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Jasjar/Universal: Too many bugs ??

I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?

Spb pocketplus may not be supported by wm05?.Perhaps the next release will work though as i'm getting either the wizard or universal so I hope it does!

personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
bugs are ok, it makes the patches more anticipated, and of course, with out this kind of feedback sofware houses wouldn't always reveal the issues before software is released.

Tekflow said:
I started yesterday working with my new i-mate Jasjar, and, already, I am lost in so many bugs and bad issues.
1- ActiveSync 4 does not support backup/restore of the device. I know this is a "known" issue, but it is a real bad one!
2- Some programs cannot be installed at all, like SPB PocketPlus. On another hand, all task switchers (and program closers) make problems, and end up by soft resetting the device.
3- A big problem: I cannot uninstall any of the programs I installed, whether on the main memory or the storage card, whether by using ActiveSync (from the desktop), or Remove Programs (in Settings) or any third party software, like SKTools!
4- Synchronizing through ActiveSync is not always straight forward. Sometimes the device is not recognized, or, when recognized, synchronize cannot start, or, when it does start, it never ends.
Did any of you experience any of these problems?
Any suggestions, or we have to wait for a ROM upgrade ?
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dude all of these are software (activesync and windows 5 related) none are related to jasjar...the jasjar is the most stable imate device EVER
yes there are issues between the new active sync and windows and firewall and the antivirus that you run but these are Microsofts faults not jasjars...
to answer your questions
1) this is a bummer.. i really wish they had given the option of backing up device..anywyas thats why you have ppc softwares that do backup..the one working on wm5 is sunnysoft backup..
2)most of the softwares lag behind.. wm5 is out but not all software makers have updated their products..NOTE AGAIN THIS IS NOT JASJARS FAULT..its YOURs you can wait 6 more months by then spbsoftware should have a pocketplus that works on wm5
3)dude again old applications like sktools dont work on wm5... if you want you can use pocket mechanic and memmaid ..they work fine.. for task manager i use dinarsoft handy sweitcher..not only its an excellent application but it works on wm5 aswelll...
4)you have your firewall and antivirus software and to blame for this...not jasjar..for me i had to FORMAT my laptop and install activesync before i turned on firewall and installed an antivirus program...only then did active sync work..and its flawless now.. oen word my personal experience trendmicro2002 doesnt work with AS however 2005 version of pcillin works with its personal firewall set to off...
hope i cleared up a few misconceptions for you
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Well,
1) That is annoying. I hadn't noticed that, but I'm sure it'll be addressed in future...
2) As zohaer21 says, that's purely because we have the latest, greatest bleeding edge technology, and the software developers have yet to catch up. (In the meantime, HandySwitcher is working perfectly on my device, no bugs, no crashes, just what it's meant to do!)
3) Have you tried installing anything from a .cab file to see if you still have a problem uninstalling? I'd guess ActiveSync is probably your problem...
4) Can't really help there...I'd suggest removing Activesync completely from your PC and installing it again from scratch. Personally I'm not using the bundled version of ActiveSync (4.1?) because I had an old 4.0.??? already but I don't think I've heard of anyone else with that issue yet so I'd assume it's a problem with your PC installation?

Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?

mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
personally i wouldnt expect software that worked fine on windows 3.1 to work just as fine on xp.
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no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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True, but MS changed WM5 significantly from WM2003, many more changes than Windows 2000 -> Windows XP. The biggest changes were (1) persistent storage and new memory handling and (2) WM5's compatibility with MS Smartphone apps. I am not surprised a good number of apps aren't working.
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.

Carnivor said:
no, but you'd expect software that worked on windows 2000 to work on XP. Why compare something with an 11 year gap to something with a 2 year gap?
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It does not depend on that gap but on what they did durring that gap. If you do not change structural things, backwards compatibility can last a long time.
Actually the gap between WM2003SE and WM5 is quite large for some software developers. Notably some applications that synchronise databases (TimeTTRacker, Commontime mNotes) have to be rewritten from the ground up, even though we are only talking about a 1 year gap. Microsoft did change some crucial things, even if it does not show at first glance.

sorry, my post came across a bit bolshy. It wasn't intended.
I meant that developers would hope that they wouldn't have to re-write their apps every few years. I like the changes, because it adds more structure and makes it more of a uniform platform, but we've got to hope that they don't change these very often.
It would help if MS supplied the emulators for WM5 free of charge. (I'm yet to find any)

