Too much noise from the 8MP camera! - EVO 4G General

Anybody else notice this, the 8MP camera is noise as hell and in some cases (for me) distort the pic or shoots it blurry. Why is that? My 5MP on my HD2 is not noise at all. Is the Incredible camera noise as well (since im sure they are the same).

More megapixels doesn't equal higher image quality, I think this is what you're forgetting. It's just from HTC, they do process the hell out of the images taken from the camera and it's not enhanced by Kodak or Carl Zeiss. If it did have efforts from them I would be very disappointed. I really want to see how good the 12 megapixel camera on the Nokia N8 looks. Maybe we can have a benchmark.... it's still a phone afterall.

Post a pic with the noise you are talking about. What ISO setting are you using? AUTO?
Also what kind of lighting are you under?
This is a phone camera after all. The MP is just marketing.

how to import picture from EVO into the PC the pics are saved into the Phone not into SD
advice please

why don't you just email it to yourself?

rutter9 said:
why don't you just email it to yourself?
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I cannot email 200 Pics to myself

Raadius said:
Anybody else notice this, the 8MP camera is noise as hell and in some cases (for me) distort the pic or shoots it blurry. Why is that?
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It depends on your ISO settings. Your previous phone might not have had the issue because the EVO can go all the way up to 1250 ISO, while most other phones cannot go above 800. Its good to have options.
I would suggest to turn off auto ISO. If its dark, change your ISO to a high setting. If your in a lot of light, lower your ISO.
Even though 800-1250 ISO might be noisy, it can take sharper low light photos.

I doubt that the image sensor for this phone is not physically bigger than the 5mp one in the Hero. To fit 8 million pixels into the same physical space that 5 million pixels inhabit on the hero means that each pixel has to be smaller. Smaller things have less surface area and thus are less sensitive to light. To counteract this loss of light sensitivity they have to amplify the light that they receive and this causes more grain. Again, this is all assuming that the sensors are physically the same size. Most compact cameras have used the same size chip physically for years but adding pixels year after year. Eventually you get diminishing returns in quality because of the extra grain. This is why compact cameras don't have 30 mega pixels now, they reached the max where things just get worse if they go higher.

Set iso to 100
Amazing

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3.0 MP Camera? I have my doubts

Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
Clearly u have mistaken abt the relationship between MP and picture quality.
Higher MP does not necessarily mean better images taken.
If u compare a logitech quickcam IM's photo to that of the microsoft 2MP one. u will realise that althought the IM only supports VGA but
picture quality is much better......
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
keithwwalker said:
Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
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Did you really expect super great pictures on the data centric device? Sure SE Phones do a better job of this, but what else can they do?
If you want a high quality camera or anything else techy, always buy a dedicated device for the job. Simple.
Personally speaking I find the camera quality more than acceptable for a PPC/Phone, as a matter of fact I would go as far to say that it is the best in class out of all PPC Phones. Just MHO though.
mackaby007 said:
Personally speaking I find the camera quality more than acceptable for a PPC/Phone, as a matter of fact I would go as far to say that it is the best in class out of all PPC Phones.
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I've got the same impression about the cam,
at least compared to my old HTC Magician
Camera
The quality of the camera is probably the only reason why I have not let the X7501 fully replace my N95 as a phone!
thetruth1983 said:
The quality of the camera is probably the only reason why I have not let the X7501 fully replace my N95 as a phone!
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lmao, scnr
mojo2000 said:
lmao, scnr
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I've got an N95 and its camera isn't much better in my opinion, though it copes with moving subjects slightly better and video is VASTLY superior. I prefer B&W shots on the Ameo though. The flash on the Ameo is much brighter too - I still don't understand why HTC don't provide an automated flash function though - very annoying!
Sorry if I gave the impression that I was expecting a first rate camera with the 7501.
I purchased this for the following reasons, ranking in importance:
PDA
Phone
GPS
Media Player
Camera
With that said, there is another component to a good photo beside: Skill, Lens quality.
That is the software that puts all the image together.
My old Sony 2.0MP had a Carl Zeiss lens and the end product was still crap compared to the Canon's of the day. The internal software was the let down. So too the HTC.
keithwwalker said:
Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
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Calavaro said:
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
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Dude, when was the last time you really cleaned?
another big factor of picture quality is the sensor size...
most people down know this but the bigger teh sensor the better the picture quality...
that is why a dslr with a big sensor though it may have a 3 MP pixel size will alwasy be better than a point and shoot thats 8 MP
this gets into photography .. but basicly craming more pixels into a same sized sensor will seldom yield better results ... just maybe allow you to blow up the picture a bit more thats it...
having said that i think the camera on the athena is excellent compared to other phones of the nature
I disagree with the fact that len quality is the most important factor.... Len is very important but tt is when you r using something with a gd sensor.... the image processor and sensor.... b it cmos or ccd will
b the one that makes the most difference when it comes to image quality.......
Calavaro said:
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
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I disagree with the fact that len quality is the most important factor.... Len is very important but tt is when you r using something with a gd sensor.... the image processor and sensor.... b it cmos or ccd will
b the one that makes the most difference when it comes to image quality.......
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sensor is imp ... but like i said its sensor size...
and being how most cell phones are small... you cant fit a big sensor in it... so image quality willbe sub par always...
you made me laugh out loud with that comment....you're right!!
for gods sake calavaro if you dont want to dust, just blow that dust away.......sneeze or something!!
of course you wanted it there for effect!?!?
in keeping w/ the thread though, i have a trion w/ a 2 mp and it is the best i've had in all my pda/phones...how does the advantage compare to that camera? anyone??
