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ATT 8525. Is there a tweak in which I can force roaming?
Perhaps a registry edit?
There are no software choices as these have been elimibated by ATT/Cingular.
Thanks
Ray
just wondering... why would you want to force roaming?
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Why force roaming?
I'm in an area where I pop in and out of roaming areas. What happens is that I will get what ATT calls "dead spots" where the call is not dropped but sometimes will resume after about a minute or two of silence. Sometimes it will drop. I think that this is ATT's way of tallying minutes. They refuse to call themn dropped calls. When I had Verizon not only did I have perfect reception on the same route (noe I lose the call 3-4 times) but if a call dropped it dropped immediately, not after 2 minutes. In any case, force roaming may get me to drop (or get dead zones) on fewer calls. Also, they don't like roamers, if I eventually want to drop the service they are more likely going to make an exception when I have been freely roaming (which costs them money).
NOW I wonder who can tell me how to do this?
My suggestion would be to not chat constantly while driving.
Also note that roaming will cost you money, not just AT&T. Truth be told, it likely won't cost AT&T anything at all (providers have agreements on this sort of thing) but will certainly end up costing you a lot in roaming charges.
In any case, it seems unlikely to me that you are saying anything important enough to where you need to be use the phone while driving 100% of the time.
If you're looking for other suggestions, try a booster antenna for your car. There's a nice little antenna port on the back of the 8525 just for this purpose.
I don't understand the response?
My question was "How do you force roaming?" What I got was a commentary on when I should use my phone and what it will cost.
Can anyone who is capable please answer the question? I really don't need to be coached on the appropriate time to use the phone.
An answer confined to the parameters of the question would be appreciated.
Thank you
Ray
try changing radio versions
I've had great success with different radio ROMs as far as getting coverage in an area that I previously had none.
I tried the 1.48 radio rom and it made things worse (no coverage inside buildings) but went back to 1.47 and all is golden...
No sure about forcing a roam but this might be better
Doesn't help you much, but the guy talking about roaming charges is off by 100%. I have spent days roaming on other carriers networks where ATT had no service and it didn't cost me a cent. Don't all ATT plans come with no roaming charges these days?
radio ROM?
Batster,
Please forgive my ignorance. Tell me about radio ROM and how to change/obtain it. (I guess I should have searched before replying...perhaps it's on here)
Thanks
Ray
Updating your radio isn't withinin the confines of your question, though.
Perhaps not...but it IS constructive
nitecapt said:
An answer confined to the parameters of the question would be appreciated.
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I may be wrong, but I think you can just change the order of preferred providers.
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Nitecap;
Different radio ROMs have different effects on the phone; usually a trade off between reception and battery life; in other words, 1 ROM may get you a stronger signal but shorter battery life, while another may do the opposite. It's all a matter of trial and error--try a few and see which works best for you in that area that you're driving in.
Radio ROMs HERE
Hope this helps.
Nitecap;
Sorry, also wanted to list this thread on Cingular Radio ROM's
check out the Upgrading forums for Radio information... various radio versions seem to do better with different providers and also the area you're in. They also affect battery life to a degree. Since you're AT&T I'd start with 1.48, or 1.40
Also check out MrVanx's guides on how to do upgrades SAFELY!
You are the best!
You guys are great. Thank you for contributing your valuable time to my problem. It is much appreciated.
Cingular network (enforced by the SIM) does not allow manual network selection. When you are actually roaming, as in a foreign country, the manual network search will appear in the phone settings. I feel your pain with this. Also I like flaming people just as much as the next guy but you are right the commentaries on don’t drive and talk or just don’t roam it costs money was uncalled for!
I did find an option in some versions of the "advance settings" (kaiser tweaks) that is titled:
CPHS override (specifies whether the CPHS operator name (the operator name stored in the SIM) overrides all other stored operator names.)
by deafult with my current ROM it was disabled. I enabled it and then disabled it and I tried forcing my phone to connect to AT&T's freqencies instead of T-Mobile's. No luck.
maybe the solution is/can be related to this feature or a combination of this feature and something else?