No worries
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for PPC
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...F2-F524-4EC5-9155-717CBE5D25ED&displaylang=en
WM 5.0 SDK including emulator for Smartphone
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...CB-738A-4B97-8910-5CD29AB5F8D9&displaylang=en

SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.

hey mat1t dont worry about it,
just dont get put deisel in a petrol car, my analogy of the issues

louisk said:
SPB Pocket Plus version 3 works just fine on an i-Mate JasJar. Older versions of Pocket Plus will not work on WM5 devices of any kind, so upgrade to Version 3 and you can install it on your jasJar. I'm running it on mine.
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Correct!
It does work under WM5.0 Just make sure you are on version 3
If you are on Version 3 and still refuses to install, copy the CAB file over the device and execute/install from there.

DaleReeck said:
mat1t said:
Carnivor said:
By the way, SPB's PocketPlus looks like it works with WM5 because they have screen shots on their web site of it running on a Windows Mobile 5 OS. But it may just not be compatible with the JasJar yet.
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hi
it works but it makes it really slow (inlcuding the start up if you use the quick launch menu whatever)..i guess you can say its not wm5 optimized as yet
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SPB Pocket plus does install and work. I had to do a hard reset after I initially used my Jasjar and everything worked right. Like email accounts etc. What I would like to see is a program like gb tweak that keeps the gprs allways alive. But so for there is nothing out there. NO problems with my JasJar at all.
Mike

@Tekflow
Since you got a Jasjar, plz can you upload for us the Arabizer package from the Extended_Rom ?
Click Here! This is how they managed to copy it!
Thank you.

I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers

Daimaou said:
I have the file for you but cannot upload it on the server...
Please send me a PM and I will tell you where to donwload them.
Cheers
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Pm Sent

Just replied, and if someone can tell me why I cannot UL files on the server it would help me
Cheers

You have to use username:xdaupload password:xda to be able to upload
ftp://xdaupload:[email protected]

T-Mobile MDA Compact V WM6.5 available for UK

Maybe someone has already posted this, but the T-Mobile MDA Compact V update to Windows Mobile 6.5 is available on the UK website:
http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=SOFTWAREDOWNLOADS&tab=1
Let me know how you get on, and then I may try it myself!

Thanks for the update! Been checking almost every day, but forgot today...

I sent mine off for repairs a few weeks back and it came back with 6.5 on it. Dumped the ROM and posted it on here in the Topaz ROMS section.
http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=581070

BTW it's way better than the 6.1 stock rom but not as good IMO as the cooked rom I'm using (Dutty's HG1)http://http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579076

Yes it pretty much still sucks. Better Home Screen please T-Mobile? Maybe throw some Sense UI type widgets in there??

A list of pros and cons (specific to this phone) would be useful. I read of one con: the standard WiFi connection has gone. Has anyone found improvements in Bluetooth connectivity/functionality?

Does anyone know if it has CoPilot 7 preinstalled (like the T-mobile 6.1 ROM)?
My wife had a real problem getting CoPilot working when she got the Compact V. The 18 month freebie ran out after 1 month and, in the end, T-mobile just sent her an unlimited license key.
Because she had this much hassle to get CP7 working, I've not wanted to put another ROM on for her, which would mean she loses it. [I'm not sure whether everything she'll need to reinstall CP7 is on the storage card (which she can then use her license key with) or whether there are key files that are only present in the T-mo ROM.]
Anyone any ideas?

Thanks Mike. Been checking every flippin day for this.

mpathan said:
Thanks Mike. Been checking every flippin day for this.
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If you use Firefox, install the 'Update Scanner' add-on. This monitors web pages for changes. It is also good for snapping up returned theatre tickets!

eepyaich said:
Does anyone know if it has CoPilot 7 preinstalled (like the T-mobile 6.1 ROM)?
My wife had a real problem getting CoPilot working when she got the Compact V. The 18 month freebie ran out after 1 month and, in the end, T-mobile just sent her an unlimited license key.
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I've just rung 150 with the same question and had no sensible reply back [it did include the usual 'nothing to do with us' comment, even though T-Mob are who 'sold' us all Co-Pilot so it is very much to do with them]. I have been promised a call back in 20 minutes...

eepyaich said:
Does anyone know if it has CoPilot 7 preinstalled (like the T-mobile 6.1 ROM)? Anyone any ideas?
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I have an idea that CoPilot is associated with the SDcard. I upgraded my SD-card from the standard 2GB to 8GB. I copied CoPilot across, but it would not work. I had to first unregister it from the old SDcard and reregister on the new SDcard.