dan
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you made me laugh out loud with that comment....you're right!!
for gods sake calavaro if you dont want to dust, just blow that dust away.......sneeze or something!!
of course you wanted it there for effect!?!?
in keeping w/ the thread though, i have a trion w/ a 2 mp and it is the best i've had in all my pda/phones...how does the advantage compare to that camera? anyone??
dan
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Can't remember if the Trion is the same as the Hermes?! If it is, I had a Hermes and loved the camera...for a PPC, but I rate the Athena camera slightly ahead in every way.
i do find the athena camera superior to every other camera phone i have seen...
i especially like the focus... it definately makes the picture quite al ot sharper
any other camera with a fixed focal length produces far inferior results...
the reason is because it is fixed at infinity ... so it doesnt have to focus necessarily ...
basicly becaused of a fixed focal length at infinity you get a much softer picture...
and it is a common known fact among photographers the infinity focal length produces sub par results ...
for example they dont use the infinity focal length to take landscape pictures... it really depends per lens but they use a dif formula to calculate the best length...
the long and the short a variable focal lens will top a fixed focal length always...
in short if you cant focus ur lens like most pda phones athenas is better...
Haha. I do dust. I live in a 3rd world country with massive traffic in the center of a big-ass city. I even have maids helping out. That's the best that can be done on a day to day basis. So how about, you know, focus on the issue at hand?
No matter how you look at it, a camera on a phone will never be as good as even the simplest point-and-shoot camera. Yes, quality has improved, but it's still way behind.
So what's up with those red lines at the top left corner? about half the pictures I take has this "effect". Seems to happen mostly in high light conditions.
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I've got an N95 and its camera isn't much better in my opinion, though it copes with moving subjects slightly better and video is VASTLY superior. I prefer B&W shots on the Ameo though. The flash on the Ameo is much brighter too - I still don't understand why HTC don't provide an automated flash function though - very annoying!
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The N95 indeed has a poor quality STILL capture, however the VIDEO capability is amazing.
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Haha. I do dust. I live in a 3rd world country with massive traffic in the center of a big-ass city. I even have maids helping out. That's the best that can be done on a day to day basis. So how about, you know, focus on the issue at hand?
No matter how you look at it, a camera on a phone will never be as good as even the simplest point-and-shoot camera. Yes, quality has improved, but it's still way behind.
So what's up with those red lines at the top left corner? about half the pictures I take has this "effect". Seems to happen mostly in high light conditions.
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This is becaues of teh sensor size i mentioned before ..
its just not possible unless you want to carry a huge phone... (thickness)
and though the athena is big its really not that thick...
i really don't get it. most of the comments posted praise the Athena camera. Personally i think the camera is pretty good and sharp and the fact it can produce a 3mp photo is excellent.. BUT.. after using it for 2 months.. it is only great for outdoor and scenery shots (or if your subject does not move too much). in a NORMAL (and i say normal as in if you are in doors and the lighting condition is considered very good) indoor situation, if your subject just moves a little.. the whole picture becomes blur.. try this.. take a shot outdoor while u shake ur camera.. (result.. decent picture)... go indoor and move your camera.. (result.. sucks)..
i for one bought the phone to also take pictures of my kid especially when we go out shopping.. but the camera feature simply cannot make it..
question: when indoors.. the camera is like perpetually in night mode (i mean everything is like in slow motion.. jerky..) weird?!?!? even if i am using my old xda ii, it does not do this.. why oh why?
i do understand what most of u guys are saying about a weak sensor.. but i for one is a disappointed customer.. a phone with such a powerful cpu yet the picture and video quality is terrible.. sigh...

