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hi, I'd like to know if you can use the sd card and say partition it so that you can make your xda exec device use the storage on it as programe memory so it speeds the device up. this really is a fab device, but it really lacks the memory capacity that I had on a blue angel.
I have a 1gb sd card and don't mind loosing any storage space to accomplish this. if there isn't a way, can someone try and find a reg tweek for this....
anyway, I leave it with you...
cheers.
joey jojo
I think this is something which should be taken as a clue by developers who make programs such as Memaid, Pocket Mechanic, etc and include this as a a feature. Maybe the concept will be something similar to the Virtual Memory on a regular windows pc.
You are absolutely right, I too really miss the shortage of program memory. I can never open a really complicated web page with lots of images in Netfront before I get the dreadful warning that I have run out of program memory.
I hope some developer picks this up and incorporates this as a feature. I am sure this will increase his sales many many times.
Regards
you can put your internet explorer's cache on the sd-card...
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders\Cache]
change cache from '\windows\profiles\guest\temporari internet files' to '\SD_MMCard' to achieve this...
however you'll notice that it only slows your device incredibly down if your SD-Card is not set up right
see also http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50301
There is just no way a third party program can add this. On the windows mobile team blog, there's a post from a few months back talking about doing virtual mem on the SD card, and basically, it's just not in the OS and won't be until at least WM6, and third-party programs can't do it.
JasperJanssen said:
There is just no way a third party program can add this. On the windows mobile team blog, there's a post from a few months back talking about doing virtual mem on the SD card, and basically, it's just not in the OS and won't be until at least WM6, and third-party programs can't do it.
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Those are very disappointing news...
Speaking of memory management and the OS itself..I really wonder during the development of WM5, did they try to come up with a better OS, or just building up upon WM2003.
Reason why I say this is my Universal crashed yesterday, and a look into the "Memory" panel in the Settings showed the OLD memory management screen along with the sliders and all... :lol:
Looks like the developers got lazy and just placed a panel on top of the old one :lol:
Ehh.. You guys want to be buying new SD cards every third month?
Flash memory like the SD cards have only a limited number of write operations before they fail.
Using them for storage is good, because you don't write to the cards that much.
Using them as memory would totally screw up the card in a rather short time.
And, I think using SD card for program memory would result in a slower application, because of the read/write speed of the SD compared to the RAM..
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3 months is just a figure of speach..
I have no idea of how much time it would take before failure occurs..
It would probably result in slower and slower performance, because some sectors would be worn out faster than others..
What you say about the writes before failure is right, but when you are faced with a £300 PDA that has the same amount of RAM as my little finger, you have to do something.
SD cards are cheap enough these days, and money grows on trees. I'd rather be able to leave programs open and not worry about how much it will slow the machine down to have more that three big apps running than I would be about coughing up for a new SD card every 3 months.
I have seen a 4GB card on Ebay for less than £80, Tescos sell 1GB for £30 these days.
The great thing about Tescos is their guarantee. You buy the card, write it to death, take it back for a full refund, no questions asked.
I fiddled around with my wm6'd hx4700 (thanks kuzuhara!) and a registry editor and found a way to make it regard SD as ram and xip from it.
This renders my device to achieve usage smooth enough i allow myself to reffer to the device as a mini-umpc^_^
For SD only atm, miniSD may or may not work depending on your devices driver. No MMC for the time being.
I sooooo hope this isn't old news
Here's to me not ****ing any of your devices up, it worked wonders for me.
P.S
IMPORTANT!
Delete the Program Files folder and reset again once you see the SD's been renamed to Program Files2.
On the next boot it'll mount as Program Files and everything will load from it.
Excuse me, my brains are stuck in google translator mode
4.11.2007
It seems i was rather in the wrong and am taking a whole new direction.
One which involves reading more carefully before i charge head into the guts of windows embedded.
Will take me a while until next post, and it might become hx4700 exclusive, but i promise you some cool stuff to come yet.
