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Tmobile G1...

I've been doing a lot of research, and reading on the G1 forum, but i was just curious what you guys thought about the new Tmobile G1. It looks like a really slick phone and I'm seriously thinking about ordering it.

I know a lot of people will post the "its awesome" pitch.... but honestly
pros: extremely powerful hardware with a very stable operating system.
cons: the operating system is very new... meaning that there is no real software or rom development out there for it.... meaning no customization. (and currently no real games at all!!!! lol)
conclusion: im happy enough with my wing that i PERSONALLY will stick with it for a while (especially with ttrans new 7.4 rom - great performance and plenty of space).... as soon as some real progress is made in development for android i will buy a G1

I pre-ordered mine 2 hours ago and can't wait to get mine on November 10th.
I have the Wing and love it but I'm the type of person that gets bored really fast. So G1 here I come!

elsucio03 said:
I pre-ordered mine 2 hours ago and can't wait to get mine on November 10th.
I have the Wing and love it but I'm the type of person that gets bored really fast. So G1 here I come!
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Well if your that type of person then you will only be entertained by the G1 for about a week... i've been doing some reseach on it and most of the reviews say that its pretty basic and needs work by developers! the only reason i would get one is the fact that it has the hardware to support 3G..but my location wont have it till next year so im happy with my wing!!

i personally love my wing
i can see my self upgrading to the touch pro instead of the g1
i ilke the innovative look the the g1 but if i get some hand on with it i can see which phone i will go to
i have had a lot of hands on with the touch diamond so i can fix a lot of the issues with the touch pro if i get it

Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.

itslinx said:
Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.
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i think i will i do want to try the g1 but i dont like how limited the 3g coverage is but it does look like a good phone

itslinx said:
Look, I loved my Wing when I had it too. But any one who thinks the G1 won't blow the Wing out of the water is ridiculously stupid. And I don't say that to offend any one either. Do some research. Look at what the phone can do and what they phone will do in the future. People can make applications. That right there says a bunch. Imagine the kind of **** we'll be able to use. Android may be new, but it's gotten great reviews. As time goes on, it will only get better for the G1 and its users. There's a reason they've sold over 1.5 million pre-orders for the G1. Stick with Windows Mobile if you want, lol.
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I just wish I had one so I could actually spend time with it. The fact that it's more or less open source, means there will be a ton of programs and applications once there is time to make them. I think I'll hold off for a bit, but 179 is ridiculously cheap compared to the wing, and has the hardware to smoke, but for the time being, I think I'll just keep moddin my wing and do some more research.

dougstoner said:
I just wish I had one so I could actually spend time with it. The fact that it's more or less open source, means there will be a ton of programs and applications once there is time to make them. I think I'll hold off for a bit, but 179 is ridiculously cheap compared to the wing, and has the hardware to smoke, but for the time being, I think I'll just keep moddin my wing and do some more research.
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amen to that

ilikepu said:
amen to that
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Hey congrats on your 100th post. You are officially a SENIOR member. Glad I could help!

i believe the g1 will b a wonderful fone but wing is an excellent fone.u guys are jumping to the g1 not knowing wat ur getting into ill wait to get one 2nd hand.just my two cents

POOPIE4279 said:
i believe the g1 will b a wonderful fone but wing is an excellent fone.u guys are jumping to the g1 not knowing wat ur getting into ill wait to get one 2nd hand.just my two cents
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Nah, I'm going to wait and do more research and see what programs, roms, and games become available. I think I'll stick with the wing for now, and just mod and flash roms every other week! lol. But, the G1 is only 179 so thats a huge price drop. Either way, I really can't wait to see what becomes available for the G1.

what would be great would be a g1 wm6 port - with fully functional drivers..... i know everyone is talking about getting android on their phone, but just think for a second how nice it would be to get a nice new extremely fast phone for 170 odd dollars and continue using all the software you are familiar with.... and then as soon as application development and customization become mainsteam for android you could always flash back. i know its too much to wish for because of the lack of drivers, but it would be great for me if it ended up happening

zaep0b said:
what would be great would be a g1 wm6 port - with fully functional drivers..... i know everyone is talking about getting android on their phone, but just think for a second how nice it would be to get a nice new extremely fast phone for 170 odd dollars and continue using all the software you are familiar with.... and then as soon as application development and customization become mainsteam for android you could always flash back. i know its too much to wish for because of the lack of drivers, but it would be great for me if it ended up happening
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You know, that would be PERFECT. I'm really not that familiar with the Android o.s., but if they could incorporate it into WM6, then it would be hands down the winner. We could use everything we already use to load applications, etc. Since it's supposed to be open source, maybe somebody will figure out how to do it?!?

