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Donut/1.6 on HTC Hero

Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers

nadeemhasnaat said:
Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
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Good question, I would love to see that as well... BUT I suppose it is not possible without the kernel sourse, unless Sprint's Hero comes out with 1.6 and then its ROM is ported to our European Heros. That's up to the devs!

Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.

chaoscentral said:
Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
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That was what I thought. But Joshua @ Engadget told me that their Sprint Hero review unit only has Android 1.5 on it. Well, Android 1.6 added support for CDMA does not necessarily mean that one cannot write a driver for Android 1.5 to support CDMA.
But anyway, I do think that it is almost likely that HTC will release a 1.6 update for the Hero in a not too distance future.

The Google experience G1s and Magics are purely that - stock Cupcake ROMs. The Hero presents a slight challenge as HTC put a lot of love into the ROM, with the addition of SenseUI. Hopefully, it won't take that long to cook a Donut ROM with SenseUI, but just making the transition of the great innovations from HTC for the Hero will be the stumbling block for a Donut-based ROM.

HTC Response to my Donut question.
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.

J-Zeus said:
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
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Man thats so frustrating innit. I am sure if we ask google, they wont comment either coz our hero is not with "GOOGLE EXPERIENCE" ..... what a load of cr*p
well i actually snooped around and heard a couple of ppl say that it should not be a difficult task for HTC to induce Rosie into 1.6, infact one of them even said " should be a peice of cake" so i am a hopless optimist and hopefully it'll be sent as an OTA upgrade or " HOTFIX " by HTC soon...
I'll call HTC too and see if i can get any more info out

update
Just got off the phone with a customer support officer from HTC UK. And she said that while they dont have the exact date on when HTC will issue and update bundled with Donut, It is under works and will be sooner rather than later..... now the waiting games begin

correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement

dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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well the only notable improvement might be of the speed and performance, although google didn't shout about it so i m thinking it'll be minimalistic ... however detailed battery usage, universal search and test to speech are a few things i wouldn't mind having....
But actually for me its just about getting the latest updates on the Android flagship device...

dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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One benefit will be being able to run any future apps that require 1.6 (use 1.6-specific API features). We already have apps that run only on 1.5 or higher...

system-wide search feature would be nice...

I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this, but I signed up to point it out:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/tattoo/specification.html
http://developer.htc.com/htc_tattoo_developer.html
The Tattoo will be shipping with Android 1.6, and it uses the Sense UI. That should mean that it isn't too far off for the Hero.

Looks promising! and the Tatoo is Due to launch orange UK this month

VPN and Global search are the two main features I am most excited about in the Donut

It's supposed to be faster also.

Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?

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Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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yes it does

http://drop.io/g1i9pj0 hero is getting donut....you might also be getting a snapdragon hero.

I installed donut on my girlfriends g1 yesterday and it seemed much faster than cupcake.

acer liquid - android 1.6 to 2.0

i am new to android. ive never had an android phone before.
will it be possible to upgrade android 1.6 to 2.0 eclair, in the same way its possible to install new roms on windows smartphones?
i ask this coz acer doesnt plan on making the liquid upgradeable to 2.0 any time soon, and i dont quite understand why.
if android is free and open source, whats the big deal about upgrading it? does 2.0 have specific hardware requirements that 1.6 phones don't have, in the same way wm 6.5 needed a windows button? is that the reason??
id love to get an acer liquid but the one thing thats stopping me is this whole android 2.0 issue.
im sure theres someone here knowledgeable on the subject- please enlighten me.

Just because Acer themselves don't plan on making Android 2.0 for the Liquid (this is news to me, btw), doesn't mean there won't BE an upgrade. You just might not see it on this forum, seeing as it's for HTC devices primarily.
BTW, WM6.5 does not require a Windows button. That's a very old requirement that Microsoft dropped ages ago.

If you look around the net you'll see that 2.0 or 2.1 is planned to be released in 2010.
For example, have a read at http://phandroid.com/2009/12/11/acer-liquid-a1-video-demo-getting-android-2-0-in-2010/

yes i saw that - but its not an official source. It just says 'it will start shipping with 2.0'
i also saw this on the net -
http://www.acerliquid.net/official-acer-response-to-android-2-0-support-and-other-questions
'The phone ships with Android 1.6, will it be possible to upgrade to Android 2
This is not planned at present.'
So who do i believe?
If the phone was going to have the android 2 upgrade, you'd have thought acer would make this information known asap, so people would buy it knowing it could be upgraded - like htc did with the touch diamond2.
the only reason you'd hide it is if you had other models in the pipeline with android 2.0. i've heard that for android 2.0 you'd need new drivers and things which is a big effort.
thoughts?

