Once again the folks at the Forbidden Fruit company are a step ahead. I love my phone but with a company like HTC who is growing at such a fast pace, they should have stepped up and provided these features before the monopolized company did.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not *****ing about my Incredible because it is a fantastic phone but the war is waged and as always Apple is ahead of the game. (And all my stupid iPhone friends are gloating.. )
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This would be the same Apple that just introduced multi-tasking and folders?
Oh yeah, they're way ahead of the game, if you're the kind of person to get duped into donating money to something called a 'Genius Bar' for that technology that's so intuitive you never need any help with it.
We will probably get 720p recording via a hack soon since the N1 just got it.
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This would be the same Apple that just introduced multi-tasking and folders?
Oh yeah, they're way ahead of the game, if you're the kind of person to get duped into donating money to something called a 'Genius Bar' for that technology that's so intuitive you never need any help with it.
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Point taken, I realize that HTC has technology that came out before Apple. Maybe its just a marketing thing and they already have these things for the next Gen but I figured it would be a hell of a smashing of Apple if those simple things were available, especially with how powerful this phone already is..
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Point taken, I realize that HTC has technology that came out before Apple. Maybe its just a marketing thing and they already have these things for the next Gen but I figured it would be a hell of a smashing of Apple if those simple things were available, especially with how powerful this phone already is..
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There's no maybe about it - 720p recording is limited by software, not HTC, and has already been done with the N1, likely a part of Froyo for the DI.
And video conferencing? Well, Apple can make it sound like it's leading the way there all they want. HTC and Android did it before the 4g with the Evo, and there have been other videoconferencing phones before that as well (Nokia stands out in my mind).
And would someone care to explain to me why videoconferencing only over WiFi is such a big deal? That's not a minor limitation - if they wanted to do something useful/groundbreaking, it'd be possible to videoconference over 3/4G. Of course, if that were the case, what's left of the AT&T network would collapse in the first day.
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There's no maybe about it - 720p recording is limited by software, not HTC, and has already been done with the N1, likely a part of Froyo for the DI.
And video conferencing? Well, Apple can make it sound like it's leading the way there all they want. HTC and Android did it before the 4g with the Evo, and there have been other videoconferencing phones before that as well (Nokia stands out in my mind).
And would someone care to explain to me why videoconferencing only over WiFi is such a big deal? That's not a minor limitation - if they wanted to do something useful/groundbreaking, it'd be possible to videoconference over 3/4G. Of course, if that were the case, what's left of the AT&T network would collapse in the first day.
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even voice over wifi takes up too much bandwidth, the man himself had to tell everybody to get off the wifi so his "revolutionary" POS can make a video call, I laughed when I read the specs and laughed even harder when his video calling didn't work, and the video calling is limited to IOS 4 users only, so no video calling g-ma like he wants because g-ma would need an iphone with IOS 4 on it but she is smart enough not to get an apple product. (well mine is anyway) even unrooted my DI is better than that thing.
I had a Motorola Razor x from europe that had a front camera back in 04 or 05. It did me no good when I came back to the states because no carriers supported video conferencing so it is not a new technology like they try to make it out to be....
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even voice over wifi takes up too much bandwidth, the man himself had to tell everybody to get off the wifi so his "revolutionary" POS can make a video call, I laughed when I read the specs and laughed even harder when his video calling didn't work, and the video calling is limited to IOS 4 users only, so no video calling g-ma like he wants because g-ma would need an iphone with IOS 4 on it but she is smart enough not to get an apple product. (well mine is anyway) even unrooted my DI is better than that thing.
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LOLz. iPone4=fail.
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as always Apple is ahead of the game
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Apple is behind the curve, and they know it. Anyone who has iPone envy better get a brain first.
To the OP, there will always be some things that one phone has that another doesn't, you just have to pick your poison. I could easily be using an EVO right now (I actually switched from Sprint to Verizon and I have 4G coverage in my area), but I decided I wanted to go with the Incredible. Something new will always be coming out that has features you wish you had on your phone (it doesn't help that iPhone fanboys will taunt you mercilessly on the web if they find out you don't have one and they do; it's even worse in real life).