G1 vs Wing
This month in PC Magazine (October 2008) Sascha Sagan, the director of new product reviews, said this,"never buy a product in the first few weeks after it comes out. Wait a month. By then... you will be able to tell if something is really worth a buy".
My two cents,
Paul D.

G1 will eventually be better than the wing, just not now. There's alot of holes that need patching up in the os to make it a real competitor to wm. When u compare Android right now to say ttran otp 7.x, Android isn't even in the same league. But give it some time, and maybe Android 2.0, then u'll really start seeing what G1 can do.
Also, this will be a fun phone in regards to xda's developing and hacking community and also to us, the end-user. As people start accessing and examing the innards of Android, who knows what juicy things can be created and imagined. Only issue i see is the stuff they left out, but the os seems to be solid with no real problems experienced. Messaging needs work, with mms being the main problem (can't send gifs or video).

papito2181 said:
G1 will eventually be better than the wing, just not now. There's alot of holes that need patching up in the os to make it a real competitor to wm. When u compare Android right now to say ttran otp 7.x, Android isn't even in the same league. But give it some time, and maybe Android 2.0, then u'll really start seeing what G1 can do.
Also, this will be a fun phone in regards to xda's developing and hacking community and also to us, the end-user. As people start accessing and examing the innards of Android, who knows what juicy things can be created and imagined. Only issue i see is the stuff they left out, but the os seems to be solid with no real problems experienced. Messaging needs work, with mms being the main problem (can't send gifs or video).
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Yeah I agree. Seeing how this phone is really meant to be modified, I can't even imagine the amount of software, roms, mods, etc there will be for this phone. I do think it will take some time, so I believe I will hold off, but I'm pretty excited about it.

dougstoner said:
You know, that would be PERFECT. I'm really not that familiar with the Android o.s., but if they could incorporate it into WM6, then it would be hands down the winner. We could use everything we already use to load applications, etc. Since it's supposed to be open source, maybe somebody will figure out how to do it?!?
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that is exactly what i want. i just want to keep useing windows mobile. it has been around for ever (ce). hopefully someone in the linux community will figure out how to flash it to what ever you want.

I am a G1/Wing owner. I got my G1 2 days ago and i can tell you, i am very happy with the phone so far. I do miss using TTran's OPT and hope they port TouchFlo2D to Android. The Manilla Theme is the best i've seen!
I am also one of those people that would much rather run Linux on my PCs at home, but don't because i am in the IT field so i need to stay current on Windows. Anyhow, I understand people wanting to wait and recommend most do that. I am not usually the type to jump on a product at Version 1 until some updates and public testing has been done. But i am looking forward to Android's growing pains!

I just upgraded to a G1. What I did was, when the G1 presale was announced, I called to say I was going to cancel my service soon and asked what they would offer to keep me. The CS rep asked what I had in mind. I said I wanted the to see if there was a way to get the G1 with 1 a year contract. The CS rep told me not until after the actual launch but she would lower my unlimited family text messaging to $9.99 permanently if I would wait until the launch to decide. I agreed. So today, I called back for the G1. They offered me the G1 for $179 + NO $18 upgrade fee if I agreed to keep my four lines for 1 year. So, that's what I did. I wasn't going to cancel anyway because, it's hard top beat T-Mo's rates, even if the coverage is a little weaker than other carriers in my area. My Wing will likely be up for sale after I evaluate the G1.
Update:
I just canceled my order. I don't want to put $800 on the line to save $300.

Tmobile advice needed please

Im thinking of getting the My touch from Tmobile. I have the TP2 but dont care much for it. I have done some reading here, but would like to get some advice from My Touch owners. Last question, is the Hero Roms working good?

kevinniven said:
Im thinking of getting the My touch from Tmobile. I have the TP2 but dont care much for it. I have done some reading here, but would like to get some advice from My Touch owners. Last question, is the Hero Roms working good?
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as far as using it on the mt? honestly im disappointed with it i never use the touchflo (which is the sense ui look) but i like the htc features so i just use those... sprint will have the real hero coming out this month if you want it that bad but if you dont care about speed and dont mind waiting at least a minute every time you hit the home key for it to load then go for it but its just too slow for me
**i must say i love the size of the mt3g its way slimmer than the tp2 and g1 which was a hugh plus for me and reason i still use it

Samsung Galaxy Lite.
There are 4-5 registered Android devices said to be dropping Q4 of this year for T-Mobile USA.
The MyTouch is fantastic. I have a G1 as a spare for development and testing. However, there will always be a growing trend with "the next best thing."
Keep in mind, there's a lot of this year LEFT to go. Keep your options open...open-source that is! HA!

