a lock on the smartphone market for the average consumer, and it infuriates me. The Evo is, IMO light years ahead of the iPhone, as is Android as an operating system. iOS4 is just now starting to catch up to Android in terms of necessary features, and is still lacking in other departments.
With the announcement of iPhone 4, the ONLY thing that the iPhone does better is the display (I would still prefer the mammouth Evo screen), the battery (will have to wait for reviews to confirm) and camera. Also, I have to admit that the video editing on the fly capabilities are very slick. The thing that has pissed me off the most is the "revolutionary" video chat feature in the new iPhone. BULL! With the Evo, I can video chat ANYWHERE I want on a dependable network, not only when I'm tied down to a WiFi network.
I just wish people weren't so "OOOH iPhone" like. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes phenomenal products. I'm writing this on a Macbook Pro with my 2 iPods charging next to me. But I think people really limit themselves when it comes to the mobile market. The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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iPhone 4 is another letdown just like iPhone 3GS. I had the iPhone 3G and didn't upgrade to the 3GS because it was not enough to move me. Anyone who says Evo 4G is a iPhone lookalike is a fanboy.
They put the iPhone 4 display against the plain ol' background on a 3GS. How are you going to compare a background that's in grey to a black plain one. A real comparison would be a JB'n iPhone 3GS background with a background of the iPhone 4.
I'm open to new things and I will admit I jumped the on iPhone due to the hype. I soon became really bored with it and the fact that my phone would constantly go into safe mode. JB's iPhones are so unstable as far as crashing.
Honestly, the iPhone got so much attention because apple can afford to market it like a mofo.
They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.
gqstatus0685 said:
They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.
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You should be safe, I've never dropped a call on Sprint. When my Dad is working in NYC, its not even worth making the call. Even at the Indy 500 a couple weeks ago he couldn't complete a call. Nothing about it makes sense, it baffles me.
The developer community is incredibly strong, but even that argument doesn't hold up too well. Most good apps for iPhone have a Android app, or at least something comparable.
It makes sense none of us get it though, it is an Android board. We've seen the light
The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup
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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup
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I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.
Thats the power of Apples advertising. Everyone knows the iPhone. Its so bad that even "tech" people compare every phone to the iPhone.
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I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.
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agreed, though then there's apps that are full screen
op, you're wrong.
iphone vs any other phone (best android phone at the moment) is very relevant. Both phones have a lot in common with each other with some key differences.
Well I did notice that the new iPhone seems to have taken some design cues from HTC, I remember when I first saw the leaked images of the new iPhone the first thing I thought was "hey, that looks like the HD2"
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The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.
The average person is an idiot.
The iphone can be successful used by 5 year olds.
Their success is entirely because if two thing. What it does it does well. KISS.
We all should thank Motorola (although they butchered the Android name).
They got the Android OS out there. They have marketed the Android heavily and I am glad.
But because of them, however, is why people call the Android system "Droid."
I guess the Apple fans can agree to disagree and they have that right. When it come to little touches I would have to give the edge to apple on it. I would have given another thought had it had a larger screen to really take advantage of that resolution. But in the grand scheme of things and Apples marketing process they wanted to be the worlds thinnest phone and claim longer battery life and this might not have been achievable with a 4 inch display. The Samsung galaxy is close at 9.9 mm. They added some perks to their software update and now claim to have made the best multitasking method for the mobile phones. We will have to see about that.
What I don't like it the many unfair claims towards the Evo for battery drain. I have not seen those numbers yet on my phone. So to all the journalist tech bloggers who reviewed the Evo please re-review them or correct your article because I only read a few that said "in all fairness the Apple iPhone 3gs lasted just as long". The battery has been what has hurt the Evo more than the 4G network in the reviews.
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The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.
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I wouldn't go that far, I am pretty sure we have WinMo and PalmOS to thank for Android, considering Google purchased Android Inc. in 2005, back when the iPhone was just rumor and speculation.
EDIT: SEE POST #14.. I'VE ALREADY SWITCHED TO A THUNDERBOLT
So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
The iPhone 4 is definitely an awesome piece of hardware. I say go for it and if you get tired of that come back to android.
