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Changing the IMEI

Hi, I have been very happily using my XDA with a '3' SIM after unlocking it but as of this weekend, it stopped working. It will work with other network SIMs so I know the phone is fine. I called '3' but obviously they are not interested. Is it because of the IMEI? If so, I would like to find out how I can change it ... My radio was 4.21 so I downgraded to 3.23.00 and then tried XDA Manipulator but it does not show that option (flashes and dissappears) . I cannot seem to find Radio Stacks V4.06 or 4.10 anywhere ... any help much appreciated.
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<Wallaby 5.14, ROM = 3.17.03. Radio = 3.23.00>

How did you downgrade the radio stack, please give me the method used because I know many people will be interested, I have never managed it either.
Reference your usage of the sim from 3, I cannot see it being an imei problem, as you know the xda is not 3 compatable so it will be logging you on through a 3rd party network as far as I know. If the imei was blocked it would not work with any operator here in uk. Does the 3 sim work in another phone.?

I found GERMAN Radio Stack from this forum. (REF:http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2185). The '3' network also uses O2 network. Have not tried '3' sim in another phone - will test tomorrow.[/b]

cruisin-thru said:
How did you downgrade the radio stack, please give me the method used because I know many people will be interested, I have never managed it either.
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i have downgraded a few times, but i dont know if this method will work 4 u.
if i currently have a TMO stack, ill go to a ATT stack, then i can bak to an earlier TMO, or visa versa
i only tried this with ATTs and TMOs, never had the need to try other stacks...(or should i :twisted: )

It is possible that the phone has been blocked, I have had this problem with 2 phones that I bought as faulty, I repaired them only to find that the sellers had claimed on insurance then sold the knackered phone which had been blocked by the provider.

JUICEe - I am not brave enuff to go down that route given the dire warnings from this forum in moving from UK/Europe stacks to US ones.
crusing-thru - Given that XDA works perfectly ok with 02 SIM, and '3' SIM works fine in 3' phone, I believe its something about the '3' SIM/Network and not the phone that is preventing me using it in my XDA at this time.
Tx for the interest, hope you were able to downgrade using the German stack. It works fine with O2 SIM.

It is strange though that the sim was working fine then doesnt work in xda but still works in another phone. Have you tried an orange or t mobile sim in the phone? If you are positive that 3 uses O2 as a patch network then ignore this. Have you been to bootloader and inadvertently changed gsm to 900 only, if 3 uses an 1800 network this would explain it, if you havent been to bootloader then I have no idea and if as you said the people at 3 are not interested I would consider dumping them as a service provider.

"Hutchison 3G has agreed to share network facilities owned by UK operator mmO2 to ensure rapid time to market even before its own network is complete, with customers roaming between Hutchison's limited 3G network and mmO2's existing second generation network. Hutchison's right to let customers roam with at least one existing competitor's 2G network is part of the 3G license and enforceable by law."

3 have locked the SIM, must be in one of their phones or will not work, even though it uses O2 as a voice network. Seen this problem many times, and there is nothing you can do about it. Anyone who has made it work is just lucky, and 3 will get to you in the end.
Don't ask me why they do it as to me they are restricting their own business, cos if you use your own handset, you are likely to use it more. Just ask my girlfriend who just hates her nec 606 and hardly uses it!!

Hi,
Basically what happened was that O2 complained to '3'. People were getting the cheap tarriffs from '3' and using them in 2g handsets.
O2's opinion was those people 'should' be using O2 as their provider if they are just using the 2g voice part.
'3' realised that if this becomes wide spread, although they will still make a % off the voice call in profit (after paying O2 for using their 2g network), they wont be acustoming people to using any of the 3g functions.
Really they would be hindering the progression of users from 2g to 3g, which may end up costing them alot more ultimately.
In my opinion it was most likely O2 threatening to take action too.
Really their marketing stratedgy is to give out cheap voice calls, to get the 3 phone in your hand... then they bombard u with offers to try video calls etc etc eventually 'in theory' u get used to these services.. same old story.
I havnt monitored the message, but from what i can tell they are using one of two things to stop the phones working:
1) capability messages from the phone restricting the phone from completing authentification because it isnt '3g' capable. That could be done as part of the auth process, raising the required capability to 3g.
2) Using the SAT (sim application toolkit) capability to talk to the USIM and dissable it.
Although SAT and USIM are not actually compatible, you can talk to a USIM through a SAT phone with limited functions.
If they're using (1) your **** outta luck really. But if that were the case you would expect everyone to be knocked out within the space of a month max (when they update the hlr records). Did you just get your 3 card?
If its 2.. you may be able to try an OLD handset that isnt SAT capable, just to prove the point.
I'm leaning towards (2) because i do know that on many nokia's if u type a number as soon as you boot up the phone it will work.
Also if u leave a digit on the screen.. say 0 as soon as u end that call it will still work when u dial the next number.
Clear the digit and not type one quick enough and you gotta reboot before it'll work again.
Sounds like the nokia firmware blocks access to the sim for other processes, in anticipation of reading the KC and doing an auth when u make the call.
Toxic.