Reignzone said:
There are 4-5 registered Android devices said to be dropping Q4 of this year for T-Mobile USA.
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i believe its 12-14 by the end of '09 among all the carriers so i must agree with that, theres a lot of the year left

Correct indeed.
pack said:
i believe its 12-14 by the end of '09 among all the carriers so i must agree with that, theres a lot of the year left
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He makes a valid point as well.
It just depends on what you can afford for the various data packages offered by the carriers.
My preference being: T-Mobile USA!
Fantastic service, loyal to them for almost 8 years now. Nothing but positive experiences with them.
Like I said though...the MyTouch is nice, but hold off...it could be worth it.

kevinniven said:
Im thinking of getting the My touch from Tmobile. I have the TP2 but dont care much for it. I have done some reading here, but would like to get some advice from My Touch owners. Last question, is the Hero Roms working good?
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I am using a mytouch and love it. This is my first android phone and I don't think I will ever go back to windows mobile. These phones are more versatile and the interface is whatever you want it to be.
I don't use a hero ROM on it because I have heard too much about it being slow. I will wait for the optimized version to show up before trying that.
I was going to get the TP2 but the cost put me off. I am glad it was too expensive now. Showing off this phone to people at work has made 3 other people get an android phone.

I Dont know that holding off will do you any good.. I have seen the specs for the other droid phone that tmo us is supposed to get this year (well all of whats available) and honestly the mt3g is I think still the best one (assumeing you want a non keyboard slim phone)..
I know there is supposed to be some lower end ones coming out, but if you have the TP2 now I am guessing that doesn't really interest you..

HD2 pricing now that we know there is no upgrade to 7

Do you think prices for the phone will start falling? The phone is essentially a dead end unless the wizards of xda cook something up.

I cannot stand this blabbering about "HD2 as a dead phone". There is NO WP7S to come within the next at least 6 months... AND WP6.5.x seems to go on. HD2 is still THE phone that you have to buy today if you want by far the best Win-Phone. The prices won't suffer some kind of inflation too soon... It hasn't been launched in the US at all and it stays the HTC-flagship until HD3 will be launched in the end of this year.

Well the price for the phone through mobile service providers is already low... I got mine for 79€ and another 24 months commitment.
I don't really see why they'd bring the price down any lower... They never claimed it would be upgradable to WP7 so why should they feel obliged to lower the price?
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.

US phones
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.

Price will come down anyways. It will take some times but you can get them with some carriers for cheaper as other posters have mentioned.
I don't see any relationship between the price and actually the phone not being upgradable to WP7.
It is still too early to see anything.

IF there is a "WP7-related" price fall at some point, it won't be before WP7 devices are actually selling. You've got time ahead.

Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?

it is a dead end NOW, cause developers are ALREADY abandoning wm6.5.x
like adobe, skype and a lot more.

aceo07 said:
Are all the people who keep repeating HD2 is 'dead-end', 'outdated', 'old', 'no wp7 upgrade' looking to buy up some cheap HD2s on ebay?
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good point

I cant wait to flash Android on my phone.
Windows will never make it, people aren't writing that much for it any more.
RIP

moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
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why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.

appoggio said:
why on earth you say such bulls**ts?
Dead end my a$$! There are people all over the world working with their HTC Touch Diamond and WM6.5 with the help of xda's chefs!
You got the most powerfull device on the market and you already say that is dead while WM6.5 was released no more than 6 months ago? Dear friend you're totally OUT! You better buy an Iphone and work with a closed minded, kid oriented operated system istead of the best OS and phone on the market.
The HD2 is the BEST phone on the market today, no questions and I think it will not be reached very soon. Fast, smooth and good looking.
With help of the chefs, this device will last very long.
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then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft

Microsoft confirms lack of backward compatibility in Windows Phone 7
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13936
This obviously killed WinMO 6.5 and below.

moosic said:
It essentially is a dead end product. We don't know if xda's cooks will be able to get 7 going on it. I'd like to buy a phone that will last me a couple of years. The Australian version that works with AT&T here in the US, is still very expensive for us. Almost $1,000. Too much money for me. I can't imagine switching over to t-mobile though.
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I guess you need to buy an iphone if you want software upgrades to newer OS versions. But then again......who knows whether Apple will continue this. After all they always used to shaft ipod users: As soon as a new model was out NO more updates for the previous one!

Frostlance said:
then you are happy u wont get FLASH 10.1 from adobe like the one on android? U are happy that most companies have abandon developing for WinMO 6.5??
no more support from skype and etc etc???
its already a dead end thanx to microsoft
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chefs are here... HD2 got the power to run WP7... so where is the problem?
I bet my a$$ that we'll have cooked ROM with WP7 on our HD2...
HD2 RULZ

yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.