You will miss Android keyboards. I'm sure of that!
I've actually been thinking about the same thing. My buddy just got the iPhone 4and it's a nice phone.
Now the Incredible is my 1st smart phone and I've had it since pre-order. I rooted as soon as it became available and have been flashing ever since. I really love Android, but agree with some of the things you've discussed in the OP.
I still have till Christmas before I am eligible for an upgrade, so I have plenty of time to contemplate my decision.
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So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
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My recommendation would be at least to wait for the iPhone 5. There would be no point in downgrading to a smaller screen.
Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.
The only point I would disagree with is the camera/camcorder. My girlfriend has an iPhone 4, and her pictures and video do not turn out nearly as well as those from my Droid Incredible. Removing any subjective analysis, the iPhone only has a 5MP sensor compared to the Incredible's 8MP.
That said, Nokia has put out phones with much better cameras than either.
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I say you go ahead and give it a go. I've played with a few iPhone 4's and they are quality pieces and very smooth. As long as you stay with Verizon, you can always return it within that 30-day period if you are unhappy with it (of course you have topay a restocking fee though).
I just can't get over the fact that everwhere you go you see someone with the same phone. I personally tend to go against the norm. I not very well acquainted with the customization of the iPhones but I have heard it's on par with what we have going with Android.
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Iphone 5 is not due until Fall 2012 or early 2012 at the earliest.
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A leaked Verizon document stated differently. Also that doesn't seem to fit Apple's release patterns? Just saying.
I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.
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more control and customizable options I would go with Android.
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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?
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That is a nice feature; being able to download ROMS and change them as you like I will agree. How much control do you need though? What options do you not have available on the iPhone that you will not live without?
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Yea, I am all for customizations and like I said..I tweaked the heck out of it.. but the downside of constantly customizing is you gotta keep up with revisions, market updates, bugs etc... and pretty soon ...though the pleasure of tweaking is always there.. there is a setback to the user experience.
The one thing that I think (at this point) that I absolutely need is Widgets. Don't have that on an iphone.. and don't know if that is something I can live without.
I also came from IOS (albiet an iPod Touch). The only thing I say it beats android in is text selection. I can do everything in 1/5th the time it took me on iOS. I was VERY skeptical of Android and preferred an iPhone a year ago on Vzw. I was actually WAITING on it. I'm so glad it came this year instead of last. Now, I have absolutely ZERO desire to be sucked back into the problem that is Apple and their godlike stance over their customers.
Take that for what its worth I guess. I also have a Mac and used to love it. But after multiple times of it burning several hours of my weekend for simple things a PC did better and for free, I've become an avid "hater" of Apple (and I don't say that about many companies). They overprice everything, but they know their uses will blindly go and shell out money. Take music downloads -- iTunes may be easier to use than Amazon MP3 (before CloudDrive), but I've saved so much money over the years switching to Amazon. Lets not even go into their overrated hardware or the times where they can provide a feature but don't so they can add it in a year to make just one more money. Our Dinc's may not be top dog anymore, but at least the hardware is good enough to push us into next year and beyond.
Speaking of beyond... I'm thinking about making a security came out of Dinc when I get another phone. hehe
Jacksonroh said:
I switched to Android from iOS and I do agree about the screen, camera and hardware but for me Android doesn't compare to iOS. If I wanted a phone that did as advertised and only that I would choose the iPhone but if I want more control and customizable options I would go with Android. But that's just me, for you the iPhone seems to satisfy.
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I couldn't imagine a life without Android inspite all of my complaints...it'd been a love affair for the past 1 year..I do have an Ipad..which is a giant iphone without the phone...
So I bought a thunderbolt today with my employee discount.
.after swapping contracts with my wife.... for about 150 bucks.. and boy do I love it!.. I thought the display would not be as good as the droid incredible... but trust me it's a lot better...and a 1550 quadrant score out the box! I guess it's time to switch communities.... thanks for everything guys.