soon enough, this site will not be for HTC devices primarily
I'm afraid to inform folks, but i'm sure that soon enough this site is going to find itself the primary source for all android phone support and modifications regardless if they're HTC or not. This is the best place to get info/support/roms/etc and the natural consequence of that is evolving into supporting more than just htc phones. I suppose I would just say, why not add an acer liquid section? Seems rather arbitrary at this point to only focus on HTC; made sense some years ago, but not now.
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Just because Acer themselves don't plan on making Android 2.0 for the Liquid (this is news to me, btw), doesn't mean there won't BE an upgrade. You just might not see it on this forum, seeing as it's for HTC devices primarily.
BTW, WM6.5 does not require a Windows button. That's a very old requirement that Microsoft dropped ages ago.
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audiobastard said:
I'm afraid to inform folks, but i'm sure that soon enough this site is going to find itself the primary source for all android phone support and modifications regardless if they're HTC or not. This is the best place to get info/support/roms/etc and the natural consequence of that is evolving into supporting more than just htc phones. I suppose I would just say, why not add an acer liquid section? Seems rather arbitrary at this point to only focus on HTC; made sense some years ago, but not now.
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Sorry to disappoint you but that won´t happen
This has been discussed many many times before, and the answer still the same:
This is an HTC devices forum only
That is the decision of the owners of XDA

learn to accept facts unless forum community decided to ban all non htc post

orb3000 said:
Sorry to disappoint you but that won´t happen
This has been discussed many many times before, and the answer still the same:
This is an HTC devices forum only
That is the decision of the owners of XDA
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A retarded decision.

there are many places out there
I like htc interface so i'll stick with htc and xda

I'm sure that by the time the Liquid is available, there will be a 2.0 upgrade and if not, I bet someone from xda or ppcgeeks will find a way to make an unofficial one.

what do you mean?? its available since december 8!! i have one since dec 16!!

I mean when it's available more worldwide. Hasn't been released yet in America and a few other places as far as I know of.

jrodizzkool01 said:
I mean when it's available more worldwide. Hasn't been released yet in America and a few other places as far as I know of.
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Hope it comes out soon in America.
The Acer Liquid still looks very promising (e.g. faster than the Nexus One despite being underclocked).
The only sore point seems to be the lacking support from Acer.

i live in Colombia... just have to buy it via ebay

i'm just sayin
I'm just saying that people are gonna post questions here about android regardless of what the mods or site owners decide. This is the fallback resource for roms, mods, hacks, and general info. Its just the natural consequence of being awesome.

audiobastard said:
I'm just saying that people are gonna post questions here about android regardless of what the mods or site owners decide. This is the fallback resource for roms, mods, hacks, and general info. Its just the natural consequence of being awesome.
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What IS the best forum/website for ROMs, hacks, etc. for the liquid and other non HTC android phones?

I tried to tell you guys
What did i just say like 3 posts above. You cannot argue with my logic that's why you're discussing adding neotouch and liquid to the roster up here. I suppose I just see in 3d while others in 2d.

I have no idea how this thread got so off topic... anyway, now that ther is an Acer Liquid section on XDA, here is some good news:
A user on modaco forums got a response from Acer Taiwan about android 2.1. Apparently Acer liquid users should see Android 2.1 released as an update for their phones in March!
Yay! (and here's hoping it actually happens!! )

When it comes to Acer I doubt anything will actually happen.
Acers support is 100% pure ****.

mr.r9 said:
When it comes to Acer I doubt anything will actually happen.
Acers support is 100% pure ****.
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they were right with the kernel release... "end of january"... still delivered something not very good

Official Android 2.x Sense UI for HTC Magic 32A

Anyone knows if 32a is getting 2.x? When will it be released......
updates:
With reference to This Thread
The HTC Magic will be upgradable to 2.1 by mid-year.
http://twitter.com/RogersHelps/status/10927130422
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Yes, by May 2010 we should all have it on our Magic (if HTC keeps up to its promises).

rawr. may seems so far now...

Per this link, it will be June or July by the time it makes it to the public. Maybe it'll leak before that time...
http://androidforums.com/rogers/52738-we-met-rogers-good.html

Got this off HTC Singapore Facebook Wall.
Dear XXX, the Hero Upgrade would be in May 2010. For Magic and Tattoo users, there would not be any upgrade. Please call our service hotline at 1800 238 7788 if you have queries. Cheers
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Hi XXX, as confirmed by our product manager, there will not be any andriod 2.1 update for Magic and Tattoo. So sorry if any of the teams had give you a wrong idea. My sincere apologies.
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What kind of service is this?
And do they know the difference between hero and magic is the camera..