NeoGreendawg said:
Am I the only one who wants to wait and see what WP7 turns out like before even considering using it? I think it looks interesting but I'm far from sure that it will be able to meet my needs as well as the HD2 and WM6.5 does.
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Totally agree. HD2 meets my current and future needs right now until my upgrade next year, only then will i consider what is on the market.

The world is ending??!!
My God! Run! Everyone for themselves!

it is not 100% confirmed now that hd2 will not get update ,they are keeping this suspebnded to never lower any device price

Frostlance said:
yeah...if we are able to port/cook wm7 on our phones,that would be great..if not..then i guess ALL the WM6.5 phones and below are dead end..
I mean before this,newly release winmo still support backward compatibility. In fact my old age dopod 838 pro with WM 5.0 can still run current apps without prob.
damn u MS for making Wp7s backward incompatible, and no multitask (hope it will have multitask, waiting for mix10)
u killed the power of WInMO to make something pretty and brainless.
Im damn pissed and dissapointed about WM7S... haih..
No now flash 10.1..and i they wont even be a latest version of skype on winMO..more and more developers are abandoning WinMO 6.5 NOW.
damn frustated.
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Is there an official statement of any of that from MS themselves? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon and spouting "what I 'eard of't internet"

[QUESTION] HD2, Andriod and Desire

Hey...
It might be a noobish question but I just couldn't find a decent answer:
With the release of the HTC Desire, since its very alike the HD2 hardware-wise, is there any chance of it helping with the release of a working Android ROM for the HD2?
I really want to get rid of WinMo 6.5... I hate it...
Thanks

Has been answered many times before, you should have searched.
Anyway, the answer is no, its not easier. And its not magically going to happen overnight either.
Mods will close this.

Tsury said:
Hey...
It might be a noobish question but I just couldn't find a decent answer:
With the release of the HTC Desire, since its very alike the HD2 hardware-wise, is there any chance of it helping with the release of a working Android ROM for the HD2?
I really want to get rid of WinMo 6.5... I hate it...
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Why did you get a HD2 if you hate WinMo? Return it and get an android phone.

zarathustrax said:
Why did you get a HD2 if you hate WinMo? Return it and get an android phone.
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i dont understand people...
i hate wm, i hate wm,
but yet wm has the coolest hardware available in the states..
"CLEARLY" you didnt understand what i was trying to say...
its like going to buy that new FORD mustang and you realize you HATE FORD but yet your complaining..
so why not just go buy the CHEVY camaro, sense cleary thats more of your liking...
but to my avail its clearly stupid to buy a phone with a OS that you dont like..thats a wast of money

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i dont understand people...
i hate wm, i hate wm,
but yet wm has the coolest hardware available in the states..
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What does having the coolest HW have to do w/the O/S? You might not understand people, but people don't understand you

zarathustrax said:
Why did you get a HD2 if you hate WinMo? Return it and get an android phone.
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The HD2 is my first smartphone, I bought it because the superb hardware... I didn't know Windows Mobile suck that bad and I also suffered from lack of experience...
Apparently hardware is not nearly enough...
Now that there will be no WinMo 7 no one wants to buy it, at least not in a price I think is worthy...
I thought, hey, if there's a chance I can get Android on this device why not look into it...
I truly hope this day will come; for now I am managing with WinMo...

Tsury said:
The HD2 is my first smartphone, I bought it because the superb hardware... I didn't know Windows Mobile suck that bad and I also suffered from lack of experience...
Apparently hardware is not nearly enough...
Now that there will be no WinMo 7 no one wants to buy it, at least not in a price I think is worthy...
I thought, hey, if there's a chance I can get Android on this device why not look into it...
I truly hope this day will come; for now I am managing with WinMo...
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Flash Custom ROM! of course it will suck on stock ROM

Sultan1993 said:
Flash Custom ROM! of course it will suck on stock ROM
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Well :]
I have a bad case of Obsessive-Rom Updating Disorder....
Flashing every little bit NRGZ28 uploads
Currently downloading his Titanium ROM with SPB... Maybe its Sense that I hate so much
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Still... You can just feel how old WinMo is... Everything is so stitched up....

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Well :]
I have a bad case of Obsessive-Rom Updating Disorder....
Flashing every little bit NRGZ28 uploads
Currently downloading his Titanium ROM with SPB... Maybe its Sense that I hate so much
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Still... You can just feel how old WinMo is... Everything is so stitched up....
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Flash CleanEX and you will see that WM can be fast!

It would have taken a short amount of time (30 mins) to go to a store and demo the phone, or research on the internet, read reviews, watch videos, post your questions BEFORE going out and buying the phone and then moaning how much you hate it.
Society now apparently is made up of people who are unable to make decisions for themselves even when the pertinent facts are readily available.