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Congrats on the TB! Lucky bastard
kriskmk said:
So I've been an avid follower of android over the past year.. rooting, trying different roms.. doing some adb programming.. coming up with some simple mods etc.. No question that Android is a tinkerer's paradise!
there are a few things that irk me about android in general.. which is not necessarily android's fault.
first and foremost there seems to be an alienation between the device manufacturers and android.. in the sense Android (with it's flavors) is probably the fastest OS to get obsolete by another flavor of itself. We have Sense 3.0 that is coming up in Summer.. Droid Incredible still hasn't seen any gingerbread or sense 2.5 development OFFICIALLY!..
True there are custom roms of the same available.. but it is patchy at best in terms of the whole android experience coming from the manufacturer. We all know the limitations of the Z-roms.. a lot of us are no fans of vanilla android and so on..
Lets face it.. the camera/ 720p recording on iphone 4 is unparalleled (try it first hand to believe it).. not to mention the display is gorgeous albeit smaller.
The OS integration with the hardware is very appealing with the iphone4.
I'm getting a little tired with the constantly changing android environment. I am equally miffed at the fact that many android devices including my Droid Inc are left alone to the user to be developed and enhanced. After a year of trying roms, keeping up with mods, working out bugs, testing etc.. I think my experience as a USER of the device.. is somewhat shadowed.
I'm thinking of making a jump to the Iphone where development is more organized compared to android.
I'm not an apple fan boy.. so please don't bash me if you don't like my post
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When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.
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When I was still a T-Mobile customer, I had the 1st Android powered smartphone, the HTC Dream/G1. Boy did I love that phone. Once I rooted and started flashing I couldn't stop... After the HTC Magic/MyTouch 1.2 came out, I moved to that. The story was no different there. Roms, roms, and more roms. I moved to a BlackBerry for a time after that before finally giving up and leaving Magenta in favor of Big Red. Once there I had the LG Ally, and returned that after it overheated. In exchange I walked away with the OG Droid and loved it! Eventually, I moved to the Inc after acquiring the device through a 3rd party. Once the touch display stopped functioning I got the iPhone 4 out of necessity because the Thunderbolt was delayed, delayed, delayed. I loved my iPhone, the picture/video quality was superb. Facetime was nice, and the games... Geeze I miss Infinity Blade. Anyway, I soon became tired of the OS itself. The lack of customization was rather boring. I found myself spending more money in the Cydia store than Itunes. I was constantly buying themes and whatnot. After a time I could no longer cope without Android. I found the Thunderbolt on Craigslist and traded my used iPhone for the NEW Thunderbolt! I know this was a long post, and I expect to see the classic, "Cool story bro." comments. Long story short, do what makes you happy, make a decision and stick with it. Me? I'm an Android guy through and through.
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Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.
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Cool story broman.
I like a good Android plot-line.
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I figured I'd get at least one. Ha!
In my opinion, stick with the Android. I just had an upgrade from Verizon and I figured what the heck, let me see what all this iPhone hype is all about. Well, after my first full day with the iPhone, the only thing I can find that the iPhone has over my Incredible, is the battery life. Gmail wouldn't push unless I used a workaround, you can't hide the keyboard, no separate volume controls for the ringer, email, and text, there is no back button to go back to an app you may have left, no trackball, no weather widget with clock, I sent a ringtone that I made through MMS and there is no option to save as ringtone,you can't share youtube videos through sms-only through email, and you are tied to stupid iTunes when adding pictures and media. Like I said, the ONLY reason I am keeping this iPhone, is for the battery life. When the Droid commercial says "Droid Does", they are telling the truth. I NEVER came across anything I tried on that phone that didn't do what I needed from it. Again, these are my opinions and I'm sure an iPhone fanboy will argue my points.
As many others, I too have extensive experience using both OSs daily.
Android makes a more usable phone. iOS makes a better tablet.
now i know this will generate all sorts of hubbub, but the iOS 5 notification center looks really awesome. it IS a pretty blatant rip-off of their main competitor (and frankly something THEY would have taken google to court for), but they have some really sweet differences.
i'm hoping something similar shows up in android soon since i will NEVER be switching to ANY iOS device EVER. it just looks like it will be pretty cool. am the only one who thinks this?
Wrong forum.
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dude, like 95% of your posts are negative, troll-esque comments. how about just share your thoughts on the topic? why be 'that guy'? seriously...