Anybody wanting to make their SD into Program Files to save space,
just start resco reg editor and change hklm\System\StorageManager\Profiles\SDMemory\Folder: Program Files.
(Originally is SD Card).
You can also try messing with it, making it into diffenent sys folders, just be careful
Mine is currently application cache (Volatile) and [email protected] Files.
(Running sweet with what i got to with the enablement of complete graphics accelaration, except for a minor hang up when returning from sleep).
Sooooooooooo...
ONLY DOWNLOAD AND APPLY THE CURRENT PATCH IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR'E DOING AND WANT TO GIVE BEATING ME TO IT A SHOT!
I'm hoping for a next release in a day, but not necessarily of this project but of an off-chute.
BTW, is it just me or is WM real *nix like?^^
anyone tried this ?
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anyone tried this ?
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Downloaded, but waiting to see what others think.
Want to know what it does to the SD card and device as the readme does say to move the devices contents of its program files folder to the sd card?????
downloaded it too. but i notice its his forst post.
Lol... it's my first post, sorry..
All it does is make the device call the card drive "Program Files" and set a swap file that's used as most device memory (don't worry, it's faster than most none-nand flash). i had to leave a small buffer in device memory though.
The memory file is unallocated, so just don't forget to leave 528MB free at all times.
Re-read the original post
It is and will be updated with periodic updates should they come.
I've been using it for 72 hours now.
It takes the odd reset to free up memory, but nothing worst than what we had before.
well if all thing got wrong.. anyway to revert it back?.. well ofcourse hard reset is one of it. uhmm.. lets put hardreset aside first..
well.. cant wait to test this.. i made a whole backup of my registry so if thing went wrong.. ill just restore the registry backup..
Good point doube_ofour.
Just export the StorageManager registry key before applying the changes, and if worst comes to worst restore your backed up original.
So, anybody else installed and can connect to tell the tale?
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So, anybody else installed and can connect to tell the tale?
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I made a cab with the regs and installed it But I'm still experimenting .. Nothing bad happened so far how do i know the device is faster ?!! how did you measured your device's speed ?
So let me get this straight -- it will use the microSD in my TyTN as RAM -- the icky sticky stuff I run out of because internet explorer, pocket player, and spb mobile shell grab it all for themselves?
Is there any way to specify how much of the SD card is used as RAM -- since I don't really need 1 GB of RAM on my device.
I saw your post about 558 MB free but didn't quite understand it. You also said you need the odd softreset to free memory? but why would you need to free up a few MB when you have access to hundreds?
But thanks for sharing with the community -- if this really does work out well for us, that's pretty freaking amazing.
@DuperMan
Does this hack simply make our "Storage Card" transform into "Program Files"?.. Thats it?.. cant see any speed improvement.. besides my memory usage increased by that means my device will perform slow..
My "Program Memory and Storage Memory" Stays the same as 47mb total on both memory..
Exactly Ragart!
Only it's set to use miniSD, i think you'd have to mess with it a little to make it work on miniSD... if response is good i'll make a mini version.
Remember - It's only been tested on wm6 hx4700!
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@DuperMan
Does this hack simply make our "Storage Card" transform into "Program Files"?.. Thats it?.. cant see any speed improvement.. besides my memory usage increased by that means my device will perform slow..
My "Program Memory and Storage Memory" Stays the same as 47mb total on both memory..
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in my case my program memory decreased by something around 10mb ! and I can't see any improvement in speed too ...
miniSD, hmm? Well that's the slightly-larger brother of my 1GB MicroSD. So I guess I'll just watch the thread and see others' reactions before I try anything (though I do have fullbackups)
Thanks for the quick response. So how much RAM does your hx4700 'have' now? and did you set it to 558 extra for a reason? Just curious questions from a person who doesn't understand the intricacies of reg editing
@doube_ofour:
Use it for a while, constant usage should be smoother. Did you free the space up by deleting the old Program Files as well?
Use it to surf for a while, multiple windows style, and you'll notice the difference.
