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Browsing LAN from PPC

Is it possible to browse my LAN from my XDAII using only my USB cradle? I'm using Resco Explorer. I tried this:
1. Select My Network root directory
2. Selected Map Drive... from the Advanced Toolbar
... to no avail.

Open up internet explorer. Put in the address bar the following \\"computer name or IP of computer" then click on the little go button and waa laa it will work. The go button doesn't say go, but in essence it is the same it is to the right of the address bar.
Mike

As far as I was aware it's not possible to browse network files from an XDA2 unless you use an SDIO wi-fi card, and sure enough I can't get Mikee's suggestion to work. If I type into IE's address bar '\\192.168.1.100' and click Go, that gets replaced with 'file//\\192.168.1.100\' (almost like it's trying to connect for me) but then immediately I get a 'Network path cannot be found' error.
Pity, cos it'd be great to be able to do this. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, Mikee?

You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.

You can partially blame Microsoft for this with their "My network card connects to {work} or {the internet}..." paradigm.
It's one of the most irritating things about the Windows Mobile OS.
Let's suppose you have a Wireless Card or (in my XDAIIi's case) internal Wireless turned on. By default, WinMob2003(&SE) decides arbitarily that your network card connects to the Internet.
This is fine if you are using a Wireless AP hooked up to ADSL at home for your Home LAN as it will just connect via your AP and go straight through to the Internet. However, guess what you have to do to be able to connect to any local machines on your LAN? You guessed it, you have to go into the advanced connection setting and change the "My network card connects to..." to "Work"!! You will then be able to map a drive either using Resco Explorer or even the inbuilt explorer, of any machine that your PPC can "see". Don't forget that permissions etc will need to be setup first though so that you can login to said machine.
That's fine, however, guess what you WON'T be able to do while you have that setting at "Work"? You guessed it, you WON'T be able to connect to the Internet!
I'm afraid it's either one OR the other and NOT both together.
I went through all this wireless bit because it equally applies to when you are simply connected via the cradle using Activesync. In the "Pass-through" settings of AS, you'll find it set to "The Internet" by default and like this, you will not be able to access local machines on the LAN connected via your desktop or a switch/hub. If you change it to "Work", however, you will. Then of course, the same applies as to the wireless setup. With it at "Work" you won't have access to "The Internet" and vice-versa.
I can only guess that the PPC situation is like this because the WinMob2003(&SE) OS does NOT have a FULL network client built into it that behaves as a Windows Desktop PC would. So, basically, it's a cludge.

strange , im using the XDA2s and my wifi settings are set to see internet , but in file explore or rosco file explorer they both see my lan fine in file exlore all i doo is click on the netfolder ickon at the bottom and then enter \\ (then the computer name) eg \\bedroompc this works both for my work network and home
henny

Firstly, my apologies for the double post above. I only pushed the submit button once, honest!
I was actually describing the "standard" way that all of O2's XDA's get setup when they are first turned on from new and that means that usually, under "Connections", "Select Networks" then "Network Management", you will normally see "My ISP" in the top box for progs that automatically connect to the Internet and "My Work Network" in the lower box for progs that automatically connect to a private network and this is where the problem lays.
In hindsight, I wasn't particularly helpful to Tetragrammaton since I didn't provide the actual solution he was looking for simply because I got too wrapped up in bashing the PPC's network client (or lack of a full one anyway...)
The solution is of course to simply make the bottom box equal to the top box (i.e. "My ISP") and immediately this will change the behaviour to that as you so correctly described (being able to connect to the Internet and to a Local LAN machine simultaneously) and will obviate the need to swap the destination of the Network Card settings themselves (which only gives one way connectivity with Wireless anyway).
I'm guessing that your machine is set this way Henny? Which of course will work as you describe.
The only caveat to doing this is that you disable the O2 WAP settings (which are normally configured under the "My Work Network" part) but whether this is a great loss is a moot point. In any case, the lower box in "Network Management" can always be switched back temporarily should you need the WAP settings back.
I hope this has now helped Tetragrammaton to get up and running...

I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...

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I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I would be too.. anyways, thanks a lot y'all for the info.

CPNowell said:
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi

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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.