He may have meant the magic 32b, which is not getting an update.

From what I know, Singapore's Magic is 32A... Oh well, hope he's referring to 32Bs...

Can anybody tell what version of sense is this?
http://www.noverca.it/shop-aggiorna-htc-magic-con-sense

This is what has been said: (coming straight from HTC, not from any official channels though, this has been posted on phandroid forums from a HTC rep. This agreement was started between HTC and Rogers)
By mid-year, HTC will issue an upgrade to Android 2.1, including the highly acclaimed HTC Sense experience for the HTC Magic.
However, due to certain limitations on the HTC Dream, the software path for the HTC Dream will be terminated after the next Android 1.5 update. While we regret not being able to offer the same updates to both devices, by bringing this upgrade to the HTC Magic, we are delivering the best solution possible given the situation at hand.
We also want to emphasize that the situation with HTC Dream and HTC Magic devices is true across markets, and is not limited to Canada. While “Google Experience” devices built on the same platform (like the T-Mobile G1) do have different upgrade paths – this is due to the use of a stock Android build, rather than a custom build used on the HTC Dream and HTC Magic.
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I wouldn't trust too much on facebook pages or HTC support channels.

dione1200 said:
Can anybody tell what version of sense is this?
http://www.noverca.it/shop-aggiorna-htc-magic-con-sense
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There's only one version of Sense for HTC Magic. Sense is just the framework, not the telephone firmware. As of now, officially, there's is only Android 1.5 with HTC Sense. The Android 2.1 release will include an updated version of the Sense user interface.
The picture looks like the theme is modified for the network supplier.

fregor said:
There's only one version of Sense for HTC Magic. Sense is just the framework, not the telephone firmware. As of now, officially, there's is only Android 1.5 with HTC Sense. The Android 2.1 release will include an updated version of the Sense user interface.
The picture looks like the theme is modified for the network supplier.
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Yes, that's what I meant. I wonder if it's 1.5 or 2.1

dione1200 said:
Yes, that's what I meant. I wonder if it's 1.5 or 2.1
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Then it's probably 1.5 since 2.1 isn't released yet.

HTC Corportation Complain shared

Hello everyone. I'm here about the share something wich i do hope you all do something similer as i did. I'm very unhappy with HTC, and i really do hope to get HTC more respectfull for all its customers, and participants on turning this phone into a great smartphone.
Here have been the messages wich i've exchanged with HTC corporation and their replys on why doesnt HTC get an update on European firmware, and only on Rogers HTC.
ME: Hello. I just want to say i'm very disapointed with HTC. Rogers made up an update for HTC magic 2.1 android, and HTC isnt giving us one. Just wish to point out with me is a client wich you'll loose. I'm very sad with HTC, when you guys already replied to me that HTC magic wont have 2.1 android.
Best regards,
Jorge Pereira
HTC: Dear Mr. Pereira,
Thank you for contacting us,
We apologize for the inconvenience, however there is no information regarding the release of the 2.1 upgrade for the Rogers Magic on the HTC website.
Please note that any information that any information that do not come from the HTC website can only be regarded as rumors and speculation.
Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline.
Best Regards,
HTC Team
http://www.htc.com
ME: I'll be simple on the reply. Is from your official site:
HTC MAGIC (ROGERS) ÉCLAIR ROM UPDATE 3.54.631.3 | 09.08.2010
at: http://www.htc.com/ca/support/magic-rogers/downloads/
Already download it and tried to update. But was not possible giving id errror. So dont sent sand to my eyes, as i do not believe in you.
Everyone wich has a rooted phone, already flashed it. I want an official update as many HTC magic owners want.
Since there has been a very large lack of knowing where to find the official update, so that you might not say again its a rumour. http://www.htc.com/ca/support/h/magic-update The oficial update site from HTC. Very disapointed with HTC. Lying to its costumers. Never thought this would be a position HTC would have.
HTCear Mr. Pereira, Thank you for contacting us, We apologize for the earlier confusion, however, currently there is no plan to upgrade your phone to Android 2.1. The result of our analysis showed that an upgrade to your phone may impact the user experience and we ultimately decided that an upgrade was not recommended. Your phone will still receive support, and we thank you for your patience and understanding. Please note that you can contact us via support line . For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline. Best Regards, HTC Team http://www.htc.com
ME: Why is it not recomended since rogers have exacly same HTC magic with same board same specs? And if i tell you that i already seen a rooted phone with 2.1 android oficial with Rogers version of android 2.1 workign much better than my 1.5 android? If i tell you that i can get in that android the maximum speed of my internet conection, and iwht my phone i'm limited to a 1,5 Mbps? If i tell you that i decided to root my phone and tested and i get same great results as the other phone? The conclusion would be again, HTC is sending sand to its customers, and you'll be loosing one right here since you are not beeing honest. Experience with Android Rogers ROM is the REAL best experience i could ever have. I never had my internet lag again, i went to 6 Mbps speed at download (thats 4 times what i had before) . How is it even possible to not be recomended? HTC this info is beeing shared by everyone with HTC magics. I'm sure you are all receiving same emails as i am. I'm just speaking in a forum about this. XDA Forum, please do check at HTC Magic section it because i'm really sad you are working in a such unhonored manner. Thank you again for the replys. Best regards, Jorge Pereira
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I hope by this i can get a petition where everyone complains and HTC really releases an european edition. Would be great to get a European Radio edition and other things. Anyways Thank you everyone wich tries with me