Also, don't be mean to my hack Don't load it to spite, wait for each app to load and keep on starting apps without (majorly) worrying about a system crash.
@hma4:
The age old method of feel
It doesn't boost anything per say, but your device shouldn't be as compaction ridden as it was, so less mem degradation over time=more time between resets under heavy work loads. and i mean heavy. also, multi-tasking is MUCH more usable.
@ragart:
I set it to have a 512Mb paging area on the SD, plus 512kb in main for caching and another 16Mb for caching on SD, so that's a total of 528.5Mb overall mem, 16.5Mb cache and half a gig paging (good for them internet chaches etc..
i check on the registry that u have made in ur reg hack. seems like all the folders etc is the same even for a miniSD card ... so do u think it will work on miniSD too?
I am not sure if this is the proper section for such advice but I am seeking help with my t mobile wing which I believe is considered part of the herald? heh..
So here's the deal..I had this phone for a year now with no custom addons to it..but lately...my wing has been running so slow up to the point where I can't answer calls on time or takes so long to load..I just rebooted my phone and was wondering if anyone in steps can direct me anything I can do to make my phone run more smooth,customizable and being able to clean it properly..
I used to have battery status with the overclock on MHZ and memmaid..but I realized mem maid was a paid program so I was shady about putting my credit card... I also was trying to get touch flo installed..but I can't find the Ruu anywhere..I must be doing something wrong lol
layl0ww said:
I am not sure if this is the proper section for such advice but I am seeking help with my t mobile wing which I believe is considered part of the herald? heh..
So here's the deal..I had this phone for a year now with no custom addons to it..but lately...my wing has been running so slow up to the point where I can't answer calls on time or takes so long to load..I just rebooted my phone and was wondering if anyone in steps can direct me anything I can do to make my phone run more smooth,customizable and being able to clean it properly..
I used to have battery status with the overclock on MHZ and memmaid..but I realized mem maid was a paid program so I was shady about putting my credit card... I also was trying to get touch flo installed..but I can't find the Ruu anywhere..I must be doing something wrong lol
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First things first, some things you'll need to know:
RUU: Stock Operating System (ROM)
ROM: Phone Operating System
CAB: Application Installer File
Flash: Reformat your phone with a new ROM.
SuperCID: Unlocks the device to allow flashing of non-stock and custom ROMs.
USPL: Allows you to temporary SuperCID your device to enable flashing using a Flash Center Utility in Windows. You cannot use LZX compressed ROMs, and you cannot flash ROMs requiring an SD Card.
HardSPL: Permanently (Well Almost) SuperCIDs your device to allow you to flash any ROM of any type, as long as it is a Herald/Wing ROM. You can flash using SD card, or through a Flash Center. I say it is almost permanent because it can be reversed.
Next:
I suggest you use a whole new ROM on your phone. T-Mobile's stock ROM is so bogged down with useless crap it takes forever to do anything. Plus, most custom ROMs already come with at least TouchFlo kinetic scrolling.
You are going to need to backup your Contacts, Photos, etc. You can do this manually, or you can use Microsoft MyPhone to do this automatically.
Next you are going to need to flash your device with a ROM, but first you have to find a ROM.
http://thewingster.com/ivanmmj.aspx
If you go there you can find screenshots of two ROMs I suggest you try first. JustStable is a stable ROM based off of Windows Mobile 6.1. It's pretty fast, but its more of a simple kind of ROM without the flashy features. JustHome is a ROM based off of Windows Mobile 6.5. It is what I am currently using. The ROM is really good and it's got a lot of flashy stuff, and it is a lot more finger friendly.
Next you need to Flash your device: I suggest you use the USPL method for flashing because it poses less danger to your device. You can find steps for USPL flashing on this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3903811&postcount=2 .
After you flash: You may find that you are missing some T-Mobile things you used before like MMS, MyFaves on homescreen, or the T-Mobile IM client.