Any way to accomplish this?
I need this BAD too! Reception at work is god awfull. Please help! SOS
What does your user name mean? Natural light or natty boh light?
Please someone make an app to turn on/off roaming; I'm willing to pay money for it (and I'm sure a lot of people are willing to do so too).......
LOL if it were this easy.......
Roaming is of no use to me but I always like to look in to issues that people are having. I grep'd what code we have available to us for our phones and the only two options I came across were:
ro.com.android.dataroaming = true
xml: name="sync_while_roaming">false
So all I can tell you is that I can control whether it roams or not (which can also be easily changed in our settings menu) but not to force it to roam. I googled if it was possible in android at all and couldn't find any results.
Do you know what towers are around you or what towers we can roam on? I wonder if it would be possible to hack in a verizon rom dump from eris and force it to roam on their towers. However that won't allow you to come back to Sprint. And Sprint has been known to cancel contracts of people who roam too much.
has anyone tried to update the PRL to a verizon PRL?? I tried it, but i'm not sure how successful it was, as both Sprint and Verizon signals are strong in my area.. Put the PRL on the SD card and use ##PRL# to update it..
flipzmode said:
Roaming is of no use to me but I always like to look in to issues that people are having. I grep'd what code we have available to us for our phones and the only two options I came across were:
ro.com.android.dataroaming = true
xml: name="sync_while_roaming">false
So all I can tell you is that I can control whether it roams or not (which can also be easily changed in our settings menu) but not to force it to roam. I googled if it was possible in android at all and couldn't find any results.
Do you know what towers are around you or what towers we can roam on? I wonder if it would be possible to hack in a verizon rom dump from eris and force it to roam on their towers. However that won't allow you to come back to Sprint. And Sprint has been known to cancel contracts of people who roam too much.
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The towers around me are Verizon towers. Yeah, I undestand that (Sprint has been known to cancel contracts of people who roam too much) and I don't want to Roam all the time, just here at work. The phone is mostly on roaming while at work but is is continually searching for a Sprint tower and that drains the battery so fast! The only workaround for me is to set the phone to airplane mode until about the last three hours of work but then even when the phone is turned on it constantly tries to switch to a very weak sprint signal and I keep losing connection just about every 2 or 3 minutes, so using the phone in work is practically useless for me right now
@mroneeyedboh: Natural Light. My ode to cheap beer.
One area I frequent has a weak Sprint signal, and a "decent" Verizon signal. It would take "excessive" roaming, for 3 consecutive months for Sprint to flag you for abuse. So you have some breathing room. I remember my G1 had an option to manually select the network available. However, I'm not entirely sure that having a network option isn't just a customary feature of a GSM device, and not Android specifically, since its obviously compatible world wide.
I have the same exact situation at work where I get no signal on sprint but it tries to find it draining the battery and preventing it from using the very good verizon signal. I had to force it to EVDO only just to be able to check my gmail and confirm my XDA forum registration since webmail is blocked at work. This the kind of thing I bought this phone for to always have access to my email. Switching to EVDO Only mode is really cumbersome and annoying, and still gives a bad although slightly better signal. If I forget to switch it back to allow 1x Data, I can't use SMS and when I call sprint it hangs up immediately unless I switch it back on. I would use very minimal time data and voice roaming compared to my outside of building data and voice use as I'm sure is the case for most people with bad sprint coverage inside buildings.
Greefus said:
I have the same exact situation at work where I get no signal on sprint but it tries to find it draining the battery and preventing it from using the very good verizon signal. I had to force it to EVDO only just to be able to check my gmail and confirm my XDA forum registration since webmail is blocked at work. This the kind of thing I bought this phone for to always have access to my email. Switching to EVDO Only mode is really cumbersome and annoying, and still gives a bad although slightly better signal. If I forget to switch it back to allow 1x Data, I can't use SMS and when I call sprint it hangs up immediately unless I switch it back on. I would use very minimal time data and voice roaming compared to my outside of building data and voice use as I'm sure is the case for most people with bad sprint coverage inside buildings.