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CPNowell said:
I should hastely add that my offered solution in the last post still won't allow you to browse LAN machines while connected in the cradle (I've just tried it) so if anyone knows a way to do this, I would be interested...
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I haven't been able to try your suggestion yet, but just so we're clear, you're talking about browsing the files on LAN machines while the XDA2 (not 2i or 2s) is connected via ActiveSync? I think that's what tetragrammaton was asking in the original post. I have a suspicion that this post has been taken over with discussions about browsing the LAN using a wi-fi connection, not ActiveSync... :roll: Of course the XDA2 (which tetragrammaton mentions) doesn't have wi-fi
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True and you are absolutely right on all counts. Browsing LAN machines via activesync using an XDAII in a USB cradle.
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In that case I'm confused . Sorry. If it doesn't work in the cradle, but you're not talking about doing it through a wi-fi connection, what does your solution actually do? Apologies if I'm being a bit thick here - I'm ill with the 'flu.
I'm nervous about starting to mess about with the connections settings on my XDA2 just so that I can browse files on the network - every time I do this I end up screwing them up. I don't understand them at all and usually a hard reset with the auto-config is the only way to get it all working again. :roll:

I'll do a synopsis of this thread so far this evening. Bit tied up at work at the moment. Hope that's ok...

This has been covered many many times. It is impossible as currently set up. The best way to achieve this is to buy Pocket LAN, it works perfectly

I've had a quick look at that but that would be for just Wireless LAN connectivity, right? ...and as has already been pointed out to me (correctly), the original question was not about wireless.

NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.

barney12345 said:
NO!!!! This works through active sync with the xda in the cradle, worked on xda2 and 2i for me. Actually it is a bit of a waste of money as i never use it, though it seemed agreat idea at the time.
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I've googled "Pocket LAN" and came up with a bunch of hits though none of them seem to be the right hit. If Pocket LAN seems to do the trick of accessing a network via the USB cradle only, could you post the link to Pocket LAN? Thanks!

http://www.pocketlance.com/register/index.shtml it says for ce or 2002 but works on 2003 and 2003se.
Hope this helps

You can find it (PocketLAN) here...
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=2825
Contrary to what Barney found, it didn't work at all for my XDAIIi in the cradle. The usual "network path not found" was all it could muster...
Even wirelessly I found it cumbersome and a bit iffy at connecting to machines at times. It does no more than Resco Explorers built-in network stuff. It also seeks to start messing with the device name etc and generally "muscle-in" and take over... Resco Exp does it without fuss, quietly and efficiently. More importantly, it works everytime but I'm afraid even it can't manage to connect to LAN machines through the cradle and AS.
Sorry about no (promised) post last night. Just didn't get the time. I'll try again for later today.

http://www.pocketlance.com/ try this link as well you can get a trial download

Controlling PC over WiFi

Is there a program that allows you to use your Wizard to remotely control your PC over Wifi?
I remember my friend had one on his Universal that allowed him to use bluetooth to control his PC but I don't remember the name. Also, not sure if it was the phone's fault but the picture was slow to refresh. Unfortunately, he's now sold his Universal and said good riddance to anything affiliated with it...
There were a couple of programs that let you use your Wizard as a keyboard input device but do these also let you control mouse and let you see what's going on?

Yes, try this!

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Is there a program that allows you to use your Wizard to remotely control your PC over Wifi?
I remember my friend had one on his Universal that allowed him to use bluetooth to control his PC but I don't remember the name. Also, not sure if it was the phone's fault but the picture was slow to refresh. Unfortunately, he's now sold his Universal and said good riddance to anything affiliated with it...
There were a couple of programs that let you use your Wizard as a keyboard input device but do these also let you control mouse and let you see what's going on?
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there is a terminal services client built in as well...

Thanks for the replies.
Yeah... the in built Terminal Services Client didn't work for me and I guessed that it was just the inbuilt stuff being useless.
Unfortunately the vncviewer doesn't seem to work either. I'm beginning to suspect that there's something wrong with my Wizard or my home WiFi setup in general.
Oh well, time to go fiddlin'

On my device it works perfectly. You can also run the program on your desktop pc to test it.
Can you ping your pocket pc from a desktop pc?

No, I can't ping my Wizard; I tried this first and nothing goes through.
I had thought that my router wasn't letting anything through but I can ping the other computer on my network just fine.
I did try the program but I can't connect to the other computer on my network. I only know the basic home networking stuff so it's probably something to do with my wireless router. Do the ports matter?

The ports don't matter because ping takes place far under the TCP/UDP layer. On my router (fritzbox 7050) there is an option where you must allow that wifi devices may communicate with each other in general. This is the only restriction I can think of if your other computers are hardwired.
However, I can ping my wizard just fine when he's connected to my router. Have you enabled DHCP? If so, try to (disable it and) manually assign an IP to the wizard.