Also when I say "fanboys", first it could apply to any sex and also I am not referring to the causal or even hardcore fans (fanboys are people that live for creating flamebait where it need not exist). I made enough money programming and then selling off several APIs for the iPhone OS 2.x/3.x (sorry I just think iOS looks weird) to pay back most of my student loans so sure I like the iPhone/iPod Touch (never got to work with an iPad); at the same time I would never have an iPhone as my primary mobile phone by choice.
Also I hadn't heard about the Incredible receiving an upgrade and/or hack for 720p recording, but I've always felt that it had that ability so that's nice to see.
A little biased opinions here as well, including myself. In many regards the incredible is better but let's face some facts that the iPhone has done some groundbreaking stuff in terms of hardware and software. They have proof in units they have pushed.
In the end I would still rather have the Inc rooted or unrooted vs iPhone jail broken or not. I've tried both and hardware wise Inc wins even though iPhone screen is better in response. Os wise android wins again. Hands down.
We incredible users have the exact same camera as the Evo 4g which is 720p supported.. so it has nothing to do with the hardware, but the software. It is inevitable that someone will make a hack and unlock the true potential of the incredible camera.
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This would be the same Apple that just introduced multi-tasking and folders?
Oh yeah, they're way ahead of the game, if you're the kind of person to get duped into donating money to something called a 'Genius Bar' for that technology that's so intuitive you never need any help with it.
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lmao and the same apple that finally put a flash on the iPhone for the camera hahahah
JTCGiants56 said:
We incredible users have the exact same camera as the Evo 4g which is 720p supported.. so it has nothing to do with the hardware, but the software. It is inevitable that someone will make a hack and unlock the true potential of the incredible camera.
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It's not just the camera that is needed for this, the chipset also needs to support it. Of course the incredible chipset is the same as the Evo, so you're good there.
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Once again the folks at the Forbidden Fruit company are a step ahead. I love my phone but with a company like HTC who is growing at such a fast pace, they should have stepped up and provided these features before the monopolized company did.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not *****ing about my Incredible because it is a fantastic phone but the war is waged and as always Apple is ahead of the game. (And all my stupid iPhone friends are gloating.. )
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New retina technology is impressive but Samsung already has an answer to that, Super AMOLED. its only a matter of time before HTC starts purchasing those screens, just like it buys AMOLED and putting them on their phones
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There's no maybe about it - 720p recording is limited by software, not HTC, and has already been done with the N1, likely a part of Froyo for the DI.
And video conferencing? Well, Apple can make it sound like it's leading the way there all they want. HTC and Android did it before the 4g with the Evo, and there have been other videoconferencing phones before that as well (Nokia stands out in my mind).
And would someone care to explain to me why videoconferencing only over WiFi is such a big deal? That's not a minor limitation - if they wanted to do something useful/groundbreaking, it'd be possible to videoconference over 3/4G. Of course, if that were the case, what's left of the AT&T network would collapse in the first day.
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Take a step back. I'm still using a K850i from Sony Ericsson when I'm out of the USA that was made at least 4 maybe 5 years ago. It had video conferencing on it using a 3G network. That is the Europe/Asia boys for you. This phone was not sold in the USA by any of the locally known carriers. Check the specs. That long ago with a xenon flash and 5 meg camera. The USA is still playing catch up. I am still looking for the phone running on an Android platform, can work on All USA, Asia, and European networks GSM & CDMA with a high quality camera. Don't get me wrong but the K850i photos run rings around the Incredible. That said, the Incredible is still my favorite.
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I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
It's true that no TV Out is sad, but in which case should it be usefull?
I always have my computer when i want to watch thing on "big" screen...
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I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
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Never needed a TV out on my phone and don't think I ever will. Guess its time to say bye bye! Main reason I stay with HTC is for the overwhelming support on this forum. Good look on finding that with the Omnia.
Wait til the Tegra phones start coming out, then it's more likely to happen.
I think the usefulness of TV out speaks for itself which is why it is already on the main contender flagship phones and on other HTC devices. Watching movies with freinds, showing photo slidehows with family, business presentations etc, the uses are endless.
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
One thing i don't understand... You'r Coming to this Forum to say that you Wont buy a hd2? It's like I go to a ford seller to say that I won't buy a ford... So what?
This comes from the frustration I have witht he HD v1 and HTC's dealing with drivers and video performance (still unaddressed). like me a lot of people were hoping this was going to be the phone the HD1 wasnt, disapointment, not anger really.