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Flash CleanEX and you will see that WM can be fast!
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Isn't it a little TOO clean?

efjay said:
It would have taken a short amount of time (30 mins) to go to a store and demo the phone, or research on the internet, read reviews, watch videos, post your questions BEFORE going out and buying the phone and then moaning how much you hate it.
Society now apparently is made up of people who are unable to make decisions for themselves even when the pertinent facts are readily available.
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Meh, you think everyone got 'em fancy stores?
I pre-ordered it... Yes, sometimes there's a hype and people get excited and make emotional decisions... I bet you don't go to the store and research everything you buy...
And there's a long way from moaning about stuff to simply asking one question politely..

Tsury said:
Meh, you think everyone got 'em fancy stores?
I pre-ordered it... Yes, sometimes there's a hype and people get excited and make emotional decisions... I bet you don't go to the store and research everything you buy...
And there's a long way from moaning about stuff to simply asking one question politely..
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I actually research most everything I buy... especially expensive things. It pisses my girlfriend off to no end when I sit and compare different brands or features on things and not just make a quick decision.
I was watching and reading about the HD2 for almost 6 months before I finally got it (as it wasn't released in the US until recently). I love Windows Mobile. I find it to be the most versatile, customizable mobile OS and I'm very upset that MS is changing all that when Windows Phone 7 comes.

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I actually research most everything I buy... especially expensive things. It pisses my girlfriend off to no end when I sit and compare different brands or features on things and not just make a quick decision.
I was watching and reading about the HD2 for almost 6 months before I finally got it (as it wasn't released in the US until recently). I love Windows Mobile. I find it to be the most versatile, customizable mobile OS and I'm very upset that MS is changing all that when Windows Phone 7 comes.
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Well, cheers.
I think sometimes too much freedom isn't necessarily a good thing... One can find himself fiddling too much with his phone to an overkill...

efjay said:
It would have taken a short amount of time (30 mins) to go to a store and demo the phone, or research on the internet, read reviews, watch videos, post your questions BEFORE going out and buying the phone and then moaning how much you hate it.
Society now apparently is made up of people who are unable to make decisions for themselves even when the pertinent facts are readily available.
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I wish I could rate you up like the comments on DailyTech!
Anyway, I'm not sure I understand all the WinMo haters. I read these reviews of the HD2 saying how amazing the hardware is, but the OS sucks... Yet they don't give any reasons the OS sucks.
Sure, I can see a year or two ago, back in the 6.0/6.1 days saying it is ugly... Still, what does ugly keep you from doing? Showing your phone off to the other shallow people around you?
Then I hear "OOOoo, the Marketplace sux0rs!" and I wonder to myself, how did ANYONE survive before a "marketplace." Oh yeah, search online and find what you want, I remember now. Do that, and you'll find that WinMo has a HUGE application pool to draw from.
Now it is "Oh it sux cause it is dead thanks to WP7." Sorry, another lame excuse. Why? Because all WP7 does for anyone, is give it a fancy interface, that if you don't like it... Well, MS says screw you!
So to the OP looking for Android on your HD2, give your HD2 away and buy an Android phone, or help port Android over to the HD2. Just don't come bawling your eyes out to a group who has lived and breathed WinMo for years and say you hate it because it sucks. Maybe it sucks because YOU aren't smart enough to figure it out.
This says it best:
"I can't tell you how frustrated I used to get at supposedly smart people who couldn't care less about power features but instead chose the "smartphone for dummies" (iphone). In time I realized it was their choice and that people for the most part don't want to think in fact most people spend their day trying to find ways not to think."

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Society now apparently is made up of people who are unable to make decisions for themselves even when the pertinent facts are readily available.
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"hello, welcome to apple! oh, so your after a phone? come this way..."

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I wish I could rate you up like the comments on DailyTech!
Anyway, I'm not sure I understand all the WinMo haters. I read these reviews of the HD2 saying how amazing the hardware is, but the OS sucks... Yet they don't give any reasons the OS sucks.
Sure, I can see a year or two ago, back in the 6.0/6.1 days saying it is ugly... Still, what does ugly keep you from doing? Showing your phone off to the other shallow people around you?
Then I hear "OOOoo, the Marketplace sux0rs!" and I wonder to myself, how did ANYONE survive before a "marketplace." Oh yeah, search online and find what you want, I remember now. Do that, and you'll find that WinMo has a HUGE application pool to draw from.
Now it is "Oh it sux cause it is dead thanks to WP7." Sorry, another lame excuse. Why? Because all WP7 does for anyone, is give it a fancy interface, that if you don't like it... Well, MS says screw you!
So to the OP looking for Android on your HD2, give your HD2 away and buy an Android phone, or help port Android over to the HD2. Just don't come bawling your eyes out to a group who has lived and breathed WinMo for years and say you hate it because it sucks. Maybe it sucks because YOU aren't smart enough to figure it out.
This says it best:
"I can't tell you how frustrated I used to get at supposedly smart people who couldn't care less about power features but instead chose the "smartphone for dummies" (iphone). In time I realized it was their choice and that people for the most part don't want to think in fact most people spend their day trying to find ways not to think."
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i completely agree..no one can never give a decent recent as to why windows phone sucks..i been using wm for over a year now and i must i enjoy tweaking it..i can make my phone look completely diff in a matter of mins..i got bored of the adroid os and def got bored of the iphone os..wm is awsome