My O2 -Hermes drives me crazy. Help !

Since a few weeks I have following issue with my O2 Trion:
Even though the antenna signal shows 100% strenght, I have 1 chance on 2 being unable either to make a call or to receive (same counts for SMS send/receive) When people call me, the call is forwarded directly to my voice mail like my telephone is shut of. When calling someone, I got 3X dong-dong sound without getting through
I have changed the SIM card , uninstalled a lot of applications but problem remains.
What other tests can I do to see if it is a soft or hardware problem?
The sof onboard is the original delivered on + pocketmechanic pro WM5 and Pocketmusic.
My O2 was originally German with QwertZ layout, got the 1.23.707.1 ROM, the radio version 1.06.00.10 and protocol 32.37.7010.01H.
Before I hand over my so precious tool, I wanted to know of some experts here have any suggestions?
Thanks upfront!

I've had several phones in the past that show maximum signal when actually they have virtually no signal at all!!
I wonder whether it's worth trying to limit the connection (as a test) to GSM band only, just in case you've got the band switching issue.
Start>settings>personal tab>phone>band and only selecting GSM in the drop down boxes.
Mike

mikechannon said:
I've had several phones in the past that show maximum signal when actually they have virtually no signal at all!!
I wonder whether it's worth trying to limit the connection (as a test) to GSM band only, just in case you've got the band switching issue.
Start>settings>personal tab>phone>band and only selecting GSM in the drop down boxes.
Mike
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Thanks, but I tried all options in those settings already. Auto + Auto, GSM +Auto, GSM + UMTS etc.. nothing seems to be stable. There is no rational behind to clarify this issue...
What i do notice is that when my network goes from GSM to UMTS depending of the strongest network, UMTS shows less issues( I believe)

I had similar radio problems with my German TyTN (E-Plus), that are resolved now that the device was replaced.
The E-Plus hotline confirmed there are some devices with unrepairable radio problems.
So before you or your callers go crazy with calls dropped by your TyTN or not being able to find a network or you're tired of the quick battery drain, the mediocre CPU performance or obscure crashes, get it replaced.

Would it help if I boot to another radio version only, or is it hardware related?
Issue is that O2 Trion is not supported / distributed in Taiwan (as all WM5are Chinese here)
Does someone knows if DOPOD would do the repair for a O2 XDA trion german version in another country than they distribute their devices?
Any hotline to ask?
Thanks

No, they probably won't. Upgrade the ROM, and flash the new radio. Read the wiki's and ASK FOR HELP before you do anything you are unsure of.
Follow these instructions to the letter and you'll be okay. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285586
Let me know if you have problems with the bootloader version
Good luck

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Time for a few more questions....!!
Hi,
Does your phone display the "U" (or 3G) symbol to denote that 3G coverage is available?? I looked at your website to get your location and plugged it into http://enableoci.orange.co.uk/uk/UKCoverageSearch.htm (I used the town rather than the postcode to get an overall coverage map) - it looks a bit patchy to me (for your work postcode, the local area looks pretty good); I guess it depends on whether you're using the phone at work or when you're out and about?
Do you know what radio version is on your phone; has it been updated with one of the radios and/or ROM's from this site or does it have the standard issue Orange radio? You can find out by going to Start | Settings | System tab | Device information. If the radio version is >= 1.38.x.x then you should be fine (although some people on Orange have reported that radio 1.41.x.x is not as good as 1.40.x.x - opinions vary ).
Do you or any colleagues have another Orange 3G phone that works where yours doesn't?? We need to establish whether the problem is just with your phone or whether it is in fact related to the 3G coverage generally.
Let me know how you get on
Mark.