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There is a widget in the market to switch 3g on and off. can't remember the name.
Anyone who's more knowledgeable than me, can please tell me if by changing anything in the ## menus, (like ##diag# or ##data#), can we force the phone to roam? (I'm asking because I just got the MSL number out of my device and now can change any of those settings).
TIA.
daveli said:
Anyone who's more knowledgeable than me, can please tell me if by changing anything in the ## menus, (like ##diag# or ##data#), can we force the phone to roam? (I'm asking because I just got the MSL number out of my device and now can change any of those settings).
TIA.
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Sorry, can't help you. I interested in this thread, so I'm bumping it.
This sounds like something the CDMA radio manages. I'm not familiar with the lower level processes and configurations on Android, but this might be part of a closed source process. I don't know if Android is supposed to have such a thing?
You could try setting the Home SID/NID to the SID/NID of the tower where you work, and then set the phone to Sprint Only. This in theory should force the phone to stay on the roaming tower, but I'm not sure if this will override the PRL. Probably not.
Subscribing... I would give anything for this. I got this shiny new hero and can't use it at my house. It was so awesome that I kept it. A friend can sit next to me on verizon and get almost a full signal.
I have tried the GV + Sipsorcery + sipdroid thing to make and receive calls over wifi but it is so unreliable. If I could just switch to use the roaming verizon tower by my house I could justify keeping this thing.
I am new to android development, but not new to development, linux, or java. So I will probably investigate this more.
flexgrip said:
Subscribing... I would give anything for this. I got this shiny new hero and can't use it at my house. It was so awesome that I kept it. A friend can sit next to me on verizon and get almost a full signal.
I have tried the GV + Sipsorcery + sipdroid thing to make and receive calls over wifi but it is so unreliable. If I could just switch to use the roaming verizon tower by my house I could justify keeping this thing.
I am new to android development, but not new to development, linux, or java. So I will probably investigate this more.
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Anyone looking into what someone else found? That he was able to force roam the Hero?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616405
I am hopefull
Apart from force roaming does anyone know of an app that would let you manually select your towers (or a built in way to do it).
I don't want to force roaming actually, I just want to switch to the verizon tower near my house so I can use my phone at home. I don't want to do it anywhere else. Just once instance.
I had a junk nokia a long time ago and it even had an app that let you manually select your tower and gave me all the serial/id info about it. What is the next closest think on android for this?
flexgrip said:
I don't want to force roaming actually, I just want to switch to the verizon tower near my house so I can use my phone at home. I don't want to do it anywhere else. Just once instance.
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That is, by definition, force roaming.
Oh, you're right, but what I meant was that I don't want to be anywhere and kick myself off the sprint towers onto any other tower using an app or setting. I just meant in one location I would like to switch to a defined tower. There is a big difference between an app that lets you select your network towers and another that forces your phone off of sprint onto any roaming tower. But thanks for a helpful post.
As far as the CDMA hero goes, is there anything helpful in the radio updates that might lead to controlling the network selection? I am wrapping some projects up this week and I do not care to dig through the source to see if a quick app is possible.
I'm pretty sure you should NOT mess with the radio...
flexgrip said:
Subscribing... I would give anything for this. I got this shiny new hero and can't use it at my house. It was so awesome that I kept it. A friend can sit next to me on verizon and get almost a full signal.
I have tried the GV + Sipsorcery + sipdroid thing to make and receive calls over wifi but it is so unreliable. If I could just switch to use the roaming verizon tower by my house I could justify keeping this thing.
I am new to android development, but not new to development, linux, or java. So I will probably investigate this more.