Mike Austin said:
I have an idea that CoPilot is associated with the SDcard. I upgraded my SD-card from the standard 2GB to 8GB. I copied CoPilot across, but it would not work. I had to first unregister it from the old SDcard and reregister on the new SDcard.
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I did just copy the files over to a 16gb card and it worked. This was before I had the correct license installed. But then that is just a text file isn't it, so can be readily copied around between cards. The programme itself was pre-installed on the handset. What we were not given was a retail sd card version of the programme - the card didn't have the 2577 folder that a retail version would have included, so we are not in a position to reinstall.

Yes this does have CoPilot 7 preinstalled on it. The main program is built into the ROM. You will also need to keep the SD Card files as they are still necessary.
*BEFORE* you upgrade, you first have to deactivate your CoPilot key in the CoPilot 7 Licensing screen. This will give you a deactivation code.
You then go to the ALK deactivation website on your computer (just do a search) and enter the product key and new code.
Then you can flash the 6.5 ROM and reactivate your CoPilot 18-month license.
Forget to do this and you'll have to deal with ALK directly and get them to deactivate it after the fact.

Thanks very much for confirming this. Now of course my wife is asking what else is actually better about the 6.5 ROM. Although I jumped at the chance to upgrade my TP2 when the new ROM came out, I must admit I'm struggling a bit to tell her what the killer features of the new ROM may be!
- Marketplace, well that's available in 6.1 now anyway.
- Slightly more touch friendly, but nothing too groundbreaking.
- Weather wallpaper - not sure if this is even in the T-Mobile ROM as they managed to mangle the TouchFlo clock in the stock 6.1 ROM.
- ???
Anyone have any thoughts on what might persuade my "if it ain't broke, don't fiddle with it" wife to upgrade?

phkrh said:
What we were not given was a retail sd card version of the programme - the card didn't have the 2577 folder that a retail version would have included, so we are not in a position to reinstall.
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FWIW - I seem to recall that after a hard reset, the first boot seemed to take a long time and I got the impression this was because CoPilot was installing itself. I also found a Copilot*.cab file (8Mb or so in size) in the \Windows directory, so I wonder whether this is basically the same as would be present in the 2577 folder.
Of course, I haven't actually tried using this to install on a clean ROM...
Agree that one does, of course, need the SD card as this has all the map data, etc.

Just wanted to say that I was unable to deactivate my copy of CoPilot 7 Live on my Compact V, the option just wasn't there on the licensing page. I went ahead and upgraded my rom anyway and am now unable to use CoPilot, so for anyone else wanting to upgrade, if you can't deactivate then CoPilot will not work when you upgrade.
Hopefully ALK will sort this for me.

I had this problem after resetting my Compact V (6.1, not tried 6.5 yet). I still had the original product key/licence code in my IE url history. After relaunching this page I selected the 'free trial' option and it worked!

I have upgraded the OS, but the previous product key that gave me full European cover didn't work. I reinstalled Copilot using the cab file - as metioned above - and that allowed me to start the registration process again, as when I first got the phone. This opened up Internet Explorer, and offered a 18-month evaluation for £0 but at the end of the process it is only UK/IE
Anyone got it back up to full EU?
ps I too didn't have any deactivate options originally, though I do now...

New query - On the web I see lots of screen grabs and videos of Diamond 2s with 6.5 and home screens featuring animated weather, more colourful icons along the scroll bar, etc. Have T-Mobile provided an older version of HTC Sense in this ROM [2.1 instead of 2.5]?

Yes it is older. Not sure which Sense UI is used, I got rid of T-Mobile 6.5 once I installed it (hated it personally) and went the Cooked way....

Microsoft Office Mobile 2010?