I'm pretty sure that once its released, the uneducated hive mind that is apple fans will declare that android stole their notification style.
Steve Jobs will again proclaim it to be innovative and new, and whatever new iphone it will be released in will sell millions.
In all seriousness, I actually like their "new" notification tray- it just looks better than Android IMO.
I do think it looks pretty nice, but thats to be expected from apple. But that was souch a low hit...are they running out of ideas? Hm...
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I'm pretty sure that once its released, the uneducated hive mind that is apple fans will declare that android stole their notification style.
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Ha! i literally thought the same thing.
i also think that having widgets in the drop down is pretty cool too.
I thought it looked pretty awesome.
But I will quote myself from past, present and future and say that I will NEVER buy an Apple device.
Dunno, it's just some hate I've had towards it since the first iPod (so, pretty much when I first realized that company existed)
Never owned an apple product (Don't listen to music and being a gamer wouldn't stand Mac OSX) and never will, apparently.
Linux + Android will keep me company forever.
fliparsenal said:
I'm pretty sure that once its released, the uneducated hive mind that is apple fans will declare that android stole their notification style.
Steve Jobs will again proclaim it to be innovative and new, and whatever new iphone it will be released in will sell millions.
In all seriousness, I actually like their "new" notification tray- it just looks better than Android IMO.
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Yes the isheep will fall in line and proclaim it the greatest invention everrrrrrrrr lol
I had a thread on this very topic... also wrote on my blog that the thing that pissed me off the most about them ripping it off, is that they brought their polish to it, and Google has let it sit stagnant for 3 years... Google really should try to improve the UI more.
This may also help people from moving to phones with custom UI (ala slower updates).
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I had a thread on this very topic... also wrote on my blog that the thing that pissed me off the most about them ripping it off, is that they brought their polish to it, and Google has let it sit stagnant for 3 years... Google really should try to improve the UI more.
This may also help people from moving to phones with custom UI (ala slower updates).
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complteley agree.
2.2 to 2.3 what did google do? a few hardware accelerations and make the icons in the notification green.
yeayyyyyyy gingerbread.
xriderx66 said:
complteley agree.
2.2 to 2.3 what did google do? a few hardware accelerations and make the icons in the notification green.
yeayyyyyyy gingerbread.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt Gingerbread supposed to be a HUGE leap from a UI standpoint? Yay. We received green icons.
fliparsenal said:
I'm pretty sure that once its released, the uneducated hive mind that is apple fans will declare that android stole their notification style.
Steve Jobs will again proclaim it to be innovative and new, and whatever new iphone it will be released in will sell millions.
In all seriousness, I actually like their "new" notification tray- it just looks better than Android IMO.
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This person has all the right ideas lol. I totally agree, and it's almost as if their running out of ideas of their own. I mean seriously, what else can you do to the iPhone? Oh wait rip the camera from WP7 too lol.
Of course, it'll sell millions and all of your little iPhone using friends will brag about how their new 5 year old toy is better than yours.
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Am I the only one who doesn't actually think the iOS 5 notification is worse than Android?
Just look at it this way. If you have CM7 (or Samsung ROMs for that matter) you literally have thousands of options for style and theme of that menu. Yes the stock ones don't look as good as the Apple one but that's why you are on XDA and have hundreds of themes. Some of those themes really go circles around the Apple theme they used. Last I checked, iOS5 also didn't offer you the option of theming that notification center. . . you are stuck with it forever.
As for widgets in the notification bar...quite honestly I can't think that would be a good idea. You put a few widgets and the whole menu is taken....then you have to scroll up and down to see things....which effectively defeats the point of a notification dropdown menu. Yes it's useful if you are in an app...but that's the only place I see it being useful and as far as I remember Android is GREAT at mutitasking. iOS is not and neither does it have widgets...hence why it makes sense for iOS5 to have this feature.
I haven't used straight stock Android in quite a while, so I don't know how much/little the UI changed. My understanding was Google would attempt to improve the mechanics of the OS and if you want something nice you modify it. However I also think it would be silly of Google to put too much time into modifying the UI since they let the manufacturers ruin it any way (depending on your take).