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I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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haha, well said. +1
12aon said:
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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+1 here as well.
I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. Yes, the mobile phone market is now about having as many features as possible on 1 device, but how many people make use of all the features? The more features they can cram into one device the more compromises they make over the quality of them all. There's two lists of requirements, 'must haves' and 'nice to haves', video call, TV-out better camera are all part of the nice to have list. HTC has always been a business oriented company focusing on the needs of the business and they have never set out to be the best of the best. It's was only when Samsung and Apple arrived on the scene that everyone demanded HTC to be more consumer focused. HTC are making slow progress to addressing this issue and they'll slowly get there. Look at Blackberries, they're still going strong and most of their phones have half the features we're expecting these days.
So, if you don't like the HD2, don't complain, you either like it or hate it! Move on!
TOUCH HD vs. OMNIA II vs. HD 2
Hello
I'm coming from an ETEN X500 over a N95 for two years and I want to go back to touchscreen now. I know the usage of the HD from a friend of mine, the Iphone and I have played around for 3 Hours last Thursday with the OMNIA II i8000.
The result is, that the OMNIA has TV Out but you can not use this thing in everydays life. Its awfull slow, the UI is horrible and the touchscreen is bad.
The AMOLED is great, ok. But at the end I think Samsung needs about 2 generations of phones to reach the Touch HD. And if the HD 2 is only half as good as the reviews say its much better than the Samsung devices.
The lag of TV-Out is sad anyway.
Bye
stoolzo said:
I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
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your posting is just to personal. I saw numerous complaints about lack video out, but I'm sure just a small amount of users like you will be disappointed, but is this a real deal breaker? It doesn't bother me a tiny bit at all. I was disappointed only by the lack of front camera, but I wouldn't make a thread trying to tell everyone HD2 sucks because it doesn't have one for me. How many phones are that perfect so far? HD2 is pretty much the most perfect phone to me and I'm sure to many others that didn't even bother about your complaint here.
12aon said:
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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You are one Cool dude
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haha, well said. +1
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Signed!
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lol, what a load of lovely "emotional" reactions, if you agree with 12aon's post, in that you actually understand what he was saying then some of you should be asking youselves why you bothered to post and did not just ignore my comments...
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shu8i said:
One thing i don't understand... You'r Coming to this Forum to say that you Wont buy a hd2? It's like I go to a ford seller to say that I won't buy a ford... So what?
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lol damn right, +10
Im not buying the HD2 because i dont like the boot screen!
nicelad_uk said:
Never needed a TV out on my phone and don't think I ever will. Guess its time to say bye bye! Main reason I stay with HTC is for the overwhelming support on this forum. Good look on finding that with the Omnia.
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I don't see the need for TV out either...with a 360 and upnp I can stream from any of my laptops etc, and frankly if I'm brining media elsewhere I'm not going to cross my fingers that whereever I go is going to have the right connector (vga vs hdmi vs component vs svideo vs rca etc).
It's too bad that this is such an important thing to you- my real concerns are lack of a d-pad, but even that won't stop me from picking one of these up like free booze at an AA convention.
clearly you all have much more money than I do, when I buy a new gadget, (now lets not pretend it is anything else as if you just wanted a phone you would still have your 10 year old nokia), I want to get my moneys worth. For me to shell out another effective £500+ on a phone it has to be a decent upgrade.. what are we really getting here?, big screen, so what?, same res as hd1, compass, give me a break, speed - granted you get speed but with the right ROM the HD1 is more than adequate to do most things, albeit with a bit of reenocding.
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clearly you all have much more money than I do, when I buy a new gadget, (now lets not pretend it is anything else as if you just wanted a phone you would still have your 10 year old nokia), I want to get my moneys worth. For me to shell out another effective £500+ on a phone it has to be a decent upgrade.. what are we really getting here?, big screen, so what?, same res as hd1, compass, give me a break, speed - granted you get speed but with the right ROM the HD1 is more than adequate to do most things, albeit with a bit of reenocding.
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I am no HD Owner but from my raph point of perspective this is a pretty decent upgrade and I feel after all this time squeezing the most out of my raph that this phone out of the box doesn't need any squeezing. When I will cook a ROM for this phone I'm going to make sure that everthing that works now is stays that way and loose the extra's.