MMS: Ivan decided not to include MMS in his ROMs because some people complained they didn't work (SMS still works though). Don't worry, you can still get MMS to work. Follow these steps on this page: http://thewingster.com/arcsoftmms.aspx
MyFaves: Don't worry about missing the MyFaves, you will still get all calls to the 5 people free if they are on your list. You can change them on your my.t-mobile.com site.
T-Mobile IM: If you have a data plan, I wouldn't suggest you use this at all. If you don't have a data plan, T-Mobile IM is one of the few applications that can use AIM through SMS, so you don't have to pay extra (assuming you have unlimited text/picture messaging).
You can find other useful Cabs on the link in my signature.
First thing to do is use that search thingy at the top of your screen.
raptoro07 said:
First thing to do is use that search thingy at the top of your screen.
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And end up following a guide for another phone... Good idea, good way to brick his phone.
Heh yea I was up all night searching stuff since it does look a bit unorganized here with 07-08 material..but I think I figured out some of the basics, now if I change my rom..will that be a permanent change? I know windows is a terrible idea for the wing to begin with but I would like to mess around with a few in the future to my liking
I went and installed some cabs into my phone and I love it, I did some of the basic registry inputs as well and my phone is managing so smooth heh.
But I am still left with odd numbers compared to what other roms offered(maybe cause of windows?) I have 11.12 mb free in storage out of 31.44 20.32 in use and 49.89 total in program 38.01 in use and 11.88 free.. :s but thanks for the guide I am gonna keep searching around..I just need to finally buy myself a micro SD to help me move those roms over.
layl0ww said:
Heh yea I was up all night searching stuff since it does look a bit unorganized here with 07-08 material..but I think I figured out some of the basics, now if I change my rom..will that be a permanent change? I know windows is a terrible idea for the wing to begin with but I would like to mess around with a few in the future to my liking
I went and installed some cabs into my phone and I love it, I did some of the basic registry inputs as well and my phone is managing so smooth heh.
But I am still left with odd numbers compared to what other roms offered(maybe cause of windows?) I have 11.12 mb free in storage out of 31.44 20.32 in use and 49.89 total in program 38.01 in use and 11.88 free.. :s but thanks for the guide I am gonna keep searching around..I just need to finally buy myself a micro SD to help me move those roms over.
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If you want to go back to factory defaults, you would just flash the T-Mobile Stock ROM. You can either get that from T-Mobiles website or from here.
Your Program memory is essentially your RAM, and your Storage Memory is how much space you have left to install programs. 11.88 is not good at all for leftover RAM, and this number will not change by adding a storage card. JustStable gets about 24mb free RAM, JustHome gets around 17mb of free RAM...
All ROMs are based on Windows Mobile, including the current one. Some are just based on newer versions than others. The current one you are on is Windows Mobile 6.0. JustStable is based on Windows Mobile 6.1. JustHome is based on Windows Mobile 6.5. The reason you have low levels of Program memory and RAM are based on a few factors. T-Mobile overloads their ROMs with crap, most of which you probably don't use and it's all pretty out-dated. Also, any applications you may have installed thinking it will speed up the phone, just cost more space. And since a lot of applications won't run properly if you install them to a storage card, you have to limit your list of programs to the ones you use the most.
The cooked ROMs on these forums are just cleaned up versions of the same ROM you have on your phone now, so the applications you love on your phone now, you can install on a cooked ROMs. And the ones you don't use, you don't have to install. I can promise you, however, once you flash one of these stock ROMs, you won't ever want to go back.
if you haven't flashed a rom yet you can watch 1 on youtube before you attempt it. dangerous but well worth it. i'm running 6.5 and its spectacular. i'm still learning though.
apreichner said:
If you want to go back to factory defaults, you would just flash the T-Mobile Stock ROM. You can either get that from T-Mobiles website or from here.
Your Program memory is essentially your RAM, and your Storage Memory is how much space you have left to install programs. 11.88 is not good at all for leftover RAM, and this number will not change by adding a storage card. JustStable gets about 24mb free RAM, JustHome gets around 17mb of free RAM...