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Am I the only one who doesn't actually think the iOS 5 notification is worse than Android?
Just look at it this way. If you have CM7 (or Samsung ROMs for that matter) you literally have thousands of options for style and theme of that menu. Yes the stock ones don't look as good as the Apple one but that's why you are on XDA and have hundreds of themes. Some of those themes really go circles around the Apple theme they used. Last I checked, iOS5 also didn't offer you the option of theming that notification center. . . you are stuck with it forever.
As for widgets in the notification bar...quite honestly I can't think that would be a good idea. You put a few widgets and the whole menu is taken....then you have to scroll up and down to see things....which effectively defeats the point of a notification dropdown menu. Yes it's useful if you are in an app...but that's the only place I see it being useful and as far as I remember Android is GREAT at mutitasking. iOS is not and neither does it have widgets...hence why it makes sense for iOS5 to have this feature.
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yeah i agree with most of what you said. i was referring more to the functionality of it rather than the look of it. I just love the slide to open feature for facebook, sms, voicemail, etc. maybe i don't have the best facebook or twitter apps, but i rarely get notifications for them (which is more likely a failing of facebook and twitter for having poor push notification implementation and not a shortcoming of android). and also, i like the tiny drop down that will give you a preview of a text or twitter mention (that is similar to the ticker). while in apps that hide the notification bar (i.e. most games and camera apps) i'd just like a heads up that i got a text without having GoSMS halt everything with a popup.
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And correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt Gingerbread supposed to be a HUGE leap from a UI standpoint? Yay. We received green icons.
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No the opposite actually. It was supposed to improve majorly upon the performance. Not the UI, they (Google) stated that there were very few visual differences between froyo and gingerbread.
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bstromberg said:
yeah i agree with most of what you said. i was referring more to the functionality of it rather than the look of it. I just love the slide to open feature for facebook, sms, voicemail, etc. maybe i don't have the best facebook or twitter apps, but i rarely get notifications for them (which is more likely a failing of facebook and twitter for having poor push notification implementation and not a shortcoming of android). and also, i like the tiny drop down that will give you a preview of a text or twitter mention (that is similar to the ticker). while in apps that hide the notification bar (i.e. most games and camera apps) i'd just like a heads up that i got a text without having GoSMS halt everything with a popup.
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You know, I'm sure if we told the GO Developers that, they MIGHT make something similar in the lines of that, I too LOVE popups, but have them disabled because I use fullscreen apps and when i get a text...
DIM
POP UP
PAUSED GAME
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treyvaporizer said:
No the opposite actually. It was supposed to improve majorly upon the performance. Not the UI, they (Google) stated that there were very few visual differences between froyo and gingerbread.
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truth. Wonder what ice cream will bring regarding the UI.
s15274n said:
truth. Wonder what ice cream will bring regarding the UI.
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it's supposed to be their "most ambitious announcement", I can't wait.
I am switching back to iPhone when the iPhone 5 comes out. I really like Android but I am sick of Samsung and not really impressed with HTC or Motorolla.
You tell me...
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I gave credit to the Samsung Galaxy line.
Advertising your website while trying to make people interested with the title... hmmmmmmm
smart.
The brand itself made the iphone successful..
I recommend iphone too to those whoever looking to get a smartphone, especially the ones I think are not really OS/smartphone enthusiasts..
Both android and iphone are great OS'.. It's just much simpler and refined iOS is compared to android.. I think the Galaxy s2 made it right out of all the android smartphones out there..
Thanks to its great specs and incorporation into the OS..
And also... We keep on waiting for the next iteration of android to work right.. We said that about gingerbread then honeycomb.. Lol.. Is honeycomb not that good either?
ios and android are just 2 sides of the same coin.
Android gives the user a more advanced and easily customizable interface as well as open source, minus side is stability and hardware/software compatibilty.
IOS gives you the security of a rock solid stable OS with the comfort of knowing your OS is built around your hardware, thus no incompatibility or unsupported features. downside is closed OS no source info apple controlled market and complete lack of customization.