If you have a chance to test it or check it out, I would recommend doing so you might be a little more suprised then you suspect. That being said there are still a couple of decent devices in HTC's line up, and if you are HTC HD you might just have to hold on to your HD for a bit, as its probably to young for you to throw it aside ,
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This is ridiculous-
http://tinyurl.com/ybrluyb
http://tinyurl.com/ydawvno
http://tinyurl.com/ydjo355
http://tinyurl.com/yc2wr5n
Insane. I've owned an iPhone, iPhone 3GS, Blackberry Pearl, T-Mobile Dash, G1 and a Behold 2 recently, and this is by far the best phone I've ever had. It is so snappy and seamless. What the hell is going on here? I can't be the only one who has been wowed by this device.
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This is ridiculous-
http://tinyurl.com/ybrluyb
http://tinyurl.com/ydawvno
http://tinyurl.com/ydjo355
http://tinyurl.com/yc2wr5n
Insane. I've owned an iPhone, iPhone 3GS, Blackberry Pearl, T-Mobile Dash, G1 and a Behold 2 recently, and this is by far the best phone I've ever had. It is so snappy and seamless. What the hell is going on here? I can't be the only one who has been wowed by this device.
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I don't take most of that seriously. Judging by the comments to those articles, many feel and argue against the main points of what the author is saying (Many of them were funny to read also). This has not changed my opinion of still wanting a Nexus One.
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This is ridiculous-
http://tinyurl.com/ybrluyb
http://tinyurl.com/ydawvno
http://tinyurl.com/ydjo355
http://tinyurl.com/yc2wr5n
Insane. I've owned an iPhone, iPhone 3GS, Blackberry Pearl, T-Mobile Dash, G1 and a Behold 2 recently, and this is by far the best phone I've ever had. It is so snappy and seamless. What the hell is going on here? I can't be the only one who has been wowed by this device.
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Well 2 of the 4 are by the same guy who is obviously biased. The other two are not too bad. Google getting sued over a book, doubtful successes in court. As far as customer support, that could be an issue, we'll see...
What happened is the Apple Kool-Aid. Put an Apple logo on the phone and they'll change their tune.
I can understand not liking the Nexus One for actual reasons (hardware keyboard)... but the reasons that many of these articles are stating is really, really reaching.
It doesn't matter what Apple does with the next iPhone because it'll be hailed as the greatest thing ever by the Apple...yadda, yadda, yadda....
Accused187 said:
I don't take most of that seriously. Judging by the comments to those articles, many feel and argue against the main points of what the author is saying (Many of them were funny to read also). This has not changed my opinion of still wanting a Nexus One.
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I think on the whole, end users love the device, but the news organizations are dishing out a lot of hate. More so than usual. The iPhone is an old device now, the 3GS was only an incremental update. It's ok to like the iPhone, its a great phone, but this sort of blind kneejerk reaction to competition is insane. It only helps to make everything else better.
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What happened is the Apple Kool-Aid. Put an Apple logo on the phone and they'll change their tune.
I can understand not liking the Nexus One for actual reasons (hardware keyboard)... but the reasons that many of these articles are stating is really, really reaching.
It doesn't matter what Apple does with the next iPhone because it'll be hailed as the greatest thing ever by the Apple...yadda, yadda, yadda....
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Yeah, it's quite old. The single greatest thing Apple did was make the "smartphone" (at launch it wasn't terribly smart compared to my WinMo phones) mainstream, even when the cost was high. The phone, and its OS, are dated. Period. It's now making its mark with apps, and not on the virtues of the phone (hardware, OS) itself. There will likely be another mind-numbing incremental change that could have either been integrated earlier (like BT stereo/AVRCP and a damn 3G chip) or something that will alienate the existing userbase (even stronger hardware to run games that can't be run on older hardware). But it's OK, because most Apple users are used to pitching the "old" stuff and getting the newest, or even skipping a generation.
I have 2 G1s at the house, and I got the Nexus One because I felt like the G1 didn't fairly show what the Android OS can do. I have "TheOfficial..." ROM on both of them, and it finally started running really quickly with 2.4.2 on it. I feel like the N1 with be a huge leap forward once all the RAM is opened up (kernel update) and will be completely usable in 3 years. I can still use my G1 if I wanted to, and get virtually all the functionality of the Nexus One, but the N1 does it faster and with a bit more style.