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i completely agree..no one can never give a decent recent as to why windows phone sucks..i been using wm for over a year now and i must i enjoy tweaking it..i can make my phone look completely diff in a matter of mins..i got bored of the adroid os and def got bored of the iphone os..wm is awsome
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Agreed. I've been using WinMo since 2003... before they were all phones and were call pocket pcs. And that's what they are... basicly a pc that fits in your pocket. Now they are even more... they're phones now, too. But people need to remember that they are still pocket pcs and have the same type of learning curve a full pc does. They operate just like windows pcs do.
WinMo was designed as a pocket pc originally, not a phone. Android and iphones, etc were designed to be phones from the beginning. They don't have the same pc functionality like WinMo does. It's a shame that WinMo is nearing the end of it's development life by ms. WP7 is going to be a dumbed down phone now just like the rest.

Should we be thinking of ways to get rid of it?

-No win7 support , although even though our hardware if far supperior to the win 7 devices currently
-horrific support (HTC has to be nobel price winning at sucky support)
-battery life is amazingly bad..some members here report success with alternative chinese batterie types, but come on we paid our bottoms off for the thing we shouldnt have to bleed our eyes out on 3rd party web merchant pages
-its being discussed that we are not even going to get 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 upgrades even though omnia II and toshiba models will(or have dunno)
-millions of buggs that shouldnt be there in the first place
-lack of supported apps
-overpriced marketplace
Such a mixed feeling..I truly and deeply love the device i hold in my palm as i write this..but its like i am holding the hand of a relative in a hospital dieing..is truly HTC gonna give away the future of such a brilliant phone?have we payed 50% more of the value of the competitor's phone(iphone) price and go nowhere (while they get their free os 4 upgrade) ? i feel so decieved..i even got to thinking ways i could cheat for my warranty to get my money back..
-edit : forgot the 250ms sound delay woe issue (one of the reasons we bought this cursed phone was to watch movies in its perfect screen dammit)

You got what you paid for, the hardware is already surpassed by the Evo 4G, in a few months time it will be even farther behind, such is the way of tech. WP7 was never promised, only speculated so that is not a valid argument.
Your other reasons are otherwise sound to varying extents, but at the end of the day this is still a fantastic device, so no, I dont think anyone who bought the device and is happy should be looking for ways to get rid of it. If you dont like it, return it or sell it but it works very well for a large number of us.

So that the fact that they do not even care enough to upgrade it to something as idioticaly as simple as 6.5.3 version (hich like 40 roms in here have) doesnt make u feel they are throwing the phone support (that made me laugh) away?
And no, i do not get what i paid for..i paid nearly 800$ for this..no not even marginaly close to it.

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So that the fact that they do not even care enough to upgrade it to something as idioticaly as simple as 6.5.3 version (hich like 40 roms in here have) doesnt make u feel they are throwing the phone support (that made me laugh) away?
And no, i do not get what i paid for..i paid nearly 800$ for this..no not even marginaly close to it.
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No, I agree totally with your view of HTC support, I actually think they are the worst phone manufacturer among WM OEM's, contrary to what everyone else thinks because they like the eye-candy of Sense, which I think is utter bug-ridden rubbish.
HTC has the HD Mini out now, you would think they would be releasing 6.5.3 updates for all their phones, especially the HD2, but this is typical HTC, once a device is released the normal support life cycle is 6 months, then we are left to our own devices while they work on the next device. In the current climate, HTC is apparently focusing entirely on their android phones, so we WM users are left to look on and lament our lack of updates.
As for getting what you paid for, I guess we will have to disagree, I never expected HTC to provide an update to 6.5.3, knowing their past history and considering they never announced it. I knew I could only count on the OS they shipped the device with, and anything above that would likely come from Xda.
You have a great device there, the hardware is top notch and capable of outstanding performance, just dont look to HTC for any kind of realistic support. Xda is your friend and will give better support and performance enhancements than HTC ever has.