you should really try to get something proofread or just use you native language when filing formal complaints.
on the other hand, yes it does suck that you havent gotten an update, but they never said it would be updated. you should look into a custom rom.

but the thing is. ROgers has an official update great for android. Wich has HTC hand. What more proof do we need?

jgcaap said:
but the thing is. ROgers has an official update great for android. Wich has HTC hand. What more proof do we need?
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He's referring to grammar, spelling and punctuation. Companies are less likely to take you seriously when you have sentences such as:
"Just wish to point out with me is a client wich you'll loose."
What?
"Everyone wich has a rooted phone..."
I'm thinking maybe the word that would be more appropriate.
"Is from your official site:"
How about "This is from your official site"
Look, when you are writing something important you want it to sound important otherwise they are less likely to understand it as such. This is unless your about ten years and writing to Fisher-Price.

Kitkat 4.4 for Desire HD??

It looks like the HTC desire HD situation has been changed a little bit. They dont say that DHD wont receive any updates anymore:
Please wait while we find an agent to assist you...
You have been connected to Tara.
Tara: Hi Johan, thank you for contacting HTC Support. How may I help you today?
Johan 9711: will the HTC Desire HD receive a update to android 4.4 kitkat?
This android version is made for old phones and low-end phones.
Tara: One moment please.
Tara: The HTC deisre HD is upgradeable to version 2.3 (Gingerbread)
Johan 9711: i know, but will it ever be updated to 4.4?
Tara: Unfortunately I can't provide you with future information as I don't know anything of this yet.
And the dutch chat the same answer.
Kitkat 4.4 is designed for older phones like DHD and Low-end devices.

johan9711 said:
It looks like the HTC desire HD situation has been changed a little bit. They dont say that DHD wont receive any updates anymore:
Please wait while we find an agent to assist you...
You have been connected to Tara.
Tara: Hi Johan, thank you for contacting HTC Support. How may I help you today?
Johan 9711: will the HTC Desire HD receive a update to android 4.4 kitkat?
This android version is made for old phones and low-end phones.
Tara: One moment please.
Tara: The HTC deisre HD is upgradeable to version 2.3 (Gingerbread)
Johan 9711: i know, but will it ever be updated to 4.4?
Tara: Unfortunately I can't provide you with future information as I don't know anything of this yet.
And the dutch chat the same answer.
Kitkat 4.4 is designed for older phones like DHD and Low-end devices.
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Please don't start again this polemics. Is useless and I had enough. As an explanation to you HTC will never build again sense rom for the older devices and HTC is not Google to update Nexus devices with pure android.

Not to mention that even Google isn't updating the Galaxy Nexus, a phone newer than the HTC Desire HD. HTC is not going to update the DHD to 4.4.

It would be nice if they did though.
From the past

If your phone has not been updated in the past, it will not be updated now.
Yes, the 512MB comment is good but old devices are missing so much such as ARM instructions, drivers, companies that have went out of the mobile game (ti).....etc so many things.

It's safe to say, we're not getting 4.4 officially. Unofficially though is a different matter
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Randomblame said that he is already working on it.

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Randomblame said that he is already working on it.
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That and other developers is your only chance to see 4.4 on this device.
Sent from my HTC

Thread closed
This is a pointless duscussion and as you can easily see will only lead to trouble. Nothing you can say here will cahnge anything in HTC's decision. So leave it to the devs whether some see fit to do it...