Hi All
Anyone know where you can find the Microsoft Office Mobile 2010 Beta for download?
It says it is available but cannot find download link anywhere..

kjt57 said:
Hi All
Anyone know where you can find the Microsoft Office Mobile 2010 Beta for download?
It says it is available but cannot find download link anywhere..
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It's available on the Marketplace. Just do a search on the word "office" and it finds it. (Did for me anyway!)

does it worth it the 2010 Office? Is there big improvements?

tfouto said:
does it worth it the 2010 Office? Is there big improvements?
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As far as I've read on other sites, no. People are slating it for being exactly the same as previous versions. You'd be better checking the microsoft site to see what improvements (if any) are in there.

i've got it installed and it is pretty much the same as the old version, though i'd say scrolling through excel files is easier now but it all still looks the same, apart from the new icons. The only new addition is SharePoint workspace which i haven't really used

ok thanks, i think i will wait for the 2011... or the upgrade of windows m7...

OneNote Mobile was supposed to have been improved in Office Mobile 2010, but the Beta is exactly the same as the 2007 version. Maybe the improvements will appear in the final version.

Does anyone know if 2010 will allow you to edit powerpoint documents? I'd find that really useful.

I have installed the Office Mobile 2010 but when I restart my phone, it crash the services.exe so no choice but to revert back to the old Office Mobile.
Anyone got the same problem also?

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It's available on the Marketplace. Just do a search on the word "office" and it finds it. (Did for me anyway!)
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I dont normally look at marketplace, I thought it would only download to main memory. I want to put it on storage card.

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I dont normally look at marketplace, I thought it would only download to main memory. I want to put it on storage card.
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As far as I understand that's exactly what it does, although apparently when your main memory is full you can choose whether to remove old apps or install to storage card. Why you can't choose in the first place is beyond me.

That's "What's new" according to MS:
http://www.microsoft.com/Office/2010/en/mobile/default.aspx
As I see it the major inovations are Sharepoint, Outlook and copy/paste across apps.

Office 2010 is practically the same thing as far as I can see. On a mobile phone the main thing that office should do best is document viewing on the go. its not too good for that and unfortunately the iphone is better for viewing. The furthest zoom isn't far enough. The zoom levels are quite far apart and it's not fast or fluid. After that, it should have a function to edit a document. Quite a weak effort imho.

It has threaded view of all emails (not just Exchange) ... similar to sms feature ...
http://www.wmexperts.com/latest-version-outlook-features-threaded-email-messages

I think most of the main updates are around email and will only work with Exchange 2010.

steviewonders said:
Does anyone know if 2010 will allow you to edit powerpoint documents? I'd find that really useful.
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Yes - I tested this and it worked quite well... You select the relevant text box and then you can edit the text in a simple text editor window... It also worked very well on a fairly complex PPTX file (9MB) with lots of text animations.

Office 2010 beta questions...

If I get a new HD2 and install the Office 2010 beta, what happens to the version that is installed on the phone by default?
I assume also that the beta expires (I seem to remember hearing that it will expire in May) so what happens then? The beta users are left with nothing, or will Microsoft have the GM version released by then (not holding my breath given their track-record on released dates.)
Thanks.

You could install the old version back. If you search, you will find the cab file. And you can install it on the storage card.

If you uninstall the 2010 Beta, the normal office will be back!

Anyone know where I can get the cab for office 2010 mobile?

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Anyone know where I can get the cab for office 2010 mobile?
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You can download it from the Windows Marketplace.

When does it expire?

omneity said:
You can download it from the Windows Marketplace.
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Seen it there buy it will only install to main memory, i want to put it on memory card. No longer available direct from Microsoft.

Is there a way to install the supplied rom version of office to the storage card? Im guessing this would free up a decent amount of space?

G-sensor
Does this version support G-sensor or do i have to create/edit some regkeys?

G-sensor is part of your hardware......and some programs use it indeed.....but Office 2010 don't think so......

Problem with pocket excel on my HD2

Hi,
all of a sudden my HD2 has a severe problem with pocket Excel (V6.1). If I click on a xls file it takes 1,5 minutes to open the file list of all xls files and another 1.5 minutes to open the file. All the time the wheel is spinning. And closing is showing the same issue. I haven't done any installations the last days... Has anybody any idea? Word and powerpoint seem fine, also every other application I have used the last days.
I use the standard t-mobile ROM, no cooked ROM so far.
Help is appreciated, I need xls pretty often. Has anybody other applications in use to work with xls files, the app is not the best for HD2 anyway.
Regards Hase

I use PlanMaker, part of SoftMaker Office.The current version isn't very finger-friendly and will not open .xlsx files, but a new version should arrive soon. There's a trial version.
I think your problem is because Pocket Excel is having to scan a lot of files into it's open file dialogue. It can happen with large storage cards packed with data. There were alternative file 'explorers' for earlier decided, such as the one in SPB Pocket Plus but I can't say whether it works with WM6.5. Low memory can slow matters too.