All ROMs are based on Windows Mobile, including the current one. Some are just based on newer versions than others. The current one you are on is Windows Mobile 6.0. JustStable is based on Windows Mobile 6.1. JustHome is based on Windows Mobile 6.5. The reason you have low levels of Program memory and RAM are based on a few factors. T-Mobile overloads their ROMs with crap, most of which you probably don't use and it's all pretty out-dated. Also, any applications you may have installed thinking it will speed up the phone, just cost more space. And since a lot of applications won't run properly if you install them to a storage card, you have to limit your list of programs to the ones you use the most.
The cooked ROMs on these forums are just cleaned up versions of the same ROM you have on your phone now, so the applications you love on your phone now, you can install on a cooked ROMs. And the ones you don't use, you don't have to install. I can promise you, however, once you flash one of these stock ROMs, you won't ever want to go back.
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So you would recommend getting juststable then? I probably won't get that till I get my micro sd ordered unless it can go in right now, now is there a limit to what I can get? I was hearing you can get 6gigs, but I am hearing 4 is the limit from sandisk, someone can confirm it? also...with the HTC skin, is there a way to adjust the weather temp from C to F instead?
layl0ww said:
So you would recommend getting juststable then? I probably won't get that till I get my micro sd ordered unless it can go in right now, now is there a limit to what I can get? I was hearing you can get 6gigs, but I am hearing 4 is the limit from sandisk, someone can confirm it? also...with the HTC skin, is there a way to adjust the weather temp from C to F instead?
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You don't need an SD card to flash a ROM using the Flash Center tutorial I gave you, unless the ROM is LZX or a Micro ROM. You just need to backup your contacts, photos, etc. You can do this using a utility from Microsoft called MyPhone . It will backup your data to a secure place online, and then when you flash the new ROM, you'll reinstall MyPhone (Unless you use JustHome, in which case MyPhone comes with it) and it will sync all of your data back to the device. Or you can do all of this manually as well.
It really depends on what you like... If you prefer a more finger friendly flashy ROM, use JustHome. If you prefer more RAM, use JustStable. I am personally willing to sacrifice some RAM for JustHome. But to really find what you like, you have to try it out.
www.newegg.com . You can order an SDHC card, it should be supported up to 16gb now. 8gb are pretty cheap though, 20-30 dollars. Sandisk also sells a couple 8 and 16gb SDHC cards. Although Kingston might be cheaper.
If you need any further help, please feel free to PM me with any questions you have. I check the forum pretty often, so I'll get back to you pretty quickly.
Hello ppl,
Have one question please.
I cooked my own ROM and after fresh install, i got results for memory as per attached - no tasks running.
Is that good / bad, compared to a stock usage after fresh install ?
What is the "normal" usage after fresh install, can someone post actual figures ?
Brgds,
Radu
Hi Radu
By memory i dont know if u mean RAM or ROM,but if its RAM your result is good,if its ROM memory you can free up some more by removing apps like opera,office,google maps,copilot and to install them on storage card.
Hi Tzaca,
Thanks for fast reply, but..
"Good" is not just enough, i was looking for actual figures to judge a clear comparison. Spent a lot of time cooking and removing / adding various things, but i forgot to measure it it up, before. That was the question for.
Anyway, card installing is not an really good option except iGO, rest should live happily in phone mem, it's faster this way.
Can you post your figures ? just for quick comparison.
Brgds,
Radu
hi again...
by "good" i meant that 133MB is the best you can get out of that phone,even i couldnt get so much lol
as about card installing..i'm not agree with you..more stuff u will install on internal memory,slower your phone will be...and i say this from my experience,but of course you can install things where u want
it doesnt have sense to post screenshots of my phone RAM because i installed apps like CHT and of course RAM will be smaller than yours after fresh install,but i get around 120 MB RAM after soft reset.
btw..i didnt experience any slow running apps which i have installed on SD card,i dont think that phone ROM memory can go faster than my card which is 4 MB/s r/w ,so your argument is not relevant
Hi Tzaca,
Hehe, 133~135 Mb RAM, at the expense of a Manila free phone...