Hi Mark,
My mission is to get this phone working on Vodafone 3g. I was testing Orange to see if it was a network problem.
I am now at my office and when in phone mode it now displays
UMTS Orange and the 3g signal, calls and browsing are now allowed!!
Here is the device info:
Rom Version 2.11.255.1
ROm Date 03/07/07
Radio 1.38.00.10
Protocol Version 32.71.7020.12H
ExtRom 2.11.255.104
I am just waiting to get a Vodafone 3g Sim Card to test, to see if it was only a matter of location.
Many Thanks
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Have you tried the radio engineering test application?

I had a similar problem using my Vodafone with an O2 SIM card. I'd installed the O2 settings cab but still the data stuff wouldn't work.
The problem turned out to be that the data connection was still trying to use the Vodafone settings. To resolve this I installed Daniel Herrero's Bandswitch. This allows me to disable connection settings and only leave the settings active for the current SIM.

change teh sim card possible?

Gentlemen / ladies
first off i would like to thank this site for all its help so far , i have installed colonels rom and i am delighted with it , however i have a small question.
i purchased the sprint mogul while visiting the states last week as i needed a pda and it seemed to fit all my desires , however upon bringing it home i noticed that there was no simcard slot so i cant use it here in Ireland (we seem to be a bit behind the times ) spoke to a rep here and i was told the simcard is inbuilt and it would need to go back to htc to be changed , now that isnt really feasible at the moment so i was wondering if it was possible for me to change it out or if that is even possible , i dont mind taking it apart but i can find no info on where the sim goes or if there even is one , sooooooo just wondering is it possible ?
thanks again for all the help i have recived from other threads on upgrading and thanks to the colonel for releasing a class rom
regards

To the best of my knowledge, CDMA phones don't use sim cards at all. I could be wrong.

excaliburhc said:
Gentlemen / ladies
first off i would like to thank this site for all its help so far , i have installed colonels rom and i am delighted with it , however i have a small question.
i purchased the sprint mogul while visiting the states last week as i needed a pda and it seemed to fit all my desires , however upon bringing it home i noticed that there was no simcard slot so i cant use it here in Ireland (we seem to be a bit behind the times ) spoke to a rep here and i was told the simcard is inbuilt and it would need to go back to htc to be changed , now that isnt really feasible at the moment so i was wondering if it was possible for me to change it out or if that is even possible , i dont mind taking it apart but i can find no info on where the sim goes or if there even is one , sooooooo just wondering is it possible ?
thanks again for all the help i have recived from other threads on upgrading and thanks to the colonel for releasing a class rom
regards
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Uh, for in Ireland you have a paperweight. There is no CDMA outside North America. There is no sim in the Mogul, and nothing in it can be reprogrammed to make it work on GSM. The entire radio portion of the phone is made for CDMA and specifically Sprint.
Sorry, but you'd be better off ebaying it and getting a GSM device.

ScottC said:
There is no CDMA outside North America.
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To my knowledge, this statement isn't entirely true, as I believe that South Korea and maybe China has CDMA networks...but I could be wrong...
Everything else you stated is right on though!

Oh boy.
In a nutshell:
2 major types of wireless protocols:
GSM and CDMA.
GSM is a sim-card based allowing phone portability, and exists on a world-wide market. The sim card contains your identity, and switching it into another phone causes your identity to follow.
CDMA is phone-based, meaning every phone has a unique ID that broadcasts to the tower. That ID (sort of like the VIN number on a car) exists on only your phone, and represents your ID on the network. This actually existed long before GSM and SIM-cards, and is at a bit of a disadvantage because you can't switch phones whenver you want. Your provider has to switch it for you.
Here in the US, we have both CDMA and GSM networks now, however CDMA has been around longer, and so it is still arguably the more common technology. Lately, GSM has been catching up, but over in Europe GSM has always been around and CDMA is virtually non-existant.
Living in Ireland, I beleive that all networks are GSM, which means SIM-card based. So, you probably didn't know that there were other types of technology that weren't compatible! If anything, we here in the US are "behind the times" because we're still using an antiquated ID system as opposed to SIM cards!
HTC makes a GSM version of these devices as well, which you should consider. They are known as the Tytn and the Kaiser (our Mogul/Titan sort of comes in between, although most closely resembling the Kaiser in hardware). Next time you want to buy a phone in the US, make sure its GSM and unlocked first!
Hope this clears things up!