I used to had this problem too. Don't know from were or what i came...
I couldn't solve it until hard reset.
My files are stored in main memory not on SD card.
Because I need excel really often I can tell you how scary I always get when I install any new software...

on the note of excell, does anyone know how to see images on excell?

gillan said:
I used to had this problem too. Don't know from were or what i came...
I couldn't solve it until hard reset.
My files are stored in main memory not on SD card.
Because I need excel really often I can tell you how scary I always get when I install any new software...
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Caution when trying something new is sensible. It's best to make a backup before you install anything new. I use Sprite and SPB Backup is popular in these forums.
I've used SoftMaker Office for years and haven't had any major problems with it, and I've tested some of the Betas. I'd install it to a Storage Card as it's quite a size. Installing is slightly odd. You need to connect via ActiveSync or Windows Mobile Device Centre and then run the installer.

gillan said:
I used to had this problem too. Don't know from were or what i came...
I couldn't solve it until hard reset.
My files are stored in main memory not on SD card.
Because I need excel really often I can tell you how scary I always get when I install any new software...
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Thanks for replying!
I think I will change either to SoftMaker rsp. PlanMaker (much more functionality than excel, could be more finger friendly- mainly for scrolling) or Documents to go (smaler and faster and cheaper, less functions, same finger-friendly issues).
After your hard reset: Did the problem come back? Did you install a backup without recreating the issue? Was this the latest backup or one from "before the issue"
When I have some spare time I will try to reinstall either pxl 2007 oder pxl 2010 (I think there are some Betas around)

...oh sh*t guys...
Now I've spoken about the problem... ...AND? Here it is...
Not always, but sometimes... I'm close to another hard reset...
@hase01
No, after hard reset everything ran fine...
...until someday... don't know when... means after which software installation... I think after Advanced Home Tab installation.. ..'cause this was my last install.
Softmaker? Year, I hardly wait for version 2010 for WM. Hope this will be released. Because Firefox gave up until WinPhone 7 is out. The only aspect for softmaker to release Planmaker anyways could be the fact that WM6 ist wide spreaded in business world. And WinPhone 7 seems to be for fun world...
Now Planmaker is a pain in the a** for quick finger taping. I've tried it out. Yes many good functions be nothing for my fingers on touch screen...
DTGo? I had problems with sync on PC. Lost formats. Not only colors,but column and row heights and widths and so on. And it's also not finger friendly.
Finally MS Office 2010 for WM could be a solution...
Backup?
Now I didn't backed it up. I never use backup to "install" an operating system new. Had too much trouble also on PC. I use Sktools backup. I do back up a good install for cases of memory or sd card crashes.

gillan said:
Now I've spoken about the problem... ...AND? Here it is...
Not always, but sometimes... I'm close to another hard reset...
@hase01
No, after hard reset everything ran fine...
...until someday... don't know when... means after which software installation... I think after Advanced Home Tab installation.. ..'cause this was my last install.
Softmaker? Year, I hardly wait for version 2010 for WM. Hope this will be released. Because Firefox gave up until WinPhone 7 is out. The only aspect for softmaker to release Planmaker anyways could be the fact that WM6 ist wide spreaded in business world. And WinPhone 7 seems to be for fun world...
Now Planmaker is a pain in the a** for quick finger taping. I've tried it out. Yes many good functions be nothing for my fingers on touch screen...
DTGo? I had problems with sync on PC. Lost formats. Not only colors,but column and row heights and widths and so on. And it's also not finger friendly.
Finally MS Office 2010 for WM could be a solution...
Backup?
Now I didn't backed it up. I never use backup to "install" an operating system new. Had too much trouble also on PC. I use Sktools backup. I do back up a good install for cases of memory or sd card crashes.
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Any news from your side? Today I upgraded to office for WM 2010. No real change on th pxl issue, it's a bit faster now but still slow. Same for notes application (.pwi files). Word and ppt is fine, also for 2010. Same with OneNotemobile.