Camera tips!

Hey everyone!
So i've used the Desire HD's camera for a bit, and I find it's got potential. I used to have a HD2...and remember there was a registry edit fix and also settings in the camera app that were published here on XDA to improve picture quality...well i've found out that pictures are a lot clearer and sharper when these settings are applied on the Desire HD:
Go into the Camera app...
Press the menu button on your desire hd...
Turn OFF auto-focus
in the Image adjustments sub-menu, turn sharpness all the way to 2...
Take pictures, and as a good example of comparison take a before and after picture.
In the after pic, tap on what you want in focus. The overall quality of the picture will be a lot clearer! There is also less noise and the object will be in focus, and pepper and grain effect is largely eliminated! Try it out and report back
Elemental_Fire
Update 1 (00:09-10/12/2010):
Thanks to the knowledge and sharing of fellow XDA members, I have determined that what seems to impact/affect images the most is the sharpness settings. Contrary to my settings, you can also go into Image adjustments in the camera app and turn off the sharpness setting fully. This is done by turning the sharpness circle dial all the way to -2. It seems that when set on default, the sharpness algorithm is ineffective at determining the level of sharpness that should be used. As a result, images are reproduced with unwanted image effects such as distinct grainyness, noise and also seemingly out-of-focus/blury pictures! So you can use either -2 for smooth pictures that are good quality, or +2 for sharper pictures that are good quality! At the end of the day, it depends on what you as the photographer prefer Haha i'm making this sound like the Desire HD is a professional camera...it's certainly more than suitable for quick snaps that won't comprise on good memorable photos in 8MP
Update 2 (00:51- 10/12/2010)
Uploaded sample pictures!
will give this a try in the morning!
Is that +2 I take it not -2? I'll check this out in morning
Sent from my Desire HD
Yep, plus 2
yup the pictures are much better!!
i just hated all tht noise and grainyness!
Thanks a lot!!!
I didnt really notice the difference, I think im just horrid at taking photos haha
they do look slightly better i think!
I haven't tried this yet myself but its nice that the hd remembers these settings after a power cycle - I expected all settings to revert to default.
That does not help any here.
I think the compression is just screwed up very badly, or we don't have anything like a 8MP sensor in our phones.
You can see that very easily if you photograph or film some intricate pattern like in snow, frost, test patterns (printed on paper) or such. It just smears and blurs the hell out of these photographs and no settings in the user interface will help against that.
Now, a sensor actually resolving 8 Megapixels, on the other hand, should be capable of resolving to about four 1920x1080 computer screens worth of distinct pixels. Unfortunately when I view the photographs on the screen, in actuality I still those see smears and other artifacts even when I zoom the image to about ~25% of the screen's. So... ~0.5 MP or less resolution in reality? Beh, fail.
Meh, it is an 8mp sensor...I just assume HTC don't implement and make use of the best available lens, sensor size and compression rate....but the camera isn't bad at all..i'll upload some pictures i've taken recently, they're quite defined! Certainly more clearer, sharper and yet containing less noise than my old HD2 gosh colours on that were washed out
sharpness plus 2 will increase the digital treatment which seems to remove more noise and add more sharpness, maybe a little better than the default semi sharpness which a mess
however the camera is indeed 8MP it is ridiculous to state otherwise!! turn off sharpness all the way to -2 and all this digital artifacts will be gone as well as fake sharpness, you will be able to get full 8MP camera quality without HTC mending with them, you can improve photos further by using the auto fix or high contrast from within the gallery
of course noise will be introduced depending on the available light and of course with sharpness -2 it will be a little soft since it receiving zero digital treatment, take it to any photo editing application and you can boost the sharpness properly
really i don't get all the random posts camera quality, i'm getting amazing results even managed to amaze my iphone 4 colleagues, the only part where HTC really failed is the default noise reduction/sharpness algorithm (Sharpness 0) its a real mess thankfully it can be turned off
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
after using it a few times, im still sticking to my D700
I`m quite happy with the point and click results but for serious pics i use my ancient Canon EOS 500.
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
hamdir said:
ofcourse it will never beat a DSLR! only the satio and the nokia n8 come close but those sucks in their own ways
its not a perfect camera, but damn better than everyone make it sound, and pretty amazing for a phone, everyone complaining including some reviewers didn't even bother to experiment with the basic settings
the best words i found for this camera are in the Engadget review particluary this line ( Noise-masking blur is distributed very well, in our opinion, works especially well if can content yourself with downsizing the images from the max 8 megapixel size), gsmarena kept complaining about the sharpness and never mentioned it can be turned off
oh and it wipes the floor with the iphone 4 camera
the only two issues in this phone are the lack of ips in the screen and the size for those who can't handle it and no the battery is fine
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agreed 100% with your post. Although the lack of ips is no issue imo.
thank you, ips is only an issue when use the phone flat on your desk or sharing with others, its a slight issue when old desire slcd/amoled, iphone 3Gs and ipads have much better view angles
but yea its no biggie, its my first HTC device where i found no need to flash custom stuff
Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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Makes very little difference for me. I have to wonder about anyone that says this is a great camera - what are you comparing it against and have you ever used a Nokia for instance with Carl Zeiss optics?
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yes nokia n900 and the DHD is better
i will post my results soon in full resolution
Here is a pic i took of my cat earlier today. Open in new tab to see the full resolution.
hamdir said:
i should make a detailed thread about the camera and be done with it
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Please do!
I for one am interested to finetune my camera app!

Purplish hue on the camera.