Yeah Apples, "buy our products because they're 'cool'" is mind numbing to me. I love how everyone gets excited when the iPhone can do stuff that normal phones have been able to do for years, like picture messaging, oh man. I think I could do that a good year or 2 before the first iPhone even came out. Also funny are the new commercials showing someone "talking on the phone" while doing other tasks, except they have to put the call on hold, oops, and by then ATT's network probably already dropped the call. Oh well, it's other peoples money, not mine.
except they have to put the call on hold, oops,
Are you serious? Wow I was completely misguided, by those commercials and have never owning a iPhone - I believed you could open another app, or browse the internet, while on a call. Lying commercials >.>
They are against anything iphone.
They write articles at about the 3rd grade level, for 3rd graders that own iphones.
It's nothing new that pcworld only loves them some 4 year old technology and crippled phones :mrgreen:
JoshHart said:
Yeah Apples, "buy our products because they're 'cool'" is mind numbing to me. I love how everyone gets excited when the iPhone can do stuff that normal phones have been able to do for years, like picture messaging, oh man.
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Innovations like MMS.... and cut and paste...and running things in the background!
You'd almost think that Apple was doing this on purpose.
Can't wait for the next "innovation": Being able to talk and browse the web at the same time. The same innovation T-Mobile and Verizon already have.
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Innovations like MMS.... and cut and paste...and running things in the background!
You'd almost think that Apple was doing this on purpose.
Can't wait for the next "innovation": Being able to talk and browse the web at the same time. The same innovation T-Mobile and Verizon already have.
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Never, ever doubt that Apple is doing this on purpose.
Eclair~ said:
except they have to put the call on hold, oops,
Are you serious? Wow I was completely misguided, by those commercials and have never owning a iPhone - I believed you could open another app, or browse the internet, while on a call. Lying commercials >.>
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Oh you cant browse 3g and talk on speak phone on ATT ?? I never had ATT so i don't know..I just got my Nexus. I hear bad things about Tmobile 3g service, but just had to have my Nex Fix.
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Oh you cant browse 3g and talk on speak phone on ATT ?? I never had ATT so i don't know..I just got my Nexus. I hear bad things about Tmobile 3g service, but just had to have my Nex Fix.
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It doesn't matter, you'll drop the call on ATT before you can surf and talk :mrgreen:
hold on to your horses, this is a long one:
Why is it that whenever someone picks up my phone they say, "its just like an iPhone" or "its an iPhone wannabe" or something along those lines. About the only thing the Evo has in common with the iPhone is a touchscreen and camera. One of my friends said it LOOKS like an iPhone. HOW?? It has red accents, a kickstand and something I think the iPhone lacks, character. Apple has a lock on the smartphone market for the average consumer, and it infuriates me. The Evo is, IMO light years ahead of the iPhone, as is Android as an operating system. iOS4 is just now starting to catch up to Android in terms of necessary features, and is still lacking in other departments.
With the announcement of iPhone 4, the ONLY thing that the iPhone does better is the display (I would still prefer the mammouth Evo screen), the battery (will have to wait for reviews to confirm) and camera. Also, I have to admit that the video editing on the fly capabilities are very slick. The thing that has pissed me off the most is the "revolutionary" video chat feature in the new iPhone. BULL! With the Evo, I can video chat ANYWHERE I want on a dependable network, not only when I'm tied down to a WiFi network.
I just wish people weren't so "OOOH iPhone" like. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes phenomenal products. I'm writing this on a Macbook Pro with my 2 iPods charging next to me. But I think people really limit themselves when it comes to the mobile market. The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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iPhone 4 is another letdown just like iPhone 3GS. I had the iPhone 3G and didn't upgrade to the 3GS because it was not enough to move me. Anyone who says Evo 4G is a iPhone lookalike is a fanboy.
They put the iPhone 4 display against the plain ol' background on a 3GS. How are you going to compare a background that's in grey to a black plain one. A real comparison would be a JB'n iPhone 3GS background with a background of the iPhone 4.