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-No win7 support , although even though our hardware if far supperior to the win 7 devices currently
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Win7 was *never* officially an option, only rumour. Do you buy things due to hearsay? Theres an iPhone for that.
chris2busy said:
-horrific support (HTC has to be nobel price winning at sucky support)
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Never needed this so cannot comment - think of that what you will
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-battery life is amazingly bad..some members here report success with alternative chinese batterie types, but come on we paid our bottoms off for the thing we shouldnt have to bleed our eyes out on 3rd party web merchant pages
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I have the standard battery, it lasts between 1.5 and 3 days. Thats better than my Nokia E90 and my N80 ever was.
Not to mention the fact I have 3 email accounts checking every 15 - 30 minutes, Windows Live (hotmail in the background), at least 30 mins 3G browsing, some light games and texts + calls.
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-its being discussed that we are not even going to get 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 upgrades even though omnia II and toshiba models will(or have dunno)
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"(or have dunno)" proves that you are yet again working on rumour, why not do some research before slagging things off, eh?
Have you actually used 6.5.x? What did you think of it? How much advantage will it give you over 6.5?
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-millions of buggs that shouldnt be there in the first place
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*any* complex system will have bugs, its a given. It needs to support several hundreds of different device configurations, 3rd party applications and different personalised configs. How many bugs does Linux have, for instance?
chris2busy said:
-lack of supported apps
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How many supported apps does the iPhone have in amongst the thousands of crap free ones?
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-overpriced marketplace
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Welcome to Microsoft.
chris2busy said:
Such a mixed feeling..I truly and deeply love the device i hold in my palm as i write this..but its like i am holding the hand of a relative in a hospital dieing..is truly HTC gonna give away the future of such a brilliant phone?have we payed 50% more of the value of the competitor's phone(iphone) price and go nowhere (while they get their free os 4 upgrade) ? i feel so decieved..i even got to thinking ways i could cheat for my warranty to get my money back..
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You seem to be stuck in a mindset which goes against that of technological advancements over the last, say, 50 years.
The computer you buy tomorrow was out of date last week, that surround sound system you've got, that's been surpassed several times since you bought it.
You do realise that the iPhone OS upgrade was to insert features that most phone companies have been producing lines of phones with for almost a decade?
Cut and Paste for instance, was first used (in a computer sense) in a Xerox environment in the 1960s, Apple's iPhone was announced in 2007. It didn't support it until an OS upgrade. The first Windows PocketPCs in the mid/late nineties had it as standard.
The iPhone's hardware is 50% of the capacity of the HD2, maybe you did get what you paid for?

Ur point seems truly valid, but dammit thats not what i signed up for..(even though it was contract reneweal bonubs 650$ bonus to get new phone) this is no way to treat a heavily paying customer..and i am not obligated to know the tradition of customer handling of each company each time i buy a phone..i know the phone is amazing , but its dead..truly dead..and mark my words when in a couple months the new candies come to surface no1 in xda will care to develop roms in this long dead phone....at least those 800$ taught me 1 thing i guess ..never buy anything from htc again

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.i know the phone is amazing , but its dead..truly dead..and mark my words when in a couple months the new candies come to surface no1 in xda will care to develop roms in this long dead phone....
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You have seen the various forums on xda supporting WinMo5 devices,haven't you?

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You have seen the various forums on xda supporting WinMo5 devices,haven't you?
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u still cant tell its not unofficial support thats my problem?really?

chris2busy said:
Ur point seems truly valid, but dammit thats not what i signed up for..(even though it was contract reneweal bonubs 650$ bonus to get new phone) this is no way to treat a heavily paying customer..and i am not obligated to know the tradition of customer handling of each company each time i buy a phone..i know the phone is amazing , but its dead..truly dead..and mark my words when in a couple months the new candies come to surface no1 in xda will care to develop roms in this long dead phone....at least those 800$ taught me 1 thing i guess ..never buy anything from htc again
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The HD2 is far from dead.... there will be people making roms and writing apps for it for years still. It's gonna be known as the last great WinMobile phone. It will remain as the best WinMobile 6.5 device, and for that fact, I think it will last longer than most phones do.
There are still people supporting phones from 5 years ago on these forums.
What is it that you signed up for? Nothing was promised for this phone other than what came with it. HTCs customer service sucks, but they make some great devices, and with them we get XDA support here! Thats much better than the support any other oem gives, imo.

chris2busy said:
u still cant tell its not unofficial support thats my problem?really?
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But you specifically mentioned XDA developing ROMs, now you're complaining about official support?

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But you specifically mentioned XDA developing ROMs, now you're complaining about official support?
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this was a comment because imho past devices were not as promising as the imminent are..nevertheless my problem is that i the services that came with my purchase feel like being molested..absolutely no future in it from the developer's end..i really dont know if its that typical of HTC to manage in that manner, and if it is is till do not know why this company still exist.