My router (Belkin F5D7633) doesn't have any options to enable or disable communications.
I tried assigning the IP address manually and switching DHCP off and this has allowed pinging but I still can't use either the inbuilt terminal services or the vncviewer.
I think I'm going to give up trying to use my Wizard for this and just stick with a laptop...

Maybe this should be said, but I thought you surely know ....
In order to use the vncviewer program, there has to be a vncserver program running on some machine. try realvnc for example http://www.realvnc.com/.
Install this on a local desktop machine and then try that viewer again.
If you already did that, then sorry :wink:

:lol: Don't be sorry. Actually I already have the free verison of VNC running on all my machines and I have a license for Access Remote PC from a while ago to transfer files when my Windows XP stopped displaying some folders across the network.
I think that's where my problem is: either in my network or in my operating system. I do access my PC from my laptop but I just thought it'd be nice if I could do it from my phone too. Oh well... but thanks for the help though, you've been very thorough :lol:

no problem :wink: the last thing I would try in your case is to open up a general server on your desktop pc with a program like netcat. then grab a telnet application or the internetexplorer on ppc and try to connect there with that. worth a try at least...

How can i use this with macs? Is there another software available?

Touch HD and a macbook?

Does the software that comes with the phone ( on i cdrom or dvd) work on OS X or is it windows only.
thanks

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Does the software that comes with the phone ( on i cdrom or dvd) work on OS X or is it windows only.
thanks
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No it won't run on OS X. I use a Macbook with mine using Missing Sync which works very well for getting your contacts and calendars on the device. Everything else I put on manually or if desperate run VMWare windows emulation and activesync.
Missing Sync is here http://www.markspace.com/.
Hope that helps.

And if there is an .exe file you can run windows on your mac just to run those files (if you cant find the cab).

The best way to sync your HD with Mac is using exchange. You can goto mail2web to get a free account there and follow the instructions there to setup your Active Sync. I am now auto sync with Entourage all the time and it is free

I use syncmate. Works great for me http://mac.eltima.com/sync-mac.html

Says you only get a 30 day free trial on that site (mail2web) for hook up. $14.95 a month, or did i miss something (i hope)

Guys what do you do with .exe files? How do you install them?

Go back to the site and get a cab, or google for one, when you (someone on Windows) installs the program the cab can be copied and kept. Some kind souls post these where Google can find them.

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Go back to the site and get a cab, or google for one, when you (someone on Windows) installs the program the cab can be copied and kept. Some kind souls post these where Google can find them.
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I can see your point!

i have a question....am considering a Macbook Pro, deal breaker would be if Internet Sharing on Touch HD didn't work on the Macbook, i want Macbook for travel and need THD to provide the internet access
so, does it work?

You can set up a portion of your mac to run windows.

you mean dual boot or what? and that's a no on OSX Internet Sharing?
damn

I haven't tried this myself as I haven't needed to run windows but you can try this, its free...
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/virtualbox-running-windows-on-a-mac-for-free-sort-of/

that looks like a messy work around for a very basic thing :/ i'll rather go with Vaio SR then and avoid having to install guest OS just to get online :/
but if someone could tell me what happens when they plug in Touch HD into a Macbook and press Internet Sharing Connect it would be kinda helpful

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that looks like a messy work around for a very basic thing :/ i'll rather go with Vaio SR then and avoid having to install guest OS just to get online :/
but if someone could tell me what happens when they plug in Touch HD into a Macbook and press Internet Sharing Connect it would be kinda helpful
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I don't think it should be a problem at all as long as you set up on the Macbook and HD. I can't try it because I don't use dial up any more. These are the set up dialogues you get when you select Internet Sharing after plugging in USB to the Macbook.

same as on pc, next step is to press that connect at the bottom and laptop should connect to net via TouchHD....it's not dial-up, it's using your 3G data package for net on laptop
on pc i plug it in, get that dialog, press connect and it says "checking usb connection" and then "connected", laptop network icon says "Network: Internet Access" :/

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You can set up a portion of your mac to run windows.
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That's exactly what I do: I have a MacBook Pro with Boot Camp and in the second partition I installed WIndows XP just to do what I can't with OS X.

suisen said:
same as on pc, next step is to press that connect at the bottom and laptop should connect to net via TouchHD....it's not dial-up, it's using your 3G data package for net on laptop
on pc i plug it in, get that dialog, press connect and it says "checking usb connection" and then "connected", laptop network icon says "Network: Internet Access" :/
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Ok yes sorry I don't have a sim card in Blackstone. This is what I got using Diamond 2. I couldn't find the settings on the Mac to connect though. It is time consuming at the moment so will look at it later. I am sure it will work.