I'm open to new things and I will admit I jumped the on iPhone due to the hype. I soon became really bored with it and the fact that my phone would constantly go into safe mode. JB's iPhones are so unstable as far as crashing.
Honestly, the iPhone got so much attention because apple can afford to market it like a mofo.
They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.
gqstatus0685 said:
They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.
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You should be safe, I've never dropped a call on Sprint. When my Dad is working in NYC, its not even worth making the call. Even at the Indy 500 a couple weeks ago he couldn't complete a call. Nothing about it makes sense, it baffles me.
The developer community is incredibly strong, but even that argument doesn't hold up too well. Most good apps for iPhone have a Android app, or at least something comparable.
It makes sense none of us get it though, it is an Android board. We've seen the light
The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup
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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup
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I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.
Thats the power of Apples advertising. Everyone knows the iPhone. Its so bad that even "tech" people compare every phone to the iPhone.
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I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.
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agreed, though then there's apps that are full screen
op, you're wrong.
iphone vs any other phone (best android phone at the moment) is very relevant. Both phones have a lot in common with each other with some key differences.
Well I did notice that the new iPhone seems to have taken some design cues from HTC, I remember when I first saw the leaked images of the new iPhone the first thing I thought was "hey, that looks like the HD2"
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The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.
The average person is an idiot.
The iphone can be successful used by 5 year olds.
Their success is entirely because if two thing. What it does it does well. KISS.
We all should thank Motorola (although they butchered the Android name).
They got the Android OS out there. They have marketed the Android heavily and I am glad.
But because of them, however, is why people call the Android system "Droid."
I guess the Apple fans can agree to disagree and they have that right. When it come to little touches I would have to give the edge to apple on it. I would have given another thought had it had a larger screen to really take advantage of that resolution. But in the grand scheme of things and Apples marketing process they wanted to be the worlds thinnest phone and claim longer battery life and this might not have been achievable with a 4 inch display. The Samsung galaxy is close at 9.9 mm. They added some perks to their software update and now claim to have made the best multitasking method for the mobile phones. We will have to see about that.
What I don't like it the many unfair claims towards the Evo for battery drain. I have not seen those numbers yet on my phone. So to all the journalist tech bloggers who reviewed the Evo please re-review them or correct your article because I only read a few that said "in all fairness the Apple iPhone 3gs lasted just as long". The battery has been what has hurt the Evo more than the 4G network in the reviews.
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The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.
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I wouldn't go that far, I am pretty sure we have WinMo and PalmOS to thank for Android, considering Google purchased Android Inc. in 2005, back when the iPhone was just rumor and speculation.
Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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Heh, google is the inverse of apple
...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.
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i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.
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Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.
Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...
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oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.
I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.
So there won't be a N1 successor ??
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I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.
No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!
I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate
Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.
And I realized why most people find it hard to use smartphones other than the iPhone. It is not based around the concept of 'iPhone is naturally easier because it just WORKS' but more along the lines of people have this notion that smartphones SHOULD behave/look like the iPhone.
For instance, when I showed my friend my Evo he looked at the screen and said "Where are the apps?" I said I only keep a few on the main screen that I use frequently such as SMS/Phone/Voicemail/Dropbox etc but the rest are in the app drawer. He said "Yeah... but that's gay they should all be on the screens" after switching from screen to screen only to find a few apps here and there I realized that people are accustomed to the clutter and confusion of iOS rather than the simplicity and organization of Android. It really seems counter intuitive to me. While the iPhone is a ****ing AMAZING phone (whoever says otherwise is a fanboy) it definitely loses in some areas to Android but people base their standards off the iOS which is a clear bias. I never knew how much of a grasp Apple has on the smartphone industry until this event. Coming from a Blackberry and having owned an iPod I found the transitions to be seamless but I also worked at IT for a long duration.
The conclusion I reached was that the notion of Android is harder to use because you need to be a geek to understand it is also false. Android is not more difficult to use, it is just different in itself. Turning on wifi on an iPhone is the same process. Downloading an APP is the same as well. Making phone calls and sending texts are identical. Hopefully we can see a growth in smartphone technologies that embrace the BEST possible user experience which I believe goes to Android for their sheer volume of phones as well as operating system capabilities.
Sounds like your describing that evo vs. iphone video on youtube and your friend is the character repeating "I don't care".
Are you happy with your device? Does it do what you want the way you want?