Not planning to use CHT or similar stuff like that, but to find a workable wp7 theme, would be enough for me.
I'm quite used to ideea of installing stuff on card - first WInMo device i had was a FS Loox - however i do not like it except beeing forced to - iGo+maps is too big for phone mem. I use card for music, photo, movie, as a suppoort for stuff... is not neccesarily the card rating @ 4/6 class, but it's actual speed within the system, R/W using phone mem is definitely faster that card...
Thanks anyway for prompt answer.
Best regards,
Radu
Before I posted this, I did some searches, did some reading, and then hit myself with a big stick repeatedly for you just to get that out of the way!
First, I am old.
Second, I am new to the smart phones.
I have a HTC HD2 from T-Mobile. I was not able to get into the Android Market, and was wondering what I was doing wrong. First thing I read was about a SD card. I looked, and, Nope no SD card. So I will be going to pick one up tomorrow, what size would be best? Then I read about moving the Android file to the SD card. I looked and could not find a Android File. Hmmmmm. If there is a Android File, where would it be?
Here are the stats for my phone, maybe I can't load Android, I don't know.
It has Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional,
the OS Version is 5.2.21913,
Manial version is 2.5.20181424.0
ROM version is 3.14.531.1 WWE
ROM Date is 09/29/2010
Radio Version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version is 15.42.50.11U
I really like the phone, but thought it would be nice to get some nice apps from the android store. Any help, and advice is more than welcome Just don't tell me to sell the HTC and buy a Jitterbug phone!!
Thanks again, Bob
TMO US or EU?
This is the US version my carrier is T-Mobile.
to speak about what a good sd card it would really be useful if we knew how you use your phone. if you store a lot of files/folders/pics/roms etc on your sd card and transfer them often to your computer i would suggest buying a 8gb class 6 or higher but if you dont store a ton of info on your sd card and dont transfer your files over often you could get away with a 4gb class 2-4. you can get them on ebay really cheap, i found a 8gb class 10 for under $15 but if you buy a sd card off ebay make sure you test the card because there are a lot of sellers out there that have a memory hack which will make the sd card say its a 8gb when really its only a 3-4gb. i have not had that problem with any name brand like sandisk, trancend, pny, kingston or samsung.
Thanks for the info.
talking about apps i would start with appmonster..free on the market. it will backup your apks onto your sd card which i find very useful.
1 way i find cool apps is by looking at some of the icon requests. people wouldnt request an icon for something they dont find useful so i think thats a good starting point. another way is by going to the market on your pc, found here. i like it a lot better because i feel you can view it better, quicker plus you can hit the install button and it will install it directly to your phone.
i could give a breif list of some apps i like but what i like and what you like may differ greatly. there are apps that suggest other apps based on what you have installed but right this second i cant remember the name. i will try & find out and edit this post when i do.
AppAware found here
Appsfire found here
Best Apps Market found here
all of these apps will show you some of the best apps found on the market. it can be a bug to sort through some apps that are really a waste of space.
Bob Davis said:
Before I posted this, I did some searches, did some reading, and then hit myself with a big stick repeatedly for you just to get that out of the way!
First, I am old.
Second, I am new to the smart phones.
I have a HTC HD2 from T-Mobile. I was not able to get into the Android Market, and was wondering what I was doing wrong. First thing I read was about a SD card. I looked, and, Nope no SD card. So I will be going to pick one up tomorrow, what size would be best? Then I read about moving the Android file to the SD card. I looked and could not find a Android File. Hmmmmm. If there is a Android File, where would it be?
Here are the stats for my phone, maybe I can't load Android, I don't know.
It has Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional,
the OS Version is 5.2.21913,
Manial version is 2.5.20181424.0
ROM version is 3.14.531.1 WWE
ROM Date is 09/29/2010
Radio Version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version is 15.42.50.11U
I really like the phone, but thought it would be nice to get some nice apps from the android store. Any help, and advice is more than welcome Just don't tell me to sell the HTC and buy a Jitterbug phone!!