I've seen varying degrees of the purple hue on people's cameras (the 5mp one, not the VGA), including my own. It seems worse when I'm inside. Is this a problem with the camera itself, or a software problem?
the atrix camera is really bad. all reviewers have shown the same quality in their pictures. i am reminded of the nokia e71, they promised they would fix it in software but they couldn't.
my guess is that it's the camera sensor itself, and it may be reduced (but not completely eliminated) with a software patch.
it would be a good idea to post this in the motorola forums. probably many people have done so already
I'm definitely going to be posting in the Moto forums. This is unacceptable. They had the power to have on the best smartphones on the market, but are going to start losing if they keep this up.
Any progress Here
Has anyone seen any movement or heard any news with regard to this issue? The camera is lame with this color issue. I was with a buddy and his Iphone camera beat the pants of this thing. I kind of felt jaded and jealous.
I had the same concerns but after some serious experimentaion I learned a few things...
1: The default camera app is 75% of the problem. The pupleish hue comes from a chronicaly bad auto white balance setting. This can easily be fixed in photoshop. The other solution is to download an app like camera360 which gives you control over white balance. This is not a hardware issue but is just too bad of an implementation to excuse. Camera360 has a free trial which will let you play with white balance so you can see what I mean.
2: the remaining 25% is that this camera is noisy in all situations. Even moderate daylight shots as a bit grainy. Don't expect the camera to get quite to the level of iPhone 4 which uses a higher quality backlit sensor. I have both phones and have compared. Noise issues are greater on the atrix no question. This isn't fixable except in post processing.
That being said. I carry the atrix on a daily basis and don't miss the iPhone 4 camera that much. Basically when you use camera360 or one of the several other very good camera apps you can fix most problems. Make sure you have the maximum lighting the shooting situation allows.
Other than that photoshop helps. Even my high end cameras (lumix LX3 and canon 5d) get the photoshop treatment. it offers white balance correction and serviceable noise reduction.
Picnova - you the man
That makes a huge difference. thanks for the recommendation
seriously this is a phone camera with two little led's for 'flash' and lights; clearly the cameras white balance settings are off; it appears to me that they are easily fooled (yet very sensitive to) differences in color temperatures, especially around MVL/fluorescent lamps. that is normally where your hue issue comes up. try it under some halogen lights and it does just fine. i think the AWB programming could benefit from a tweak; actually it is very sensitive to changes in color temperature, it just exaggerates the difference versus what your brain processes from your eyes; we automatically make a 'white' object appear 'white' in our minds; with any sensor/camera it is all software and it is not as dynamic and not intelligent. this indicates that the hardware is capable, but the software is lacking. for me the video mode is more useful really; i am loathe to drag around an video SLR or one of my HD cameras on random nights out etc. i would LOVE a hack/mod/app that let one manipulate the AWB settings, focus settings, and ISO settings manually for video. i dont use this camera other than for random stuff like friends or goings out without a real camera, which is very VERY rare. i own a media studio; i almost ALWAYS have at least a MagicLantern hacked T2i kit or XF305 in my trunk.
the sensor itself is tiny and not very good in the noise reduction department. if your lighting is good, the pictures will be good. 99% of people test and complain about low light situations when technically the real problem is they do not understand how to expose properly for the environment they are in. this is where camera360 helps, but could be improved with shutter speed and direct iso control. yes the iphone 4 has a backlit sensor, but still suffers from CMOS jello badly too. for what it is its fine.
day to day i work in a studio shooting a web series or tele adverts; i have 10 halogen fresnels and spots, diffused and direct lighting, aimed on set at any given time, and i guarantee you 99% of people that visit take HORRID shots by NOT knowing how or what they are doing, or how the camera works. a lot of this has to do with metering, which again the phone/camera system does not easily allow access to and i have found no apps to work with this.
but as a person intimately involved in the photo/video field, i must say for the price and the capabilities the camera is ok. actually i would like to see an android phone with an optical 1.2x zoom (for lens and sensor size this would be best for minimal distortion and maximum sharpness)/digital 2x (still technically at 720P resolution that way), 1080P backlit CMOS 1/16 single chip sensor with a glass 28mm-35mm equivalent perspective lens which is NOT coverage area (with a damn lens cover!), and image processing by nikon canon etc with some manual controls over basic functions; replace the useless point and shoot!
i would HAPPILY pay $1000 USD for such a device; double the thickness, double the weight, whatever. just give me the same image quality of a circa 2004 nikon D50 or canon digital rebel; the technology exists. the market exists. the software exists and now the hardware is MORE than capable of processing it properly. i have no point and shoot cameras; i have 7 digital SLR's (5 with HD video recording) and 4 1/3" 3CCD as well as 2 1/3" CMOS HD camcorders that i am used to full manual controls. I would leave the SLRs at home if there was any decent alternative in a mobile device.
emoose said:
I had the same concerns but after some serious experimentaion I learned a few things...
1: The default camera app is 75% of the problem. The pupleish hue comes from a chronicaly bad auto white balance setting. This can easily be fixed in photoshop. The other solution is to download an app like camera360 which gives you control over white balance. This is not a hardware issue but is just too bad of an implementation to excuse. Camera360 has a free trial which will let you play with white balance so you can see what I mean.
2: the remaining 25% is that this camera is noisy in all situations. Even moderate daylight shots as a bit grainy. Don't expect the camera to get quite to the level of iPhone 4 which uses a higher quality backlit sensor. I have both phones and have compared. Noise issues are greater on the atrix no question. This isn't fixable except in post processing.
That being said. I carry the atrix on a daily basis and don't miss the iPhone 4 camera that much. Basically when you use camera360 or one of the several other very good camera apps you can fix most problems. Make sure you have the maximum lighting the shooting situation allows.
Other than that photoshop helps. Even my high end cameras (lumix LX3 and canon 5d) get the photoshop treatment. it offers white balance correction and serviceable noise reduction.
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Great info regarding Camera360...totally makes a world of difference (so far - just compared a couple of pics indoors between default camera app and camera 360).
What other options does the paid version add?