Android = Mobile Technology Enthusiast
IOS = Business savy person, or parent, people who need to be 100% certain everything works 24/7 (or trend hopping teen)
i have an ipod touch, a galaxy S, I love both
I have an Imac and a self built windows 7 gaming rig, I love both
Mind you these are my opinions and as such yours may differ.
as a person who loves the best of both worlds i use Miui with the Vexillium Project icon set, this gives an iphonish polish and feel with the customization of android that i have grown to love.
Android is more for the tech savvy people, while apple is for people that don't really know much, with the iphone though, you don't get leaks, either your phone is supported, or its old and will forsure never get updates (apple).
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I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.
...j/k I don't live with my Momma but my wife tries to be.
One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.
GreggoryD502 said:
One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.
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MIUI an cyanogen mod
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It is also super easy to remotely brick an Iphone permanently...
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xriderx66 said:
Advertising your website while trying to make people interested with the title... hmmmmmmm
smart.
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Should I post ALL of the (what i consider pointless) threads that you have created?
How many times have I helped you?
My site has no ads and I receive no income.. I am, like always, just trying to help.
I swear XDA runs people away. I've already moved all of my guides to RootzWiki... and I am extremely close from removing myself because of comments like this.
Forgive me for linking to my blog, rather than copying/pasting the entire article.
And yes, I did try and interest people with the Title.. the title is the article's title. Shock Face.
mrrobc97 said:
I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.
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I agree.. Marcelo had an amazing comment. So well in fact he has already written an article for the blog... can't wait to post it... I suppose I will not post it here since some people get offended by it.
GreggoryD502 said:
One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.
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u can use the theme chooser from t-mobile on Gingerbread u cant root iphones and put custom roms on them
s15274n said:
Should I post ALL of the (what i consider pointless) threads that you have created?
How many times have I helped you?
My site has no ads and I receive no income.. I am, like always, just trying to help.
I swear XDA runs people away. I've already moved all of my guides to RootzWiki... and I am extremely close from removing myself because of comments like this.
Forgive me for linking to my blog, rather than copying/pasting the entire article.
And yes, I did try and interest people with the Title.. the title is the article's title. Shock Face.
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hey bro i was joking. i liked your article... i read them when theres a new one.
s15274n said:
I agree.. Marcelo had an amazing comment. So well in fact he has already written an article for the blog... can't wait to post it... I suppose I will not post it here since some people get offended by it.
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You can post it here. I enjoyed the article. It's different if your purpose was to sell something, but even if you had ads, it's not against the rules.
As for the topic:
My wife's sister is an apple iPhone convert to Android with the Galaxy S Vibrant. Observing her everyday dealing with the phone would come to the conclusion that the iPhone is just simpler. She had her iPhone before I met her, so I didn't get to see her initial learning curve into the smartphone arena. She often complained about the Galaxy's constant crashing, slowness, and terrible battery life. (She's the type of person who only charges once every three days). A custom ROM did not make things better, and shouldn't have to as she put it. She loves the Market and all of the nifty apps that she can download. She uses that often. She didn't have many apps on her iPhone.
It makes you think. I've found that a lot of features that I used apps for previously are built right in to the MIUI ROM and negates the use of an external app. I believe that a lot of features should be implemented into the OS, and should not require an external app, or custom ROM to access it. This is something that needs improvement. To me, an intuitive UI isn't only about being pretty, but being complete in the sense that I don't have to customize it in order for it to be fully functional.
iOS has superior apps, a superior user interface, a more battery-friendly design and superior media ecosystem (iTunes Store, etc.).
Even where the same apps exist, the iOS version is most often better.
Also, the build quality of the iPhone is superior to practically every Android device on the market. The only other smartphone I've owned that came close was the HD2 (boy has HTC gone down the ****ter since then?).
I simply can't deal with it because a 3.5" screen isn't enough for me. I need 4" at least on the screen. Anything less is not usable to me as a daily driver.
mrrobc97 said:
I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.
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That's because it is pretty, gleaming, slick, and simple to use.
It's not marketing. Go to an AT&T or Verizon store and look at it.
It's so good, that even Samsung tried their damnest to copy the Look and Feel of it, and Android even borrowed many UI elements from iOS.