Thanks again, Bob
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Hiya Bob,
...a Jitterbug phone, huh? I think you're even older than me. As long as you're not too old to learn a few new tricks then... you shouldn't have any problems. You're going to have to have some patience and take your time if, by your own admission... you're new to smartphones. You have A LOT of reading to do.
If I'm understanding this correctly - You don't have an Android phone yet. You have a stock (as opposed to customized) T-Mobile HD2. It natively runs WM6.5, and ships with an eight or sixteen MB SD card already installed. It's not an Android phone. YOU would have to install the Android OS onto the phone first. No wonder you didn't have access to the Android market. If you're in the USA - your HD2 would have had the Transformers movies, and a number of demo WM apps & games, installed on the SD card. The fact that you don't have an SD card installed doesn't really matter. I would guess you bought yours pre-owned from some idiot who kept the card and didn't provide a copy.
(as an aside), I bought my USA HD2 pre-owned also. The seller (I'm guessing) kept the 16MB card, but at least he provided a 8MB card with all the files copied over. --- You're not missing anything that you can't get back. Much of it 'junk' but the movies are pretty cool.
I see you've already had some reco's on what to buy for an SD. Depending upon your media needs, I'd suggest at least, an 8MB card. I replaced mine with a 16MB class 4 card. It's working well.
Personally... I flashed my own HD2 with one of the custom WM6.5.x ROMs on this site. It's far better than the stock phones ROM. The only thing that can't run is the Blockbuster app (for silly reasons I can't get into here). What I really wanted was to be able to run the Netflix app... and this was accomplished by installing one of the Android SD ROM versions. It took me some time and research to understand just how... but it's all do-able.
I'm assuming you're going to keep your HD2 as a Windows mobile phone (although you don't necessarily have to). You could flash your HD2 with an Android NAND ROM... but that would wipeout Windows Mobile, and I wouldn't suggest that route for you just yet. Installing Android on an SD card isn't difficult... and it works a trick! But you do have some reading to do. Have fun with it. -Rob
Thanks for the reply Rob, Yes, I am new to smart phones, but am open to learning. I got the phone through T-Mobile, it was a refurb unit, and there was no SD card. It did have the Transformer movies on it.
I will be picking up a SD card probably tomorrow, I will be going with a 16MB.
So from what I have understood so far, is that the phone is not a android, and currently runs on a windows platform. So could I install Android on the SD card and keep windows also? What system would be running? I guess there is a lot to learn, but I am recently retired, and have nothing but time. If you have anything you suggest I should read, let me know.
Bob
thats correct, its winmo by default. i would take a look at this post which will explain all you need to know about flashing android to your htc hd2. also you can install RunDroid found here which will allow you to dualboot into either winmo or android from your sd.
Bob Davis said:
Thanks for the reply Rob, Yes, I am new to smart phones, but am open to learning. I got the phone through T-Mobile, it was a refurb unit, and there was no SD card. It did have the Transformer movies on it.
I will be picking up a SD card probably tomorrow, I will be going with a 16MB.
So from what I have understood so far, is that the phone is not a android, and currently runs on a windows platform. So could I install Android on the SD card and keep windows also? What system would be running? I guess there is a lot to learn, but I am recently retired, and have nothing but time. If you have anything you suggest I should read, let me know.
Bob
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(I'm guessing again - and I'm curious), If you see an icon in the Start Menu for Transformers... that's only a link to open the movies... that's not actually the movies themselves... but see for yourself. Click the link. What happens? The movies themselves are 1.3 and 1.4GB (gigabytes) and are stored on the SD card. If you have no SD card from TMOUS, where are the actual movie files? In RAM? In ROM? I don't think so... Let me know.
I'm a long time WM user and I won't yet give up WM6.5. I like it a lot and need it. I still activesync everything with my Outlook desktop, running XP on the PC. I haven't yet migrated to Windows 7 (and don't plan to for a while). WP7 on the handheld doesn't do it for me, but I wanted to try Android.