Got what I wanted!
I researched for months, got what I wanted, & what they said it had! Runs smooth, no bugs,"except audio booster" Would not trade for wm7, don't like how it will hold you down. I also pd alot for mine!! But I'm still sooooo happy. Love it. Sounds like you need to trade every month to try to keep up? Quig

chris2busy said:
I paid nearly 800$ for this..no not even marginaly close to it.
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They must have seen you coming!!!

lquigley said:
I researched for months, got what I wanted, & what they said it had! Runs smooth, no bugs,"except audio booster" Would not trade for wm7, don't like how it will hold you down. I also pd alot for mine!! But I'm still sooooo happy. Love it. Sounds like you need to trade every month to try to keep up? Quig
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well i am happy for you in all honesty..but i ,as hundrends of other members in here still have mega issues like lip sync or ufo like battery drain that even manifacturer cant identify, sms problems, music playback lags, incredible bluetooth battery drains sluggish video recording and many more..and thats the second hd2 i get after warranty return.

chris2busy said:
well i am happy for you in all honesty..but i ,as hundrends of other members in here still have mega issues like lip sync or ufo like battery drain that even manifacturer cant identify, sms problems, music playback lags, incredible bluetooth battery drains sluggish video recording and many more..and thats the second hd2 i get after warranty return.
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Issues mentioned in forums are negatively biased. People with problems are more likely to come here and post their problems as opposed to the many people who are not having problems.
Secondly, if you want to troll, do it on MySpace. April 2010 join date, seriously? If you don't like your phone, sell it and be done with it. Stop whining because you didn't have the common sense to read the labels on what exactly HTC is selling in the HD2. HTC is a phone manufacturer. Ergo, their job is to keep selling phones, even if it means phasing out past models. If you do not agree with this business strategy, go with another company that suits your needs.

How many 1000's are in use?
You have to realize how many of the hd2's are in use! I wish someone would count the number of people on these forums that are having problems, since they come here to get fixes. Not too many people go to forums, if everything is working ok. We have over 7000 members on htchd2forum.com the % is pretty clear, most are great!! Think about it,"if your car runs ok, do you go to dealer & tell them? If it is giving you trouble ,you call,complain, go in, get it fixed? HUH? wierd concept!! Sorry, got going,, I like this phone better than anything I've ever had!! But that is"me" not "you"! Goodluck,,Quig

PoisonWolf said:
Issues mentioned in forums are negatively biased. People with problems are more likely to come here and post their problems as opposed to the many people who are not having problems.
Secondly, if you want to troll, do it on MySpace. April 2010 join date, seriously? If you don't like your phone, sell it and be done with it. Stop whining because you didn't have the common sense to read the labels on what exactly HTC is selling in the HD2. HTC is a phone manufacturer. Ergo, their job is to keep selling phones, even if it means phasing out past models. If you do not agree with this business strategy, go with another company that suits your needs.
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I GUESS I really didnt know the HTC way of thinking...apple and android seem to get it a lot different..although they state 6.x phone support is not halted it indeed is..no upgrades,no updates,no nothing...i guess i should start flashing or im stuck with the ton of problems bundled in my handheld

I dont see the point in making these kind of thread. What will u get from these?
If u have problem, then try to search and solve it.
If u dont like the phone, then try to sell it.
Is it easier to feel better than making these threads and have most of people tell that u wrong here?
As far as I see, most of people who complain about their devices are people who just joined in to ask and complain. They messed up with their phone then try to get people to help them fix it. This phone is just amazing and works out of the box.
Let's compare the ones that have problems with the ones that dont, who only focus on flashing and trying roms. Maybe at a rate of 100 and 10000?

Hey guys!
I think chris2busy actaully does like the phone, but he is probably just really fustrated with the lack of support. I mean, usually, wouldnt it make sense that if you had issues with a certain product you have purchased from a certain company, then u should get all the support from them(Mostly). But for me, this forum is my support.
Also, I too agree with the point that why on earth,after paying so much money, do we have to rely on third party apps to tackle issues that shouldnt really be there in the first place? I mean, why doesnt it just simply work right out of the box? Dont get me wrong, i love customising my phone, but these customisations should really be for "customising" our phones with what suites us & looks good in our eyes....not to fix issues that HTC/WinMo shouldve done. I still love my HD2 but these are just some things we ALL couldve done without......
Finally, No, we shouldnt be thinking of getting rid of this phone as its "Kick Ass!"
(watched the movie last night, so still in that mood!)

I do not like this moaning and groaning, It has been posted recently that it takes time to know your new device. If you're not willing to spend that time, then stop harrassing us/this forum with your "complaints". By the way: what's the point of your post anyway?