Screen Comparison - HTC One / HTC One X

I had a possibility to compare HTC One and HTC One X side by side. I couldnt believe my eyes - 8MP camera of HTC One X couldnt even match up, HTC One photo is soo crisp and cristal clear and ..ohh, ahh. ISO rating goes up to 1600 but when comparing at ISO 100, photo is absolutely few times brighter than HOX.
Now the screens. I really like my HOXs screen. But than I compared it at full brightness with HTC One.
this happened:
https://twitter.com/miHah1/status/306137264126316544
/jelous, can you run only "GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD offscreen or onscreen(1080)" on it ?
That One X screen looks really dark...Not a fair test
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That One X screen looks really dark...Not a fair test
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He states both at full brightness
Dude please can you do the same under sunlight?
The OneX was just good so I hope the One is better
Unless you've disabled the 'Reduce screen brightness' in your Powersaver options then regardless of how high you set your screen brightness - It'll never be at maximum.
There is no way that's maximum brightness, it would hurt your eyes in such dark conditions.
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Unless you've disabled the 'Reduce screen brightness' in your Powersaver options then regardless of how high you set your screen brightness - It'll never be at maximum.
There is no way that's maximum brightness, it would hurt your eyes in such dark conditions.
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I don't use power saving for anything but cpu downclock, I forgot to mention that.
both phones are at the highest brightness, the thing is that HTC One is so much brighter that camera automaticaly lowers exposure of picture and makes HTC One X so dark.
HTC One has absolutely one of the best screens out there! No doubt!
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I had a possibility to compare HTC One and HTC One X side by side. I couldnt believe my eyes - 8MP camera of HTC One X couldnt even match up, HTC One photo is soo crisp and cristal clear and ..ohh, ahh. ISO rating goes up to 1600 but when comparing at ISO 100, photo is absolutely few times brighter than HOX.
Now the screens. I really like my HOXs screen. But than I compared it at full brightness with HTC One.
this happened:
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So the pictures you took with the HTC One looked better then the pictures taken with the One X? I'm more interested in that. I want to see the screen in person really badly, but I already know its going to look better then every other screen out there. :laugh:
ErikWithNoC said:
So the pictures you took with the HTC One looked better then the pictures taken with the One X? I'm more interested in that. I want to see the screen in person really badly, but I already know its going to look better then every other screen out there. :laugh:
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The reason why pictures taken with HTC One looks better than with HTC One X:
1. HTC One has optical stabilization, which means even if you move just a little bit, image will be still so it will not be blurry and have more details. The difference between HTC One and HTC One X is similar as in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8k7KnMUe8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
2. HTC One lets more light in so it can produce more detailed picture. "the more the light = higher shutter speed = less blur = more detail". At same conditions HTC One X lets less light in so it needs slower shutter speed and creates blurry pictures.
3. HTC One has 4MP widescreen, and HTC One X only has 6MP if you are shooting widescreen so HTC One X actually has only 20% more MP than HTC One which has nothing to do with image quality. It only matters when you crop the image but again, if you crop image from One X that is just a bit bigger but has less light, slower shutter speed and almost always some blur the results are ..lets say "not useful for cropping".
4. HTC One has ISO from 100-1600 and HTC One X only has 100-800. Again that means HTC One lets more light in and image is more detailed and is not blurred that much. But high ISO means more noise on the other hand. Comparing ISO 800 between the phones = more noise on HTC One X and also less light - double win for HTC One.
So what are actually MP good for? Cropping. Period.
when you hit certain number of MP, it has no effect if you still raise them up. It is like a gas in a car..car needs some gas to run, if you give it more gas it will be heavier and consequently less efficient and slower but it will still run as if it would have "just enough" gas. But when you have a faster/sports car it will require more gas - like the "big" cameras with bigger sensor size can have more MP.
Have a nice day
miHah said:
The reason why pictures taken with HTC One looks better than with HTC One X:
1. HTC One has optical stabilization, which means even if you move just a little bit, image will be still so it will not be blurry and have more details. The difference between HTC One and HTC One X is similar as in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q8k7KnMUe8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
2. HTC One lets more light in so it can produce more detailed picture. "the more the light = higher shutter speed = less blur = more detail". At same conditions HTC One X lets less light in so it needs slower shutter speed and creates blurry pictures.
3. HTC One has 4MP widescreen, and HTC One X only has 6MP if you are shooting widescreen so HTC One X actually has only 20% more MP than HTC One which has nothing to do with image quality. It only matters when you crop the image but again, if you crop image from One X that is just a bit bigger but has less light, slower shutter speed and almost always some blur the results are ..lets say "not useful for cropping".
4. HTC One has ISO from 100-1600 and HTC One X only has 100-800. Again that means HTC One lets more light in and image is more detailed and is not blurred that much. But high ISO means more noise on the other hand. Comparing ISO 800 between the phones = more noise on HTC One X and also less light - double win for HTC One.
So what are actually MP good for? Cropping. Period.
when you hit certain number of MP, it has no effect if you still raise them up. It is like a gas in a car..car needs some gas to run, if you give it more gas it will be heavier and consequently less efficient and slower but it will still run as if it would have "just enough" gas. But when you have a faster/sports car it will require more gas - like the "big" cameras with bigger sensor size can have more MP.
Have a nice day
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Although I've already read up plenty on the camera in the HTC One, I appreciate your well thought out reply! I'm just glad to hear that the One is producing better photos then the One X (which I thought were fantastic).
miHah said:
I had a possibility to compare HTC One and HTC One X side by side. I couldnt believe my eyes - 8MP camera of HTC One X couldnt even match up, HTC One photo is soo crisp and cristal clear and ..ohh, ahh. ISO rating goes up to 1600 but when comparing at ISO 100, photo is absolutely few times brighter than HOX.
Now the screens. I really like my HOXs screen. But than I compared it at full brightness with HTC One.
this happened:
https://twitter.com/miHah1/status/306137264126316544
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Sorry but your power saving was "Enabled", please test again without power saving.
Pls htc give htc one more color saturation than the droid dna...
Out of curiosity - are you able to see more detail / sharpness in the 1080 screen rather than the 720 one (ignoring brightness and colour levels)?
Ok but who is interested in 16:9 photo shooting...4:3 is still the most common!!! so when you want 4:3 from HTC One you will get only about 3Mpx photos and thats awful...
Mihah: please could you still give both phones to minimum brighness and show us the black level quality on new SLCD3 screen?
I think this whole ultrapixel thing is to reset the marketing of cameras in smartphones,instead of evolving to 13,16,24 mp they just go back to 4mp,next year 5 or 8mp (which will stay for another 3 years),so they are just buying time.
The results of ultrapixel are nice but not much better than a ''classic'' 8mp smartphone,the low light pics are brighter but still very noisy.
If the SGS4 will get a 13mp with the same low light results,it will be a huge slap for HTC
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Sorry but your power saving was "Enabled", please test again without power saving.
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Please read up - my power saving is for CPU only and does not effect brightness or anything
Which phone had more colour saturation???
Thanks
vegetaleb said:
If the SGS4 will get a 13mp with the same low light results,it will be a huge slap for HTC
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That's impossible.
It's not physically impossible, clearly; but it's commercially and financially impossible.
The reason the One's low-light performance is good is mostly *because* the megapixel count is lower. Most smartphones have a camera sensor the same size - about a third of an inch across. If you cram three times as many pixels into that, each pixel has only a third of the area, and therefore (other things being equal) receives only a third as much light. To get the same low-light performance as the One, you therefore need a sensor three times as big (and an upgraded lens as well).
That can be done - the Nokia Pureview 808 has a sensor like that - but the problem is that it's expensive. To add a sensor like that would require Samsung either to massively increase the selling price of the phone, or to severely cut back on the phone's other features to keep the price down; and either one would be commercial suicide.
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Pretty obvious the screens are on different brightness levels and the OP is drunk.