It IS very different from WM, and I'm still not entirely comfortable with it but I am comfortable with technology and so it's an ongoing somewhat fun learning experience. Android DOES have some strong advantages...
I think (guessing again - but I'm pretty certain) that Android would be at its absolute best running from NAND... but then, goodbye WM. And I'm not willing to completely rely on Android for my needs. Besides, I really do enjoy having my HD2 be a WM phone AND an Android phone, depending upon what I choose to do ATM. So if like me... you're unwilling to completely give up windows mobile, your only choice would be to run it from the SD card. I can only suggest that you start reading the Android subforums; specifically the HD2 Android SD Development forum.
Android would boot via Magldr or via a dual boot program like Exceller (which I use), from inside of windows mobile... you'll have to read-up on these things. Speed isn't a problem. It runs very well & fast. The only downside to SD is that battery life isn't the greatest. But so what? Get yourself one or two spare batteries. The upside is that you have two OS's... you get to have your cake and eat it too (if you know what I mean).
Rob
Thanks for the links, the Dualboot is what I thought might be involved. I will start reading in the morning!
Rob,
When I first got my HD2, I had it for about four months, and started having some issues with it. I had watched the movies on it, but when I sent it back I must have sent the SD card with it. I am new to this remember!! When I try to bring the movie up it says file not found. Surprise, it was on the SD card.
I will keep windows also, and run the Android on the SD card. I don't do a lot of fancy stuff on my HD2, but am still learning.
Bob
also with RunDroid you can keep many different android (sd) roms on your sd card and can choose at random which android you would like to boot. i would check out this link, it will show you all the android roms found here on XDA. i find it a lot more easier to look at instead of trying to go through countless pages and reading about each rom. the link will give you some basic info about each one like if its a sd or nand version, when it was posted/updated, if it has sence or not & some other info that could be useful.
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also with RunDroid you can keep many different android (sd) roms on your sd card and can choose at random which android you would like to boot. i would check out this link, it will show you all the android roms found here on XDA. i find it a lot more easier to look at instead of trying to go through countless pages and reading about each rom. the link will give you some basic info about each one like if its a sd or nand version, when it was posted/updated, if it has sence or not & some other info that could be useful.
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+1 (what I used) Great suggestion!
Thanks, The reading will start today, it may take some time, but I feel I will get there.
...and just a clarification. I'd also used HTC HD2 Android Roms/Builds, as a good place to compare and research different Android offerings. Ultimately, I went with what appeared to be the most widely used SD ROM. I don't know if it's the best one (that's always a personal choice born of trial and experience)... but it seems to work well. Honestly, I'm just getting my feet wet with Android. Not yet up to running multiple OS's on my card... maybe one of these days, so haven't yet tried Rundroid. I have flashed a number of different WM 6.5 roms. For me, WM is easy. I'm finding Android - on the surface, a lot of fun, but under the hood... I'm still somewhat dazed and confused.
All the links and suggestions have been a big help, I am still reading at this point. One other question I have is, when I start to install the Android ROM, if I screw up can I still just do a hard reset to be able to start over? I don't really have anything on the phone other than phone numbers. Basicly I have been using it as a phone, and light internet news browsing.
Thanks!
Bob Davis said:
All the links and suggestions have been a big help, I am still reading at this point. One other question I have is, when I start to install the Android ROM, if I screw up can I still just do a hard reset to be able to start over? I don't really have anything on the phone other than phone numbers. Basically I have been using it as a phone, and light internet news browsing.
Thanks!
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ROM's on the SD card, installation is on the SD card, so don't worry about hard resetting the phone... and even if you had to, it's all pretty easy. No worries. Read-up on dual booting and format the card prior to starting the process.
Thanks Rob, just got back from picking up a SD card, wound up getting a 8MB, no 16's in the store. Do I format the card on the phone or my PC? I assume the phone.