You should have 30 days to send back the mogul and get out of your contract. The phone will not work outside of North America. Take a look at the HTC Kaiser,its also sold as the AT&T Tilt. Its a GSM device that is very similar to the Mogul.

If you told Sprint that you were going to be going back to Ireland, I wonder why they didn't sell you the Samsung IP-830W, which works on the Sprint CDMA network in the states, but can be used on GSM/GPRS networks everyplace else.
If you can't get a full refund, maybe you can exchange the Mogul for that?
I think it's a little behind the times, but the IP830 is a pretty good phone and has a smaller slide out QWERTY keyboard.

thank you for the information , just need to find that damn receipt now and give radioshack a call , see about a swap for the tilt ,
regards

sigghhh
well it seems radioshack cant help . unless i brought it back to the store i purchased it in , and that cant really happen .
anywhoooo thanks all for the help ,
but i have just one other ,
is it possible to synq my titan with another type of phone i.e nokia 6610 and have the titan act as the handsfree ? via bluetooth?
basically like the satnavs where you have the dialer but it uses your phone to connect , seems like a strange request but this would at least allow me to use the phone features
thanks in advance

htc elf network connection problem in turkey

please can anybody help me. i bought one htc elf in dubai and i went then to turkey am trying to make it work in turkey but in vain. it is always searching for network and not finding anything.

have you tried flashing a different radio? Or, have you go into phone settings and tried to select a network manually?

i couldn't upgrade my radio version it is always arriving 79%, stopping and giving error.

Whats the error, make sure to post as much information as possible, people wold be able to help better then.
Have you checked the error codes in the ROM section?
Stu

no actually am sorry but i did not know about that section before. so it is error 270.

thanks actually i found that error solution but nothing changed still my phone is searching for network in vain. even am trying to find a network manually it is writing cannot read settings from the network try viewing settings later or disconnect data connection and try again.

where did you buy the phone from in dubai? Was it from a market etc or a store? It could be blacklisted in turkey? Just thinking that could be a possibility.

i bought from jumbo electronics in dubai it is a distributer of consumer electronics. so what can we do if it is blacklisted.

i doubt it would be blacklisted if from a shop. If it is blacklisted, theres pretty much nothing you can do about it, apart from change the imei - which may well be illegal, i know it is here in the UK.

mm is there any way to change the imei like software.

for that, i would not help. you can however search forums to see if you can find anything for it.
google checkmend as well, that tells if the phone is blacklisted etc, but maybe only for us and uk, not sure. costs $2.99 USD though.

actually there is something strange i have one sim card from UAE, when i use it the signal of network is coming and when i put any sim in Turkey no signal is coming. do you think it is blacklisted?

the turkey sim may not be registered? I wouldn't be able to say if it is blacklisted - i'm still learning these phones too

About IMEI
If you bring a cell phone from out of Turkey you need to register it in cell shop called like "Turkcell Extra".
You need your phone and your passport. The personal'll look at the dates in your passport and check the invoice date in shop after he/she will register your phone to Turkey Network. after a copule of days you can use it complately...

to my knowledge it may be because of the the frequency of the signal u r receiving in ur country. elf and elfin are triband phones.. they dont have a frequency range of 850 Mhz .. may be ur provider is giving the signal in that frequency.. try with gsm sim of other service provider may be it will help u...

thanks alot but i think my phone now is blacklisted cause as i remember i came to turkey before long time and it was working but now it is not anymore even i tried different sim cards like vodafone and turkcell but in vain. i have other phone am using now and i registered it on my passport it is working but i want to use my elf actually i dont wanna use other phone cause i love that phone that is all.

first unlock your device, then install the newest radio.