Grainy photos - Back Facing Camera

My S4 takes really terrible pictures indoors. It takes decent pictures outdoors but man is it terrible indoors. It does compensate for the light which is great, but it plaster the entire screen with a white mesh film that makes it look grainy and just plain terrible.
Is this a feature of the S4? Or a defect? Has anyone been able to fiddle with the settings to find the most optimal picture for indoors or in general?
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My S4 takes really terrible pictures indoors. It takes decent pictures outdoors but man is it terrible indoors. It does compensate for the light which is great, but it plaster the entire screen with a white mesh film that makes it look grainy and just plain terrible.
Is this a feature of the S4? Or a defect? Has anyone been able to fiddle with the settings to find the most optimal picture for indoors or in general?
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The Galaxy S4's F2.2 lens is not the fastest in the business (both the HTC One and Nokia Lumia 920/925) feature F2.0 lenses) but, in combination with relatively slow shutter speeds, it's fast enough to allow for shooting at low ISO settings even when taking pictures indoors.
In low light the S4 will use shutter speeds as slow as 1/15 sec which, given an equivalent focal length of 31mm, can lead to some camera shake. In low light it's therefore advisable to, whenever possible, take two or three shots of a scene to increase the chances of capturing at least one sharp image. You can also activate digital image stabilization which simply increases the minimum shutter speed to 1/30 sec, but this is very slow for moving subjects. In those situations your best option is to manually select higher ISO settings, but given that neither ISO or shutter speed are displayed on the live view screen, this can feel a little like flying in the dark. In this respect the Samsung is no different to its main competitors though.
Once the camera does climb up the ISO ladder, image grain and noise reduction show their ugly faces pretty quickly. That said, while at a pixel level the blurring and softening effects of noise reduction become visible pretty quickly, chroma noise is very well under control and the S4 images are usable at smaller viewing sizes up to the maximum ISO setting. The S4's high pixel count also means that at equalized viewing sizes image noise is less prominent than on some lower resolution competitors. Overall the Galaxy S4's low light performance is decent in Auto mode but when photographing people or other moving subjects it can be useful to interfere manually for best results.
Good response. Very informative.
Would you say the Nexus 5 has a better camera?
Sepharite said:
Good response. Very informative.
Would you say the Nexus 5 has a better camera?
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no

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