You are all that matters....
good day.
Kinda... but its not utter stupidity - more ignorance. What I am trying to say is that the iPhone has been the epitome of what a touchscreen smartphone SHOULD look and behave like.
I enjoy Android but I honestly got the Evo because of Sprints plan coupled in with unlimited bandwidth was a great money saving choice for a smart phone. Also, the fact that I can roam on Verizon meant I could get signal where an iPhone could not.
Honestly though, if I could get an iPhone on Sprints network with unlimited data + tethering as I do now for under $80 I would jump on that offer. Really love that phone and the game development is skyrocketing. I do enjoy the Evo, however. Cant complain about its amazing screen size and custom roms I can put in. Also the free tethering is nice
I guess your conclusion also explains why in every smartphone review, the iPhone is mentioned several times also.
Yup. Now if only we could get that phone out of the ATT deathgrip.
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Yup. Now if only we could get that phone out of the ATT deathgrip.
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So you do want the iphone...
I'm not surprised that the iphone is the standard - there are a lot more of them than any other smartphone. And they're very nice phones.
That said, I much prefer my evo. Even if the iphone became available outside AT&T, I'm sticking with android. While the iphone has more games (and fart apps), android allows more customization. I'm also not limited to a single controlled app market. Finally, my aging eyes love the large screen.
My girlfriend has a mytouch slide and after having the phone for a week I was showing her how to use it and she didn't even realize there was a menu button. You miss out on an awful lot without using that button lol.
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People forget that the average Joe is a moron.
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So you do want the iphone...
I'm not surprised that the iphone is the standard - there are a lot more of them than any other smartphone. And they're very nice phones.
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Pretty sure the BB curve still holds the crown.
That said, I am moving my mom from her BB curve to an EVO in December. I'll do the same with the EVO that I did with the curve. I will set it up so everything she wants is on the home screens. I'll give it a nice, clean look and make sure the fonts are right, etc.
She wants it for the big screen, not because it is fast, customizable, or anything else.
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People forget that the average Joe is a moron.
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Or completely uninterested in technology. I'm sure there are plenty of people with brains and advanced degrees that could not care much less about stuff that is possible with their phone.
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People forget that the average Joe is a moron.
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I prefer: Common sense is not that common.
I agree with the OP 100%. People are creatures of habit and don't realize that in the same way a PC differs from a MAC, an Android phone will differ from iOS based phone. I think that people will buy anything that has a lower case "i" in front of it just because Apple found a niche in the way they advertise. I don't have a problem with their products. My beef with them is based on their communist approach to business and the fact that they don't care about their customers.
Personally, I have never nor will I ever buy anything Apple. It has nothing to do with being an Android fan-boy so much as it is about being an Apple hater. lol Although I will say that my first experience with Android has left me wanting to kick myself for not switching over sooner.
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I prefer: Common sense is not that common.
I agree with the OP 100%. People are creatures of habit and don't realize that in the same way a PC differs from a MAC, an Android phone will differ from iOS based phone. I think that people will buy anything that has a lower case "i" in front of it just because Apple found a niche in the way they advertise. I don't have a problem with their products. My beef with them is based on their communist approach to business and the fact that they don't care about their customers.
Personally, I have never nor will I ever buy anything Apple. It has nothing to do with being an Android fan-boy so much as it is about being an Apple hater. lol Although I will say that my first experience with Android has left me wanting to kick myself for not switching over sooner.
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I made the terrible mistake of buying my g/f an iPod nano about a year ago. I really should have known better but she really wanted it. I got her hooked on Android with her Hero last Dec and she is now enamored with her EVO. My current challenge is I'm trying to convince her to let me see if I can hit her iPod with a .50 cal round at about 400 yards.
I'd settle for using my AR at 200 yards but the .50 would be so much more gratifying
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I made the terrible mistake of buying my g/f an iPod nano about a year ago. I really should have known better but she really wanted it. I got her hooked on Android with her Hero last Dec and she is now enamored with her EVO. My current challenge is I'm trying to convince her to let me see if I can hit her iPod with a .50 cal round at about 400 yards.