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Or, you could call customer care, and tell them that you get no service at home, and require an AIRAVE. They sent me one free, and waived the 4.99 month charge. Just explain to them, you need your phone, you have small kids or whatever, you need service in your home.
AIRAVE is the best thing ever. I went from no service in my house, to 5 bars at all times, who cares if its only 1X, I can still make and receive calls, and have WiFi for my data needs.
I've had it with this piece of ****. I'm on my 3rd Slide and STILL have "Generic Network Failure"s when trying to send or receive MMS, get "Unable to send message, retrying" with 3 god damn bars of service when trying to send an SMS sometimes, lose my E and 3G data connection all the time even though T-Mo says I should get a good 3G connection. So, what is something comparable to this? Has to be Android. T-Mo wants to send me a Blackberry something or other, and I have no interest at all in that.
There gonna try to send you something comparable. What they think is comparable is whether or not you have a keyboard or not, not what OS your current phone has. If you complain enough you may be able to get a Vibrant but odds are against you. Threaten to leave and that may help.
Firsr and most importantly have you tried setting the phone to 3G only? Also Making sure you have the correct data plan (its slide specific not android..stupid tmo) and making sure no app or anything is messing with apns?
turboyo said:
Firsr and most importantly have you tried setting the phone to 3G only? Also Making sure you have the correct data plan (its slide specific not android..stupid tmo) and making sure no app or anything is messing with apns?
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Que? There are different data plans? Yea, I've tried setting it to 3g only. The problem with that is I barely get a signal in my house. All the APNs are what they should be, none of those settings has changed. The odd part is on each of the phones, I have had my apps installed on day one, and the thing works fine for a couple of weeks, then I start having these problems out of the blue.
i started having issues a few weeks ago in my area, i had awesome data speeds when i connected, but 9/10 times i would get half of the page loaded and then it would hang which meant resetting my data connection or rebooting the phone or any number of other fixes. i have the advantage of working at a t-mo store and was able to pull up the map of my area and see that they were working on my tower at home and as of a few days ago my connection is 6-7mbps down and solid as hell, i used to go to bread co to use wifi but tethering is faster now(and more convenient, and i don't have to worry about a firewall)
did you try a new simcard?
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Que? There are different data plans? Yea, I've tried setting it to 3g only. The problem with that is I barely get a signal in my house. All the APNs are what they should be, none of those settings has changed. The odd part is on each of the phones, I have had my apps installed on day one, and the thing works fine for a couple of weeks, then I start having these problems out of the blue.
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yes theres a slide specific data package. Im sure you have it if it works for the most part but yea the android data package will not work supposedly. and of course theres the sidekick package blackberry etc
The slide package is 5 dollars more. I was originally signed up for it but I called in and got it switched. The dataplan works fine, I wish I could say as much for the phone. My third replacement will be here this week...
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My 4th replacement is in the mail right now. Tmobile offered me a blackberry 9700 to replace it, obviously I jumped all over that(insert sarcastic undertones).
I'm gonna wait for the HSPA+ phones to come out and maybe I can talk them into giving me one at full upgrade price, I would take the Vibrant, but I can't stand that phone. It only takes a few warranty exchanges and finding the right rep, and you can get whatever you want from tmobile.
I can usually browse the web and use data while I'm on a phone call.
Tonight I tried it and had no data connection until disconnecting the voice call. Can anyone who has not installed the OTA verify that it is still working? Or anyone with the OTA? Maybe I'm just crazy and am remembering something that didn't happen? No, I'm sure I could do both before.
I would hate to lose it this feature.
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Works for me.. I've heard people say this happend before the update too, but I've never had any issues with it. Best thing to do is call tmobile to help you. It might have something to do with a weak signal, or not enough signal to handle both at the same time.
Have you tried using wifi calling and then browse the web through your wifi? That would prove it was somehow related to network signal.
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My net won't work on Edge during a call, and is kind of laggy on 3G.
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U can only use data and voice with 3g/4g.