Yes it does work and have made connection. You must use Bluetooth and connect to the device from computer first then connect to Internet Sharing. Finding the settings and connecting is a bit fiddly on the computer but it does definitely work. USB does not seem to work at all. Let me know if you need anything else.

no, that was all i needed to know, thanks if BT connection works, it'll do, and it gives me hope i'll be able to convince it to use usb as well
Macbook is supposed to be my second/travel toy, so net access is the only HTC related thing i need....i'm sure i could flash from it if i wanted to, and i don't use WMDC or Activesync anyway so i won't miss that, MS MyPhone is net based and practical :/

Remote Desktop Finally Sorted

Ok so I finally got it going over 3g anyone else managed yet??
anyone no if I can shut-down my pc using Remote Desktop I just get the options to log-of ???

I'm pretty sure you can't shut down normally using remote desktop. You could try setting up a shortcut on the desktop that shuts the pc down, then just double click it when you are done.
(Not sure how you would set that up, but the theory is sound )

Run a DOS prompt (Start, Run, cmd) and type shutdown /? - it will give you a list of shutdown options that can be run either via a DOS prompt, or, as samsamuel suggested, create a shortcut that runs it.

Or just get the task manager up by holding your finger on the task bar

Sorted, cant believe how long it took to get it working from 3g, just sat down today got my head on and bam first time, so i should be able to connect to my pc from someone else's wifi as well right??

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Sorted, cant believe how long it took to get it working from 3g, just sat down today got my head on and bam first time, so i should be able to connect to my pc from someone else's wifi as well right??
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Yeah. Via your data connection and via someone else's Wifi just uses your external IP address, so they're exactly the same (just probably cheaper and faster )

Hey sorry for my ignorance but how did you get it to work. i Tried it over my wifi and my 3g both didn't work. port forwardded 3389. I said to allow other computers even running other versions of winwos to access my windows 7 pc through my computer properties. I used my internal IP address over my wifi 192.168.xxx.xxx and i tried my external ip adress was 172.xxx.xx.xxx. and it just won't work hasn't worked sinc ei got the phone. I love the phone but still it bothers me i can't get this to work anyway got any advice?

Help w/ Remote Desktop

I have tried to do remote desktop on my hd2. when i enter my 192.168.1.*** IP it says: Cannot connect. Likely reasons are: 1.Specified computer does not exist 2. A network error occurred while establishing connection. It does the same w/ my 97.103.***.*** IP. Help me please.

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I have tried to do remote desktop on my hd2. when i enter my 192.168.1.*** IP it says: Cannot connect. Likely reasons are: 1.Specified computer does not exist 2. A network error occurred while establishing connection. It does the same w/ my 97.103.***.*** IP. Help me please.
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Hrmm. Have you managed to connect via remote desktop in the past?
What internal IP addresses are showing on your router? (192.168.1.xxx, need the 1.xxx only)
Did you place your PC that you are connecting to in the DMZ first? (This may solve it)
Did you turn off your PC's firewall and try it then?
Please post back with specific steps you've taken and I'll see if I can help
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Also, please post back with your computer specs (Operating System, Manufacturer, etc).

never used remote desktop before. DMZ didnt work. Left dmz on though. My fire wall has remote desktop as a firewall exception. and what do you mean by : What internal IP addresses are showing on my router?

Oh, i have a compaq presario on windows XP. Also i heard something about doing it though 3G, would that be easier. I have a [email protected] router too

I'm not familiar with the [email protected] setup, sorry.
Since you put your PC in the DMZ, this means you can access your router and the settings. Check for "Connected Devices" or something of the sort. It should list the internal IP addresses of all connected devices.
I don't know how to find it under Windows Mobile, but on Windows you can do a start->run->command and then type in ipconfig in the black box that shows up. Unfortunately this isn't so useful without the same info from your phone...

well there are a bunch of IP's, the one for my phoe though is ...1.112. what else do i need???

Okay, so we can be sure that your phone is connected to your home network.
Have you attempted to setup your computer for using Remote Desktop in the past?
This link goes to a tutorial for setting your PC up.
Also, I run Linux, so I haven't used an XP PC in a while (run Win7 on my other 2) but don't worry. I'll be back in the morning to check the boards and see how you got along. If I can't figure it out, I've got friends (and so do you, now ) that can help us figure it out.

hi there i too had a problem getting it to work 2 actually. first make sure u dont have an AntiVirus with a firewall "Lookout AntiVirus "on your phone. that caused problem #1 second make sure u have gserver installed on your pc, and then add gserver.exe to the exception list in your firewall settings on ur pc. goodluck let me know if get it to work