I'd settle for using my AR at 200 yards but the .50 would be so much more gratifying
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Bwahaha! My girl wanted an iPod for her birthday a few years back, and when she opened the box, there was a Zune in it. She looked at me as if I had just said something about her momma. After a week, she was loving it. She was able to remove that resource-hungry iTunes software from her computer (she had it on there because of an iPod Shuffle she previously was using but broke), and it made her computer faster, too.
If you ever take the .50 cal to the iPod, make sure you use the Evo to capture the event.
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Bwahaha! My girl wanted an iPod for her birthday a few years back, and when she opened the box, there was a Zune in it. She looked at me as if I had just said something about her momma. After a week, she was loving it. She was able to remove that resource-hungry iTunes software from her computer (she had it on there because of an iPod Shuffle she previously was using but broke), and it made her computer faster, too.
If you ever take the .50 cal to the iPod, make sure you use the Evo to capture the event.
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Yeah, I got it for her but with the caveat that it could only ever make a usb connection with HER COMPUTER.
I think I'll have to actually get her a raplacement before she'll give it up. I'm thinking either a Zune or a 16gb microsd card for her EVO.
Also, rest assured if I ever do get her iPod out to the range.. the event will be captured and shared
iPhone is a bit too easy and locked down for my tastes. I like being able to apply themes, change my Home app, etc. I think that alone makes Android look much better than iPhone. My iPhone friend who is an Apple fanboy agrees that the Android setup is much better and widgets are awesome.
Icons on icons is ugly to me. It's almost insulting.
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Yeah, I got it for her but with the caveat that it could only ever make a usb connection with HER COMPUTER.
I think I'll have to actually get her a raplacement before she'll give it up. I'm thinking either a Zune or a 16gb microsd card for her EVO.
Also, rest assured if I ever do get her iPod out to the range.. the event will be captured and shared
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Zune HD ftw. I have had a 16 gig since launch day. Sexy screen, light and portable, and best of all the battery life is ****ing outstanding. Also, the best music browsing/playability out of any device to date.
Yea, the Zune is pretty. Although to be honest, I would invest in a 32GB SD card for my Evo and use that instead of using two separate devices. While the UI of the Zune is pretty, I wouldn't spend the money on it when I have a phone I already carry with me all the time that can do the same thing.
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Zune HD ftw. I have had a 16 gig since launch day. Sexy screen, light and portable, and best of all the battery life is ****ing outstanding. Also, the best music browsing/playability out of any device to date.
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Look dude, I'm not trying to start more shiz in another one of your threads.. I'm appalled by your behavior in your WTF WIFI?!?! thread, but that's another story. I'm asking you politely to check your language. You could have just as, if not more effectively covered your point without dropping an f-bomb.. Again, not trying to start shiz.
I have no experience with zune but everyone I know that has one LOVES it, and several of them have models that are OOOLLLDDD, so that says something to me about build quality. On the other hand, a big sdcard full of music would conveniently negate the need for another device to purchase and keep charged, but would likely mean I'd have to hook her up with another battery or two or an extended battery. Oh what a dilemma, now I have to research and purchase more technology
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Look dude, I'm not trying to start more shiz in another one of your threads.. I'm appalled by your behavior in your WTF WIFI?!?! thread, but that's another story. I'm asking you politely to check your language. You could have just as, if not more effectively covered your point without dropping an f-bomb.. Again, not trying to start shiz.
I have no experience with zune but everyone I know that has one LOVES it, and several of them have models that are OOOLLLDDD, so that says something to me about build quality. On the other hand, a big sdcard full of music would conveniently negate the need for another device to purchase and keep charged, but would likely mean I'd have to hook her up with another battery or two or an extended battery. Oh what a dilemma, now I have to research and purchase more technology
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Okay fine lets agree to be police to so others don't have to deal with it.
I was thinking about getting an SD card for my Evo but the only crappy thing is I want to carry my music around in places that I don't want to take my phone like the gym. Not only are phones prohibited in some gyms, I couldn't bear to accidentally drop a weight on my phone or get too sweaty and short it out etc etc. Although I love my Zune and it cost me as much as my Evo did, it is not nearly the same device as far as capabilities.
Plus, another thing with the Evo is you don't really need an extra sd card. Just setup Dropbox accounts and you're good to go. I have all my music on dropbox and I just stream it perfectly.
Not to hijack, but I also have a dropbox account. How are you streaming music to your evo?
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