Edge uses the same stream as voice so you cant do both on edga data.
But I always use data and voice, mainly when looking up addresses or phone numbers
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So maybe it was because I was on an Edge only network at the time of the phone call? I'll have to experiment more. To tell the truth I hardly make any phone calls with my cell phone.
This was all during a 35 minute trip across town so it's hard to believe it's on Edge the entire time since I have really good H access around town.
I'll call T-Mobile soon if it doesn't fix itself.
I've also been using a SIM that came with my Sidekick which was two phones ago. Going to also ask them if I am on the best web plan.
Thanks for the help.
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I can usually browse the web and use data while I'm on a phone call.
Tonight I tried it and had no data connection until disconnecting the voice call. Can anyone who has not installed the OTA verify that it is still working? Or anyone with the OTA? Maybe I'm just crazy and am remembering something that didn't happen? No, I'm sure I could do both before.
I would hate to lose it this feature.
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I have noticed this problem on my HD2 for a while now. I am sitting on a nice 3G signal and the moment a voice call connects, my data connection dies. it does eventually drop to Edge or GPRS but bounces back the instant I'm off my call. it's really consistent as in the moment I connect, it goes.
I've seen this behavior on both my Windows and Android builds on my HD2.
I'm starting to think this is either a hardware issue or perhaps a greater T-Mobile one.
Any thoughts?
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So maybe it was because I was on an Edge only network at the time of the phone call? I'll have to experiment more. To tell the truth I hardly make any phone calls with my cell phone.
This was all during a 35 minute trip across town so it's hard to believe it's on Edge the entire time since I have really good H access around town.
I'll call T-Mobile soon if it doesn't fix itself.
I've also been using a SIM that came with my Sidekick which was two phones ago. Going to also ask them if I am on the best web plan.
Thanks for the help.
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Phone information
WCDM ONLY
Change it back when done
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it usally takes about 30 sec for me to recover data on my phone sometime on 3g even on my tp2
I'm pretty sure now it was because I was on Edge. I've been able to use web while talking just fine recently.
I found a way around the no data while on a phone call. This works on LP but not sure on MM. Activate the download booster and you're good to go!
Is this not new?
It looks like you're connected to wifi in those pics. Data works while on the phone if you're connected to a WiFi router.
you are smoking a lot of weed ajaj if was like before you are in a call receive internet was wonderful days i haved a lg f7 you can call and browse internet
emanuelrv said:
you are smoking a lot of weed ajaj if was like before you are in a call receive internet was wonderful days i haved a lg f7 you can call and browse internet
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Who are you talking to?
whbisondtr said:
Who are you talking to?
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to you why
The older phones had two CDMA radios put in them (such as the S3 on Sprint). One dedicated to voice -- another dedicated to data. Therefore you could do voice and data. GSM has always been one radio .. because that one radio can do both tasks at the same time. They got around it on CDMA by simply adding another radio in there and dedicating each one to one task.
Now a days they're getting rid of that second CDMA radio. So therefore you can only use talk, or data -- not both at the same time. Now if you're using VoLTE it will allow voice and data since the call will be going through LTE (as data) and .. data will be data. So it is technically then all data.
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to you why
The older phones had two CDMA radios put in them (such as the S3 on Sprint). One dedicated to voice -- another dedicated to data. Therefore you could do voice and data. GSM has always been one radio .. because that one radio can do both tasks at the same time. They got around it on CDMA by simply adding another radio in there and dedicating each one to one task.
Now a days they're getting rid of that second CDMA radio. So therefore you can only use talk, or data -- not both at the same time. Now if you're using VoLTE it will allow voice and data since the call will be going through LTE (as data) and .. data will be data. So it is technically then all data.
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Why? Because I was gonna say if you're gonna be rude, make sure you use proper English and punctuation.
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Why? Because I was gonna say if you're gonna be rude, make sure you use proper English and punctuation.
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or give the English class
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