Lots of people got Vibrants preciecely because it was a 3GS look-alike with Android on it (skinned to look like iOS) and they didn't want to get AT&T's service to get an iPhone.
gamikzone said:
u can use the theme chooser from t-mobile on Gingerbread u cant root iphones and put custom roms on them
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That's true to an extent. But not every android phone can run GB. So that's not an option for everyone. Plus apple os is pretty slick right out of the box. No need for custom roms.
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In terms of build quality yes and in terms of efficiency their iOS is efficient but there phone is a nightmare for people with big hands which is why I generally see more women own iPhones and more guys own android phones
While this is all true i think google knows this an thats where ice cream sandwich comes in cant wait an gonna be open source so that mean CM8 unlike honeycomb
I currently have a Galaxy S3, but my dad wants a budget phone and he is looking to get the 4S...I have been trying to convince him otherwise and to get this phone, but he WILL NOT budge. He doesnt want an Android because I had multiple problems with my Nexus when I had it, and I am trying to explain to him its because Samsung did a horrible job with the Nexus.
Anyone have any good reviews or things that I can use to persuade my dad against the iPhone.
Phositadc gave an awesome review under this same general forum. Thread titled impressions after 1 day of use.
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To be completely honest and put my Droid bias on hold for a second, I would probably say that the 4S would be a good phone if he is new to smartphones and not very technology oriented. The one thing the iPhones have is simplicity. While I do firmly believe that android is the superior OS for power and utility, I can't deny the "user friendliness" of the iOs. Also, if he has an iPod of some sort and uses iTunes heavily, that would be a sure seller for the 4S for continued Apple nursing.
However, if he has is in any way tech savvy, push him towards the power, personalization, and screen size factors and make him hold and play with the M for a while. The M beats the iPhone 5 even hands-down in these terms, but you need to put down the Apple flavored kool-aid to see it.
At the end of the day, though, it's his cash, he will spend it how he wants so you may just have to accept that. If he starts sitting in line for days for things, however, he may need to be put down since he is obviously a lost cause at that point, lol. Can't save 'em all...
exactly what he just said. your pops has to use the phone not you so he should choose what he feels is good for him. working in IT folks always ask us at work what the "best phone" is and i tel lthem to i prefer android but IOS is a really good choce, esp for less tech savvy users who just want a phone that "works"
ive stopped rooting most friends and families phones because majority of the time it breaks updates, etc. unless they understand (or are willing to learn) how to use CM, etc and do backups and update ROMs on their own.
schwartzman93 said:
Anyone have any good reviews or things that I can use to persuade my dad against the iPhone.
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I don't understand why you don't want your dad to get a phone that he wants. It's true that iPhones are limited/locked down compared with Android phones, but they also have their advantages. He can likely get help from anyone who has an iPhone, because of that consistency. Even though I've owned an original Moto Droid and then switched to an HTC DInc 2, I feel somewhat lost when looking at other Android phones, mostly because of the manufacturer overlays (Sense, TouchWiz, etc.) and other changes that they make.
I tried getting my wife to switch from her Blackberry to Android, but after she tried my Moto Droid she said she hated it. After she tried my DInc 2 she said she hated it and would stay with her Blackberry rather than switch to a smartphone. One day one of her friends showed her an iPhone 4 and guess what? Yep... she wanted one. The UI is simpler and less customizable, but it's also easier to understand and start using quickly. Maybe something similar is going through your dad's head. While there are really good Android phones out there, it's mostly a crap shoot unless you know exactly what you're doing, and getting help, even from another Android phone owner, can also be a crap shoot. The simplicity and consistency of the iPhone is a liability OR a plus, depending on who's looking at it.
I see them as too limiting, and that's why I've purchased and am waiting for my Moto Razr M developer edition.
If you're looking for ease of use, get him a WP phone. Those are way easier to use and much smoother than iOS or Android.
I find Android a lot easier to use than iOS, though. I can never find where anything is on iOS, and it's not intuitive to me at all.
My brother calls iPhone's "Kid Phones". Tell your dad that.
I got my dad to get the Razr M and he loves it
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